pWWants are people too [Town wins]

[samac]

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yeah i think i'm at moon vs. thunal rn, and thunal has a slightly less wolfy odor than moon.

does samac have a strong bussing opinion? i want to say yes, but my brain has apparently deleted that information in order to keep something else.

Why moon over thunal

 

[moonstermash]

The point was I said PSV was flavor hunting instead of wolf hunting. And she said I shouldn't be worried about that. (So did Clem but we already covered that based on his rank dropping.)

I don’t remember saying anything about flavor hunting?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I don’t remember saying anything about flavor hunting?

You don't remember that exchange from yesterday?

Santy had to write a wallpost to settle me down.

 

[moonstermash]

You don't remember that exchange from yesterday?

Santy had to write a wallpost to settle me down.

It wasn’t about flavor hunting or challenging anyone on it, though. It was just about how “flavor is NAI” is an easy thing to say as wolf.

 

[Animal Midwife]

It wasn’t about flavor hunting or challenging anyone on it, though. It was just about how “flavor is NAI” is an easy thing to say as wolf.

It's also easy for a wolf to say "I know flavor is NAI but what if flavor were AI? Let me ruminate on that possibility."

Which is exactly what I was responding to before I was dismissed.

 

[moonstermash]

It's also easy for a wolf to say "I know flavor is NAI but what if flavor were AI? Let me ruminate on that possibility."

Which is exactly what I was responding to before I was dismissed.

Fair. Obviously you were right to pressure/scum read PSV, but regardless, I’m sorry that you felt like I was dismissing you when I shared my sus on you. It wasn’t my intention.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Fair. Obviously you were right to pressure/scum read PSV, but regardless, I’m sorry that you felt like I was dismissing you when I shared my sus on you. It wasn’t my intention.

It's alright. I'm not angry or anything. Just being vigilant.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Ehehehehehehe

*T poses to assert dominance*

I almost missed this post. You cooked alone for saying that.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I have bussed exactly one time a million years ago in one of my first ever wolf games but alright

Actually, it happened twice.

 

[genny]

Why moon over thunal

This is when moon was leading by 1 vote:

Feel like I should vote PSV for self-pres, but that probably leads her to vote me for self-pres, and I can't do nothing about that. So I'll just stick on my biggest sus as my legacy. Also, Santy is my top town.

even though PSV just said she was going to walk her dogs so she wouldn't be posting much anytime soon. And PSV hadn't been around to say much earlier, so why would she start now? So moon doesn't self pres just in case PSV shows up? it's weird.

and then finally at 1hr 15m ish before close, after AM prompted it:

I suppose. And maybe I'll Beetlejuice her if nothing else?

unyeet Thunal

yeet PSV

it would have looked suspicious not to vote PSV in this scenario, so i just can't give moon village cred for it.

as for Thunal, i think the water-testing she did at EOD can go either way. i don't have enough meta on Thunal to say whether her trying to start a vote on me and discourage the PSV vote is wolfy or village. sometimes villagers feel more free to try to shake things up EOD than wolves do, it depends on how nervous she is as a wolf.

 

[Santygrass]

Aight . Just read what I missed before going to bed.


April lock town never rescind.

I think the last wolf is between thunal and Samac. If not, Clem is my panic option but less sure there

Will try to sort out thoughts + put some explanations tomorrow morning.


Tbh I advise everyone to reread first couple pages of the game which is where PSV posted more I feel like. Gn!

 

[samac]

Aight . Just read what I missed before going to bed.


April lock town never rescind.

I think the last wolf is between thunal and Samac. If not, Clem is my panic option but less sure there

Will try to sort out thoughts + put some explanations tomorrow morning.


Tbh I advise everyone to reread first couple pages of the game which is where PSV posted more I feel like. Gn!

Rood
I promise there’s not a world where I’m a wolf.
My wolf game is better than flopping on the ground like a fish

 

[Santygrass]

Also moon that seems hella suspicious lol

Clarifying, to retroactively say "ah, back when I naked voted you, I was actually feeling suspicious of you!"
It's off.

I lied I didnt go to sleep yet.

But this reaction to the moon/AM interaction + with moon being the cw to PSV + the fact that moon self pressed and PSV didnt (as in, they werent in sync if they were w-w)

Makes me think moon is just town here

 

[Santygrass]

Rood
I promise there’s not a world where I’m a wolf.
My wolf game is better than flopping on the ground like a fish

Ftr I think that regardles of aff you had a pretty good EoD , I liked it a lot

 

[samac]

Ftr I think that regardles of aff you had a pretty good EoD , I liked it a lot

Hahaha
I did not like my EOD
I felt like this:

On the bright side I’ll have time to go back through PSV posts tomorrow so even if they do decide to to not n1 you for some weird ass reason I can leave a nice little legacy and fade into oblivion.

 

[supershorty]

I lied I didnt go to sleep yet.

**********************
😡
**********************

 

[samac]

Moon/ PSV. I like looking at mentions of another person not just interactions.

