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One of the private groups 4-5 yrs ago was offering starting salary of 180k.
Which one? Name and shame so people don't waste time interviewing with an exploitative practice. Shenanigans like that, I anticipate you never make partner either. That's less than a part-time salary. In fact, that's how much I made before I went to medical school in another line of work (actually more accounting for inflation).

Uff.

Having never lived there, Atlanta seems like the kind of place that's desirable enough, without being desirable enough.
Exactly. Plenty of decent midwestern cities where 500-600k in an employed job is attainable (for now -- more and more stories of X just acquired Y and cut salaries by Z% so all current docs resigned and they hired new grads for 325k).
 
It's not surprising that a program which is malignant and SOAPd an open spot this year has residents who are anti residency contraction. Heck, even some academic PDs and Chairman think there are too many spots but these Emory clown residents don't think so? Pathetic. Also, the program and other residents need to muzzle whoever is posting for them because it's such a bad look for an already bad program.
 
Most of us on this board didn't have to fight to preserve our market influence and power as physicians. We already have jobs, aren't going anywhere, etc. I know I'm not.

What I wanted was to try to help preserve what we had for future medical students/residents, so they could enjoy the choice of location and variety of job opportunities I did.

I never thought I would see residents themselves fighting against what we are doing. Their arguments are ridiculous on their face. I had to check several times to make sure the Emory Radonc Residents Twitter account wasn't a parody account. Unfortunately, no. What it is, is evidence of either someone with a proverbial gun held to their head, or someone with severe Stockholm Syndrome.
Major case of stockholm syndrome. It's a malignant place that expanded rapidly and then doubled the size of their residency program only to still have said residents double and triple cover their attendings. The residents were miserable when I rotated there and are no doubt miserable now. I know many of their graduates and they are great physicians who received an excellent training, but you don't need to work 80 hours a week in radonc for that to be the case. To be perfectly honest if I were a resident there I wouldn't be too interested in dropping a spot because that's just another attending I would need to cover. While doing so doesn't necessarily have a significant impact on the job market, it starts to make waves. It gives their faculty, many of whom are well respected in our field, a platform to say "we are uncertain where we're going, we need to take collective action, we at Emory have taken the first difficult step to do so and encourage everyone else to do the same." If enough programs were to step up, this would begin to put pressure on those that don't.

That being said, the place epitomizes the problems with "big rad onc." A big healthcare system buys up small healthcare systems and gives the attendings "academic" titles. Now they have have to staff these "academics" with residents so they expand their residency program. Then they grow too big, overreach a bit, misjudge the waters, and start losing money so their attendings need to take a pay cut. This depresses salaries in the area.

I'm not sure who runs the Emory Radonc Twitter but if I were them I'd be a hell of a lot more critical of 44 fractions of protons for a low risk prostate cancer than 10 fractions of 2D treatment for bone mets. At least there is a realm where the latter can be justified (i.e. more durable pain response), I have yet to see high level evidence for using protons in prostate cancer.
 
Starting salary not as important as potential partnership income, if they do have a path to partnership. Having said that, $180k is not a good starting salary.
there was a partnership opportunity, but who knows if there was good faith...
 
Major case of stockholm syndrome. It's a malignant place that expanded rapidly and then doubled the size of their residency program only to still have said residents double and triple cover their attendings. The residents were miserable when I rotated there and are no doubt miserable now. I know many of their graduates and they are great physicians who received an excellent training, but you don't need to work 80 hours a week in radonc for that to be the case. To be perfectly honest if I were a resident there I wouldn't be too interested in dropping a spot because that's just another attending I would need to cover. While doing so doesn't necessarily have a significant impact on the job market, it starts to make waves. It gives their faculty, many of whom are well respected in our field, a platform to say "we are uncertain where we're going, we need to take collective action, we at Emory have taken the first difficult step to do so and encourage everyone else to do the same." If enough programs were to step up, this would begin to put pressure on those that don't.

