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Hypothetical: I graduate med school as an HPSP student, metamorphosize into an O3 and start the residency that I matched into.

Suddenly there is a critical need for GM officers/battalion surgeons/flight surgeons. Can they pull me out of my residency to fill one of those roles? Reference to Army contract or handbook would be very helpful.
 

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Hypothetical: I graduate med school as an HPSP student, metamorphosize into an O3 and start the residency that I matched into.

Suddenly there is a critical need for GM officers/battalion surgeons/flight surgeons. Can they pull me out of my residency to fill one of those roles? Reference to Army contract or handbook would be very helpful.
If you have matched to a residency you will sign a straight through contract to complete training. You can absolutely get fired but you can't be pulled because of a need for GMOs. If you don't match and become a TY it's a different story because you will only have a 1 year contract, which is your internship.
 
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If you have matched to a residency you will sign a straight through contract to complete training. You can absolutely get fired but you can't be pulled because of a need for GMOs. If you don't match and become a TY it's a different story because you will only have a 1 year contract, which is your internship.
That's how I understood it, but I heard otherwise from a medical officer (granted he his doing FAP so may not be well versed on HPSP.) Might you have a reference in writing I can pull up?
 

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That's how I understood it, but I heard otherwise from a medical officer (granted he his doing FAP so may not be well versed on HPSP.) Might you have a reference in writing I can pull up?
When you match you will sign your contract then and that will be your reference. Please note that if you are incompetent/fat/have relations with the junior enlisted you can be fired, and all bets are off.
 
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When you match you will sign your contract then and that will be your reference. Please note that if you are incompetent/fat/have relations with the junior enlisted you can be fired, and all bets are off.
Understood, thanks!
 

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I doubt you will find the reference you are looking for since I doubt it exists. It all boils down to the needs of the military. It actually serves their needs to have you train straight through if you match since then they get a fully trained individual more quickly. However, should there ever be a critical need for a partially trained person (would probably be a pretty dire situation) then I am sure they would be able to pull you. Comfort yourself with the thought that this scenario is not a high likelihood.
 
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I doubt you will find the reference you are looking for since I doubt it exists. It all boils down to the needs of the military. It actually serves their needs to have you train straight through if you match since then they get a fully trained individual more quickly. However, should there ever be a critical need for a partially trained person (would probably be a pretty dire situation) then I am sure they would be able to pull you. Comfort yourself with the thought that this scenario is not a high likelihood.
Have you ever witnessed a resident being involuntarily removed from residency without cause to be a GMO?
 

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Have you ever witnessed a resident being involuntarily removed from residency without cause to be a GMO?
No, but it doesn't mean I can't envision a scenario where they would. Probably because I got to meet some old retired surgical subspecialists who never expected to be deployed after retiring, but discovered than in fact they could be as long as they did not resign their commission (deployed to Landstuhl, not the field but still). But assuming we can avoid world war 3 for the time being, the OP should be fine.
 

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If World War 3 breaks out all bets are off, but the short answer is that residents don't ever get pulled from training to deploy.

Caveat: Be sure you understand what a GMO tour is, and when it happens, and who it happens to. Some people might interpret normal GMO tours as being "pulled" from residency and there's some merit to that viewpoint.
 

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    The way I would look at it is that one one hand, once you've sold your soul, the military can do whatever the hell it wants with you. Period.
    On the other hand, it really isn't in their best interests to pull you out of a residency to go be an untrained doc somewhere.
    Yes, there are GMOs. But part of the way they decide how many of "X" physician to train or to defer for training each year depends directly upon how many "Xs" they project that they'll need when you're done training.
    If a unit or hospital is billited for a certain number of "X," they'll throw a tantrum if they don't have it. Even if they don't really need it.
    Pulling residents throws a big wrench into their projections, and they don't like that.

    So they are very unlikely to pull you. Not because of a contract that ultimately means nothing to them, but because it's better for them not to do it.
     
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