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DiveMD

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I finally got my Release from Active Duty (RAD) request approved by BUPERS!!! I am out of the Navy in JULY 08 (hopefully earlier with terminal leave) and starting my ophthalmology residency at the same time!!! Complete and surreal happiness is only 6 months away!!!🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂😀

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DiveMD said:
I finally got my Release from Active Duty (RAD) request approved by BUPERS!!! I am out of the Navy in JULY 08 (hopefully earlier with terminal leave) and starting my ophthalmology residency at the same time!!! Complete and surreal happiness is only 6 months away!!!🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂😀

DiveMD
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congrats!!!!
 
DiveMD said:
starting my ophthalmology residency at the same time!!! Complete and surreal happiness is only 6 months away!!!🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂😀
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And oh yeah, congrats on also getting into an ophthalmology residency. That said, most pgy2 ophthalmology residents don't describe the year as "complete and surreal happiness" :meanie:

go buy kanski and start reading right now!!!!!! :meanie:
 
Got my REFRAD paperwork completed a few months ago, have my orders and started "clearing" the army last week. It is very liberating.

Now...the possibly $300,000 question HPSP or not. (tuition 160k, stipend 90k, other fees/books/saved loan interest 50k)

Please make it stop 🙂
 
I'll start my outprocessing checklist next week. Now the primary goal is to fly under the radar and keep from getting paperwork or otherwise pissing off management so I can quietly slip away in 150 days. Still holding my breath, however, wondering if/when they are going to try to cancel my terminal leave.
 
BomberDoc said:
I'll start my outprocessing checklist next week. Now the primary goal is to fly under the radar and keep from getting paperwork or otherwise pissing off management so I can quietly slip away in 150 days. Still holding my breath, however, wondering if/when they are going to try to cancel my terminal leave.
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They made me change my terminal leave twice already...I was going to start it next week, now it is the week after...guess I will have days of leave to sell back.

I really would like to fly under the radar for the next few years while I am on IRR status...I see no reason to get called back up unless it is on my terms...
 
Mirror Form said:
And oh yeah, congrats on also getting into an ophthalmology residency. That said, most pgy2 ophthalmology residents don't describe the year as "complete and surreal happiness" :meanie:

go buy kanski and start reading right now!!!!!! :meanie:
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Anything is better than Navy Medicine my fellow SDN-er.

BTW, already got the Kanski.👍
 
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deuist said:
Congrats to both of you for getting out. By the way, what's the cost of selling back vacation days if terminal leave is rejected?
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Thanks. The light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter and brighter each day... and it doesn't look like a train anymore.

You sell back at base pay rate only. The way I look at it is that time off while getting paid base pay + BAH + BAS + VSP + FLY is a lot better than working up to the end of your commitment and getting a check for a few thousand dollars. It will feel fantastic to be free and be able to do some travel before starting residency.
 
I got the first indication today that the nazi nurses that run our system are going to try to revoke my terminal leave. Middle management nazi nurse wanted to see my orders so she could verify my Date Of Separation. This was immediately after a manning meeting where she would have seen my name on the projected losses slide. I'll be going around her to the CC tomorrow.

Does anybody have any experience making an IG or Congressional complaint based on denying terminal leave to an honorable dischargee? I'd love to know if there is a precedent out there somewhere.
 
BomberDoc said:
I got the first indication today that the nazi nurses that run our system are going to try to revoke my terminal leave. Middle management nazi nurse wanted to see my orders so she could verify my Date Of Separation. This was immediately after a manning meeting where she would have seen my name on the projected losses slide. I'll be going around her to the CC tomorrow.

Does anybody have any experience making an IG or Congressional complaint based on denying terminal leave to an honorable dischargee? I'd love to know if there is a precedent out there somewhere.
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Buy a cheap nonrefundable ticket (with a liberal cancellation policy) since you currently have approved leave. Then, if they ask to change your leave, use that as your crutch for why you can't change it. Also, anyone can approve leave but denial authority rests with the CO. You can always ask to see him/her if that occurs. But...in the end, there is no obligation for them to give you terminal leave.
 
Is terminal leave diffucult to get or often revoked? Selling days back would really be unfair. If it wasn't allowed or terminal leave was revoked, I would try to use all the leave days up in the 6 months.
 
met19 said:
Is terminal leave diffucult to get or often revoked? Selling days back would really be unfair. If it wasn't allowed or terminal leave was revoked, I would try to use all the leave days up in the 6 months.
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Yes, selling back leave is a huge loss for active duty. This is why the military pushes so hard for you to do exactly that. How can you use all of your leave when you are the only doctor in the clinic??? Therein lies the rub. Since it is official policy that medics will never again exceed 50% manning, and half of your docs are deployed at any given time, that means you will be sitting solo for the majority of your GMO/FS payback. Explain to me how the only doc in clinic can take leave again............
 