That being said, the place epitomizes the problems with "big rad onc." A big healthcare system buys up small healthcare systems and gives the attendings "academic" titles. Now they have have to staff these "academics" with residents so they expand their residency program. Then they grow too big, overreach a bit, misjudge the waters, and start losing money so their attendings need to take a pay cut. This depresses salaries in the area.

I'm not sure who runs the Emory Radonc Twitter but if I were them I'd be a hell of a lot more critical of 44 fractions of protons for a low risk prostate cancer than 10 fractions of 2D treatment for bone mets. At least there is a realm where the latter can be justified (i.e. more durable pain response), I have yet to see high level evidence for using protons in prostate cancer.
Totally agree with this. 20 other top programs that are not as malignant for US MDs.
 
Totally agree with this. 20 other top programs that are not as malignant for US MDs.

Yep, and now we have a situation where a Twitter account suggesting to represent all Emory residents is vociferously defending the status quo, despite arguments from private practice for years and (now) academia for several months that it needs to change.

While you hate to resort to collective punishment, as the Twitter account is purporting to represent them all, I would have serious reservations about hiring anyone from Emory for my practice.
 
Yep, and now we have a situation where a Twitter account suggesting to represent all Emory residents is vociferously defending the status quo, despite arguments from private practice for years and (now) academia for several months that it needs to change.

While you hate to resort to collective punishment, as the Twitter account is purporting to represent them all, I would have serious reservations about hiring anyone from Emory for my practice.
I'd be happy to have someone with good training willing to accept **** pay.
 
Yep, and now we have a situation where a Twitter account suggesting to represent all Emory residents is vociferously defending the status quo, despite arguments from private practice for years and (now) academia for several months that it needs to change.

While you hate to resort to collective punishment, as the Twitter account is purporting to represent them all, I would have serious reservations about hiring anyone from Emory for my practice.
There's obviously something nasty going on in the residency program. No doubt some of the residents are not on board with this foolishness and approve of such a brazen public display on an extremely controversial topic. When I was in residency, the chair wanted to expand the program (very inappropriately in my opinion). To do this, GME policy required the residents to support the expansion. I had a reputation for speaking my mind (being either consistently honest or stupid depending on how you look at it), so the chair had the chief resident draft a letter on behalf of all residents stating that we all supported the expansion. I did not find out about it until after the fact, which left me in the lose-lose situation of informing GME that the chair had been disingenuous and put pressure on the chief resident to write a letter with statements that were not true or saying nothing and letting the program expand without protest. Of course, nobody ever came to me and asked me what I thought (I would have told them), so that put me in the very bad position of having my only option being to make a public stink about it. No doubt there are similar situations at Emory and in programs across the country.
 
There's obviously something nasty going on in the residency program. No doubt some of the residents are not on board with this foolishness and approve of such a brazen public display on an extremely controversial topic. When I was in residency, the chair wanted to expand the program (very inappropriately in my opinion). To do this, GME policy required the residents to support the expansion. I had a reputation for speaking my mind (being either consistently honest or stupid depending on how you look at it), so the chair had the chief resident draft a letter on behalf of all residents stating that we all supported the expansion. I did not find out about it until after the fact, which left me in the lose-lose situation of informing GME that the chair had been disingenuous and put pressure on the chief resident to write a letter with statements that were not true or saying nothing and letting the program expand without protest. Of course, nobody ever came to me and asked me what I thought (I would have told them), so that put me in the very bad position of having my only option being to make a public stink about it. No doubt there are similar situations at Emory and in programs across the country.
Emory's pretty big on heart. And Mo Khan was doing the COVID lung Rt thang. So between heart SABRing and lung RT for non-cancer things maybe the Emory residents believe we need more rad oncs. Brainwashing is a real thing in residency lest we all forget. Independent thinking is not looked upon kindly.
 
