Psych NP Salary

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It’s not odd if you know where this is coming from. It’s a common business model in the “internet entrepreneur” world. You’ll see it often for dropshipping, copy writing, affiliate marketing, and other e-commerce. They’ll claim to be making six figures monthly and promise to teach you how to do the same. All you need to do is sign up for their online course, get access to their exclusive Facebook group for direct mentorship, and just sit and count your dollars. I’ve never signed up for these classes but I imagine it’s a bit of a Ponzi scheme: you go out and make your own course to sell to others. This guy, I’m about 99% sure, is a graduate of the EliteNP course. He follows the model to a tee. If I was a betting man, I’d bet a lot of money that he’s banking on making more money from YouTube ad revenue, “mentorship”, selling videos, and affiliate marketing than he is from his clinical “work.”
And that's a fantastic revenue strategy. I think Robert Kyosaki makes more money from franchising than he does from his purported real estate investments. I only wish I were creative enough to find my own passive income niche.
 
I've a serious question. Can I do online nursing school and PHMNP course all online on my weeks off as hospitalist? That way in 4 years I can be dual boarded in IM and Psych (nursing board). Outpatient psych private practice is making lot of $$$ these days. If I choose psych residency it's the same BS with getting LORs, match process, working long hrs for 50k, conference, research, presentation and ****. I will still be a doctor and can still be called a psychiatrist. I wish I can be shameless enough to do this to make mockery of this system.

Another advantage of PMHNP pathway for MD is the lifespan crap where I can treat mental health problems from birth to death without any BS child psych or geri psych fellowships
You've got to become a RN and some states require some experience as a RN before you can get a NP license at all or sort of an unrestricted license. Working as a RN absolutely sucks, but I believe you could definitely and very easily become a Psych NP within three years minimum. You may also not want to use the doctor things in applications, etc. It would be hard to overlook but a lot of academic nursing seems to despise physicians.
 
I am exploring the loophole in the system. Nursing board is far more forgiving than medical board. God forbid if you have one red flag in your license application the medical board will make your life miserable. Nursing board on the other hand seems very lenient; I know an NP who's license is revoked in CA and then moved to a neighboring state where he was accused of sexual harassment by his female patients which led to another state license (nursing) suspension. That guy is still practicing now in the same state and his license status is now active.
In my state this is not the case. The nursing board is exceedingly intrusive and over reaching. The medical board is more of an old boys club letting members go lengths without so much as a letter of warning, etc.
 
Will be able to advertise myself as: Sugar Splenda88 MD, specialized in psychiatry (even if I am an internist) so I can be in the psychiatrist 'gravy train'.
If you like diversifying you income stream then why not?
 
If you like diversifying you income stream then why not?
Not faulting you for taking advantage of "f up" system even if I believe your training as NP is [insert whatever here].

I am just amused at the medical system who is making it harder for physicians to practice medicine while everyone else with 500 hrs of shadowing can practice "at the top of their license."

Look at it that way: A physician with 2 years post grad training (10,000+ hrs) can't even get a license to 'hang a shingle' in Nevada while NPs are running around with hospital privilege in that state.
 
Not faulting you for taking advantage of "f up" system even if I believe your training as NP is [insert whatever here].

I am just amused at the medical system who is making it harder for physicians to practice medicine while everyone else with 500 hrs of shadowing can practice "at the top of their license."

Look at it that way: A physician with 2 years post grad training (10,000+ hrs) can't even get a license to 'hang a shingle' in Nevada while NPs are running around with hospital privilege in that state.
It's pretty ridiculous. If a physician is unsafe at 2.9 years of GME and four years of intensive medical school, why is a NP safe with zero GME and two years of online training?
 
It's pretty ridiculous. If a physician is unsafe at 2.9 years of GME and four years of intensive medical school, why is a NP safe with zero GME and two years of online training?
Studying for the board now is making me more frustrated with the system. I could have started making $$$ at the end of residency but I have to take 4-6 wks to study for that thing.

One of my friends married an FMG... The guy passed both step 1 and CK on 3rd attempts, but could not pass CS after 3 attempts. Had to give up trying because his step1 score was no longer valid. He told me NBME gives you a timeframe to complete all the steps (did not know that was a thing)

Fast forward:

The guy did nursing at a bogus nursing school; he just finished an online NP and I am not even sure he actually completed the minimum 500 hrs (probably found another NP who signed whatever paper that he needed)... He is already working as a NP in an independent state.

So if he was not 'smart' enough to practice medicine as a physician, why is it ok to practice medicine as a NP without supervision?

It is a [insert] system!
 
