Rallying My Fellow URMs: PART 2

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"The way in which you deny free speech is by arguing against the organization of various majority groups, such as ORMs. "

Again, I haven't said that ORMs aren't free to organize their own groups. Free speech involves the right to criticize, which I have availed myself of.

"90% of premeds are not ORMs. "

Read my post. I said 90% of MED STUDENTS are ORMs.

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/famg52002a.htm

88.4% of matriculants to med school are ORM. ORMs don't need to be "rallied"

"...oppressed whites (poorer ones, ones denied education) and whatnot, are as needy of rallying as anyone else. "

Poor whites are not poor because they are white. Their problems are based on economics not race. If you want to start a thread, "Rallying my fellow poor people", then I would say that you are engaging in quite a noble venture. But you started a "Rallying my fellow ORM thread", which is completely different.

Black poverty is intimately connected with the issue of race. Aside from the legacies of slavery and Jim Crow, blacks face substantial discrimination in job and housing markets.

"So why can certain races have clubs, but not Asians? "

You keep harping on Asians but ORMs are composed of whites AND asians. As a group, what types of issues do whites and asians have to confront together?

"The URMs have a club to hang out. Why shouldnt the ORMs?"

OK, why don't you form a club for white males then? Put it on your med school application - it would look real humanitarian of you to form a club to give support to the dominant group in society. I sincerely doubt you would do this though.

"Affirmative action masks the true problem"

So now we get to the bottom line. You may think that racial discrimination has disappeared but it most certainly hasn't.

"oh for christs sake....the laws of physics are eurocentric? "

No your viewpoint is eurocentric.
 
Thanks pathdr2be and hobs. This post was supposed to be a supportive thread for URMs going through he process. But of course, it turned into an exclusionary/AA thing. . .WTF??

Anyhoo, it just makes you wonder about the future (over represented) doctors of America. . .

Let's keep the supportive posts coming. . .I don't remember all this drama over the original post last year!
 
I had never heard of the term ORM before reading this thread. I guess I have always assumed that the goal of AA is to promote the rise of underrepresented minorities to a level playing field ON AN INDIVIDUAL basis, rather than BRINGING DOWN the number of OVERREPRESENTED group while INCREASING the number of UNDERREPRESENTED group.

By using the term ORM and URM, aren't you admitting that this is a quota system and therefore unconstitutional???
 
Originally posted by Jamaican MD
Thanks pathdr2be and hobs. This post was supposed to be a supportive thread for URMs going through he process. But of course, it turned into an exclusionary/AA thing. . .WTF??


This thread IS a supportive thread and we are going to keep it on the positive!!!:clap: :clap:
 
Isn't he the Roman emperor who persecuted the Christian minorities?
 
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I think I also have to throw in a plug in here for pursuing the MD/PhD. Anyone that wants any additonal info please see the very civil MSTP thread, or send me a PM. Or I can post some of what I know on this thread!!

Common guys, I've got some immumohistoshemistry to do today, so I can't keep this thread from being totally ignorant by myself!!!🙂
 
quick question: how are whites ORMs?
doesn't ORM = Over-Represented Minority? when did white people living in this country become part of the minority.... how long was i asleep....? 😀

peace and love people... PEACE and LOVE! people of the world UNITE! 😍
 
an innocent thread gradually turning into another AA one. Aaah good ol SDN.
 
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The Student National Medical Association now allows premeds to join. This organization which is part of the National Medical Association was founded in the 60's when minorities were excluded from joining the AMA. I'll bring more info about this soon!!!! :clap: :clap:
 
Originally posted by pathdr2b
The Student National Medical Association now allows premeds to join. This organization which is part of the National Medical Association was founded in the 60's when minorities were excluded from joining the AMA. I'll bring more info about this soon!!!! :clap: :clap:

they have been doing that for a while, MAPS (minority association of pre-professional students) has been one for a while. I was a member of MAPS which is the junior org of SNMA and went to the SNMA conventions. I had an SNMA membership and all, still do.
 
Originally posted by lotanna
they have been doing that for a while, MAPS (minority association of pre-professional students) has been one for a while. I was a member of MAPS which is the junior org of SNMA and went to the SNMA conventions. I had an SNMA membership and all, still do.


