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Practice in an area where the practices are either 5 days a week clinical for a starting salary below the numbers you guys are throwing out, or 4 “days” per week with expectation/delivery of 30 on treat and multiple site coverage. This would describe all the practices

Be careful of anecdotes, and reality
 
You and Minesh must golf together!
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I just keep going back to the "golden handcuffs" thing. I think a lot of people would agree $400k for a 4/day a week, 10-15 on beam, 8 weeks of vacation a year job is pretty attractive. But once you get this job, is that "it"? Meaning, what if the job is 2,000 miles from your family, and your parents get sick and you want to be closer to home to help take care of them, but there's not any jobs within 300 square miles of your family? What if it starts as 3-4 days a week, 10 on beam, and a few years later it's 5 days a week with 40 on beam?
Job A: $400k, 4 days a week, 10-15 on beam, 8 weeks vacation is an attractive job. You're not making as much as you COULD, and there may not be much room for salary growth, but it's hard to look at that and say you're not appropriately compensated for your work with an excellent lifestyle.

Job B: 5 days a week, 40 on beam, making $400k is objectively a bad job and I think even admin would realize that.

The issue is that people don't realize how bad the jobs in between these two extremes are. Every 5 patients on beam amounts to about $100k-150k in professional billing.

If you look at the job you described, we can all say that's a solid gig. Let's say a few years down the line you're treating 15-20 instead of 10-15 and nothing else has changed. That's still a really easy number on treat, but now you're underpaid by $100-150k. 20-25 on treat? Still a pretty easy job, can still do it in 4 days a week, but should be making 600-700k in professional fees.

It's easy for us to look at Job A and say it's a good deal and Job B and say it's a bad deal, but people don't realize how terrible the permutations between these two jobs are.

If I were a new grad being offered $400k to treat 20-25, I'd say I have it made! That's a pretty easy number on treat and that's a really good starting salary, but it's almost 100% more work than what you had proposed in Job A!

For some real world correlate, prestigious local megacorp is currently offering new grads $350k for ~18 on treatment working 5 days a week, 4-5 weeks vacation. It's hard to look at that job and say it's a bad one, but consider how different it is to job A!
 
I'm kinda being an assh0le, but that's my basic response to tweeting about being confused on day 2 of rad onc residency. This lame need to go tell it to Twitter, which has just become a universe of nothingness. It is profoundly mundane. My feeling when I see these tweets is, "what an assh0le.". But maybe I'm the problem. Would have been more tolerable without the gratuitous ass kissing to close it out
 
I'm kinda being an assh0le, but that's my basic response to tweeting about being confused on day 2 of rad onc residency. This lame need to go tell it to Twitter, which has just become a universe of nothingness. It is profoundly mundane. My feeling when I see these tweets is, "what an assh0le.". But maybe I'm the problem. Would have been more tolerable without the gratuitous ass kissing to close it out
@jondunn lives to post it for some reason
 
I'm kinda being an assh0le, but that's my basic response to tweeting about being confused on day 2 of rad onc residency. This lame need to go tell it to Twitter, which has just become a universe of nothingness. It is profoundly mundane. My feeling when I see these tweets is, "what an assh0le.". But maybe I'm the problem. Would have been more tolerable without the gratuitous ass kissing to close it out

Or maybe they should get to learning radiation oncology instead of tweeting about it
 
Or maybe they should get to learning radiation oncology instead of tweeting about it
exactly

Edit: I do feel like an ahole saying this given what I see as the truth of dependent origination, which is to say, we find ourselves at this point in history due to a zillion other bad decisions, and this tweet and tweets like it are the culmination of that. In turn, this isn't his fault. There's probably a more diplomatic way to turn the tide, but I too am a product of everything that happened before me. So, please understand that it's not my fault I think this guys and assh0le.
 
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I'm kinda being an assh0le, but that's my basic response to tweeting about being confused on day 2 of rad onc residency. This lame need to go tell it to Twitter, which has just become a universe of nothingness. It is profoundly mundane. My feeling when I see these tweets is, "what an assh0le.". But maybe I'm the problem. Would have been more tolerable without the gratuitous ass kissing to close it out
I think it is a generational thing… Twitter that is. I never got the point of updating the world on my… status.
 
big rad onc pretends to be little rad onc.
Trollers gonna keep trolling huh?

Maybe start trying to post some interesting tweets once in awhile and folks on this forum might actually start taking you seriously for once?

Like this one showing the majority of ohsu entering class being MD PhD for some strange, unknowable reason

 
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I think it is worth being honest about what a god forsaken place houston is.
Blue cities in red states aren't the worst places in the world to practice, esp when the demographics are clearly trending a certain way long term. Certainly better than trying to rent as a doc in the bay area wondering when the poop patrol going to clean your street next
 
Blue cities in red states aren't the worst places in the world to practice, esp when the demographics are clearly trending a certain way long term. Certainly better than trying to rent as a doc in the bay area wondering when the poop patrol going to clean your street next
I mean it feels like God has been trying to destroy it for the last decade or so. Surprised there hasn't been a locust related catastrophe there yet.
 
Lil rad onc does seem to know a lot of big wigs… maybe there is no such thing as Lil rad onc anymore… we’re all just screwed!
This is the fate of most populist heroes.

However, while I may not agree with @RealSimulD on everything (or most things), I do trust his intentions… putting him in stark contrast to many leaders in our field. He’s as good an advocate as we could ask for.
 