It's pretty ridiculous. If a physician is unsafe at 2.9 years of GME and four years of intensive medical school, why is a NP safe with zero GME and two years of online training?
Because "heart of a nurse, brain of a physician" beats mere brain of a physician, body of a cafeteria-fed resident.
 
It's pretty ridiculous. If a physician is unsafe at 2.9 years of GME and four years of intensive medical school, why is a NP safe with zero GME and two years of online training?
And this is why, like a parrot, I routinely post we must all be advocating an end to step/level three for licensure. Petitioning every state to grant full licenses at time of MD/DO graduation.

Second step, legislate limitations to insurance company contracting of different contracted rates per specialist. For instance I get X from company Green, and another specialist gets the non-behavioral health contract rates of 1.4X for the same codes. There are a few that simply do using a conversion factor straight across the board for all E&M codes. Also put stipulation that if the insurance company will panel and pay for services by an ARNP or PA, they will cover non board certified docs, and non residency completed docs.
 
some states require some experience as a RN before you can get a NP license at all or sort of an unrestricted license.
Which states will not license a NP graduate without prior nursing experience? I've never heard of this although it used to be customary for universities to require actual nursing experience until they saw the cash cow I guess.
 
The standards for NP admission, examination, and licensing are very sad. Personally I had 10 years of Paramedic and 6 years as a Trauma Nurse in a busy level 1 trauma center ER before I became an NP(which I still don't think is very much). I stayed within my comfort zone(ER and urgent care) and have done a load of continuing education post NP to broaden my knowledge/skills. I still understand my limits and I don't hesitate to consult with my attending physician whenever I am not sure on something.

There is definitely a problem with the huge influx of NPs, especially the ones with zero experience. I have encountered some people in my various clinical rotations who I feel will be very unprepared and dangerous.

That being said there are some great NPs out there who are really students of the game. Psych is a new love and I recognize my knowledge deficits and am eager to learn as much as I can. There are serious gaps in health care in certain areas that can be filled and great NPs can help fill these gaps. You cannot even get into a psychiatrist in the area where I plan on doing psychiatry.
 
Studying for the board now is making me more frustrated with the system. I could have started making $$$ at the end of residency but I have to take 4-6 wks to study for that thing.

One of my friends married an FMG... The guy passed both step 1 and CK on 3rd attempts, but could not pass CS after 3 attempts. Had to give up trying because his step1 score was no longer valid. He told me NBME gives you a timeframe to complete all the steps (did not know that was a thing)

Fast forward:

The guy did nursing at a bogus nursing school; he just finished an online NP and I am not even sure he actually completed the minimum 500 hrs (probably found another NP who signed whatever paper that he needed)... He is already working as a NP in an independent state.

So if he was not 'smart' enough to practice medicine as a physician, why is it ok to practice medicine as a NP without supervision?

It is a [insert] system!

Yup these scenarios expose exactly how bizarre this whole system has become.
 
Speaking as RN... 500 hours is what, 13 weeks of full time work?It takes me most of that to mold a new grad into someone I feel confident won't kill their patients when left unattended or page the night float for Colace at 0200. I can't imagine learning how to practice psychiatry in that timeframe, especially since a lot of them haven't set foot on a psych unit since their mental health clinical in undergrad.
 
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Not faulting you for taking advantage of "f up" system even if I believe your training as NP is [insert whatever here].

I am just amused at the medical system who is making it harder for physicians to practice medicine while everyone else with 500 hrs of shadowing can practice "at the top of their license."

Look at it that way: A physician with 2 years post grad training (10,000+ hrs) can't even get a license to 'hang a shingle' in Nevada while NPs are running around with hospital privilege in that state.
I really pity you guys. Your programming is terribly expensive, you're horribly micro managed, and most physicians have never had the opportunity to be anything other than a student and a doctor. There's nothing you guys do or carry enough expertise about to make me remotely want to follow your path. I was a great student too with a full university ride. Nursing came later. I was ten years older than most of the kids in RN training, and even then that seemed terribly drawn out and generally fruitless. For me, becoming a RN was somewhat of a haphazard decision. I incorrectly assumed their education is deeper than it is, LOL. The PMHNP part just made sense. It was either that or a MHA, and then I realized I would just be administering things similarly to what I wanted to escape. YMMV. Some people always wanted to be a doctor or a nurse. At this point, I'm looking to make yet another career leap... although I probably won't because it's too easy to set my conditions and revenue.
 
Studying for the board now is making me more frustrated with the system. I could have started making $$$ at the end of residency but I have to take 4-6 wks to study for that thing.

