rank list - submit or not?

[hazlet]

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Hi, I haven't posted in these forums for a few years, but I have been reading on occassion. I'm an MS4 at a US med school applying to residency for Internal Medicine in this current cycle. I had a lot of struggles in med school, including failing step 1, repeating a year, and taking an extended leave of absence after I had a mental breakdown, more or less. During that time, I found another line of work I was much more passionate about, and actually decent at. I took a crash course and was able to get a part time job for a while.

I returned to med school after the leave of absence to finish my MD and try to find a job outside of medicine. My school's advisors advised me to apply for residency regardless, so I did. I managed to land a handful of interviews too.

Up until a couple of weeks ago, my job search had turned up dry and it seemed like going to residency was the only way I'd be able to survive. That all changed when I got a call from a company about 2 weeks ago for a competitive position and then interviewed with them over the phone. I did well on the phone interview and they subsequently offered me an in person interview at their office on the west coast this Friday. I've tried to move it up, but they haven't been able to do that, and I'm not sure I want to explain the whole situation to them.

The only problem is that the rank list is due on Wednesday night. Although I really like this job and the company, I'm not at all sure I'll actually get the job, and there are no other job offers on the table for me right now. However, if I do submit a rank list, and I do get the job, I'll be quite miserable in residency knowing that I could have had a job I really liked and that would pay enough to cover my loans and living expenses.

Should I submit a rank list and then (assuming I match) drop out of the program if I get the job? Or should I not submit a rank list and be at risk of being unemployed/unemployable after graduation if I don't land the job?

 

[Psai]

I don't know how this is even a question to you: submit a rank list because you have one job interview that is competitive and your chances are low or don't submit a rank list and waste your medical education when you don't have any guarantee for employment

Wow

 

[hazlet]

Submitting a rank list is a legally binding commitment.

I know it is a legally binding commitment, however, I have read the contract carefully and it clearly states that one can leave after the first 45 days without violating the contract.

 

[DrBowtie]

I know it is a legally binding commitment, however, I have read the contract carefully and it clearly states that one can leave after the first 45 days without violating the contract.

So said job would wait until August for you to start?

I think you have to decide if you are in medicine or leaving it behind.

 

[hazlet]

So said job would wait until August for you to start?

I think you have to decide if you are in medicine or leaving it behind.

Yes they are actually only hiring to start in September.

It's a bit difficult to make that decision in the next two days without the job in hand, however, I would prefer to leave medicine if a viable option became available.

 

[hazlet]

Is deciding to change careers completely a valid reason to apply for a match waiver?

 

[mimelim]

Hi, I haven't posted in these forums for a few years, but I have been reading on occassion. I'm an MS4 at a US med school applying to residency for Internal Medicine in this current cycle. I had a lot of struggles in med school, including failing step 1, repeating a year, and taking an extended leave of absence after I had a mental breakdown, more or less. During that time, I found another line of work I was much more passionate about, and actually decent at. I took a crash course and was able to get a part time job for a while.

I returned to med school after the leave of absence to finish my MD and try to find a job outside of medicine. My school's advisors advised me to apply for residency regardless, so I did. I managed to land a handful of interviews too.

Up until a couple of weeks ago, my job search had turned up dry and it seemed like going to residency was the only way I'd be able to survive. That all changed when I got a call from a company about 2 weeks ago for a competitive position and then interviewed with them over the phone. I did well on the phone interview and they subsequently offered me an in person interview at their office on the west coast this Friday. I've tried to move it up, but they haven't been able to do that, and I'm not sure I want to explain the whole situation to them.

The only problem is that the rank list is due on Wednesday night. Although I really like this job and the company, I'm not at all sure I'll actually get the job, and there are no other job offers on the table for me right now. However, if I do submit a rank list, and I do get the job, I'll be quite miserable in residency knowing that I could have had a job I really liked and that would pay enough to cover my loans and living expenses.

