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We don't have a rad onc board; we have a rad onc mafia! Watch out for your kneecaps Simul!


The Twitter rad onc sheeple people blast us on SDN for posting anonymously. Folks, there's been a hidden agenda here all along. Never has it been more obvious. According to the entrenched in rad onc, anyone who does not tow the party line should be and will be punished. Stick to the truth and keep yourself hidden.

There is a SERIOUS culture problem in this specialty.
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We don't have a rad onc board; we have a rad onc mafia! Watch out for your kneecaps Simul!


The Twitter rad onc sheeple people blast us on SDN for posting anonymously. Folks, there's been a hidden agenda here all along. Never has it been more obvious. According to the entrenched in rad onc, anyone who does not tow the party line should be and will be punished. Stick to the truth and keep yourself hidden.

There is a SERIOUS culture problem in this specialty.
This is just going along with the incoming millennial-era zeitgeist. Don't agree with the party line spouted by the mob? Have some questions about the so-called "facts" and "science"? Simply have a different opinion or want to point out a logical fallacy? We will doxx you, completely misrepresent what you are trying to say, call you horrible names, drag your name through the mud, boycott or literally burn down your business, get you fired, make all your friends and family hate and disown you, etc. Maybe your local politician or news outlet will stand up for your rights to speak up? Good luck. They know the mob will vote them out and cancel the subscriptions if they don't go along.

Yeah, this is going to end well for us. Mob rule and witch burning always end well.

Can't there at least be a silver lining in all the noxious social media rancor permeating off everyone's smartphones such that Wallner and the institutional problems at the ABR are finally taken down in the wake of level 5 Twitter woke-ness? Pretty please?
 

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This is just going along with the incoming millennial-era zeitgeist. Don't agree with the party line spouted by the mob? Have some questions about the so-called "facts" and "science"? Simply have a different opinion or want to point out a logical fallacy? We will doxx you, completely misrepresent what you are trying to say, call you horrible names, drag your name through the mud, boycott or literally burn down your business, get you fired, make all your friends and family hate and disown you, etc. Maybe your local politician or news outlet will stand up for your rights to speak up? Good luck. They know the mob will vote them out and cancel the subscriptions if they don't go along.

Yeah, this is going to end well for us. Mob rule and witch burning always end well.

Can't there at least be a silver lining in all the noxious social media rancor permeating off everyone's smartphones such that Wallner and the institutional problems at the ABR are finally taken down in the wake of level 5 Twitter woke-ness? Pretty please?
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We need that Wallner letter to put him to the media and to Twitter court of public opinion. The public is waiting for its chance to jump on healthcare pro’s and Wallner is the ideal guy to fill this void. Bc of covid people are laying off healthcare but it’s time to put WallnerS crap out to the world. Let’s do what we need to to get that letter
 

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Would love to see the letter, but wondering why Simul is asking for it not to be leaked?
He is currently hiding the letter somewhere in the Rockies between New Mexico and Montana. He’s also writing a poem with clues that lead the reader on an elaborate search to the letter’s whereabouts.

Nick Cage is playing the letter hunting protagonist in the movie; working title American Board of Redemption. Rest of cast TBD.
 
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Would love to see the letter, but wondering why Simul is asking for it not to be leaked?
agreed. To get out stench, you need to open up doors and blinds. Transparency and publically exposing people is the way to go. Keeping things “in house” “no leaks” likely ensures nothing is ever done. I know multiple people with the letters but none will share with me! All will only tell me contents. Someone needs to leak this.
 

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This is all a good example for med students to be exposed to. This is the kind of stuff you potentially will be exposed to in Rad onc. People like Paul Wallner can go after you and leadership will not stand up for you publically. Think long and hard before going into Rad onc, actually don’t really spend time thinking about it just don’t do it all
 
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Simul's balls are to bravery what carbon ions are to particle therapy: quite massive compared to everything else.
The silence of the Twitter sheep to his post is deafening to me. None of the usual virtue signalers have responded to agree with or support Simul on this. It's really sad to see.
 

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The silence of the Twitter sheep to his post is deafening to me. None of the usual virtue signalers have responded to agree with or support Simul on this. It's really sad to see.
I guess, they're worried that they could find themselves on the receiving end of PW's scorn.
 