I think the issue for me is some of the questions seem superfluous. Like, I didn't know exactly what "Feed me Seymour" was, but I just figured it was a reference, and even if it wasn't, it didn't seem that important to follow up on.

Earlier on, AM's continued focus on "yeat" also seemed strange. IDK, I don't feel totally confident without meta (/maybe feel a little bad tbh), but they're the pings I've gotten, so.

I can only find one reference AM made to "yeat" and then later a joking response to someone else regarding it. Is that what you're talking about?

Also moon that seems hella suspicious lol

Clarifying, to retroactively say "ah, back when I naked voted you, I was actually feeling suspicious of you!"
It's off.

While doing my morning routine, I realized the first and fourth post go together, as setup and punchline for that "How Do You Spell Chauffeur" meme the zoomers et. al. enjoy. I suppose the two in the middle could be continuing to bait for the punchline, which overall makes this whole thing likely NAI and me feel old. (I miss when Zoomers were all from 02134 tbh.)

A bit skeptical of it as an alignment-indicative reaction test, especially since I'm town, but whatever.

Still doesn't change my issues with AM's questioning of PSV. However, I can also see why other people have PSV suspicions, and I doubt AM and PSV could both be wolves (distancing this early with 2 wolves feels unnecessary at best and dangerous at worst).

I'm also tempted to just sheep Santy because I feel he's either very towny or very pocketing me tbh. (You'll forgive me if I'm a little more wary of pockets since Champs, where 2 wolves pocketed me and they won in F3.) I will keep thinking and reading.

I think Santy asked who else I’d vote for, and it was between PSV and Thunal earlier. Initially, Thunal was a weaker lean/kinda sheeping Clem who I town lean. But the post I quoted really pings me.

Thunal spends most of it sussing AM, in a way that feels stronger than her sus on me, but then she votes me anyway? While acknowledging her sus on neither of us is that strong? Doesn’t seem right to me.

1. Feel like this implies Thunal's likely to die in a kind of TMI'y way? I think the votes were me/Thunal/PSV tied at 2, so not low odds of death if day ended there, but I wasn't gonna let the votes sit like that until EOD, and I doubt anyone else was, either. The other option is that Thunal dies overnight, of course...

2. Feels like an early time to say this in general. Why not wait to say this until Thunal's actually dead and you just do it? Seems pockety. (Not that I'm disagreeing that Thunal's a good player necessarily, although I don't have enough experience with her to say it with this confidence. It can still be true and pockety, IMO.)

3. April did get this ping, which was that an announcement to sheep comes off as deferring responsibility. (I'd also agree it's off and unexpected generally.)

4. I'm adding Clem's sassy reaction of "but you're voting her!" I didn't think of it initially, but yes, that's also strange. Like, "I will help kill you because I think you're scummy, but also you're a good player and I'll sheep you if town"? I'm not sure I'd say this under any circumstance tbh. Which is kinda why this post/possibly Clem in general is not an easy read for me, lol

I wouldn't say I know Clem that well tbh. IDK that we've played a lot, and I think some of my experience playing/speccing has been with Nanook, who honestly feels like a different player than Clem. (But they are the same and I'm not just misremembering, right?) Also I have an idiosyncratic memory, so if I haven't played with someone a ton or latched onto them for some reason (like with you having a Lexie Grey icon, makes me want to town read you always), I usually just have a vague sense of someone.

My vague sense is that Clem is more of a wildcard player. Hence why I didn't snap vote him despite having 3 pings on him in one post. I'm not sure they're relevant, and also my general sense of wolfing is that they probably wouldn't be so bold D1? (The PSV lock town felt bold as well, mostly where my slight town lean on him earlier came from.) Doesn't apply as much to players like Clem of course, but still, my read on him is conflicted/uncertain.

And I don't think you're understanding what I'm calling TMI. From that post, it seems to me like Clem knows Thunal is town/is going to die.

Feel free to disagree, but none of this is manufactured.

Feel like I should vote PSV for self-pres, but that probably leads her to vote me for self-pres, and I can't do nothing about that. So I'll just stick on my biggest sus as my legacy. Also, Santy is my top town.

I suppose. And maybe I'll Beetlejuice her if nothing else?

unyeet Thunal

yeet PSV

Fair. Obviously you were right to pressure/scum read PSV, but regardless, I’m sorry that you felt like I was dismissing you when I shared my sus on you. It wasn’t my intention.

 

[samac]

This is where I’m hung up @Animal Midwife @genny

Also moon that seems hella suspicious lol

This was the first post before April and I to call out moon’s actions against AM as suspicious. Moon already has one vote. Does PSV do that to their packmate who already has some light heat before they’re getting more heat? I don’t think so.
I think moon is town.

 

[samac]

AM/PSV + some other comments from AM about PSV with me and Clem

Spoiler

Are you trying to insinuate you are a wolf who will go down with the ship?

I certainly would.

I was rereading Clem's intro (slash only posts since the game is still young and fresh) and I do feel like it's unusual for him to make that many posts so early on and immediately. Gotta say though, I think it's unusual for both alignments? So while his intro reads as odd I don't think it reads as wolfy-odd because I don't know if I've seen him (relatively) spam at the beginning like that as either wolf or village. Idk what to make of it.