Should I submit a rank list and then (assuming I match) drop out of the program if I get the job? Or should I not submit a rank list and be at risk of being unemployed/unemployable after graduation if I don't land the job?

Submitting a rank list is a legally binding commitment. I don't know how this is even a question to you: submit a rank list because you have one job interview that is competitive and your chances are low or don't submit a rank list and waste your medical education when you don't have any guarantee for employment

Wow

http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uplo...n-Residency-Match-Applicants-and-Programs.pdf

I am not going to pretend to be a lawyer on this. However, I have been a part of our GME for several years and have read and re-read the NRMP documents on this extensively. That having been said.

Erase this notion of "legally binding commitment". It is bull****. You are not legally bound to work for someone because you match there. The match is governed by the NRMP who has authority over residency positions. Nothing else. There is nothing "legal" about it. They have every right to enforce sanctions and deny you entry into future NRMP matches, but they can not do anything else.

As long as you follow the NRMP rules regarding the match and follow through every step of the way until you are ready to change jobs, they can not do anything to you and will have your residency prospects as a backup. There is zero reason to not submit your rank list. If you get your job, you simply give notice (like with any other job) and leave. We like to see residency as some very different track from other jobs. And it is true in many regards. However, at the end of the day, it is simply a job governed by most of the same labor laws as every other job in the country.

As an aside, as someone who helps administrate a residency, it puts a program (depending on the size) in a bit of a bind when someone drops out last minute. It also negatively impacts the other residents since they have to pick up the slack. However, this happens all the time. People leave residencies. They don't show up for day 1. It is relatively rare, but it certainly does happen. Just realize that once you have broken that agreement with the NRMP, it will be very difficult to attain a residency position in the future. There is no legal penalty for breaking NRMP rules.

 

[J ROD]

I agree with the above. You can submit a ROL and if you get the job, leave for it.

But, know you will probably never get another shot at a residency position.

 

[hazlet]

I agree with the above. You can submit a ROL and if you get the job, leave for it.

But, know you will probably never get another shot at a residency position.

Would that be any different if I did not submit a ROL? Would I have a shot at residency next year if I didn't get the job? Or would that equally hurt my chances?

 

[J ROD]

Would that be any different if I did not submit a ROL? Would I have a shot at residency next year if I didn't get the job? Or would that equally hurt my chances?

You have to explain why you did not participate in the MATCH. And being out a year would make the application less next year.

 

[evilbooyaa]

Would that be any different if I did not submit a ROL? Would I have a shot at residency next year if I didn't get the job? Or would that equally hurt my chances?

You'd be the same below average candidate, now with an additional red flag of not applying as a US senior. Not good for further chances at securing a residency.

100% agree with mimelim. Do what he says. Submit a ROL, if you get the job and really don't want to do medicine, just peaceout (giving your 45 days notice if you can) and go work at your other job.

 

[hazlet]

You'd be the same below average candidate, now with an additional red flag of not applying as a US senior. Not good for further chances at securing a residency.

100% agree with mimelim. Do what he says. Submit a ROL, if you get the job and really don't want to do medicine, just peaceout (giving your 45 days notice if you can) and go work at your other job.

Right. I was just wondering if one was worse than the other. Certainly both are bad.

 

[evilbooyaa]

Right. I was just wondering if one was worse than the other. Certainly both are bad.

Yes, if you don't submit a ROL this year and happen to apply next year, you will look worse, regardless of whether you submitted a ROL this past year or not.

 

[J ROD]

Yeah, best option is to go for it this year and then see what happens with job and whether or not you want to pursue medicine. Plus, you have already interviewed, etc. Might as well take your best shot this year.

 

[atomi]

Hi, I haven't posted in these forums for a few years, but I have been reading on occassion. I'm an MS4 at a US med school applying to residency for Internal Medicine in this current cycle. I had a lot of struggles in med school, including failing step 1, repeating a year, and taking an extended leave of absence after I had a mental breakdown, more or less. During that time, I found another line of work I was much more passionate about, and actually decent at. I took a crash course and was able to get a part time job for a while.