I dont' know how this got past me and I know minority medical students that never mentioned it. Gotta get that membership ASAP because the conventions are a great way to med adcom members from various schools. Anyone else have any info that may be useful to the URM applicant?
 
AMSA (american med student association) also allows pre-med memberships. they're into socialized health care and other good stuff.
 
So ORMs must only include Asians since whites and Asians are the "priviledged" ones and whites are not minorities and thus can't be included in ORMs.

Thus the ORM vs. URM war is between Asians and the 5 listed URMs. How is that not racist???
 
Originally posted by pathdr2b
The Student National Medical Association now allows premeds to join. This organization which is part of the National Medical Association was founded in the 60's when minorities were excluded from joining the AMA. I'll bring more info about this soon!!!! :clap: :clap:

Path, this is news to me. Please DO provide more info (pm if you'd prefer) when you get it. Thanks!
 
Originally posted by lotanna
an innocent thread gradually turning into another AA one. Aaah good ol SDN.

🙄 I'm in total agreement with you babe
 
Originally posted by pathdr2b
This thread IS a supportive thread and we are going to keep it on the positive!!!:clap: :clap:


Yes, let's! (I see no evil and I hear no evil)
 
Originally posted by Jamaican MD
Path, this is news to me. Please DO provide more info (pm if you'd prefer) when you get it. Thanks!


"Ain't no shame in my game", I'll be posting this for ALL to see. Ignorance has NEVER intimidated me.😉
 
Originally posted by pathdr2b
Here we go!!!!

http://www.snma.org/membership.html

yeah get the associate membership, its $15/yr. The conventions are great, plus they do medical mission trips. In 2004, they'll be going to Nigeria and Ghana. I might be going 🙂

@others just in case u think this org was created to exclude folks, it wasnt, ANYONE interested in health disparities can join 😛
 
Originally posted by lotanna
yeah get the associate membership, its $15/yr. The conventions are great, plus they do medical mission trips. In 2004, they'll be going to Nigeria and Ghana. I might be going 🙂

After I join, I'm going to try to see if I can submit an abstract for the meeting in 2004 in San Fran, if I'm not mistaken. The trip to Ghana sounds cool too!!!:clap: :clap:
 
ORM = over represented majority?? over represented minority?? Who cares. The real problem I have is with the commonly heard conservative argument that if blacks have their own support groups, then whites should have their own as well. There is a gigantic difference between the two and I have already commented on it.

"the right of assembly even in physical space is a constitutionally protected right hallowed by our 1st amendment: yet according to you, when ORMs assemble online, it's only for nefarious ends like planning Genocide?"

I'm not denying anyone a right to assemble. You can assemble in any way you want just as I can criticize the fashion in which you assemble.
 
Originally posted by bigbaubdi

"oh for christs sake....the laws of physics are eurocentric? "

No your viewpoint is eurocentric.

what view point?

bigbaudi-- we know what happens when white people unite - ku klux klan, jim crow, adolf hitler, apartheid, etc....

hightrump-- how bout......the invention of modern math, philosophy, and physics. how bout electricity, the light bulb...vacines...penicilin...the automobile...flight....spacships...

find the viewpoint. I gave some examples of some other stuff that happened when white people united. I think all of these things listed are no less important to anyone wether or not they are european.
Ok, some goofballs in grass skirts worshiping a metal airplane toilet that fell out of the sky may not value some of those things.
 
Originally posted by generation2MD?
do you have to still be in college to join, or is it ok to be semi-postbacc student?

I pretty sure it's OK. Just mark the pre-med section of the form.
 
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Originally posted by hightrump
....some goofballs in grass skirts worshiping a metal airplane toilet that fell out of the sky may not value some of those things.

You are proving your own eurocentric bias with these types of statements.
 
your proving your a goofball by pretending that the inventions i mentioned a somehow only important to white people. As you, a non european, sit in an airconditioned room typing on a freaking computer on a message board where you look for information about medical schools which derive 99% of what they teach from the research of other euros.
 
Originally posted by Alleria
bigbaubdi: I asked you specifically to explain your comments about assembly and comparisons to the likes of the KKK and Hitler.

