how hard is do you think it would be for an MSUCOM graduate to become a radiologist
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You really need to learn how to read charting outcomes.
http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Charting-Outcomes-US-Osteopathic-2016.pdf
http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Charting-Outcomes-US-Osteopathic-2016.pdf
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that stupid pdf says nothing about MSUCOM boyo
Seeing as there are only a few AOA programs, one MI program is closing and another merging with a current ACGME program, then MSUCOM is irrelevant. Your chances are going to be about the same as the DO applicant pool as a whole. I'm sorry you hate the truth and actual data but maybe if you looked at the data instead of just making inane posts you would see that basically everyone with a COMLEX over 500 matched. The fact OP is going to MSUCOM means nothing to his chances of matching radiology.
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you're condescending in 90% of your posts as if you have this whole thing figured out yet you haven't started school. so ya.
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you're condescending in 90% of your posts as if you have this whole thing figured out yet you haven't started school. so ya.
Frankly, somethings just aren't that hard to figure out.
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that stupid pdf says nothing about MSUCOM boyo
Unfortunately, you won't get this information anywhere. You can look at the match lists, but you wouldn't know if people are not choosing radiology because their scores are bad or the opposite situation where their scores are good but like being a PCP. What I suggest you do is to go to the residency forms and look up the tiers of matching. Then try to see what school they come from. You will find a random assortment of DOs matching in to high places (well mid-tier). So AnatomyGrey12 is correct in saying that a person going to MSUCOM would be considered the same as a person going to UIW. The only difference being that MSUCOM gives you more resources to succeed.
Remember that pdf. will be your bible to matching to the vast majority of residencies when you gradate (since ACGME and AOA will be merged by this time)so don't over look it.
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I definitely agree, it's just for radiology specifically I don't see MSUCOM really being much of a factor if at all. The rads data essentially shows that rads is a fairly easy match for even very average students, if you are just looking for any program. OP didn't specify how competitive of a program he means, the better programs are obviously going to require a top notch student, and the top programs still don't consider DOs
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I agree there, it not to say going to MSU in itself will help. It is helpful in the sense that since MSU being around so long, it has a lot of research, a lot of connections, and has a solid clinical education setup. A school like MSU would set them up very well to pursue their field of choice. I go to a new school and you'd be surprised at how clueless a lot of my fellow classmates and, yes, faculty members are about how to set their students up to match well (even though some have been teaching at med schools for 10+ years!). Its been even more of a pain in the butt to get a research project going. Going to an older school goes a long way. With the job market picking up, radiology will probably start getting more competitive from here on out.
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Lol, no one ever said that wasn't the case. You look for arguments where there are none
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No, but you never said it was. Instead you just demean opie.
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No I didn't, he has now asked about matching two specialties. I told him he needs to look at the charting outcomes. Where did I ever demean him? Again, you find argument and issue where there is none. You are the one who got your panties in a wad. Both times his questions could have easily answered by looking at those, and it's something that every in coming med student needs to be aware of regardless of which school you go to.
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It's not hard if you're close to the mean COMLEX I & II of those who matched, which is 615 and 628 respectively according to page 26 from the data posted by @AnatomyGrey12 The mean unmatched COMLEX I & II are 554 and 531 respectively.
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Actually it's even easier than that, out of the 85 people that applied with a 500 or greater COMLEX only 5 didn't match. Just getting any spot isn't difficult, but rads is a field where the program can actually matter and the better programs are obviously going to require a better application
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If you read the radiology subforum on here, then it would appear that it's very hard for DOs to get interviews with a step 1 below 240. I've read posts from multiple program directors that say they screen out DOs at 240. It's not an easy match for a DO and I'd put it just a notch below surgical subspecialty in terms of difficulty just because despite having similar board scores, there are more spots in radiology and research is less of an emphasis.
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I highly doubt all the students that matched with a 500+ COMLEX had over a 240....
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That's only really for the top 30-50 or so programs. Beyond that things are open for DOs since there are so many spots.
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OP's original question: It will be as tough as if you had gone to any other osteopathic school. There are a lot of programs in SE MI, so if you are a competitive applicant, you might get some "regional" love (i.e. interviews) from these programs.
The over 240 thing is somewhat true. There are several places who won't consider anyone (MD, DO, MBBS) with <240...but you know what... there are places that would. You don't necessarily have to go to a Top ## program to be a good radiologist (although it helps).
OP, just study hard...like a lot. Brute force can make up for a lot if you're not one of those ridiculously gifted people. That being said, if you go to MSUCOM, you should definitely take the usmle and you should definitely shoot for >240.
+1 for charting the outcomes data. Use this as a road map.
Good luck with your journey. MSU is a good school.
The over 240 thing is somewhat true. There are several places who won't consider anyone (MD, DO, MBBS) with <240...but you know what... there are places that would. You don't necessarily have to go to a Top ## program to be a good radiologist (although it helps).
OP, just study hard...like a lot. Brute force can make up for a lot if you're not one of those ridiculously gifted people. That being said, if you go to MSUCOM, you should definitely take the usmle and you should definitely shoot for >240.
+1 for charting the outcomes data. Use this as a road map.
Good luck with your journey. MSU is a good school.
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Which is why its important to look at match rate along with averages. If you look at the breakdown of matching within each score range, you will see a high percentage matching even in the low end.
On the MD side there was only 1-2 people who didn't not match in every score range (ex. 191-200, 201-210). On the DO side, there were not many who applied below a 500. However, a lot did apply with a 500 and even then there were 1-2 people who didn't match at each score range (ex. 501-550, 551-560).
I'd rather apply to radiology with a 200 as a US MD than PM&R with a 200, even though the average for radiology 241 and PM&R is 226.
Thank you!
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Excellent point. I'd still say that getting a university spot below 240 is unlikely as a bone wizard. Not that it's the end of the world as there are some very good community programs out there. Makes me want to reconsider rads but the 6 years of post med school training is a real turn off.