Also tingly brain just says this is a wolfy role lol but that is hardly a slam dunk

It feels like there are a lot of early votes flying around. What's nonsense joking and what's sincere? Time will tell.

I absolutely refuse to village read Clem with what he's posted so far but JJJ already said flavor is NAI. Gotta read that intro post.

Has everything you've said been sincere?

I did but feed me Seymour 😔

As sincere as usual

Don't get it.

It's a reference to the large, man-eating plant from Little Shop of Horrors

I know but why is NAI information you were already aware of feeding you?

Feed me Seymour is the whole line. It was just a bad thought because I can't help think of Venus fly traps as villainous.

What are your thoughts on other players so far?

I am interpreting April's vote on Clem as serious.

...You asked that question before she switched.

But Santy responded to me afterward?

Yes, with the word was.

I never said the question had to be absolutely static. And for something that was mostly just musing to myself about how 2/3rds of the roster had already voted, it's really not something to be hung up on.

Well, if the question is moving I don't understand the purpose of asking it. All that aside though, I kind of want to see something concrete come from this musing. Anyone can say "X voted" but "here's what I think about X voting Y" lets me see that you're gamesolving.

Either my reaction test worked or it didn't. There isn't room for in-between.

I'm other people.

Been doing that this whole cycle. Even you mentioned me talking to PSV.

I'm confused. Could you elaborate more?

Okay. I fail to see how it could be anything but a reaction test but maybe others could chime in.

• First post seemed a bit awkward like trying to make an entrance without seeming too detached from the thread and is the only "previous basis" I can find for suspecting me (+/- samac?).
• Coming back to vote me without the receipts.
• Discrediting my entire questioning of PSV because of my one post asking clarification of what a response meant.
• Trying to say I should defocus my tunnel on her because "it's going nowhere." I don't think this is even remotely a tunnel, especially as I've been actively discussing other people.

I'm not ready to core April but I assume this is your own list.

Pwwants are not connected to alignment, it's in the OP

That said hard locking psv town

Oh yeah?

Probably but I'd rather just say it evinces a townie mindset in a way that is fakable but most don't think to fake thus I am locking her town, particularly because I've correctly made mindset reads on psv before and thus feel full of hubris

You don't think it's fakable even though she already knew flavor wasn't AI before she wrote it?

How can genny be anywhere without posting...?

It's the entire playerlist.

I'm back! I'm back!

I got caught up reading and writing tbh
Alas I have no thots to give

I thought this was just a return play on words. Do you really still have no thoughts this far into the cycle?

Not to interfere with your posts @Aprilthearab but I thought you were okay with PSV going over.

I am, but I'm not okay with the lack of reasoning Thunal is giving for switching. I'm trying to decide if I think this is v/w and if so, which one is the w. Or, if it's w/w (doubt, but not impossible) and this is an attempt to scare people off of PSV or a premature bus

A bus this early without significant pressure on both wagons?
PSV wouldn’t willingly be apart of that

I don't know if it's likely here but please don't say that when PSV literally did that before.

It's been over two years and my wolfing playstyle is very different now.

Give me reads instead of WIFOM.

Errrr I'm about to walk my dog tbh so I will probably not be around for close, sorry
However my spicy take after initially liking his Clem pressure is that Santy is actually scum
Yeet Santy

I would like to hear more.

genny is firmly neutral for me. She looks better if PSV is scum but <12 hours is too small a frame for me to see her progressions at this point.

You still have ~20 minutes. That aside, it's always pro-village to self-prez unless you're >99% certain that PSV is both town and a stronger role than you.

I feel like I’m kinda okay with PSV going over but it would hurt me if that’s a misyeet.

It would hurt but it's been really hard to get AI content from her the entire cycle. I have down that she trusts Clem and distrusts Santy.

[/quote]

 

[samac]

So when I moved AM so far down my list it was based on my questioning of her not moving to PSV when she was so fine with it. Which I have watched her do and stay off wolf partners.
But looking back at the cycle as a whole she’s village. There’s not a world where she tries to discredit other people’s village reads on her wolf partner that hard (eg clem and me)
I go back to my original read.

 

[genny]

This is where I’m hung up @Animal Midwife @genny

This was the first post before April and I to call out moon’s actions against AM as suspicious. Moon already has one vote. Does PSV do that to their packmate who already has some light heat before they’re getting more heat? I don’t think so.
I think moon is town.

oh i just read page 6 clem and i'm having slight doubts.

i think i'm at thunal > moon > clem > you > AM > april > gg santy. just in case i die tonight.

 

[samac]

April/PSV

Spoiler

I think it's been forever since I played with April tbh

It's been forever since I've played at all lol

I was rereading Clem's intro (slash only posts since the game is still young and fresh) and I do feel like it's unusual for him to make that many posts so early on and immediately. Gotta say though, I think it's unusual for both alignments? So while his intro reads as odd I don't think it reads as wolfy-odd because I don't know if I've seen him (relatively) spam at the beginning like that as either wolf or village. Idk what to make of it.

