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chilon85 said:I was reading about the various DO schools and was wondering if there is any official or unofficial website that shows how they are ranked? If not, what do you guys think are the top 5 DO Schools?
docmd2010 said:in my humble opinion, i don't think you can quantify the top five against each other, but i'd say the "best five" (and not necessarily in this order)
MSU
OSU
DMU
KCUMB
The school in texas
JonnyG said:This can only end in a mess.
I am basing this on match lists and board pass rates.
These are the top 5 DO schools in order (in my opinion)
1. TCOM (out does all schools in texas on USMLE)
davidrossms1 said:I am basing this on match lists and board pass rates.
These are the top 5 DO schools in order (in my opinion)
1. TCOM (out does all schools in texas on USMLE)
2. MSU (one of top schools in country for primary care)
3. OSU (100% pass rate on comlex)
4. Touro-Nevada (Rotation sites are unbelievable, has one of nations top surgical research facilities "MERIN" medical education research facility of nevada)
5. DMU and Midwestern in Arizona tie at my fifth.
chilon85 said:I was reading about the various DO schools and was wondering if there is any official or unofficial website that shows how they are ranked? If not, what do you guys think are the top 5 DO Schools?
FutureNavyDOc said:I've heard the rumor that OSU doesn't allow students to take COMLEX until the school feels they are ready to pass it.
I think U.S. News isn't worth the paper it is written on.I think U.S. News isn't worth the paper it is written on.
FutureNavyDOc said:I've heard the rumor that OSU doesn't allow students to take COMLEX until the school feels they are ready to pass it.
chilon85 said:I was reading about the various DO schools and was wondering if there is any official or unofficial website that shows how they are ranked? If not, what do you guys think are the top 5 DO Schools?
wook said:Bottom line...rankings are arbitrary. There is NO top school. Each class' pass rate is dependent on its members. Some years many do well, others not so well. This is a very subjective question dependent on each person's educational and geographical needs.
It's a reasonable question, but even things like US News rankings are pretty arbitrary when you start looking at how they derived their list.
Wook
adding to the blacksheep thing....we also are in the bottom 20 or so med schools in the country (MD and DO) for placing graduates into primary care.....(ie the majority of our students specialize)JonnyG said:This can only end in a mess. CCOM and PCOM are highly praised but they are also considered black sheep in the osteopathic community because of their close allopathic ties due to their location in two big cities.
chilon85 said:I was reading about the various DO schools and was wondering if there is any official or unofficial website that shows how they are ranked? If not, what do you guys think are the top 5 DO Schools?
davidrossms1 said:1. TCOM (out does all schools in texas on USMLE)
FutureNavyDOc said:OSU #2 because having Goljan alone puts you that high....
JMPeffer said:This, Goljan, person........who is he/she, and what does he/she do exactly?
FutureNavyDOc said:I've heard the rumor that OSU doesn't allow students to take COMLEX until the school feels they are ready to pass it.
While I feel there is nothing wrong with this practice and I think it is a great idea, it makes the 100% pass rate less impressive. DMU makes all students take the COMLEX and doesn't prevent anyone from doing so.
I must also admit that I am jealous of OSU for having Goljan on a full time basis instead of on MP3's on their laptops like half or more of DMU students do!
As far as ranking the schools go, I would probably put the Texas school #1 based solely on their USMLE rates, OSU #2 because having Goljan alone puts you that high, followed by DMU and Kirksville in that order. This is based on my limited knowledge as these 4 and Ohio University are the only ones I know of, Ohio U would rank somewhere behind every school that has been around for more than 2 years and just barely ahead of the new ones.
chilon85 said:I was reading about the various DO schools and was wondering if there is any official or unofficial website that shows how they are ranked? If not, what do you guys think are the top 5 DO Schools?
davidrossms1 said:I am basing this on match lists and board pass rates.
These are the top 5 DO schools in order (in my opinion)
1. TCOM (out does all schools in texas on USMLE)
2. MSU (one of top schools in country for primary care)
3. OSU (100% pass rate on comlex)
4. Touro-Nevada (Rotation sites are unbelievable, has one of nations top surgical research facilities "MERIN" medical education research facility of nevada)
5. DMU and Midwestern in Arizona tie at my fifth.
star22 said:Does everyone at TCOM take the USMLE?
Are DO schools that have two medical schools associated with its name vary that greatly.chilon85 said:I was reading about the various DO schools and was wondering if there is any official or unofficial website that shows how they are ranked? If not, what do you guys think are the top 5 DO Schools?
FutureNavyDOc said:As far as ranking the schools go, I would probably put the Texas school #1 based solely on their USMLE rates, OSU #2 because having Goljan alone puts you that high, followed by DMU and Kirksville in that order. This is based on my limited knowledge as these 4 and Ohio University are the only ones I know of, Ohio U would rank somewhere behind every school that has been around for more than 2 years and just barely ahead of the new ones.
andi_cvr said:Remember that the state schools don't take many out of state students. It doesn't really matter if TCOM is a great school. If you aren't from Texas, you probably won't even get an interview.
mshheaddoc said:For what I want in an osteopathic school, I prefer the smaller class size. So my rankings would be biased. Additionally I also look at affliated hospitals and rotation requirements. Then I factor into financial aid.
mshheaddoc said:UNECOM/NYCOM - don't know much about it but the location isn't for me most likely , additionally the cost of NYCOM and living is a turnoff.
misparas said:I thought that and didn't apply there. However a friend of mine from Utah, with no ties to texas, applied and was accepted. He had like a 24 MCAT and a 3.2 science gpa. Therefore.... give it a shot. You never know.