I returned to med school after the leave of absence to finish my MD and try to find a job outside of medicine. My school's advisors advised me to apply for residency regardless, so I did. I managed to land a handful of interviews too.

Up until a couple of weeks ago, my job search had turned up dry and it seemed like going to residency was the only way I'd be able to survive. That all changed when I got a call from a company about 2 weeks ago for a competitive position and then interviewed with them over the phone. I did well on the phone interview and they subsequently offered me an in person interview at their office on the west coast this Friday. I've tried to move it up, but they haven't been able to do that, and I'm not sure I want to explain the whole situation to them.

The only problem is that the rank list is due on Wednesday night. Although I really like this job and the company, I'm not at all sure I'll actually get the job, and there are no other job offers on the table for me right now. However, if I do submit a rank list, and I do get the job, I'll be quite miserable in residency knowing that I could have had a job I really liked and that would pay enough to cover my loans and living expenses.

Should I submit a rank list and then (assuming I match) drop out of the program if I get the job? Or should I not submit a rank list and be at risk of being unemployed/unemployable after graduation if I don't land the job?

You made the mistake of going to med school without being committed to it. Medicine only works if you focus on it. Trying to feel out alternative careers while you're in med school is a recipe for disaster. At this point, by some miracle and grace, you have been able to get through med school and get residency interviews. It's like you are trying to do everything possible to totally sabotage your chances at a good medical career, and still people are bending over backwards to open new doors of opportunity for you after you did all but deadbolt them shut. The reason you've done this is because somewhere in the back of your mind you knew you could keep med school on the back burner. Why? I don't know. Does the job and income security give you some sense of safety? Well it should. And that's about to vanish. If you don't submit a rank list, match, and complete a residency, it will most likely be over for real this time. And there will be no more security in the back of your head. You will be totally reliant on your new career from here on out. Whether it's auto mechanic, video game programmer, chef, whatever... when you are 50 and your work dries up, you can't just hop right back into residency. Whereas if you are a board certified IM doc, your path to a comfortable retirement is all but set.

This is a no-brainer. Get down on your knees, and give thanks like you've never given before that you still have this opportunity. Put whatever else you were doing completely 100% out of your mind, and make medicine your life for the next whopping three years (you've been in med school now what, 6? 7?) If you absolutely can't stand it after that, then quit. You can always come back at that point if you need to. But if you leave now, you're done forever.

You should seek counseling if you haven't already. You're experiencing what people go through when they have affairs. They don't understand that they have poised the question to themselves: Do I want to be in this relationship anymore? They delude themselves that they are just testing the waters when the reality is that their actions undeniably answer "no, my mind is out of this relationship." Once they realize this and understand their untenable position, then they can make the conscious decision to either stop the affair or to accept they are done with the relationship and end it. Likewise your mind is not in medicine currently. This is evidenced by you actively applying for jobs outside of medicine right before the rank list is due. You're not testing the waters. Your mind is actively outside of medicine and you cannot continue. You must either decide to stop cheating on medicine for good and never think about your other career as a viable option ever again, or you must dump medicine, and realize that she never, ever, will take you back.

 

[atomi]

Is deciding to change careers completely a valid reason to apply for a match waiver?

Why? Why does it matter? Can't you see how insane this is? You are worried about staying in the good graces with the NRMP when you are trying to leave the profession? If you're leaving the profession, WHO CARES? You are trying to have your cake and eat too. You can't. You cannot continue down the non-medical career path without permanently burning the bridge into physicianhood. Your MD is worthless without a residency. Your thought process is fundamentally screwed up and you need to straighten it out first by accepting the finality of your situation and understanding that you cannot continue the charade of being a minimally-invested medical student who comes and goes to the pursuit of clinical medicine. See above.

