Questions regarding DO

[CJLaw]

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Originally posted by group_theory
To CJ2DOC,

Good luck with the admission process. Fortunately, PA has a boat load of schools (PCOM, LECOM, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Temple, Drexel MCP/Hahnemann, Jefferson, UPenn). Just curious - why aren't you considering Penn State or Drexel?

I am considering everybody. I WILL go to any school that accepts me. My list is just a reference tool in case I am lucky enough to have multiple acceptances. Again my list will probably change when I visit the campuses, take location into consideration, etc. But for now this works for me.

Dude you must be really bright or really stupid, I?m thinking just really stupid. It is offensive for you to put U. Penn and PCOM in your top 5 rankings. U. Penn has an average mcat of 34-35, while PCOM has an average mcat of 24-25, I don?t know you, but I?m pretty sure you won?t be given this as a choice to make. $hit I could?ve not even taken the verbal section on the mcat and still scored higher then PCOMs? average.

Dude, you're an a$$. I am mature and experienced enough that I don't pay much attention to numbers. I observe and formulate decisions based on my own personal prefrences--that's what adults do. If I lived my life by averages, I'd still be living in Coaltown, PA working as a welder for $9.00, with 5 kids and an addiction to alcohol, instead of where I am today.

BTW, someone with your user profile shouldn't be deeming others on an anonymous message board stupid when you don't know anything about them. You know what I'm saying, pimpdaddy homeslice?

 

[INeedAdvice]

What the pho


Your sig is hilarious.

Who said it?

Before another anal premed gets their panties in a bunch
and jumps on my niggity niggity nutz about my spelling and grammar.
Ask yourself, do you think I give a flyin phuck?
So what if my grammer and spelling is bad on the internet.
To bad almost all test in med school and boards are multiple choice.
So check my grammar and spelling on this mcat 35L (7VR,13PS,15BS).
English is not my primary language, so eat me.

 

[skypilot]

Someone who kicked a$$ at PCOM and ended up doing their residency at Hopkins or someone who got into Boston University, barely made it through and did their residency at some low volume allopathic hospital in the middle of nowhere? There are DOs doing their surgical residencies at Hopkins.

 

[oceandocDO]

Before another anal premed gets their panties in a bunch and jumps on my niggity niggity nutz about my spelling and grammar.
Ask yourself, do you think I give a flyin phuck?
So what if my grammer and spelling is bad on the internet.
To bad almost all test in med school and boards are multiple choice.
So check my grammar and spelling on this mcat 35L (7VR,13PS,15BS).
English is not my primary language, so eat me.

Dont take this personally, but you're just what we need. Another brillant doctor in this country who cant speak english. People like you belong beside a bench, not a bed. Ya know what, here's some news... patients dont come in with multiple choice questions tatooted on their chests, so brush up on the English and find a new attitude. Some attending is gonna have a field day with you in a few years, hope it's me. 😉

out.

 

[What the pho]

Originally posted by oceandocDO
Dont take this personally, but you're just what we need. Another brillant doctor in this country who cant speak english. People like you belong beside a bench, not a bed. Ya know what, here's some news... patients dont come in with multiple choice questions tatooted on their chests, so brush up on the English and find a new attitude. Some attending is gonna have a field day with you in a few years, hope it's me. 😉

out.

Sorry, I don't plan on doing a primary care res at a DO hospital, those are for idiots like you who couldn't get into a MD school or a MD residency. How correct my grammar and spelling on the internet have nothing to do with my ability to problem solve and diagnose, so do as my signature says, and eat me. Oceandichead.

 

[oceandocDO]

Grow up chief. Do you have any idea how dumb you sound?

 

[pathdr2b]

Originally posted by CJ2Doc
You know what I'm saying, pimpdaddy homeslice?

Originally posted by oceandocDO
Dont take this personally, but you're just what we need. Another brillant doctor in this country who cant speak english. People like you belong beside a bench, not a bed.

This joint is hilarious!

By the way, I'm also applying to Penn and PCOM. I guess that makes me a stupid idiot too🙄

 

[womansurg]

You both sound kind of dumb. Cut it out.

 

[DW]

Originally posted by womansurg
You both sound kind of dumb. Cut it out.