Also tingly brain just says this is a wolfy role lol but that is hardly a slam dunk

Flavor confirmed NAI. Interesting hedging

Meh, I think Clem is a difficult player to pin down because his playstyle is kinda elusive. I'm comfortable hedging on him.

Sure, but it was just wordy hedging so it caught my attention

I am interpreting April's vote on Clem as serious.

Also moon that seems hella suspicious lol

This post keeps giving me vibes of wolf taking quick advantage of a villager sounding wolfy

Unyeet Samac
Yeet PSV

What's giving you bad vibes? Curious if they're the same as mine or not

Why do I always want to scum read moon
This feels opportunistic and scummy

I think I'm leaning Moon a little tiny bit more toward village as of this point because I can definitely see this being stumbly villager instead of stumbly wolf, and PSV's sus of Moon felt a lot more opportunistic than Moon's vote change. Also, Moon did more reasoning through and actually put a vote behind the feeling rather than PSV's "wow super sus" and then didn't put a vote anywhere

Second part to mull over is if Clem-PSV can be W-W .

Brain said yes. It makes perfect sense as to why Clem would drop a locktown read on a partner who no one had stated a tr + had a vote .

But also my gut says its a confbiased and surface-level analysis. So I would like others opinions on this. Also because at face value I vibe a bit with the insight and basis of the read, even if I dont fully agree with it

Still mindmelding. Had the same thought - definitely W-W compatible on surface level but it seems too easy. I could definitely see a wolf locktown reading a villager for pocketing or even white knighting purposes so I'm not using it in my assessment of compatibility

Also re: PSV's flavor post that should have been NAI, I could still see a wolf saying that. I've definitely made comments as a wolf before about silly things that I should have known better than to say but I either didn't think it through before posting or went "this is all that's rattling around in my brain right now so I might as well say it to look busy"

Yes. How is genny sorted without having posted?

Genny is true neutral given that he has no info on her, anything above is lean village and anything below is lean wolf. He did specify that later on

@potentialsheltervet

I see

Fwiw, of the moon/PSV/thunal tie right now, I'd probably be most inclined to move to PSV. I still think moon might just be a stumbly villager (though the retaliation was strange) and I'm not sure what to make of thunal but I'd like to give them another cycle to think about it

PSV still hasn't voted. And she's tied on the board. It's a low tie, but still. Hmmmm

Why?
I don't think I've seen you sus PSV up until now, and your last reads list was this

And previously, you thought that Clem's reason for village reading PSV was decent, which was likely more a reflection on your Clem read than PSV but you said it was "somewhat good for her"

Looking at that reads list, I'm also wondering why the switch from Moon to PSV rather than to AM, Genny, or Clem who would all be people you feel worse or the same about

Okay yet another thing that kind of bothers me is that PSV hasn't posted a single time since this reads list was posted so I would like to know what changed

There are several non-sketchy reasons someone could switch their vote like that, but I'm really not liking the naked switch in context of the reads list that was given after PSV's most recent posts

I am, but I'm not okay with the lack of reasoning Thunal is giving for switching. I'm trying to decide if I think this is v/w and if so, which one is the w. Or, if it's w/w (doubt, but not impossible) and this is an attempt to scare people off of PSV or a premature bus

Again, I am not discounting my read on PSV yet. I'm just confused about Thunal.

Moon just kind of rolled over right? But didn't PSV do that too? So they're both on the same playing field as far as reactions to being on the board

But what do you think about PSV also rolling over?

Yeah, I between Moon and PSV I'd still pick PSV, even though it's strange she just rolled over. I dunno where the other votes are gonna go and I'm alone on the Clem wagon so might as well

Unyeet Clem

Yeet PSV

Yeah but was on PSV for a short while. I'm still sus of Thunal either way but wondered about your thoughts

 

[Animal Midwife]

This is where I’m hung up @Animal Midwife @genny

This was the first post before April and I to call out moon’s actions against AM as suspicious. Moon already has one vote. Does PSV do that to their packmate who already has some light heat before they’re getting more heat? I don’t think so.
I think moon is town.

Well, we had a short conversation that was actually me talking about that when you brought up PSV's bussing meta but I'm not 100% sure. She's still in my POE but not necessarily THE yeet for tomorrow, if that makes any sense.

 

[samac]

oh i just read page 6 clem and i'm having slight doubts.

i think i'm at thunal > moon > clem > you > AM > april > gg santy. just in case i die tonight.

I can get behind that minus moon tbh.
But gg? Is that yourself? lol

 

[samac]

Why does it say all posts are in 2 minutes lol

 

[samac]

Well, we had a short conversation that was actually me talking about that when you brought up PSV's bussing meta but I'm not 100% sure. She's still in my POE but not necessarily THE yeet for tomorrow, if that makes any sense.

So while I don’t want to discount that PSV would never bus again I am pretty sure she’d only do it if absolutely necessary and wouldn’t throw a bunch of attention on a packmate that early at this point in her career.
Her off vote in santy when it was her/moon/thun makes me think one of them might be right tho and I lean towards thun.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I can get behind that minus moon tbh.
But gg? Is that yourself? lol

I think she means if it Santy, this game is ogre.