Ah, the donut of misery. It should come preloaded on every military computer.

The coven of nurses is displeased... terminal leave is back on, for now. Won a battle, but must keep fighting the war.
 
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The donut is useful for more than just the military. I use it to track my progress through third year, and I started spreading the program to several residents. I know of one person who is using the doughnut for her internship.
 
deuist said:
The donut is useful for more than just the military. I use it to track my progress through third year, and I started spreading the program to several residents. I know of one person who is using the doughnut for her internship.
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True, but there is no misery like the misery of a Navy GMO.👎
 
DiveMD said:
This is a useful tool to track your time served...😀

HAPPY DIVEMD
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sweet! question tho-- what is "per diem" and "fam sep"-- i took those out and it changes the numbers. aren't those pays? 😕

my donut is almost entirely red. i can GTFU in 2015. ugh.,

--your friendly neighborhood depressed caveman
 
As soon as I completed my eight year service military service obligation, I resigned my commission. I remember the joy I felt when I received my honorable discharge in the mail. Good luck in your civilian career.
 
exPCM said:
As soon as I completed my eight year service military service obligation, I resigned my commission. I remember the joy I felt when I received my honorable discharge in the mail. Good luck in your civilian career.
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Rog. Will be sure to reset and rename the donut of not-so-much misery in order to reflect the 4 years of IRR which will also be my 4 years of residency.

I will start working down the outprocessing checklist in January. It gives me something to do while trying to avoid real work as much as possible for the next few months.
 
Decided to resurrect this thread since things are apparently moving along with my separation paperwork. I guess the military finally figured out that I wasn't happy and only now that I have the option to get out they have decided to court me.

Today I get an email from some young airman extolling the virtues of staying in the wonderful world of military medicine. "Are you aware of the generous bonus opportunities available if you sign a multi-year contract?" He goes on to explain that I MUST speak to him in order to separate because he has a box to sign off my outprocessing checklist.

Also, the assignments officer from AFPC left a message on my phone today telling me he has all sorts of great overseas openings... Italy, Germany, England, Japan, and some sweet CONUS spots as well, if I am willing to stay a few more years.

My immediate reaction was rage at their audacity... then the calm that comes with knowing I have beaten them.
 
I already scheduled my STAP (Separation Transition Assistance Program) for March. It's a 4 day mandatory seminar that will keep me away from the clinic for almost a full week. Sweet!!!!
 
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IlDestriero said:
Dive,
Bring a copy of your CV to the class and tell them that you already signed a contract for a job and you can excuse yourself out of all the lectures that you are not interested in (most). Still out of clinic and a half day of TAPs as well ... sweeter! I attended less than 1.5 days out of the 4 "required". Just make sure that you discuss this with the TAPs office first, so that they know that your name will not be on the sign in roster for the classes that would be a waste of your time. My TAPs guys were fine with that, they understand that MDs and marines have different needs. They also offered to send me to San Diego for the ?command level class? (05-6) but the timing would not work out. I heard that that is potentially more useful as they cover contract negotiation, and some other things that are more appropriate for a physician. Consider looking into one of these classes if you can get into one.
Congrats on your impending separation.:clap:
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Thank you!
 
that must feel wonderful
 
Rock on! Now make sure to drag out your separation process as long as possible. Transition Assistance classes are a great way to kill clinic days. Sign up for all of them and bring a magazine.
 
Terminal leave update: Megalomaniac middle management nurse convinces upper management nurse that giving terminal leave to doctors is a bad idea. Upper management nurse wrings her clawed hands diabolically and calls me to the office for a meeting. I remind her that her commander and her commander's commander already signed the leave paperwork and intend to honor it.

Megalomaniac middle management nurse and upper management nurse continue to formulate evil plots to further destroy morale and productivity in the desolate wasteland that is military medicine.

I go back to counting down the days until I can escape from this nightmare.
 
BomberDoc said:
Terminal leave update: Megalomaniac middle management nurse convinces upper management nurse that giving terminal leave to doctors is a bad idea. Upper management nurse wrings her clawed hands diabolically and calls me to the office for a meeting. I remind her that her commander and her commander's commander already signed the leave paperwork and intend to honor it.

Megalomaniac middle management nurse and upper management nurse continue to formulate evil plots to further destroy morale and productivity in the desolate wasteland that is military medicine.

I go back to counting down the days until I can escape from this nightmare.
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You’ll prevail, hopefully!

HPSP wannabes: Learn from BomberDoc’s experience. Military medicine pretty much guarantees an immediate leadership comprised of non-peers. With very little sympathy and understanding of your career; do not expect a lot of support when you want to make the necessary moves to get a residency of choice, CME’s, additional medical education or leave. All these nurses and admin weenies (MSC) care for is covering their asses and stuffing their FITREP’s with BS at the expense of the junior medical officers. Again, stay away from the incompetence and red tape of military medicine.