This comment summarizes about 90 percent of threads in SDN history

 

[irlandesa]

Originally posted by DW
This comment summarizes about 90 percent of threads in SDN history

only 90%! I'd go with 99.5%..😀

actually, the name calling often goes in both directions, and some of the DO and DO students on here can be very arrogant as well. I chose to go allopathic not because of the MD or b/c of the prestige, but b/c I felt that the schools which accepted me had more facilities, opportunities, and resources than DO schools, which tend to be less recognized and less well-funded. I also agree more with the MD approach to disease, where the history and physical are usually the hot ticket when it comes to diagnosis, while DO's seem to focus more on eliminating less likely problems first with technology and physical diagnosis tests from what I hear. A number of the DO students also seem to think that the insurance companies and the hospital administration are not going to crawl up their @$$ for ordering expensive tests upfront to rule out extremely unlikely conditions. Well, it may be unfair, but sorry guys, you've got another thing coming once you hit the wards, as do any pre-MD's who think this way. This is not to say I believe you should worry about cost when someone is in acute distress, but it is an issue for the patient b/c insurance companies can be jack@$$es at times.. And everyone is right, it makes no difference whether or not you are an MD or DO, come residency time there will be attendings who will make your life hell regardless of the letters in front of your name..

if I had to do it again I would still go MD, even if we are supposed to be arrogant tools..🙂

 

[oceandocDO]

I also agree more with the MD approach to disease, where the history and physical are usually the hot ticket when it comes to diagnosis, while DO's seem to focus more on eliminating less likely problems first with technology and physical diagnosis tests from what I hear. A number of the DO students also seem to think that the insurance companies and the hospital administration are not going to crawl up their @$$ for ordering expensive tests upfront to rule out extremely unlikely conditions

Interesting. Regarding the two "theories", this has been discussed ad nauseum in different threads, but I have never heard of the contributions you offer. In fact, I would very much disagree with your statement of D.O.s ordering more diagnostic tests. The whole reason D.O. students spend about 300 more hours in didactic class and the phys diagnosis laboratory than MD students is to learn to diagnose with their hands, not a machine. While the statistical, double-blinded jury is out as to the overall efficacy of OMM, the disgnostic power of palpation has never been disputed, by MD or DO alike. There's a few hundred pages in Bates on palpation, and palpation is the foundation of OMM. As for the rest of OMM, think of it as physical therapy, nothing more, nothing less. Dont discount it, because your patients wont. I guarantee it.

In my opinion, the two "theories" of medicine differ in that the allopathic model really has no theory, or at least one that can be articulated. If you can explain what being an allopath means, please do. I'm not sure you know, nor do most premeds. Look up the definition of the word "allopath". While both ideologies have grown towards each other over the past 30 years, ie, allopathic medicine has become more holistic and osteopathic medicine has grown more specialized, both theories depend heavily on the H&P and their differences in practice, albeit from a layperson's viewpoint are less striking than ever, are surely not defined by what you outline above.

 

[cg1]

What the pho - OK, since everyone's asking you questions, here's mine. 😀 13 and 15 are damn good on your MCAT. You said that English isn't your primary language. What's your first language?

 

[jwin]

Originally posted by oceandocDO
Dont take this personally, but you're just what we need. Another brillant doctor in this country who cant speak english. People like you belong beside a bench, not a bed. Ya know what, here's some news... patients dont come in with multiple choice questions tatooted on their chests, so brush up on the English and find a new attitude. Some attending is gonna have a field day with you in a few years, hope it's me. 😉

out.

I would personally prefer a brilliant doctor performing cardiothoracic surgery on my family members than a mediocre doctor with excellent English.

 

[oceandocDO]

I would personally prefer a brilliant doctor performing cardiothoracic surgery on my family members than a mediocre doctor with excellent English.

Likewise, but we're all not going to be cardiothoracic surgeons, actually less than 0.5% of us will. Now, granted, certain specialties require less communicative skills than others, but speaking the english language effectively is essential to practicing good medicine. If you dont believe me now, you will.

It really wasnt the english I was attacking from this poster anyway. I was honestly just kinda appauled at the unprofessionalism of a future doctor. Granted my response wasnt all that professional either, but at times you fight fire with fire. I had similar scores coming out of college and while I chose the road less travelled in going to a D.O. institution, I would have been very embarassed with myself if I acted in such a manner. Just an opinion. Take it for what you will.

