This was pre-Covid, but after working at the same locums site for years, I happened to get an email from a recruiter for a locums company for the same site, for 25% more per hour. (They almost never advertise either the exact location or the hourly rate. I got lucky.) So I forwarded it to my contact at the locums company I was working with, and the answer was, "Sure, of course we can pay you that." So... if you're working locums, ASK for a raise.
Yeah we done ****ed up, mah dude/dudette. And no. Zero change aka salary drop accounting for inflation.
I saw the same post today. It briefly made me wish I had gone into rads....until I remembered that I hated rads. And that this person is a significant outlier according to MGMA data and a nocturnist to boot.
I call this rearranging the deck chairs. Seems like every 2 years my old CMG would do it. Always promised it was going to be better. Mostly just seemed like a way to obfuscate that it was worse.
Agree--AI probably deserves its own post but we already get calls in the morning about missed PEs that got picked up by AI overnight after being missed by radiology the day before. With the sheer amount of data available and accuracy of AI image interpretation, I think diagnostic radiology as a specialty will eventually cease to exist.
They're already training models to do robotic surgery without the surgeons.
I really have to get my half medicine half snake oil clinic up and running...
Yes. I have looked into this in great detail and I’ll say at least pre-covid the numbers suggest different. Go look at the EM salary surveys. Our incomes have gone way up. when I finished residency a non desireable high paying job (non locums) was 160-180/hr. I made significant less than that due to being at a good site on a partnership track. That same exact job is now paying 240 and other jobs in the same area of AZ can make 240-270/hr.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
www.acepnow.com
Did you see the one that someone dropped for the “opportunity” to get into a locums spot with the first shift being Christmas Eve for some **** rate, and the promise you could get a few shifts going forward!
The consultants who fixed up Penn have moved onto Hopkins, where the story is similar, outside of the Ivy League.
Why would they run AI overnight on studies from the day before as opposed to contemporaneously?
Yes. I have looked into this in great detail and I’ll say at least pre-covid the numbers suggest different. Go look at the EM salary surveys. Our incomes have gone way up. when I finished residency a non desireable high paying job (non locums) was 160-180/hr. I made significant less than that due to being at a good site on a partnership track. That same exact job is now paying 240 and other jobs in the same area of AZ can make 240-270/hr.
So my premise is EM docs did not on average make 350k/yr in 2004.
This is for academic jobs which back then were real academic jobs and not some HCA nonsense.
The Society for Academic Emergency Medicine's 2004-2005 emergency medicine faculty salary and benefit survey - PubMed
Reported salaries for full-time emergency medicine residency faculty continue to rise overall but fell for the first time in one region (the Midwest). Academic rank continues to correlate directly with salary. Fellowship training continues to show a negative correlation with salary. Significant...
Mean salary 189k. Today would be higher since many are really academic in name only as they are just clinicians with little if any protected time.
The best I could find was the ACEP Survey.. 2014 avg EM hourly looks like it is around $200/hr or less
How Much Do Emergency Physicians Make? A National Job Market Survey
2014–2015 Job Market for Emergency Physicians Part 2: Compensation Report
Today EM docs are making 350-380k depending on the survey you look at. I would say it’s not hard to find a job in the 230-250/hr. Are we keeping up with inflation? Nope… But its not like we dont make good money.. Should we be paid more? For sure.. but it’s hard to say we are struggling with a straight face.
One thing I will point out.. the new crop of docs graduating residency are not only more likely to fail their boards but many dont want to work a lot of hours. Be it fear of burn out.. or whatever. When i finished a group of us worked a job working a required minimum of 144 and i averaged 160hours plus and the couple of other guys with me worked around 180 hours a month. This was at very high acuity hospitals. Today docs think it is near abuse to work over 120 hours a month. I think the most likely reason the salary survey will be off (which i still think will severely crash EM pay) is that the young docs wont want to work a bunch of hours.
Bold coming from a specialty that is a glorified triage service that an online pill mill graduates can do
I don’t think his post was a shot at radiology. That is just the field that AI can be most easily trained and effective in currently.
I don't, I probably wouldn't last an hour, but undertrained APPs sure think they can. AI has also been in "training" in radiology for 20 years and the field is only getting better and advancing
I get it.. I would say about 20% of the new grads want to work.. Like really work.. high hours, high acuity high volume and high pay.
Also shows how incredibly stupid the "Ivy League" docs are.. its hilarious..
Facts dont have feelings brother..
@hopefulraddaddypls -- It seems my earlier comments might have come across as a critique of radiology, but that wasn’t my intention. My point is that when AI surpasses human accuracy in interpreting images—one of the costliest and most frequently ordered aspects of healthcare—it raises valid questions about the future of specialties like diagnostic radiology unless they add find a way to add more value to the system.
This is a perfect example from the ‘Failure’ thread. This person is an intern. Not only are residents much weaker clinically than they’ve ever been, they’re also dumber than a box of rocks.