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There's obviously something nasty going on in the residency program. No doubt some of the residents are not on board with this foolishness and approve of such a brazen public display on an extremely controversial topic. When I was in residency, the chair wanted to expand the program (very inappropriately in my opinion). To do this, GME policy required the residents to support the expansion. I had a reputation for speaking my mind (being either consistently honest or stupid depending on how you look at it), so the chair had the chief resident draft a letter on behalf of all residents stating that we all supported the expansion. I did not find out about it until after the fact, which left me in the lose-lose situation of informing GME that the chair had been disingenuous and put pressure on the chief resident to write a letter with statements that were not true or saying nothing and letting the program expand without protest. Of course, nobody ever came to me and asked me what I thought (I would have told them), so that put me in the very bad position of having my only option being to make a public stink about it. No doubt there are similar situations at Emory and in programs across the country.
Wallys previous department Jeff was and still is nasty. Jeff residents work 80 weeks, but somehow attendings would have less than 10 pts on beam. Emory residents likely don’t agree w/tweets. This guy is probably angling to stay on faculty. Really shouldn’t virtue signal about fractionation when you are breaking the law and refusing to post your prices.
 
Cardiology docs are super nice in that they often let other people do things related to the heart, just ask IR. Wouldn’t hang my hat on that as an idea why we would need more radonc residents at this time.
Cardiologists in my experience are pretty excited about cardiac SBRT. Currently, the patients for whom this is indicated have run out of options and have an awful QOL. EPs will always be heavily involved in the SBRT planning process and they can currently bill for a lot of the mapping required to choose a target. Furthermore, I am sure if this gets an official billing code, they will be able to bill for the RT deliver as well (like NSG is for SRS).

It's win-win for them: their hopeless refractory VT patients who are getting shocked once a week by their AICD now have a chance at a better/longer life... and the EPs get to stay involved in their treatment.
 
Cardiologists in my experience are pretty excited about cardiac SBRT. Currently, the patients for whom this is indicated have run out of options and have an awful QOL. EPs will always be heavily involved in the SBRT planning process and they can currently bill for a lot of the mapping required to choose a target. Furthermore, I am sure if this gets an official billing code, they will be able to bill for the RT deliver as well (like NSG is for SRS).

It's win-win for them: their hopeless refractory VT patients who are getting shocked once a week by their AICD now have a chance at a better/longer life... and the EPs get to stay involved in their treatment.
1) Get involved in cardiac SBRT planning process
2) Get a billing code for cards for SBRT
3) Buy a linac, hire a rad onc (or not)... CardioRads
4) Profit
 
Really sad. This is what gaslighting looks like.

Oddly enough, Atlanta seems to consistently have multiple jobs available. Anyone know why? Atlanta and Georgia in general is a good place to live.
I have heard Atlanta rad onc being described as a “snake pit” numerous times and that positions are exploitative/underpaid and controlled by one of a few systems. Apparently the town is saturated. I would assume that eventually gets tiring leading to people leaving and positions opening.
 
Yeah, I was talking to some EPs about it and they were excited for the possibilities, but also brought up how it might affect their jobs. I am not sure they would find it in their heart to refer their patients away if it would negatively effect their demand significantly. They already beat us to the patient and see them first. This shouldn’t be shocking to anyone. Nobody loves their job market being blocked, this we know wholeheartedly. However if we can find a good rhythm and work together with them, then that would be fantastic, just not sure it would cover the current oversupply looming. From what I understand cardiology is pretty aggressive at maintaining their space.
Cardiac SBRT, sounds like something that people who are truly dedicated to cancer care (which is why they can't match into any other specialty) will really want to do. Because they are devoted to cancer care AND Vtach. Let's make sure the M1 curriculum included cardiac SBRT.
 