DiveMD
136 days to go...👍
 
Update:

I submitted my terminal leave request in late January 08. It has not been approved yet…😱

Seriously, who the hell wants to join a system that has ZERO sympathy for an individual's career? I am supposed to start my civilian residency in July 1; but to some people in my chain of command this date has a "+/- 1 month" attached to it. IOW, starting my residency on time is totally optional and will be decided by a couple of MSC and a nurse. :scared: Do you really think they understand the reality of medical education, the sacrifice, the years of effort? Do you think my professional welfare and advancement will be on the top of their priorities during the decision making process? I am pretty much down on bended knees begging for mercy in the same way a criminal would beg for parole.

Again, I fulfilled my part of the HPSP contract but the Navy is having a very difficult time fulfilling theirs. STAY AWAY future med students!!! This system is completely malignant!!!:barf:

More updates to come.

98 days to go if lucky...
 
I am feeling the pain that some of you on this thread are as well......The phrases "involuntary extension","forced to sell back your leave","needs of the Navy" haunt my dreams every night.

I have done my time and fullfilled all my obligations. My terminal leave is getting denied. Househunting TAD is a wish and a prayer. My MSC/NC bosses are counting the missed RVU's if I am to leave on-time. Prisoners get better treatment than this!

- fellow doormatt
 
ILUvRVUs said:
Prisoners get better treatment than this!
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Absolute truth.

Yeah, househunting is done on your own time. There is no permissive TDY/TAD for this. It is optional, which means the nurses who write their OPR/FITREPs based on the number of RVUs you generate will have you work that extra week or two in order to pad their already padded numbers.

No threats here lately on the terminal leave issue. I wonder what the coven is planning...
 
Good news! My terminal leave request was approved by my COC! Now starts the waiting game...😎

DiveMD
95 days to go...:banana:
 
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ILUvRVUs said:
I am feeling the pain that some of you on this thread are as well......The phrases "involuntary extension","forced to sell back your leave","needs of the Navy" haunt my dreams every night.

I have done my time and fullfilled all my obligations. My terminal leave is getting denied. Househunting TAD is a wish and a prayer. My MSC/NC bosses are counting the missed RVU's if I am to leave on-time. Prisoners get better treatment than this!

- fellow doormatt
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Good luck to you in this painful process!!! :luck:
 
Congrats Dive MD!

If only we could all be so fortunate!

Still waiting.......
 
Is this a problem Navy wide?

DiveMD, Hooyah Terminal leave! Me next!
 
Still waiting for the result of my terminal leave requests. Another manning meeting and the nurse boss is scheming to keep me as long as possible.

For now, I will walk into the building and spend the next 11 hours maintaining the will to live.

"Why don't you go on ahead and come on in on saturday......same time.....and how about sunday!"
 
It happened today. Nurse commander is on the warpath to revoke my terminal leave which was already granted by her commander's commander.

Time to get medieval on her @ss. More to follow in the next few days...
 
This whole "General Nurse" system is beyond me.

Is there any solution?

BomberDoc said:
It happened today. Nurse commander is on the warpath to revoke my terminal leave which was already granted by her commander's commander.

Time to get medieval on her @ss. More to follow in the next few days...
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Coastie said:
This whole "General Nurse" system is beyond me.

Is there any solution?
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No. There is no solution. Since the vast majority of us get out, the only sludge left at the bottom of the barrel is the nurse corps. This means that they will advance into command because nobody else is left. If you want to avoid psycho megalomaniac nurses who will micromanage you into the ground, don't join the fcuking military. Period.
 
Terminal Leave form signed (photocopied for records) and turned in at MPF/Finance. Final out = 30 April.

It was a very productive workday.

Tiny piece of advice:
Never delete any email that a nurse sends. Do a memo for record anytime you have a conversation with a nurse. Keep copious documentation of their shady actions, favoritism, and retribution. Accumulate enough of these things and eventually you will catch them doing something illegal or unethical. When they try to do illegal or unethical things to you, either show it to the nurse or show it to the IG. When the nurse realizes its career and the next rank are jeopardized, it will see you mean business and stop screwing with you.
 
BomberDoc said:
Terminal Leave form signed (photocopied for records) and turned in at MPF/Finance. Final out = 30 April.

It was a very productive workday.

Tiny piece of advice:
Never delete any email that a nurse sends. Do a memo for record anytime you have a conversation with a nurse. Keep copious documentation of their shady actions, favoritism, and retribution. Accumulate enough of these things and eventually you will catch them doing something illegal or unethical. When they try to do illegal or unethical things to you, either show it to the nurse or show it to the IG. When the nurse realizes its career and the next rank are jeopardized, it will see you mean business and stop screwing with you.
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Congrats! Finally good news for you. Time to GTFO!!!!
 
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