 

[samac]

I think she means if it Santy, this game is ogre.

Oh
Yeah fair lol

 

[Animal Midwife]

So while I don’t want to discount that PSV would never bus again I am pretty sure she’d only do it if absolutely necessary and wouldn’t throw a bunch of attention on a packmate that early at this point in her career.
Her off vote in santy when it was her/moon/thun makes me think one of them might be right tho and I lean towards thun.

Maybe.

 

[samac]

April/PSV

Back to this I can follow aprils logic and don’t think she’d push a partner in the ways she pushed PSV.
Calling out PSV as opportunistic for calling out moon when PSV is already taking hits from AM isn’t April’s style.
I think she’d distance, but not that way that early.
I also think she’s village.

 

[samac]

Thun/PSV

Spoiler

I read it again and maybe it is in context lol. Like if PSV were using it to push Clem I wouldn't townread it but it felt more like a random thought that just happened.

Clem is probably town with a little bit of paranoia there. I think his mindset read on PSV makes sense and I think it's somewhat good for her but I'm a little bothered about his level of confidence in it. I think realistically it's not that hard to fake/shouldn't be a lock.

April
Santy/Samac
PSV/Clem
genny
AM/Moonster

is where I'm at right now. Like your questions to PSV/moonster which could be a way to get involved and generate content but it's fairly safe and i feel like I might see a towny underlying process if it were there.

what if I

vote PSV

Why?
I don't think I've seen you sus PSV up until now, and your last reads list was this

And previously, you thought that Clem's reason for village reading PSV was decent, which was likely more a reflection on your Clem read than PSV but you said it was "somewhat good for her"

Okay yet another thing that kind of bothers me is that PSV hasn't posted a single time since this reads list was posted so I would like to know what changed

There are several non-sketchy reasons someone could switch their vote like that, but I'm really not liking the naked switch in context of the reads list that was given after PSV's most recent posts

I wanted to see how other people reacted to PSV being a top wagon and I didn't give reasons on purpose. I've had some more private sus on PSV since that list because I was second guessing my reads and I don't scumread AM anymore, but I still think moon is more likely to hit.

What changed was me thinking AM was towny and not really feeling genny so I think I was wrong somewhere and voting PSV might help me figure out where.

Day 1 PLANT VOTE TALLY

[1] Clem J - Aprilthearab
[1] moonstermash - Animal Midwife
[0] samac
[0] Santygrass
[0] Animal Midwife (AM)
[3] potentialsheltervet (PSV) - Santygrass, genny, Thunal33
[2] Thunal33 - Clem J, moonstermash
[1] genny - samac

8/9

Missing: @potentialsheltervet

Vote closes TODAY at 8pm EST/5pm PST, 7/6/24 (~89 minutes).
Note that this game has no hammer vote. Everything is pure deadline/plurality.

vote moonster

This is probably my vote for EoD. If wolves are taking advantage of the sus on me moonster fits that bill more than Clem or anyone else. I think Clem's responses have been good for him and I'll sheep Clem's PSV read for now

Thanks.

unvote PSV

vote moonster

Santy
Samac
Clem
April
AM
PSV
genny
moonster

is where I'm at right now

The one time I played with genny she came in late and only posted a few times and was wolf but from what I've gathered here idt that's AI for her. is that right?

Genny arrives when it's precisely on time for her. It's not AI

Eh, I'd rather PSV not go over today. Her voting Santy is so out of left field that I don't think she has any self-pres instincts.

the same lack of self pres instincts could be said about moon, but she's at least showing up and doing the solving she's expected. I was baffled by PSV which I actually think is townier lol.

ehhh I think PSV flips town

welp I'm nervous. Hope PSV flips wolf although I doubt it

 

[samac]

I’m pretty honed in on thunal after this tbh.
Goes from voting PSV to “don’t do it she’s going to flip village!”
And as far as the timing of a vote on PSV she was in prime bussing spot, 3rd on. They were tied at 2 votes at the time.
A little over a hour later she comes back and changes her vote, hoping to get a moon wagon going.
Neither party, moon nor PSV did a single thing between that vote change. It feels like a discussion might have been had about a possible other wagon.
Im putting my money here.

 

[samac]

Clem/PSV

Spoiler

I was rereading Clem's intro (slash only posts since the game is still young and fresh) and I do feel like it's unusual for him to make that many posts so early on and immediately. Gotta say though, I think it's unusual for both alignments? So while his intro reads as odd I don't think it reads as wolfy-odd because I don't know if I've seen him (relatively) spam at the beginning like that as either wolf or village. Idk what to make of it.

Also tingly brain just says this is a wolfy role lol but that is hardly a slam dunk

Meh, I think Clem is a difficult player to pin down because his playstyle is kinda elusive. I'm comfortable hedging on him.

Santy's early attention on Clem feels town even if I don't fully agree with the reasoning. No one else has done anything alignment indicative imo.