Cardiac SBRT, sounds like something that people who are truly dedicated to cancer care (which is why they can't match into any other specialty) will really want to do. Because they are devoted to cancer care AND Vtach. Let's make sure the M1 curriculum included cardiac SBRT.
"I love music, especially listening to it on the radio. And I made an 'A' in Biology II in college. I heard you guys have 'radio-biology' which sounds like a perfect combo of the two. So that's why I chose Radio Oncology as a career." - PGY1 RO, in 2022
 
There are a lot of good CMEs out there on cardiac SBRT, for those, like me who haven’t done or seen it. The work flow seems very complicated (at least compared to let’s say lung sbrt) necessitating multi D collaboration with EP. EP/cardiology will always be the gate keepers for this disease for obvious reasons. Anything that brings in extra patients is good for us but don’t see this ever being done out in the community due to complexity.
 
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There are a lot of good CMEs out there on cardiac SBRT, for those, like me who haven’t done or seen it. The work flow seems very complicated (at least compared to let’s say lung sbrt) necessitating multi D collaboration with EP. EP/cardiology will always be the gate keepers for this disease for obvious reasons. Anything that brings in extra patients is good for us but don’t see this ever being done out in the community due to completely.

New contouring atlas published in red journal
 
New contouring atlas published in red journal
You wonder why an article like this can appear in the "International J of Radiation Oncology, Biol, Physics" and not the "J of Clinical Oncology." If this really becomes a thing and we have radiation oncologists that never do any oncology... I do know a "clinical oncologist" in the UK that does nothing but treat Dupuytrens from all over the country. Because he got so busy with that he had to let cancer go.
 
You wonder why an article like this can appear in the "International J of Radiation Oncology, Biol, Physics" and not the "J of Clinical Oncology." If this really becomes a thing and we have radiation oncologists that never do any oncology... I do know a "clinical oncologist" in the UK that does nothing but treat Dupuytrens from all over the country. Because he got so busy with that he had to let cancer go.
I have not treated a single case of dupuytrens
 
Um, what? Is this a troll account? Or am I actually seeing ASTRO publicly acknowledge they are putting up jobs for truck drivers due to job market concerns?

Yeah,

That was a parody account ASTRO_0rg instead of ASTR😵rg.
So the Twitter account ASTRO_0rg was suspended by Twitter.
Well, I think the big bro ASTRO probably complained to Twitter about the parody account.

Kind of funny bc there are hundreds of DJT (#45) parody accounts on Twitter and Twitter does not do anything about these parody Trump accounts...

Did not know ASTRO has such thin skin...
 

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You wonder why an article like this can appear in the "International J of Radiation Oncology, Biol, Physics" and not the "J of Clinical Oncology." If this really becomes a thing and we have radiation oncologists that never do any oncology... I do know a "clinical oncologist" in the UK that does nothing but treat Dupuytrens from all over the country. Because he got so busy with that he had to let cancer go.

To be fair Cliff R did publish initial clinical experience in NEJM...
 
There are a lot of good CMEs out there on cardiac SBRT, for those, like me who haven’t done or seen it. The work flow seems very complicated (at least compared to let’s say lung sbrt) necessitating multi D collaboration with EP. EP/cardiology will always be the gate keepers for this disease for obvious reasons. Anything that brings in extra patients is good for us but don’t see this ever being done out in the community due to completely.

I do it in the community. Pretty straightforward from an SBRT delivery standpoint. Target delineation very difficult, as it’s right in EP’s wheelhouse but nowhere near ours.
 
I do it in the community. Pretty straightforward from an SBRT delivery standpoint. Target delineation very difficult, as it’s right in EP’s wheelhouse but nowhere near ours.
You are going to have to share everything. How did you get this going is my first question? I can’t even get a prostate in these days.
 
I do it in the community. Pretty straightforward from an SBRT delivery standpoint. Target delineation very difficult, as it’s right in EP’s wheelhouse but nowhere near ours.
I have an EP in town that might be interested…. but aren't people having issues getting it reimbursed?
 