This is the fate of most populist heroes.

However, while I may not agree with @RealSimulD on everything (or most things), I do trust his intentions… putting him in stark contrast to many leaders in our field. He’s as good an advocate as we could ask for.
I agree! I’m too much of a wuss and too ugly to put my face out there like he has. Damn you Simul!
 
I'm kinda being an assh0le, but that's my basic response to tweeting about being confused on day 2 of rad onc residency. This lame need to go tell it to Twitter, which has just become a universe of nothingness. It is profoundly mundane. My feeling when I see these tweets is, "what an assh0le.". But maybe I'm the problem. Would have been more tolerable without the gratuitous ass kissing to close it out
you got a point
 
Trollers gonna keep trolling huh?

Maybe start trying to post some interesting tweets once in awhile and folks on this forum might actually start taking you seriously for once?

Like this one showing the majority of ohsu entering class being MD PhD for some strange, unknowable reason


Would theorize simply witnessing the lingering inertia of the Charles Thomas era there.
However, while I may not agree with @RealSimulD on everything (or most things), I do trust his intentions… putting him in stark contrast to many leaders in our field. He’s as good an advocate as we could ask for.
If government is people, then so is rad onc: people. And by that measure, Simul has done more to help rad onc than any other person in the last 5 years. I think this could be objectively proven too.
 
Awful to train at, sure. Is it awful to practice there, are the salaries ****ty?

I don't know, do you? Is your logic sound?
The place is absolutely a problem, they failed to match both spots and quietly SOAPED any warm bodies they could find, who failed to match other fields. That is the biggest indictment of “leadership” of the “good guy” chair. I don’t care what anybody and their “buddy” says. The chair owns this with his “good leadership”.

I would highly caution applicants from going to any of these hellpits. Applicants are a canary and these places could not match in the most uncompetitive environment. We anxiously await next year’s SOAP games. May the odds be forever in your favour!
 
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I'm kinda being an assh0le, but that's my basic response to tweeting about being confused on day 2 of rad onc residency. This lame need to go tell it to Twitter, which has just become a universe of nothingness. It is profoundly mundane. My feeling when I see these tweets is, "what an assh0le.". But maybe I'm the problem. Would have been more tolerable without the gratuitous ass kissing to close it out

I'm with you. If you're confused, get off twitter and go study
 
The place is absolutely a problem, they failed to match both spots and quietly SOAPED any warm bodies they could find, who failed to match other fields. That is the biggest indictment of “leadership” of the “good guy” chair. I don’t care what anybody and their “buddy” says. The chair owns this with his “good leadership”.

I would highly caution applicants from going to any of these hellpits. Applicants are a canary and these places could not match in the most uncompetitive environment. We anxiously await next year’s SOAP games. May the odds be forever in your favour!
Agree with all of that... My question is, how is it to have a JOB there? In the future, hopefully this is one of those hellpits that loses accreditation and ends up needing to hire more docs/APPs. I think the question is how are docs treated/compensated there which is a completely separate issue from the fact that's it's a god awful place to train
 
Agree with all of that... My question is, how is it to have a JOB there? In the future, hopefully this is one of those hellpits that loses accreditation and ends up needing to hire more docs/APPs. I think the question is how are docs treated/compensated there which is a completely separate issue from the fact that's it's a god awful place to train
We have gone over this before. Im sure the attendings at Cornell and NYP think it is a great job. Of course it is, propped up by cheap resident labour by mostly a resident service component and minimal education, essentially a PP camouflaging as an academic place. These places should not exist.
 
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We have gone over this before. Im sure the attendings at Cornell and NYP think it is a great job. Of course it is, propped up by cheap resident labour by mostly a resident component and minimal education, essentially a PP camouflaging as an academic place. These places should not exist.
What about the rep of the chairs?
 
Lil rad onc does seem to know a lot of big wigs… maybe there is no such thing as Lil rad onc anymore… we’re all just screwed!
In a field this small, it's fairly easy to accidentally "know" many people, unless you're an "institutional lifer" and practice where you did residency where you did medical school, or have zero people skills and folks would rather lick sandpaper than talk to you.
 
In a field this small, it's fairly easy to accidentally "know" many people, unless you're an "institutional lifer" and practice where you did residency where you did medical school, or have zero people skills and folks would rather lick sandpaper than talk to you.
Very true… as I reflect upon my own experiences, I either worked with or know of plenty of big wigs but just chose to stay off their radar. I still hear stories about them from time to time, many have to be myths!
 
In a field this small, it's fairly easy to accidentally "know" many people, unless you're an "institutional lifer" and practice where you did residency where you did medical school, or have zero people skills and folks would rather lick sandpaper than talk to you.

There are quite a few of these in our field go figure
 
Lol

Some of you folks need to relax
It's like seeing the first sprout of poison ivy. Next thing, this guy will be comparing imrt to drawing owls or something. Then someday I'll have to wait in line behind him while he loudly asks the cashier the life story of the chicken he's about to eat only to order an impossible burger.
 
In a field this small, it's fairly easy to accidentally "know" many people, unless you're an "institutional lifer" and practice where you did residency where you did medical school, or have zero people skills and folks would rather lick sandpaper than talk to you.
…I’d rather lick sandpaper than talk to most radoncs….outside the great folks on sdn
 
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