One of my friends married an FMG... The guy passed both step 1 and CK on 3rd attempts, but could not pass CS after 3 attempts. Had to give up trying because his step1 score was no longer valid. He told me NBME gives you a timeframe to complete all the steps (did not know that was a thing)

Fast forward:

The guy did nursing at a bogus nursing school; he just finished an online NP and I am not even sure he actually completed the minimum 500 hrs (probably found another NP who signed whatever paper that he needed)... He is already working as a NP in an independent state.

So if he was not 'smart' enough to practice medicine as a physician, why is it ok to practice medicine as a NP without supervision?

It is a [insert] system!
I also think we need to better vet everyone. I'm not sure your testing really yields a solid clinician, and we all know absolutely horrible FMGs who passed all the tests. I've always been under the impression that the worst healthcare errors, malpractice, and lowest patient satisfaction was to FMGs.

How many NPs do you hear of getting sued or killing patients? What is ideal training? Is it what your certifying agencies state, more, less?
 
Which states will not license a NP graduate without prior nursing experience? I've never heard of this although it used to be customary for universities to require actual nursing experience until they saw the cash cow I guess.
Sort of both. I wasn't clear. Sorry. Schools requiring experience and I think there's a smattering of states, mine, that allow you to become a collaborating or supervised NP then independent after x years of experience.
 
How many NPs do you hear of getting sued or killing patients? What is ideal training? Is it what your certifying agencies state, more, less?

I'd be certain the incidents of NPs getting sued and killing patients will go up if simply based on the large number entering the workforce without taking into consideration that many have no psychiatric nursing experience and attended an As Seen On TV University. It is a shame because there is a need for midlevels and nursing is discrediting its own profession with the current state of affairs.
 
I also think we need to better vet everyone. I'm not sure your testing really yields a solid clinician, and we all know absolutely horrible FMGs who passed all the tests. I've always been under the impression that the worst healthcare errors, malpractice, and lowest patient satisfaction was to FMGs.

How many NPs do you hear of getting sued or killing patients? What is ideal training? Is it what your certifying agencies state, more, less?

and your statement about FMGs is based on what exactly?

there’s multiple stories of NPs getting sued just on these forums alone. I suggest a quick google search.

I really pity you guys. Your programming is terribly expensive, you're horribly micro managed, and most physicians have never had the opportunity to be anything other than a student and a doctor. There's nothing you guys do or carry enough expertise about to make me remotely want to follow your path. I was a great student too with a full university ride. Nursing came later. I was ten years older than most of the kids in RN training, and even then that seemed terribly drawn out and generally fruitless. For me, becoming a RN was somewhat of a haphazard decision. I incorrectly assumed their education is deeper than it is, LOL. The PMHNP part just made sense. It was either that or a MHA, and then I realized I would just be administering things similarly to what I wanted to escape. YMMV. Some people always wanted to be a doctor or a nurse. At this point, I'm looking to make yet another career leap... although I probably won't because it's too easy to set my conditions and revenue.

cool story bro keep milkin the system for those dolla dolla bills ya’ll. Who cares about actually knowing **** right?
 
I also think we need to better vet everyone. I'm not sure your testing really yields a solid clinician, and we all know absolutely horrible FMGs who passed all the tests. I've always been under the impression that the worst healthcare errors, malpractice, and lowest patient satisfaction was to FMGs.

How many NPs do you hear of getting sued or killing patients? What is ideal training? Is it what your certifying agencies state, more, less?
That is offensive and there is no evidence of that. You cannot generalize based on national origin.
 
I'd be certain the incidents of NPs getting sued and killing patients will go up if simply based on the large number entering the workforce without taking into consideration that many have no psychiatric nursing experience and attended an As Seen On TV University. It is a shame because there is a need for midlevels and nursing is discrediting its own profession with the current state of affairs.
Yeah, I believe the entire profession is in crisis with regard to that matter.
 
That is offensive and there is no evidence of that. You cannot generalize based on national origin.
What national origin am I specifically referring to, and how do you make a living talking to people if you're this easily offended?
 
I've always been under the impression that the worst healthcare errors, malpractice, and lowest patient satisfaction was to FMGs.

I'm not surprised, it's because you never learned basic research skills. The literature is quite clear that patients of FMG's have significantly lower mortality rates that patients of US grads.
 
I also think we need to better vet everyone. I'm not sure your testing really yields a solid clinician, and we all know absolutely horrible FMGs who passed all the tests. I've always been under the impression that the worst healthcare errors, malpractice, and lowest patient satisfaction was to FMGs.

How many NPs do you hear of getting sued or killing patients? What is ideal training? Is it what your certifying agencies state, more, less?
Please take your xenophobia elsewhere
 
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