You are going to have to share everything. How did you get this going is my first question? I can’t even get a prostate in these days.
I was fortunate in that there's a large EP group in town that had done a few before we started talking. Their former collaborator wasn't able to work with them anymore, so they needed someone. I reached out to them myself to get a program going, and the timing worked out well

Technically, if you do thoracic SBRT or upper abdominal SBRT, doing cardiac SBRT is straighforward. We did it for free, as you can't bill for it as noted above. However, it made sense for me to give away our time, as it sets us up to have a program once it does get reimbursed.
 
I was fortunate in that there's a large EP group in town that had done a few before we started talking. Their former collaborator wasn't able to work with them anymore, so they needed someone. I reached out to them myself to get a program going, and the timing worked out well

Technically, if you do thoracic SBRT or upper abdominal SBRT, doing cardiac SBRT is straighforward. We did it for free, as you can't bill for it as noted above. However, it made sense for me to give away our time, as it sets us up to have a program once it does get reimbursed.
Haven't done it, but if it's a Medicare patient, why can't you bill for it. One, it's medically necessary. Two, there are no (longer any) diagnosis code exclusions for Medicare patients per se on a national level. YMMV on a contractor level. E.g., one can't find any Medicare documentation that one is allowed, or not allowed, to irradiate pigmented villonodular synovites* or arteriovenous malformations but ROs do and bill Medicare for it and get paid. I consulted w/ a former 21st Century Oncology attorney about this (jk).

*intentional
 
I was fortunate in that there's a large EP group in town that had done a few before we started talking. Their former collaborator wasn't able to work with them anymore, so they needed someone. I reached out to them myself to get a program going, and the timing worked out well

Technically, if you do thoracic SBRT or upper abdominal SBRT, doing cardiac SBRT is straighforward. We did it for free, as you can't bill for it as noted above. However, it made sense for me to give away our time, as it sets us up to have a program once it does get reimbursed.
And how have the patients been doing? What dose are you using?
 
I would caution those trying this for the first time that there are a lot of nuances that may not be obvious

It is very easy for there to be miscommunication with the EPs as we have very different frames of reference. They do not frequently plan their normal catheter ablation targets based upon cross-sectional imaging --it's more of a procedural approach whereby they use real-time imaging in the lab. This means that they may not be accustomed to pointing to a spot on a CT image even when looking at cardiac views. Furthermore, no human being can look at an axial image of the heart that would come from a CT simulation and know where a target is without first rotating to the cardiac views... and getting the CT scan from standard sim orientation (axial, sag, coronal) those cardiac-specific views takes some practice.

It's important that the EPs understand how the RT works... and also that we understand how they select their target (i.e. knowing the broad strokes of how to interpret the EKG of the clinical VT you are trying to treat so you have a general sense of where you should be targeting in the LV) to avoid miscommunication.

Given the complexity and the dangerous doses used, we have sought the guidance of WashU in most of our cases and are only now starting to feel a little more confident... and I would strongly advise anyone who is new to this do the same.
 
I would caution those trying this for the first time that there are a lot of nuances that may not be obvious

It is very easy for there to be miscommunication with the EPs as we have very different frames of reference. They do not frequently plan their normal catheter ablation targets based upon cross-sectional imaging --it's more of a procedural approach whereby they use real-time imaging in the lab. This means that they may not be accustomed to pointing to a spot on a CT image even when looking at cardiac views. Furthermore, no human being can look at an axial image of the heart that would come from a CT simulation and know where a target is without first rotating to the cardiac views... and getting the CT scan from standard sim orientation (axial, sag, coronal) those cardiac-specific views takes some practice.

It's important that the EPs understand how the RT works... and also that we understand how they select their target (i.e. knowing the broad strokes of how to interpret the EKG of the clinical VT you are trying to treat so you have a general sense of where you should be targeting in the LV) to avoid miscommunication.

Given the complexity and the dangerous doses used, we have sought the guidance of WashU in most of our cases and are only now starting to feel a little more confident... and I would strongly advise anyone who is new to this do the same.
Question for the cardiac literati from the cardiac illiterati.