I am interpreting April's vote on Clem as serious.

That the way Clem entered the thread is indicative of scum!Clem. As I stated, I don't really feel like I've seen Clem post that much at the start as either alignment, so I think it's NAI.

Pwwants are not connected to alignment, it's in the OP

That said hard locking psv town

Probably but I'd rather just say it evinces a townie mindset in a way that is fakable but most don't think to fake thus I am locking her town, particularly because I've correctly made mindset reads on psv before and thus feel full of hubris

I vaguely see the argument your trying to make here regarding PSV . Dont feel its as strong but I def will mull on it

That's fine I don't expect anyone else to be convinced by it lol

Going back to the Clem read on PSV.

I think I kinda see where the logic comes from?

Since the tingly brain snapreaction of thinking a specific plant is wolfy , while it can come from a TMI of knowing plants can be any alignment, it could be harder to reach that snapreaction with the TMI of knowing said plant /isnt wolfy/ , so the NAI statement of plant roles would prevail in W!PSV mind?

@Clem J tell me if Im interpreting it correctly.


AM replied something along the lines of the same lines of a wolf flavor-hunting, which I dont think it applies? But personally I feel its like one jab at Clem going on nothing, which goes in line with the approach I think W!PSV is having of just trying to post *stuff* whitout really much insight or analysis?
So like, tingly brain saw an opportunity to shade Clem, even if its something NAI PSV takes it anyways, is where Im at. The sus of moon being amped up for what it was also makes me think it can come from that approach / type.

I feel like this is a towny Clem post. Irrespective of the player involved being me lol
It's reminding me of his "Dubz was mafia" cockiness.

Close enough

#neverforget @WildZoo

Errrr I'm about to walk my dog tbh so I will probably not be around for close, sorry
However my spicy take after initially liking his Clem pressure is that Santy is actually scum
Yeet Santy

Nothing worth mentioning

I have trs on psv santy [maybe genny but not super confident] and someone else I'm forgetting, I wanna say April tho

 

[samac]

Really nothing with Clem other than his town lock on PSV.
Do I think Clem would do that to a wolf partner? Yes. Do I think it more likely than thunal? No

 

[samac]

I’m not ISOing Santy and Genny.

Santy
Genny

AM

April


Moon



Clem






Thunal



Final answer

And @Thunal33 if you are the last wolf you should kill me not santy because when I get something in my head I’m a rabid dog with a bone and can’t help myself poke relentlessly so I will not leave you alone for that last day and I promise you’ll be happier with me ded. Thnx.

 

[samac]

That’s about as much srs business as I have left in me this cycle so it’s ****post o’clock for the next 20 hours.

 

[samac]

I can’t sleep.
Just in case anyone is curious I’m 29% of this thread.
Yet I have so little actual content.
Bad samac.

 

[Santygrass]

GM Thread, its time to work now​

 

[Santygrass]

genny's D1 compost pile (to be laughed at in wolf chat and post-game):

Not weeds:
santy
april
clem

Might be flowers:
samac
AM

Ouchy thorns:
Moon
PSV

i'm not sure where to sort Thunal yet. i want to yeet her, but not D1.

vote psv

This is genny's list after she caught up. I think is likely town, but I feel like Im less sure than other townreads, mostly because genny has been to much quiet tbh tbh!!
While I was here EoD I did say that genny GTH was towny because their readlist seemed pro-town to me, that tracked to be true (specially with the vote+slight prods they did at EoD) . I dont know about bus meta, but it could be a possibility (and adds up with how PSV played).

I like genny after EoD and how they explain their read in moon / thunal. Matrix practice game showed me that V!genny has such fire reads, please share them more. f.e. your take on samac/AM rn besides this post you havent talked about, or besides clem I dont feel you talked about your trs. So rn my read/image of you is like seeing half town!genny , because you are holding back some stuff. And im like, I want to see the full genny pls

 

[samac]

This is genny's list after she caught up. I think is likely town, but I feel like Im less sure than other townreads, mostly because genny has been to much quiet tbh tbh!!
While I was here EoD I did say that genny GTH was towny because their readlist seemed pro-town to me, that tracked to be true (specially with the vote+slight prods they did at EoD) . I dont know about bus meta, but it could be a possibility (and adds up with how PSV played).

I like genny after EoD and how they explain their read in moon / thunal. Matrix practice game showed me that V!genny has such fire reads, please share them more. f.e. your take on samac/AM rn besides this post you havent talked about, or besides clem I dont feel you talked about your trs. So rn my read/image of you is like seeing half town!genny , because you are holding back some stuff. And im like, I want to see the full genny pls

I don’t think there’s a world where genny comes in that late and throws down the bus that early into her play tbh.
It’s why I didn’t iso. There isn’t a world I can see where she isn’t town

 

[Santygrass]

APRIL IS LOCK TOWN. NEVER RESCIND ​

LEGACY EXPLAINED~​

​

Spoiler: First Early Townread

I'm bored

Yeet Santy

Hi bored, I'm Santy

So

Your vote on me had the lazy villa poking at thread and make something happen. So town

Probably not that much revelant, since overall it was an early reason, and not as strong with all the info we have now. But I wanted to include it to put a medal on myself and signalize that I have been tracking April content and posts from the start.