Criticizing an ORM thread or organization has nothing to do with the suppressing the right of free speech or assembly. As for the question about organizations for white people, I addressed this in my first post:

Originally posted by bigbaubdi
Since white people occupy a dominant position in American society, calls for white unity can only serve the purpose of preserving this hegemonic status using various mechanisms.
 
Originally posted by bigbaubdi
You are proving your own eurocentric bias with these types of statements.

so your other quote premtively chastised me for somthing i hadnt said yet?
 
Can we please avoid making this an us versus them kind of thread??

On that note...how many ppl will be going to the SNMA national conference. Lotanna will I see u there?
 
Originally posted by generation2MD?
do you have to still be in college to join, or is it ok to be semi-postbacc student?

I don't think it's a problem. . .I'm a post-bacc and I plan to join. And I'm all about the medical mission next year!

Thanks again Path. You are always on the ball with your info and updates! :clap:
 
Originally posted by ndi_amaka
Can we please avoid making this an us versus them kind of thread?? On that note...how many ppl will be going to the SNMA national conference. Lotanna will I see u there?

Key word in the word IGNORANT is IGNORe.

The meeting is in San Fran right? Yep, I'm definitely going to try to make it there.
 
Originally posted by ndi_amaka
Can we please avoid making this an us versus them kind of thread??

On that note...how many ppl will be going to the SNMA national conference. Lotanna will I see u there?

You know, my original intent in starting this thread was NOT to make it an us vs. them thread. But some folks took it that way, and started a "Rallying my fellow ORMs" thread. Some SDNers look for the words "URM" or "AA" or "disadvantaged" just so they can bash the thread.

As you can see, I don't plan to respond to any of that smack!

I woulld like to go to the conference. I'm excited about this new opportunity!
 
Originally posted by pathdr2b
Key word in the word IGNORANT is IGNORe.

The meeting is in San Fran right? Yep, I'm definitely going to try to make it there.

I've only heard about New Orleans....there may be a regional conference in San Fran though. last one I went to was in Houston and it was off the hook.

Have u been applying? How have ur interviews gone?
 
Originally posted by Jamaican MD
You know, my original intent in starting this thread was NOT to make it an us vs. them thread. But some folks took it that way, and started a "Rallying my fellow ORMs" thread. Some SDNers look for the words "URM" or "AA" or "disadvantaged" just so they can bash the thread.

As you can see, I don't plan to respond to any of that smack!

I woulld like to go to the conference. I'm excited about this new opportunity!

Where are you at in your premed route??? Still taking the classes? Past the MCAT? Applying or interviewing?
 
Originally posted by ndi_amaka
I've only heard about New Orleans....there may be a regional conference in San Fran though. last one I went to was in Houston and it was off the hook.
Have u been applying? How have ur interviews gone?

That's right, the meeting is in New Orleans. I think I remember seeing that somewhere. I don't know where I got San Fran from other than I'm originally from there. Maybe I'm just homesick for a place where race really doesn't seem to matter much😉

No, I'm currently taking working on my PhD and preparing for the MCAT. I may have to lay off the classes and focus on research next semester though to make sure I can get that over 30 score I'm shooting for. I'll be sure to keep you updated!
 
FYI, the president of Blackdoc2be will be speaking at SNMA!:clap:
 
Originally posted by ndi_amaka
Where are you at in your premed route??? Still taking the classes? Past the MCAT? Applying or interviewing?

I'm applying and hopefully will be interviewing soon. I am taking classes right (non-required sciences i.e. Micro and A&P) and volunteering as well as working full time in a hospital.
 
As the greatgrandaughter of a Latina, I've got to ask "?Donde estan? !!!
 
Originally posted by pathdr2b
Supadupafly,

Do you have any preferences in the schools you're applying to and I'm curious if you're leaning toward any specialities? I know Columbia and Einstein are thought to be very URM friendly.

