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serenade said:
What in particular makes no sense? X is a persons name. In my opinion anti-abortion physicians are a danger to their patients.
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how do you figure?

now, this source is pretty biased, but it did actually have numbers so :shrug:
http://afterabortion.org/2000/abortion-four-times-deadlier-than-childbirth/

Still not saying that I am a staunch pro-lifer. I personally have no desire to perform aboritons nor do I think I should be compelled to. I certainly don't think this choice will be a danger to my patients. that is reckless hyperbole.
 
serenade said:
What in particular makes no sense? X is a persons name. In my opinion anti-abortion physicians are a danger to their patients.
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Is this being posted because of that fiasco in Ireland?
 
SpecterGT260 said:
how do you figure?

now, this source is pretty biased, but it did actually have numbers so :shrug:
http://afterabortion.org/2000/abortion-four-times-deadlier-than-childbirth/

Still not saying that I am a staunch pro-lifer. I personally have no desire to perform aboritons nor do I think I should be compelled to. I certainly don't think this choice will be a danger to my patients. that is reckless hyperbole.
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I'm actually pretty interested in OB/GYN and I'll not be compelled by anyone to perform an abortion. I'll politely refuse if asked and let them go see serenade.
 
abolt18 said:
I'm actually pretty interested in OB/GYN and I'll not be compelled by anyone to perform an abortion. I'll politely refuse if asked and let them go see serenade.
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This is how I feel, minus the interest in OB/GYN (you'll find out sometime in year 2, believe me). But if I were ever in a field where I was approached for an abortion, this is the route I'd take.

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
 
SpecterGT260 said:
how do you figure?

now, this source is pretty biased, but it did actually have numbers so :shrug:
http://afterabortion.org/2000/abortion-four-times-deadlier-than-childbirth/

Still not saying that I am a staunch pro-lifer. I personally have no desire to perform aboritons nor do I think I should be compelled to. I certainly don't think this choice will be a danger to my patients. that is reckless hyperbole.
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Certain physicians will withhold and steer the patient away from abortion as an option. Similarly to pharmacists who refuse to provide contraception on the grounds that it is against their religious affiliation.
I personally would never want to preform an abortion either, mostly because I have very little interest in OB, but I would make it easy for my patients to find and be referred to physicians who would preform it.
 
abolt18 said:
I'm actually pretty interested in OB/GYN and I'll not be compelled by anyone to perform an abortion. I'll politely refuse if asked and let them go see serenade.
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That's perfectly reasonable, however if you withhold the option based on your moral ground or attempt to sway them away from doing it and tell them about the wonderful prospects of their child in foster care then that's where I see you doing damage.

Er... lets not derail the thread.
 
serenade said:
That's perfectly reasonable, however if you withhold the option based on your moral ground or attempt to sway them away from doing it and tell them about the wonderful prospects of their child in foster care then that's where I see you doing damage.

Er... lets not derail the thread.
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I can agree with this and see your side. Although I wouldnt perform an abortion, its not my job to sway a patient in a direction they dont want to go, at least in the situation of abortion.


On an unrelated but hilarious note, it seems like every thread on SDN, after a certain amount of time, always morphs into: abortion debate, religion debate, MD vs DO, AA debate, (insert controversial topic here) debate. Hahaha
 
serenade said:
Er... lets not derail the thread.
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lol

To be fair everything about this thread screams 'de-rail me!' (actually surprised Godwin's law hasn't been satisfied yet though... soon).

Opens so many opportunities to post something that will get your acceptance rescinded like poor person X.
 
serenade said:
Certain physicians will withhold and steer the patient away from abortion as an option. Similarly to pharmacists who refuse to provide contraception on the grounds that it is against their religious affiliation.
I personally would never want to preform an abortion either, mostly because I have very little interest in OB, but I would make it easy for my patients to find and be referred to physicians who would preform it.
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that's fine.... but this doesn't demonstrate harm 😕

That isnt a word to just be thrown out whenever a physician does something you don't like. It's as overused here as the race card. How is the patient harmed? Not getting what you want isnt harm.

That said, I think it is ridiculous for pharmacists to deny dispensing meds. It isnt like they are going in there to dig anything out. But that said, there are way more pharmacies than there are hospitals so if that were an issue Id go down the street 2 blocks to one of the 4 walmarts in town and try again.
 
wait.... there is another abortion thread going on.... how the hell did THIS one get turned to this topic?
 
SpecterGT260 said:
m/f?
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Not sure what that means...

serenade said:
That's perfectly reasonable, however if you withhold the option based on your moral ground or attempt to sway them away from doing it and tell them about the wonderful prospects of their child in foster care then that's where I see you doing damage.