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I guess, they're worried that they could find themselves on the receiving end of PW's scorn.
For me, I will openly criticize PW after I know exactly what was said. It’s easier to call someone out of line when you have incontrovertible proof they’re out of line.

On ROHUB evidently they’ve been deleting anti ABR sentiments. That should be addressed. But I loathe ROHUB and don’t really want to get on there. But maybe I should....
 

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For me, I will openly criticize PW after I know exactly what was said. It’s easier to call someone out of line when you have incontrovertible proof they’re out of line.

On ROHUB evidently they’ve been deleting anti ABR sentiments. That should be addressed. But I loathe ROHUB and don’t really want to get on there. But maybe I should....
Think you need an astro membership?
 

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If it’s an actual legal letter sent by a lawyer, I imagine whoever received that letter probably has a lawyer advising them and I imagine the lawyer is advising them to not leak the letter. Having said, I know nothing about law myself nor anything of this letter nor anything of the person/people who received it.

Either way, we are in truly sad times. Maybe we should start a thread (in a different threat) of advice on exiting the speciality should there be people who are genuinely interested in it. Although it breaks my heart to write that. I would rather we all have decent and safe (that is not toxic) jobs that pay actual attending salaries - they don’t even have to be old school rad onc salaries because that won’t be the case for most current and future applicants. But one can’t undo reality rapidly.
 

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If it’s an actual legal letter sent by a lawyer, I imagine whoever received that letter probably has a lawyer advising them and I imagine the lawyer is advising them to not leak the letter. Having said, I know nothing about law myself nor anything of this letter nor anything of the person/people who received it.

Either way, we are in truly sad times. Maybe we should start a thread (in a different threat) of advice on exiting the speciality should there be people who are genuinely interested in it. Although it breaks my heart to write that. I would rather we all have decent and safe (that is not toxic) jobs that pay actual attending salaries - they don’t even have to be old school rad onc salaries because that won’t be the case for most current and future applicants. But one can’t undo reality rapidly.
there really are not many possibilities besides:

1) palliative care fellowship and ABR pathway
2) going back to residency (if you did a prelim, 2 more years +\- fellowship)
3) neuro onc fellowship
4) industry
5) consulting
6) leave medicine all together and start a business with your capital
7) anybody aware of anything else?

i am aggressively saving and investing. I think things will get much worst before they improve. Salaries will overall trend down for most. Some will “cheat death” but for many worst is yet to come. In the end i hope we all make a “good living” and are happy
 
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If it’s an actual legal letter sent by a lawyer, I imagine whoever received that letter probably has a lawyer advising them and I imagine the lawyer is advising them to not leak the letter. Having said, I know nothing about law myself nor anything of this letter nor anything of the person/people who received it.
guys none of us are lawyers but you share personal emails with impunity. It's a form of conversation, and you can divulge conversations you have with anybody you want (except HIPAA protected etc I guess). You can even divulge conversations with the President of the United States.
 

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On ROHUB evidently they’ve been deleting anti ABR sentiments. That should be addressed. But I loathe ROHUB and don’t really want to get on there. But maybe I should....
Are these people stupid? Deleting and threatening cant end well for them. Would also love to know who in the abr thought discipline/investigations based on anonymous complaints was perfectly reasonable and that we should be forced into agreeing to this.
 
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Well even this simul chap came on here and was like “but bro come over to twitter and out yourself and then I’ll talk to you and we have a real conversation”. Perhaps he learned. Some learn by stick, some learn by carrot.
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there really are not many possibilities besides:

1) palliative care fellowship and ABR pathway
2) going back to residency (if you did a prelim, 2 more years +\- fellowship)
3) neuro onc fellowship
4) industry
5) consulting
6) leave medicine all together and start a business with your capital
7) anybody aware of anything else?

i am aggressively saving and investing. I think things will get much worst before they improve. Salaries will overall trend down for most. Some will “cheat death” but for many worst is yet to come. In the end i hope we all make a “good living” and are happy
I was in between gigs when covid hit so I spent the time to learn Python programming to use for bioinformatics as a bail out if needed. There's a website called Coursera that for like $50 bucks a month you can access distance courses from top notch universities. I've done 3 of 5 courses from University of Michigan's Python for Everybody specialization. Its pretty basic and builds up very slowly which is great for me since programming is foreign to me.