Spoiler: First Poke at PSV

I was rereading Clem's intro (slash only posts since the game is still young and fresh) and I do feel like it's unusual for him to make that many posts so early on and immediately. Gotta say though, I think it's unusual for both alignments? So while his intro reads as odd I don't think it reads as wolfy-odd because I don't know if I've seen him (relatively) spam at the beginning like that as either wolf or village. Idk what to make of it.

Also tingly brain just says this is a wolfy role lol but that is hardly a slam dunk

Flavor confirmed NAI. Interesting hedging

Meh, I think Clem is a difficult player to pin down because his playstyle is kinda elusive. I'm comfortable hedging on him.

Sure, but it was just wordy hedging so it caught my attention

So, PSV has not much content this D1. But I think its notable how April was always questioning PSV tbh. This alone can be called distancing, but I feel is worth to put just to show the overall progression and how PSV was on their radar since the start, and April was taking opposite stances to PSV.

Spoiler: First to Wolfread a PSV post

Clarifying, to retroactively say "ah, back when I naked voted you, I was actually feeling suspicious of you!"
It's off.

Hmm. Moonster's tone is a bit odd in a stumbly way but I'm trying to decide if it sounds like wolfy stumbling or villager struggling to word things correctly

This post keeps giving me vibes of wolf taking quick advantage of a villager sounding wolfy

What's giving you bad vibes? Curious if they're the same as mine or not

This is a double. Not only April goes against the PSV agenda calling moon sus, interjecting themselves and putting the possibility of moon being a villager with a stumbly tone, but after calls out PSV comment just being wolfy. I had the same reaction, and as I said, seeing that April saw the same and it wasn't only me, it was what it made me vote PSV.

Spoiler: Another Independently Towny post from April

@Santygrass what made you like this post, I thought you weren't wolf reading thunal?

Like, I feel a bit broken record.
But this post is villagey.

The attention to detail + the questioning to a townread (which is also keeping track of perspective/reads) is a level of insight thats harder to fake / have as a wolf here.


Not *impossible* ofc , but a good village lean alone off this post

Probably too much to quote, but at this stage of the game I already brought up April as a village read and tried to shove it in other people perspectives. April here shows that they arent just comfy taking it and patting me in their pocket, they still are keeping track of my direction and analyzing, this is really towny imo.

Spoiler: Posts that show that even whitout the vote, PSV was on April sus radar the whole time

Still mindmelding. Had the same thought - definitely W-W compatible on surface level but it seems too easy. I could definitely see a wolf locktown reading a villager for pocketing or even white knighting purposes so I'm not using it in my assessment of compatibility

Fwiw, of the moon/PSV/thunal tie right now, I'd probably be most inclined to move to PSV. I still think moon might just be a stumbly villager (though the retaliation was strange) and I'm not sure what to make of thunal but I'd like to give them another cycle to think about it

PSV still hasn't voted. And she's tied on the board. It's a low tie, but still. Hmmmm

So, for the posts PSV made, April not only was going in opposite takes, but also always talking into thread and having PSV as a wolfread and making it known on thread. The signalizing of voting PSV if the tie continued, or the signalizing of PSV lack of vote, are really good here.

Spoiler: Super Towny Prodding at EoD

Why?
I don't think I've seen you sus PSV up until now, and your last reads list was this

And previously, you thought that Clem's reason for village reading PSV was decent, which was likely more a reflection on your Clem read than PSV but you said it was "somewhat good for her"

Looking at that reads list, I'm also wondering why the switch from Moon to PSV rather than to AM, Genny, or Clem who would all be people you feel worse or the same about

Okay yet another thing that kind of bothers me is that PSV hasn't posted a single time since this reads list was posted so I would like to know what changed

There are several non-sketchy reasons someone could switch their vote like that, but I'm really not liking the naked switch in context of the reads list that was given after PSV's most recent posts

I am, but I'm not okay with the lack of reasoning Thunal is giving for switching. I'm trying to decide if I think this is v/w and if so, which one is the w. Or, if it's w/w (doubt, but not impossible) and this is an attempt to scare people off of PSV or a premature bus

This questioning of thunal, is like, super good.
Because, if we assume PSV-April are W-W , then April was kinda commited to distance/bus since the start, and for a wolf this string of posts could be seen as a shoft shield on PSV , so it wouldnt make sense to take this line of questioning.
But its just the level of nuance and how they are keeping track on thunal progression and being bothered by it even if it goes to their same scumread is just really really towny

Spoiler: Conclussion

Yeah, I between Moon and PSV I'd still pick PSV, even though it's strange she just rolled over. I dunno where the other votes are gonna go and I'm alone on the Clem wagon so might as well

Unyeet Clem

Yeet PSV

April vote comes when PSV yeet was almost decided. Yes. But they were one of the slots that made sure PSV was sus and refused every opportunity they had to align with PSV. They look unpaired and have independently towny posts. April is just town. This is the read I trust the most, and I like the analysis they are making, we have been sharing the same perspective most of the game.
If I die, I would like everyone to consider April as my spriritual succesor.

