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how difficult is it to get into a pulmonary fellowship? is it possible to work your way in after getting a good IM spot?
bigtuna said:What are the top-notch Pulm/crit care programs? Is it the same places that have well respected IM residencies?
AJM said:The top pulm/cc programs include (in no particular order): Colorado, UW, UCSF, Wash U, Chicago, Penn, Harvard Combined, BU, Hopkins. Sorry, don't know much about the southern programs.
retroviridae said:By Colorado, does everyone mean National Jewish? Excellent program in pulmonary and allergy/immunology
krkuhl said:a little bit off the subject here--more of an overal pulm/critical care question. i've heard some talk about making critical care doc's schedules like ER doc's--working 12 hr shifts or 16 hrs--no call, just shiftwork. anyone else hear anything about this? think it is plausible or will happen any time in the near future? i love the concept of cc care but afraid of the hours and burn out rate and there is nooooo way i could do pulm clinic for the rest of my life. hoping someone else out there has heard of this or know more about it...
Code Blue said:I think at most private hospitals who can employ a decent number of intensivists -- it has already changed into shift work for a lot of places. I hear you about pulm clinic sucking ass, but I love CC medicine. Some places will allow you to do CC for a year or two to add on top of another fellowship -- like ID + CC, cards + CC (although I dunno why the hell someone would do that), etc..
Code Blue said:I hear you about pulm clinic sucking ass, but I love CC medicine.
imrep1972 said:Out of curiosity, what is it about pulm clinic that "sucks ass" in your opinion? I am still a ways off from making a decision, but I had been considering pulm/cc and would like to learn... Thanks!
AJM said:I assume when Code Blue was mentioning pulm clinic as sucking, he was referring specifically to asthma and COPD patients. I also dislike that area of pulm, as do most other people I know going into pulmonary. The thing is, unless you choose to subspecialize in COPD, these won't necessarily be the majority of your patients.
The patient mix can be highly varied. For example, you can see patients with new pulmonary infiltrates of unknown etiology, pleural effusions, lung masses/lung CA, TB, MAC, ILD, CF, pulmonary HTN, diaphragmatic paralysis, lupus, just to name a few. Many of these patients will have no diagnosis on presentation to pulmonary clinic, so if you enjoy being a diagnostician you would likely get a good amount of satisfaction from clinic.
Just my 0.02
AJM said:I assume when Code Blue was mentioning pulm clinic as sucking, he was referring specifically to asthma and COPD patients. I also dislike that area of pulm, as do most other people I know going into pulmonary. The thing is, unless you choose to subspecialize in COPD, these won't necessarily be the majority of your patients.
The patient mix can be highly varied. For example, you can see patients with new pulmonary infiltrates of unknown etiology, pleural effusions, lung masses/lung CA, TB, MAC, ILD, CF, pulmonary HTN, diaphragmatic paralysis, lupus, just to name a few. Many of these patients will have no diagnosis on presentation to pulmonary clinic, so if you enjoy being a diagnostician you would likely get a good amount of satisfaction from clinic.
Just my 0.02
Code Blue said:Unless you work at a large tertiary referral center, the majority of your patients will still be COPD, asthma, and lung masses. Having done 2 months of electives in pulm because I was thinking about it at one point, I just found the patient population not to be my cup of tea in that they are mostly chronic players for which treatments are largely voodoo magic (steroids or no steroids?) -- rarely do you get a patient that can be "cured" of their ailment. Also, bronchoscopy as a diagnostic tool is fairly low yield unless you have an endobronchial lesion.
I personally enjoyed the CC part of Pulm/CC a lot more, but was worried that I was going to burn out on the CC and have to do Pulm which only marginally interested me. However, there is one aspect of pulm that was pretty interesting and it's sleep medicine -- absolutely fascinating physiology involved.
ctwinkle30 said:how difficult it is to get pul/pul cc on h1visa for a fmg with a residency in a univ aff comm hospital
which are the h1 friendly programs?
mysophobe said:About straight pulm or cc, the op is at umdnj-som, which has a 2 year pulm fellowship and a 1 year cc fellowship that can be done separately or like a 3 year pulm/cc from what I understand.