The "nuclear option" for me is to move to The Villages in Florida or Margaritaville in Bluffton, SC and sell testosterone and cialis to horny old men then subsequently counsel them and treat the STDs they contract.
 

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I was in between gigs when covid hit so I spent the time to learn Python programming to use for bioinformatics as a bail out if needed. There's a website called Coursera that for like $50 bucks a month you can access distance courses from top notch universities. I've done 3 of 5 courses from University of Michigan's Python for Everybody specialization. Its pretty basic and builds up very slowly which is great for me since programming is foreign to me.

The "nuclear option" for me is to move to The Villages in Florida or Margaritaville in Bluffton, SC and sell testosterone and cialis to horny old men then subsequently counsel them and treat the STDs they contract.
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7) vitamin infusions, IV fluid hangover clinic
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10) pain clinic
11) ketamine infusion clinic
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14) Medical Mary Jane clinic
 
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ASTRO on Social media conduct in ASTROgram today

Friendly reminder: Social media code of conduct
Social media platforms, such as Twitter, Facebook and others, have had a profound effect on how we communicate with each other. Research results, requests for input on clinical challenges and informal surveys are just a few of the many topics that ASTRO members discuss with each other online. The ASTRO website houses another such platform, the ROhub, where members pose questions and comment on a similarly wide range of topics. The recent postponement of Board certification exams by the ABR has been met with disappointment and anger with considerable commentary, some of which has resulted in exchanges, both private and public, that have lacked the civil tone and professional courtesy that one would expect of discourse between physicians. ASTRO staff monitors the site for inappropriate content and is empowered to remove posts that may be deemed offensive. Occasionally, however, things slip through that may have been best left unsaid. Anyone posting on ROhub must observe a professional tone and strictly refrain from personal attacks on another individual, without exception. Although ASTRO cannot police Twitter, it is the sincere hope of the Board of Directors that our members will act responsibly and refrain from unprofessional behavior on any social media platform and to think twice before pushing "Send." The Board exists to serve the membership. If you are unhappy or angry with someone or something, the first step should be to reach out to that person directly to discuss the issue instead of a provocative post on social media. Young and old, resident and attending, we are all colleagues and need to treat each other with respect.
 

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ASTRO on Social media conduct in ASTROgram today

Friendly reminder: Social media code of conduct
Social media platforms, such as Twitter, Facebook and others, have had a profound effect on how we communicate with each other. Research results, requests for input on clinical challenges and informal surveys are just a few of the many topics that ASTRO members discuss with each other online. The ASTRO website houses another such platform, the ROhub, where members pose questions and comment on a similarly wide range of topics. The recent postponement of Board certification exams by the ABR has been met with disappointment and anger with considerable commentary, some of which has resulted in exchanges, both private and public, that have lacked the civil tone and professional courtesy that one would expect of discourse between physicians. ASTRO staff monitors the site for inappropriate content and is empowered to remove posts that may be deemed offensive. Occasionally, however, things slip through that may have been best left unsaid. Anyone posting on ROhub must observe a professional tone and strictly refrain from personal attacks on another individual, without exception. Although ASTRO cannot police Twitter, it is the sincere hope of the Board of Directors that our members will act responsibly and refrain from unprofessional behavior on any social media platform and to think twice before pushing "Send." The Board exists to serve the membership. If you are unhappy or angry with someone or something, the first step should be to reach out to that person directly to discuss the issue instead of a provocative post on social media. Young and old, resident and attending, we are all colleagues and need to treat each other with respect.
I was just about to post this...WOW.

The "professionalism" stick gets wielded once again. Are you in a position of power/leadership in Medicine and something happens which you don't agree with? Come in swinging that big PROFESSIONALISM HAMMER and all is right with the world.

Disgusting.
 
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ASTRO on Social media conduct in ASTROgram today