FYI - I think he decided to go to AZCOM
scpod said:BTW, did anyone notice that this list based entirely on arbitrary criteria closely resembles the top five lists of other students? What does that say about top five lists in general?
Just a thought...OSUdoc08 said:I had stats way higher than that, am a Texas resident, and my only interview in Texas was at Baylor. I didn't even hear from TCOM.
They are very inconsistent on who they interview.
HemaOncoDoc said:Otherwise, why would a DO school take up a set for someone who would probably matriculate to an MD school?
Because DO schools want to matriculate good students who have a vested interest in becoming a DO versus an MD. Would you matriculate someone who wasn't interested in your field or didn't even know about it? IMO, DO schools want their numbers to increase, but not at the expense of compromising their integrity.scpod said:Because they are numbers ******, just like allopathic schools. If two candidates are equal in all ways except for the numbers, then the one with higher numbers wins. The only quantitative way that students have to compare each other is with GPA and MCAT. The qualitative factors can't be measured. The same goes for med schools. So...the desire is to get those as hogh as possible. Plus, there are several studies now that show a correlation between performance on the boards and MCAT scores. Board scores are that other big comparison that med schools have. Why wouldn't they want to increase their chances?
HemaOncoDoc said:IMO, DO schools want their numbers to increase, but not at the expense of compromising their integrity.
I was merely trying to account for the students with high GPA and MCAT who did not receive an interview or an acceptance at DO schools, but got interviews/acceptances from MD schools. I do understand that in order for DO schools to keep in business, they need to increase their numbers. That's a given.scpod said:Then you know very little about the business side of DO schools. The bottom line is more important than anything else. If you lose money, you have no school, regarless of the "non-profit" status. It might be nice to sit back and think that DO schools are wonderful, philosophical places who would do anything to ensure the integrity of the DO curiculum. Most of them, though, are medical schools who also teach OMT. They ALL want the top students with the best scores. This is the real world and, although there are some exceptions, it's all about the numbers.
Most people have no idea what a DO is. Most pre-meds have no idea what a DO is, but they learn quickly that you can get into one with a lower GPA and MCAT score. It would be wonderful if everyone who went to a DO school did so because of the philosophy, but that isn't true-- it's not even close. Most people still go to a DO school because they couldn't get into an MD school. Hopefully, with time, that will change. But, that time is not now.
HemaOncoDoc said:I agree that most premeds and those applying to medical schools do not know about the DO philosophy. That is why many DO schools recommend/require a LOR from a DO doctor.
I whole-heartedly agree. At this point, I'm just having a hard time deciding which ones to apply to. The forums are only somewhat helpful because most of the ratings are biased based on an applicant's individual preferences. I'm really interested in Tuoro-MI, but not many people know about it. Onto the osteopathic threads for me.scpod said:I wish that they ALL would absolutely require it. Unfortunately, they can't afford to do that because they would lose a lot of qualified applicants-- specifically those who use DO schools as a backup. It's really amazing just how many threads get started these days about "How do I get a DO letter, and WHY do I have to do that?" You see it over and over and over as if it's the hardest thing in the world to understand or do, but it's not.
NRAI2001 said:From reading a lot on sdn and looking at match lists for all the schools I would say:
-CCOM
-PCOM
-NYCOM
-Western COMP
-Tour Nevada
I just dont see how TCOM has "amazing" matches?
I'm just wondering how they came up with those numbers. I don't see the criteria behind it.RuDownWithOPP said:This info is available to everyone on SDN. Go to the SDN home page, then scroll down on the left you will see tab "ALL STUDENTS", then click on school rankings, you guys can figure out the rest... enjoy.
1 Oklahoma State University for Health Sciences College of Osteopathic Medicine 9.13
2 Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine 8.71
3 Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine at Philadelphia 8.66
4 Des Moines University College of Osteopathic Medicine 8.43
5 University of North Texas HSC Texas College of Osteopathic Medicine 8.33
6 A.T. Still University Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine 8.27
7 Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine 8.25
8 Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine of Midwestern University 8.23
9 Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine at Atlanta 8.2
10 University of New England College of Osteopathic Medicine 8.14
11 UMDNJ School of Osteopathic Medicine 8.12
12 Arizona College of Osteopathic Medicine of Midwestern University 7.97
13 West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine 7.96
14 Edward Via Virginia College of Osteopathic Medicine 7.94
15 Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences College of Osteopathic Medicine 7.67
16 Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine at Bradenton 7.67
17 Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine at Erie 7.62
18 Nova Southeastern University College of Osteopathic Medicine 7.6
19 Pikeville College School of Osteopathic Medicine 7.55
20 Touro University College of Osteopathic Medicine, Las Vegas 7.54
21 New York College of Osteopathic Medicine of the New York Institute of Technology 7.53
22 Western University College of Osteopathic Medicine of the Pacific 6.62
23 Touro University College of Osteopathic Medicine, Mare Island 6.49
HemaOncoDoc said:I'm just wondering how they came up with those numbers. I don't see the criteria behind it.