Edit: The more I read your posts in this thread, the more I realize how unable you are to make this life-altering decision right now. You need to buy yourself some time. You need to submit the ROL, then seek counseling asap. Do not use this time to pursue other non-medical jobs. Use this time to work out your issues and mentally prepare for residency. Any counselor who isn't a total quack will understand that continuing in medicine is the correct choice and will help you understand your doubts, fear of committing to it, your motivations for looking elsewhere. and help you realize on your own why it's the right thing to do. I struggled with similar issues the first few years of med school and a non-biased third party provided a voice of reason I could not hear own my own.

 

[hazlet]

You made the mistake of going to med school without being committed to it. Medicine only works if you focus on it. Trying to feel out alternative careers while you're in med school is a recipe for disaster. At this point, by some miracle and grace, you have been able to get through med school and get residency interviews. It's like you are trying to do everything possible to totally sabotage your chances at a good medical career, and still people are bending over backwards to open new doors of opportunity for you after you did all but deadbolt them shut. The reason you've done this is because somewhere in the back of your mind you knew you could keep med school on the back burner. Why? I don't know. Does the job and income security give you some sense of safety? Well it should. And that's about to vanish. If you don't submit a rank list, match, and complete a residency, it will most likely be over for real this time. And there will be no more security in the back of your head. You will be totally reliant on your new career from here on out. Whether it's auto mechanic, video game programmer, chef, whatever... when you are 50 and your work dries up, you can't just hop right back into residency. Whereas if you are a board certified IM doc, your path to a comfortable retirement is all but set.

This is a no-brainer. Get down on your knees, and give thanks like you've never given before that you still have this opportunity. Put whatever else you were doing completely 100% out of your mind, and make medicine your life for the next whopping three years (you've been in med school now what, 6? 7?) If you absolutely can't stand it after that, then quit. You can always come back at that point if you need to. But if you leave now, you're done forever.

You should seek counseling if you haven't already. You're experiencing what people go through when they have affairs. They don't understand that they have poised the question to themselves: Do I want to be in this relationship anymore? They delude themselves that they are just testing the waters when the reality is that their actions undeniably answer "no, my mind is out of this relationship." Once they realize this and understand their untenable position, then they can make the conscious decision to either stop the affair or to accept they are done with the relationship and end it. Likewise your mind is not in medicine currently. This is evidenced by you actively applying for jobs outside of medicine right before the rank list is due. You're not testing the waters. Your mind is actively outside of medicine and you cannot continue. You must either decide to stop cheating on medicine for good and never think about your other career as a viable option ever again, or you must dump medicine, and realize that she never, ever, will take you back.

I appreciate this well thought out response, and a lot of what you said is good advice. However, I don't believe that medicine is a sacred calling which we cannot be unfaithful to. It is a job with an especially long training pathway, but a job nonetheless. Like any other job, if we are struggling and find a better opportunity, we should take it. However, conventional wisdom dictates that you don't leave a job, no matter how much you dislike it, until you have another firm job offer in hand.

 

[J ROD]

I appreciate this well thought out response, and a lot of what you said is good advice. However, I don't believe that medicine is a sacred calling which we cannot be unfaithful to. It is a job with an especially long training pathway, but a job nonetheless. Like any other job, if we are struggling and find a better opportunity, we should take it. However, conventional wisdom dictates that you don't leave a job, no matter how much you dislike it, until you have another firm job offer in hand.

That's why I think you should apply for the match this year. And see what happens with the job.

 

[mimelim]

Why? Why does it matter? Can't you see how insane this is? You are worried about staying in the good graces with the NRMP when you are trying to leave the profession? If you're leaving the profession, WHO CARES? You are trying to have your cake and eat too. You can't. You cannot continue down the non-medical career path without permanently burning the bridge into physicianhood. Your MD is worthless without a residency. Your thought process is fundamentally screwed up and you need to straighten it out first by accepting the finality of your situation and understanding that you cannot continue the charade of being a minimally-invested medical student who comes and goes to the pursuit of clinical medicine. See above.