Er... lets not derail the thread.
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Agreed, as a doctor that is not my role. People can do what they want, but I don't have to help them do it.

And as you said, the thread is derailed. I am curious what more people could say about this? It seems to have died off mostly because people didn't know what to talk about. I just want to keep it going (no matter the topic) in spite of DO fo Sho 👍
 
SpecterGT260 said:
that's fine.... but this doesn't demonstrate harm 😕

That isnt a word to just be thrown out whenever a physician does something you don't like. It's as overused here as the race card. How is the patient harmed? Not getting what you want isnt harm.

That said, I think it is ridiculous for pharmacists to deny dispensing meds. It isnt like they are going in there to dig anything out. But that said, there are way more pharmacies than there are hospitals so if that were an issue Id go down the street 2 blocks to one of the 4 walmarts in town and try again.
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Denying Tx on moral grounds: Ok
Denying Rx on moral grounds: No Ok

Interesting. Seems double edged?
 
Now lets say a patient needs to have an emergency abortion due to some life-threatening situation and the ONLY option is abortion. This is your patient who has fallen under your care and there is currently a zombie apocalypse underway. You cannot refer them out due to 1) emergency 2) mother's life 3) zombies knocking at the door.

Do you perform the abortion even though you are against it (pro-life)?

Duty to act vs maintaining your morals.

Go!
 
"another rusty shackleford!? "

I am Rusty Shackleford's attorney, Mr. Rusty Shackleford.
 
SpecterGT260 said:
are you a dude or a chick? :laugh: It is related both to your view on abortion and on your interest in ob/gyn.
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Haha gotcha. Dude, married w/ 2 month old child. Had an awesome OB and he sort of took me under his wing as I figured that was my only opportunity as a pre-med to get real exposure to the field (what women want a pre-med audience for their well woman checkup?) so he really talked to me a lot about the field. I got to deliver the baby (ok just the catching part) and was really impressed by it. I like the combination of clinic/surgery even though the call may be excessive. I'd prefer mostly OB. Our doc saw about 50 patients a day, 90% were OB visits.

Yes in a couple years I will likely change my mind every month, but as of now, the job seems awesome to me.
 
DrWily said:
Now lets say a patient needs to have an emergency abortion due to some life-threatening situation and the ONLY option is abortion. This is your patient who has fallen under your care and there is currently a zombie apocalypse underway. You cannot refer them out due to 1) emergency 2) mother's life 3) zombies knocking at the door.

Do you perform the abortion even though you are against it (pro-life)?

Duty to act vs maintaining your morals.

Go!
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Is the baby a zombie? I don't know if an undead abortion qualifies as murder considering the fetus is all ready dead?
 
abolt18 said:
Haha gotcha. Dude, married w/ 2 month old child. Had an awesome OB and he sort of took me under his wing as I figured that was my only opportunity as a pre-med to get real exposure to the field (what women want a pre-med audience for their well woman checkup?) so he really talked to me a lot about the field. I got to deliver the baby (ok just the catching part) and was really impressed by it. I like the combination of clinic/surgery even though the call may be excessive. I'd prefer mostly OB. Our doc saw about 50 patients a day, 90% were OB visits.

Yes in a couple years I will likely change my mind every month, but as of now, the job seems awesome to me.
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Gotcha. It is just unusual both for guys to like OB and for women to be opposed to abortion (relatively speaking), so wasnt sure which odds to bet against.
 
abolt18 said:
Good point! Or has the mother been bitten/scratched? Is she at risk of turning?
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Or what if the mother has turned but the fetus has not? Do you risk your brains to see the baby delivered to term? If the mother is undead she can't 'choose'. Her former body her former choice.
 
SpecterGT260 said:
Gotcha. It is just unusual both for guys to like OB and for women to be opposed to abortion (relatively speaking), so wasnt sure which odds to bet against.
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Always said "The ONE specialty I will never go into is OB." and the moment I got to see it more first-hand, I thought it was pretty incredible! Who knows if I'd feel this way delivering a baby that isn't mine haha😱
 
Balantidiumcoli said:
Or what if the mother has turned but the fetus has not? Do you risk your brains to see the baby delivered to term? If the mother is undead she can't 'choose'. Her former body her former choice.
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Well if the baby is already to term, you take it out right away! If not, I think you could just do like Michone on the walking dead. Cut the arms and jaw/teeth out so it can't hurt anyone/anything and let the baby finish growing!
 
abolt18 said:
Always said "The ONE specialty I will never go into is OB." and the moment I got to see it more first-hand, I thought it was pretty incredible! Who knows if I'd feel this way delivering a baby that isn't mine haha😱
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ive always said the same thing. Then again I like kids only after they are old enough to crawl around on their own and before they develop the ability to back talk :meanie:
 
abolt18 said:
Well if the baby is already to term, you take it out right away! If not, I think you could just do like Michone on the walking dead. Cut the arms and jaw/teeth out so it can't hurt anyone/anything and let the baby finish growing!
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:laugh:

You see that over there m'boy? That horrid abomination without limbs, split abdomen exposing her viscera, and left lower mandible removed who sounds like she's trying to hiss 'The Bare Necessities' with a shoe in her mouth? That's your mommy. 🙂

... Yeah I'm going to Hell for that one.
 