APRIL SO TOWN NO CAP FR FR

 

[samac]

APRIL IS LOCK TOWN. NEVER RESCIND ​

LEGACY EXPLAINED~​

​

Spoiler: First Early Townread

Probably not that much revelant, since overall it was an early reason, and not as strong with all the info we have now. But I wanted to include it to put a medal on myself and signalize that I have been tracking April content and posts from the start.

Spoiler: First Poke at PSV

So, PSV has not much content this D1. But I think its notable how April was always questioning PSV tbh. This alone can be called distancing, but I feel is worth to put just to show the overall progression and how PSV was on their radar since the start, and April was taking opposite stances to PSV.

Spoiler: First to Wolfread a PSV post

This is a double. Not only April goes against the PSV agenda calling moon sus, interjecting themselves and putting the possibility of moon being a villager with a stumbly tone, but after calls out PSV comment just being wolfy. I had the same reaction, and as I said, seeing that April saw the same and it wasn't only me, it was what it made me vote PSV.

Spoiler: Another Independently Towny post from April

Probably too much to quote, but at this stage of the game I already brought up April as a village read and tried to shove it in other people perspectives. April here shows that they arent just comfy taking it and patting me in their pocket, they still are keeping track of my direction and analyzing, this is really towny imo.

Spoiler: Posts that show that even whitout the vote, PSV was on April sus radar the whole time

So, for the posts PSV made, April not only was going in opposite takes, but also always talking into thread and having PSV as a wolfread and making it known on thread. The signalizing of voting PSV if the tie continued, or the signalizing of PSV lack of vote, are really good here.

Spoiler: Super Towny Prodding at EoD

This questioning of thunal, is like, super good.
Because, if we assume PSV-April are W-W , then April was kinda commited to distance/bus since the start, and for a wolf this string of posts could be seen as a shoft shield on PSV , so it wouldnt make sense to take this line of questioning.
But its just the level of nuance and how they are keeping track on thunal progression and being bothered by it even if it goes to their same scumread is just really really towny

Spoiler: Conclussion

April vote comes when PSV yeet was almost decided. Yes. But they were one of the slots that made sure PSV was sus and refused every opportunity they had to align with PSV. They look unpaired and have independently towny posts. April is just town. This is the read I trust the most, and I like the analysis they are making, we have been sharing the same perspective most of the game.
If I die, I would like everyone to consider April as my spriritual succesor.

APRIL SO TOWN NO CAP FR FR

Fair enough. She’s still below you genny and April for me but I don’t think it matters because I think that’s a blocc.
I need you to find me tho so pls work on doing that.

With genny, you, AM, me, and April game is locked.
I think it’s good today tho. It’s gonna be thunal. I’m more confident this morning.

 

[samac]

Fair enough. She’s still below you genny and April for me but I don’t think it matters because I think that’s a blocc.
I need you to find me tho so pls work on doing that.

With genny, you, AM, me, and April game is locked.
I think it’s good today tho. It’s gonna be thunal. I’m more confident this morning.

AM not April in that first line.

 

[Santygrass]

Yeh , I plan on going through everyone before night ends. So I can have a nice legacy


Going to be real akward if for some reason I dont die

 

[samac]

Yeh , I plan on going through everyone before night ends. So I can have a nice legacy


Going to be real akward if for some reason I dont die

Thunal might take my advice and kill me.
I drive wolves nuts who I think I’m sure on.
I can’t help it.
I’m too competitive

 

[samac]

lol @ the 2 wolves being in my I don’t want to vote there d1 group

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Day 1 has ended. potentialsheltervet was an Organ Pipe Cactus.

Spoiler

Vanilla mafia

I'll provide proper flavor within this post later when I know it won't get eaten and update the thread when it's provided. It's now Night 1, and the night will last 24 hours. Please submit your night actions within 23 hours.
​

Did you know that the organ pipe cactus produces external fruits? Indeed, they grow toward the peaks of each "organ pipe", and they've been a source of healthy calories for the people and animal life of the present-day southwest US and Mexico for generations.

That must be why so many of you found potentialsheltervet appetizing on Day 1. You crowded her and plucked her completely barren before leaving her to continue burning in the desert sun. While this might seem cruel, rest assured: she was going to poke each of you with her spiky appendages given the opportunity. And those spikes hurt! Ouchie wawa! Yikes!

I have added the dumbest flavor ever written to the end of Day 1 post.

 

[samac]

I have added the dumbest flavor ever written to the end of Day 1 post.

I love it thank you

 

[moonstermash]

I have added the dumbest flavor ever written to the end of Day 1 post.

Tsk, tsk, don't put yourself down like that. Unless you're just lying about everything, we got a nice bit of knowledge, that can't be dumb.

 

[kaydubs]

Tsk, tsk, don't put yourself down like that. Unless you're just lying about everything, we got a nice bit of knowledge, that can't be dumb.

EXACTLY!!