Friendly reminder: Social media code of conduct
Social media platforms, such as Twitter, Facebook and others, have had a profound effect on how we communicate with each other. Research results, requests for input on clinical challenges and informal surveys are just a few of the many topics that ASTRO members discuss with each other online. The ASTRO website houses another such platform, the ROhub, where members pose questions and comment on a similarly wide range of topics. The recent postponement of Board certification exams by the ABR has been met with disappointment and anger with considerable commentary, some of which has resulted in exchanges, both private and public, that have lacked the civil tone and professional courtesy that one would expect of discourse between physicians. ASTRO staff monitors the site for inappropriate content and is empowered to remove posts that may be deemed offensive. Occasionally, however, things slip through that may have been best left unsaid. Anyone posting on ROhub must observe a professional tone and strictly refrain from personal attacks on another individual, without exception. Although ASTRO cannot police Twitter, it is the sincere hope of the Board of Directors that our members will act responsibly and refrain from unprofessional behavior on any social media platform and to think twice before pushing "Send." The Board exists to serve the membership. If you are unhappy or angry with someone or something, the first step should be to reach out to that person directly to discuss the issue instead of a provocative post on social media. Young and old, resident and attending, we are all colleagues and need to treat each other with respect.
So they’re basically saying PW violates the professionalism policy.
I’m saying it.
Gee. I hope they talk to him.
 

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Well even this simul chap came on here and was like “but bro come over to twitter and out yourself and then I’ll talk to you and we have a real conversation”. Perhaps he learned. Some learn by stick, some learn by carrot.
This is what came to mind as well. This is the payment you get for being non-anonymous and having ideas that go against the oppressive regime of ABR (and apparently, ASTRO complicitly with them).

The silence from non-anonymous twitter accounts is truly deafening, although I certainly appreciate the consideration of people saying "I don't want to get involved with this as I don't want my career to end up in the toilet like this guy's"
 
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Social media platforms, such as Twitter, Facebook and others, have had a profound effect on how we communicate with each other. Research results, requests for input on clinical challenges and informal surveys are just a few of the many topics that ASTRO members discuss with each other online. The ASTRO website houses another such platform, the ROhub, where members pose questions and comment on a similarly wide range of topics. The recent postponement of Board certification exams by the ABR has been met with disappointment and anger with considerable commentary, some of which has resulted in exchanges, both private and public, that have lacked the civil tone and professional courtesy that one would expect of discourse between physicians. ASTRO staff monitors the site for inappropriate content and is empowered to remove posts that may be deemed offensive. Occasionally, however, things slip through that may have been best left unsaid. Anyone posting on ROhub must observe a professional tone and strictly refrain from personal attacks on another individual, without exception. Although ASTRO cannot police Twitter, it is the sincere hope of the Board of Directors that our members will act responsibly and refrain from unprofessional behavior on any social media platform and to think twice before pushing "Send." The Board exists to serve the membership. If you are unhappy or angry with someone or something, the first step should be to reach out to that person directly to discuss the issue instead of a provocative post on social media. Young and old, resident and attending, we are all colleagues and need to treat each other with respect.
When you bully, do it on an email....

WTF kind of messaging is this

Let's quit ABR and ASTRO as well

ASCO 100x better than ASTRO and more powerful anyways

Hell, I might even join ESTRO screw it
 

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This is what came to mind as well. This is the payment you get for being non-anonymous and having ideas that go against the oppressive regime of ABR (and apparently, ASTRO complicitly with them).

The silence from non-anonymous twitter accounts is truly deafening, although I certainly appreciate the consideration of people saying "I don't want to get involved with this as I don't want my career to end up in the toilet like this guy's"
Where are all the woke accounts now? Where are those who are building careers sticking up for women and minorities in medicine and radonc? Where are you when you are actually needed?

I'm disappointed but not surprised to see it's all been empty virtue-signaling and careerism. Maybe if a paper could be produced out of this debacle they'd be interested.
 

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We're truly in the Thunderdome now
first you fart in direction but if it does not work, next step is we throw poop

as an aside, Dr Chang was accepted to Purdue at age 11, never went to high school and was practicing as a rad onc in his 20s. Google told me so


he is also the author of the great Chang rad bio/physics book

 
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Just so y'all know know, ABR requires 25 SA-CME credits (now 15 if you participate in the online thing) for maintenance of certification. Who provides SA-CME at $25 per credit x 25 credits x 5000 radiation oncologists = 3.1 million dollars? You guessed it. ASTRO!

Stay woke.
The smart, non-woke, cheapskates like yours truly get it free

 

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The smart, non-woke, cheapskates like yours truly get it free

Yeah, I definitely do free SA-CMEs but most practicing physicians I know pay the $25/credit to read the irrelevant Red Journal article that they've already paid for with their dues and fill out the BS quiz.

More just illustrative that these are not two distinct organizations with no business relationship. There is money being made both ways in keeping the status quo.
 
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