Edit: The more I read your posts in this thread, the more I realize how unable you are to make this life-altering decision right now. You need to buy yourself some time. You need to submit the ROL, then seek counseling asap. Do not use this time to pursue other non-medical jobs. Use this time to work out your issues and mentally prepare for residency. Any counselor who isn't a total quack will understand that continuing in medicine is the correct choice and will help you understand your doubts, fear of committing to it, your motivations for looking elsewhere. and help you realize on your own why it's the right thing to do. I struggled with similar issues the first few years of med school and a non-biased third party provided a voice of reason I could not hear own my own.

A US MD is not worthless without a residency. It is a fairly big boost in several non-physician job markets. Is it the end all, be all? No. But, to say that it is "worthless" is a bit naive, especially if you haven't explored other job opportunities yourself.

Further, residency is not for everyone and getting out earlier than later is by far better, both from a financial and mental health perspective. Residency attrition is a real thing. In some fields/areas 20%+. It is especially high for people that know ahead of time that they probably shouldn't have gone into medicine in the first place. While for YOU it may have been a commitment issue, not everyone is this way. There are simply a very large number of people who medicine is the wrong career path. It is ridiculous to say, "Push on no matter what you feel."

 

[bc65]

Believe me, employers will tell you that you have a job, and suddenly, after you move to a new city, that job disappears. Similarly, employees don't show up for their new jobs. It happens all the time. Often, it's out of people's control. Other times, it isn't. Either way, just do what's best for you. In this case, put in the match list, and go for the job interview.

If possible, I think you should just go ahead and do an internship at least. That way you will be a licensed physician. That might be useful in the future. On the other hand, if you're sure that you won't or can't function as an MD, just walk away and never look back.

 

[hazlet]

Believe me, employers will tell you that you have a job, and suddenly, after you move to a new city, that job disappears. Similarly, employees don't show up for their new jobs. It happens all the time. Often, it's out of people's control. Other times, it isn't. Either way, just do what's best for you. In this case, put in the match list, and go for the job interview.

If possible, I think you should just go ahead and do an internship at least. That way you will be a licensed physician. That might be useful in the future. On the other hand, if you're sure that you won't or can't function as an MD, just walk away and never look back.

Thanks for the advice! In terms of the internship, if I were to do my intern year in a state that requires 2 or 3 years of postgraduate training to obtain a license, would I still be able to obtain a license in a different state that only requires 1 year? Or must you obtain your initial license in the state you train? I did google this and wasn't able to find an answer.

 

[bc65]

if I were to do my intern year in a state that requires 2 or 3 years of postgraduate training to obtain a license, would I still be able to obtain a license in a different state that only requires 1 year? Or must you obtain your initial license in the state you train?

I didn't know that some states require more than one year of training to be licensed, so I can't really answer your question. You would have to go to the website for each state and see what their requirements are.

Generally, though, what most people do is get a license during their residency. Then, if you plan on practicing in another state, you get a license to practice there as well. Most states have reciprocity with other states. So once you have the first license, it's easy to get the second one. Some states don't have reciprocity, but will give you a license easily if you're within a few years of your residency. It may be harder later, especially if you haven't been in active practice. I suspect that it would be hard to find a state that would license you if you haven't practiced there and don't have a license anywhere, but you'll have to go to each state and find out.

 

[NotAProgDirector]

I agree that the best likely course of action is to submit an ROL, and pursue this other opportunity in parallel. Then, the road forks:

1. You get this job -- in that case, you either resign from your residency after 45 days, or just quit, or not even start. Although staying 45 days will avoid an NRMP sanction, your chances of getting another spot after leaving precipitously like this are slim in any case. Imagine that you stay 45 days and quit, work in this job, and then that company goes bankrupt. Now you want to come back to medicine. When you apply to me, I'll see someone who will likely bail when the next non-clinical opportunity comes along, and I'll be very unlikely to consider you at all -- especially with your rocky past. So ultimately most paths here to return to clinical medicine are dead ends. If possible I'd stay the 45 days to avoid the sanction -- you'd have a better chance of getting a new spot without it. Even if you withdraw from the match now, your chances of getting a spot in a future match aren't good.