Before WashU did this for the first time, no one really had done it. So they theorized a way that would work, and I'll be darned it worked. But it was maybe one out of tens of different ways of doing this. So what are the chances that the WashU way is the only way? Did they just nail it on the first time by sheer force of latent cardiac know-how resting in the RO's brain or could it be that there might be actually numerous roads to Rome. Our man in the arena @OTN seems to have nailed it on his first try/tries too. My guess is that there's a panoply of approaches which will be minor variations on a theme that can (and will) be used to "blast" a big bolus of X-rays into the cardium and all of them work.
 
Question for the cardiac literati from the cardiac illiterati.

Before WashU did this for the first time, no one really had done it. So they theorized a way that would work, and I'll be darned it worked. But it was maybe one out of tens of different ways of doing this. So what are the chances that the WashU way is the only way? Did they just nail it on the first time by sheer force of latent cardiac know-how resting in the RO's brain or could it be that there might be actually numerous roads to Rome. Our man in the arena @OTN seems to have nailed it on his first try/tries too. My guess is that there's a panoply of approaches which will be minor variations on a theme that can (and will) be used to "blast" a big bolus of X-rays into the cardium and all of them work.

I am guessing you are right...

I think of it like SRS or SBRT anywhere else: it may be that there are a lot of ways to do it safely and effectively... and also a lot of ways to hurt people and/or burn a bridge with an ineffective treatment.

But unlike SRS for brain mets or SBRT for lung cancer, we just don't know which aspects of the treatment approach can be changed without causing a problem yet. We know the existence of one safe approach... so it may be best to follow that approach until there are more data.
 
I would caution those trying this for the first time that there are a lot of nuances that may not be obvious

It is very easy for there to be miscommunication with the EPs as we have very different frames of reference. They do not frequently plan their normal catheter ablation targets based upon cross-sectional imaging --it's more of a procedural approach whereby they use real-time imaging in the lab. This means that they may not be accustomed to pointing to a spot on a CT image even when looking at cardiac views. Furthermore, no human being can look at an axial image of the heart that would come from a CT simulation and know where a target is without first rotating to the cardiac views... and getting the CT scan from standard sim orientation (axial, sag, coronal) those cardiac-specific views takes some practice.

It's important that the EPs understand how the RT works... and also that we understand how they select their target (i.e. knowing the broad strokes of how to interpret the EKG of the clinical VT you are trying to treat so you have a general sense of where you should be targeting in the LV) to avoid miscommunication.

Given the complexity and the dangerous doses used, we have sought the guidance of WashU in most of our cases and are only now starting to feel a little more confident... and I would strongly advise anyone who is new to this do the same.
I agree with all of this. Fortunately for us, the EP docs with whom we worked had done cardiac SBRT several times before and were very experienced. I also by no means tried to recreate the wheel and communicated heavily with the WashU team.

Edit: machine was a Varian iX with CBCT, robotic couch top, with body pro lok and 4d CT sim
 
I agree with all of this. Fortunately for us, the EP docs with whom we worked had done cardiac SBRT several times before and were very experienced. I also by no means tried to recreate the wheel and communicated heavily with the WashU team.

Edit: machine was a Varian iX with CBCT, robotic couch top, with body pro lok and 4d CT sim
Maybe you can make a little extra teaching us lay folks. I’ll join once we get reimbursed or once I start ending up in the back of a bread line, whichever comes first I guess.
 
I would caution those trying this for the first time that there are a lot of nuances that may not be obvious

It is very easy for there to be miscommunication with the EPs as we have very different frames of reference. They do not frequently plan their normal catheter ablation targets based upon cross-sectional imaging --it's more of a procedural approach whereby they use real-time imaging in the lab. This means that they may not be accustomed to pointing to a spot on a CT image even when looking at cardiac views. Furthermore, no human being can look at an axial image of the heart that would come from a CT simulation and know where a target is without first rotating to the cardiac views... and getting the CT scan from standard sim orientation (axial, sag, coronal) those cardiac-specific views takes some practice.