 

[womansurg]

Originally posted by jwin
I would personally prefer a brilliant doctor performing cardiothoracic surgery on my family members than a mediocre doctor with excellent English.

Yeah, but whom would you want performing your mother's annual breast exams, screening you dad for depression, managing your grandmother's diet controlled diabetes, counseling your 16 year old daughter on safe sex and performing her first pelvic exam?

 

[What the pho]

Originally posted by cg1
What the pho - OK, since everyone's asking you questions, here's mine. 😀 13 and 15 are damn good on your MCAT. You said that English isn't your primary language. What's your first language?

My primary language is math and science j/k. For real though I can read and write in Cantonese, and Mandarin, and I can speak in Vietnamese fluently. As for English I?m getting the hang of it as you can tell.

Ocean
I don?t think it well affect my ability to be a skilled physician. At my interviews I?ve been interviewed by many East Indian, Asian and European doctors with harder to understand accents then mine, and I?m sure they are great physicians or they wouldn?t be on faculty/attending at some of these top 20 schools. I'm sure even at your DO school there are some faculty who are Indian or Chinese, who you can't understand worth a lick, but are probably great physicians. Like one poster said I?d rather have a brilliant doctor w/bad English perform surgery than and idiot doc w/great English, who can't tell the difference between an aorta and an a$$hole.

 

[oceandocDO]

Likewise, we all want great doctors, but the average Joe Public on the street will choose a great doc who speaks great english rather than another great doctor who doesnt. In other words, you make it sound like a requirement to being a good physician is to speak bad english.

Many, including some in this very thread, say that the verbal score of the MCAT is the best predictor of clinical and board scores successes and and that's because the verbal and written portions test your ability to comprehend and to communicate, which are of the utmost importance in clinical, not textbook, medicine. I had impressive MCATs as well, and lemme tell ya, they dont mean $hit when it comes to learning and retaining real medicine to real patients. The MCAT tests your ability to work under stress and study hard. The exam isnt rocket science, it's very basic science. So, congrats on your score, but if you think there arent other factors that determine clinical success and patient retention, you're crazy.

 

[What the pho]

Originally posted by womansurg
Yeah, but whom would you want performing your mother's annual breast exams, screening you dad for depression, managing your grandmother's diet controlled diabetes, counseling your 16 year old daughter on safe sex and performing her first pelvic exam?

Yes communication with your patient is very important in those roles I won?t deny that. So if I did want to do those things I would do it in an immigrant community where I could speak the same language as my patients.

Ocean
I've never said bad english is needed to be a good doctor. I'm just saying even though my english is bad I'll stilll be okay. You're the one who is saying bad english=bad doctor. So check yo self be 4 yo reck yo self.

 

[zer0el]

what the pho, for future reference there's no such thing as reading and writing Cantonese and Mandarin. i assume you meant u can speak both and can read and write Chinese? if so, thats amazing that ur fluent in two Chinese dialects as well as Vietnamese.

 

[What the pho]

Originally posted by zer0el
what the pho, for future reference there's no such thing as reading and writing Cantonese and Mandarin. i assume you meant u can speak both and can read and write Chinese? if so, thats amazing that ur fluent in two Chinese dialects as well as Vietnamese.

Yes that's what I meant, I'm Vietnamese by blood, but grew up in hong kong so I had to learn mainly Cantonese to get by, and a little Mandarin. I can still speak vietnamese but can't write in it.

 

[tkim]

Originally posted by What the pho
Yes that's what I meant, I'm Vietnamese by blood, but grew up in hong kong so I had to learn mainly Cantonese to get by, and a little Mandarin. I can still speak vietnamese but can't write in it.

Pho - those noodles are awesome. There's a place in Mass called Pho Pasteur - the smells from there make me drool.

Anyway, I'm done with the people bashing each other here, but I have to point out, that WTP communicates well enough in English, and he also knows a couple more languages to boot.

Fluency in multiple languages is a good skill, and should come in handy while working as a physician. Frankly, I'm jealous.

- Tae

 

[merlin17]

mmm...pho pasteur...so good =)