SpecterGT260 said:
ive always said the same thing. Then again I like kids only after they are old enough to crawl around on their own and before they develop the ability to back talk :meanie:
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Right? I never used to like the newborn stage, as it's pretty boring. Once it was MY baby in the newborn stage, I can sit and stare at her for hours. So that changed for me, but I totally agree with the back talking. I'm more than a little nervous about those days. Who knows, maybe one day my kid will say stupid things on the interwebz and get their med school acceptance rescinded...


too soon...?
 
Balantidiumcoli said:
Is the baby a zombie? I don't know if an undead abortion qualifies as murder considering the fetus is all ready dead?
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Mother is fine, no bites/scratches nothing, although distressed and totally losing it (typical "can't-hang-with-zombie-apocalypse" syndrome). Baby zombie status is unknown (how would you even know?) Mother is no good with any weapons, and has almost gotten you killed at least 2 times trying to save her. But she was a homemaker and can cook/laundry/etc.

Continue.
 
DrWily said:
Mother is fine, no bites/scratches nothing, although distressed and totally losing it (typical "can't-hang-with-zombie-apocalypse" syndrome). Baby zombie status is unknown (how would you even know?) Mother is no good with any weapons, and has almost gotten you killed at least 2 times trying to save her. But she was a homemaker and can cook/laundry/etc.

Continue.
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Roll for spot check?
 
DrWily said:
Mother is fine, no bites/scratches nothing, although distressed and totally losing it (typical "can't-hang-with-zombie-apocalypse" syndrome). Baby zombie status is unknown (how would you even know?) Mother is no good with any weapons, and has almost gotten you killed at least 2 times trying to save her. But she was a homemaker and can cook/laundry/etc.

Continue.
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How good of a cook?
 
racerwad said:
How good of a cook?
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Decent. Can make meals WHEN there is adequate food supply. However, food has been short lately, and canned goods are all you have eaten for the past week and a half. Hunting has produced few game meats (mostly raccoons, squirrels), but nothing as of late.
 
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TriagePreMed said:
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I'd rather talk about abortions actually. It seems classier than making a spectacle of someone's shortcomings.
 
mersi said:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=438829482847053&set=o.469112209768526&type=1&theater

from the underdog fb group. i think this is what did him in

yea so if anyone wants to know what really happened, just scroll through the sdn fb group. what a jackass
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TriagePreMed said:
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I'd rather that didn't get out. We know he screwed up, he knows he screwed up.
 
there is a bunch of stuff. if youre on fb just join the group and read it
 
DrWily said:
Decent. Can make meals WHEN there is adequate food supply. However, food has been short lately, and canned goods are all you have eaten for the past week and a half. Hunting has produced few game meats (mostly raccoons, squirrels), but nothing as of late.
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Hmmm, ok. What about the homemaking part?
 
serenade said:
What in particular makes no sense? X is a persons name. In my opinion anti-abortion physicians are a danger to their patients.
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'Twas kinda an odd juxtaposition with the flow of the thread, and I found the reasoning a little thin. You assume your moral conscience trumps someone else's. There are probably a zillion other tendentious premises underpinning your argument, but I just polished off a bowl of chili and would rather sit here and not think critically.
 
Balantidiumcoli said:
I'd rather talk about abortions actually. It seems classier than making a spectacle of someone's shortcomings.
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Agree 100%. The reality tv era is on full display here. Along with some entertaining discourse about this and that. Who knew chew baca styled his hair?
 
racerwad said:
Hmmm, ok. What about the homemaking part?
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Beats me. Cooking/Laundry etc. what else do homemakers do?

So are we still deciding whether to perform an emergency abortion or ...........?
 
DrWily said:
Beats me. Cooking/Laundry etc. what else do homemakers do?

So are we still deciding whether to perform an emergency abortion or ...........?
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Would the abortion make a zombie?
 
Balantidiumcoli said:
Would the abortion make a zombie?
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Assuming the fact that you are pro-life and are morally against abortion, this would be your first abortion if you choose to do it. Making a zombie out of the mother is up to you to not kill her. The fetus is not far enough along development to become a zombie if aborted. If you don't abort, the mother will die and become a zombie eventually.
 
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