Considering my grades are pretty crummy, I did have a look at the diversity of schools I applied to. Columbia seems to accept around 50% of interviewed URM students, making it a top choice. I've also heard that it's a very diverse and friendly school (although rumors of rude pretension abound). NYMC was also a biggie. They like non-trad students (which I also am), and have a very close-knit student community. OHSU was criticized in the press last year for being very "white", so they've said a bit about diversifying; I applied there to take advantage of this. Lets see... other schools I've heard were URM friendly:

Northwestern
USU
Stanford
Pitt
Jeff
Einstein
UVM
Howard

I'm trying for Phili/NYC, so I did most of my applications around there. 'Haven't looked at midwestern schools much.

I'll post about specialties later.
 
LOL this is all too funny.
@ndi_amaka, yeah I'm hoping to go for it. I'm sure if i do the medical mission trip, i definitely will.
 
thanks jamaicanMD for starting this thread....

here are my schools i am applying to:

yale
upenn
howard
umdnj-robert wood johnson
umdnj-njms
drexel
jefferson
temple
nymc
pcom
umdnj-som
nycom
albert einstein

got an interview with pcom next week...

actually interested in EM/IM programs though not many and working in my home areas (either brooklyn where i am from originally or philly where i live now)
 
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Originally posted by Alleria
Your attempt at evasion has failed. I'm not asking you about criticising the right to free spech or assembly, I'm asking about your comparisons of an online thread by pre-meds to the KKK and Nazis.

You can't answer, so you keep diverting attention away. Unfortunately, these tactics do not work with me. Trust me, they never do. Face it: you attempted to associate a bunch of premeds online with organizations responsible for genocide, and several people called you to task; I'm merely holding you to your statements.

You have failed in your argument, and you brought yourself down with over-the-top, slanderous comparisons. Don't bother responding further: you'd only further humiliate yourself.

-A

Can yall take this debate to another thread? 🙄
the URMs don't care anymore.
 
Originally posted by bullhorn
thanks jamaicanMD for starting this thread....

here are my schools i am applying to:

yale
upenn
howard
umdnj-robert wood johnson
umdnj-njms
drexel
jefferson
temple
nymc
pcom
umdnj-som
nycom
albert einstein

got an interview with pcom next week...

actually interested in EM/IM programs though not many and working in my home areas (either brooklyn where i am from originally or philly where i live now)

Impressive list of schools. Looks like I'm no the only one trying to avoid the south:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
Originally posted by pathdr2b
Impressive list of schools. Looks like I'm no the only one trying to avoid the south:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Yeah I only applied to schools in the ny, nj and pa...with my outliers in DC(howard) and Ct(yale).....i didn't want to uproute my family. (my baby is 2 months)

buuuuuut the south is not that cute either lol in terms how fun it is for a natural-hair, afrocentric woman like myself....at least from my own experiences. Many places i have been, even in predominately minority areas, have been ultra conservative...being from ny and living in philly makes it difficult for ME to adjust that lifestyle.
 
<~~~~~~~~~~~~is a Texas URM.

I applied to all the Tx schools except Baylor and TCOM. Thus far, I have interviewed at Tech, UTH, and will be interviewing at UT-San Antonio and UTMB in the coming month.

I was really surprised how much i enjoyed my stay at Tech. It's way out in West Tx where there is nothing but oil wells and cotton fields and I'm definitely an urban chick. But I really loved the people...everyone was incredibly warm and friendly. It'll be a hard decision to rank. But (figuring that Dallas may not call me for an interview) I'll rank the schools:

1. UTH
2. Tech
3. San Antonio
4. UTMB

Any other Texas applicants out there?
 
Originally posted by ndi_amaka
<~~~~~~~~~~~~is a Texas URM.

I applied to all the Tx schools except Baylor and TCOM. Thus far, I have interviewed at Tech, UTH, and will be interviewing at UT-San Antonio and UTMB in the coming month.

I was really surprised how much i enjoyed my stay at Tech. It's way out in West Tx where there is nothing but oil wells and cotton fields and I'm definitely an urban chick. But I really loved the people...everyone was incredibly warm and friendly. It'll be a hard decision to rank. But (figuring that Dallas may not call me for an interview) I'll rank the schools:

1. UTH
2. Tech
3. San Antonio
4. UTMB

Any other Texas applicants out there?

Oops, always thought u were ORM 😛 😀
 
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