It's important that the EPs understand how the RT works... and also that we understand how they select their target (i.e. knowing the broad strokes of how to interpret the EKG of the clinical VT you are trying to treat so you have a general sense of where you should be targeting in the LV) to avoid miscommunication.

Given the complexity and the dangerous doses used, we have sought the guidance of WashU in most of our cases and are only now starting to feel a little more confident... and I would strongly advise anyone who is new to this do the same.
Cliff Robinson visited our institution and offered his initial experience. He said before he did it he was fretting about how he would hit such a small target. The EPs said.... "Hey.... can you make it BIGGER?"

Yes, yes we can.

It turns out the problem is they are ablating a very small area each time then waiting to see if it worked. If they didn't get it, they have to go back. So part of the attraction to this method is we can ablate a large area at one time.

He said he was terrified doing the first patient (understandably). He told the patient "Hey, I might kill you." The patient said "Look... I get shocked with electricity about a hundred times a day. I'd rather be dead than go on like this."
 
Cliff Robinson visited our institution and offered his initial experience. He said before he did it he was fretting about how he would hit such a small target. The EPs said.... "Hey.... can you make it BIGGER?"

Yes, yes we can.

It turns out the problem is they are ablating a very small area each time then waiting to see if it worked. If they didn't get it, they have to go back. So part of the attraction to this method is we can ablate a large area at one time.

He said he was terrified doing the first patient (understandably). He told the patient "Hey, I might kill you." The patient said "Look... I get shocked with electricity about a hundred times a day. I'd rather be dead than go on like this."
Great story. In other words world famous rad onc had to do something medically and to be successful had to quit thinking and behaving like a rad onc. Counter this with rad oncs and physicists who flipped their lid over 1 Gy to the lungs during COVID.
 
I am guessing you are right...

I think of it like SRS or SBRT anywhere else: it may be that there are a lot of ways to do it safely and effectively... and also a lot of ways to hurt people and/or burn a bridge with an ineffective treatment.

But unlike SRS for brain mets or SBRT for lung cancer, we just don't know which aspects of the treatment approach can be changed without causing a problem yet. We know the existence of one safe approach... so it may be best to follow that approach until there are more data.
That is true. It's really pretty astounding that for something so dangerous and lethal and that no one essentially knew what they were doing beforehand (I mean they had "an idea") it turned out to be so safe and effective. Better to be lucky than good.
 
That is true. It's really pretty astounding that for something so dangerous and lethal and that no one essentially knew what they were doing beforehand (I mean they had "an idea") it turned out to be so safe and effective. Better to be lucky than good.
Think about the first lunatic that gave 80 Gy x 1 CN V right next to the brain stem for trigeminal neuralgia.

"Not only is the patient still breathing, but their face feels better too!"
 
Radiation Oncology's Plight,
In Three Acts


I. A senator sponsors a bill that has nothing to do with radiation oncology (except exceedingly tangentially)
II. A physician thinks the bill has to do with radiation therapy and that "HemeOncs" Rx radiation
III. Everyone starts fighting for the HemeOncs and their ability to prescribe RT

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Radiation Oncology's Plight,
In Three Acts


I. A senator sponsors a bill that has nothing to do with radiation oncology (except exceedingly tangentially)
II. A physician thinks the bill has to do with radiation therapy and that "HemeOncs" Rx radiation
III. Everyone starts fighting for the HemeOncs and their ability to prescribe RT

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Lol, if it means getting some form of justice, I’ll take it. Maybe having med oncs appear to be radiation oncologists gets more done than having our current “leaders” fight for us.

In a field where we don’t receive recognition anyway and the catfish of all specialties, maybe this is a good thing... can’t get any worse in my opinion. Maybe med oncs will appreciate us more, society, who knows.

Do I feel disrespected? Of course, but that’s not new. Maybe this gets people to think about radiation more, I’m grasping for anything these days.
 
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