2. You don't get this job -- in that case, you start residency. This assumes you match, which doesn't sound guaranteed given how you've described the situation. If you withdraw and don't get the job, your prospects next year are not likely to be much better and probably much worse.

TL;DR version: You're a weak candidate with lots of red flags. This is your best chance to match, and you should try to do so. If you get this other position you'll resign, preferably with the 45 days completed, but if need be without. Should you drop out of your residency, the chances of ever getting a spot again are slim so make the best of your non-clinical career plan. If you withdraw, your application will be weaker next year.

 

[bc65]

OP, I don't know what your second career is, nor how much it pays. I also don't know that state of your mental health. However, I would strongly urge you to do your residency now while you can. If you can't handle it and you have to drop out later, then do so. But it might be easier for you to get through it, knowing that you won't have to do this for the rest of your life. And lots of people would love the opportunity to be a doctor for a short period of time. Granted, one to three years is a substantial period of time, but it's worth giving it a try, since you've come this far.

Meanwhile, this second career of yours doesn't sound like much of a sure thing if you "took a crash course in it" and only had a part time job and one interview. Apply to the match, get a position if you can, and do the best you can to get through the residency. Then bail later if you must. Also, once you finish the residency, there will likely be plenty of non-clinical administrative jobs available. Those would be nice to have later if you want to eat and have a roof over your head.

 

[hazlet]

OP, I don't know what your second career is, nor how much it pays. I also don't know that state of your mental health. However, I would strongly urge you to do your residency now while you can. If you can't handle it and you have to drop out later, then do so. But it might be easier for you to get through it, knowing that you won't have to do this for the rest of your life. And lots of people would love the opportunity to be a doctor for a short period of time. Granted, one to three years is a substantial period of time, but it's worth giving it a try, since you've come this far.

Meanwhile, this second career of yours doesn't sound like much of a sure thing if you "took a crash course in it" and only had a part time job and one interview. Apply to the match, get a position if you can, and do the best you can to get through the residency. Then bail later if you must. Also, once you finish the residency, there will likely be plenty of non-clinical administrative jobs available. Those would be nice to have later if you want to eat and have a roof over your head.

Thanks. I'll try my best and see if residency works out for me. The second career is something I wanted to do since I was a kid. I've been fascinated with it for a long time, but chose medicine because it seemed a more stable and secure job. It's only once I was too far in that I started to regret not having at least tried the other career. After struggling in med school, I gave it a shot and found that I'm actually pretty good at it, even with just a crash course. It's not a sure thing, but I know that if I put my mind to it and work really hard at mastering it, I can make it - and I'm ready to give it my all. I'd just like to keep the door to medicine as open as I can (if at all possible) because yes, this job is not as stable as medicine, although there are millions of people out there doing it as their one and only job and doing quite fine.

 

[atomi]

I agree that the best likely course of action is to submit an ROL, and pursue this other opportunity in parallel.

No, No, No, No, No.

It is terrible advice to suggest that he continue pursuing both opportunities. That is how he got in this position to begin with. He needs to pick one and never look back. Medicine will provide you with a lifetime of high consistent earnings, job flexibility, and a personally satisfying career that has meaning/impact. It is not "just a job" as he claims. Even if he absolutely hates clinical medicine, there are very good non-clinical or minimally clinical opportunities for board certified internists. If he wants to stay in medicine, there are many different specialties to choose from if he doesn't like general practice. This is an enormous opportunity he spent 6-7 years to get. At that absolute minimum, he owes it to himself to complete internship and give it a fair shake (which you really need to do PGY-2 also since internship will make virtually anybody want to quit, and at that point you might as well do PGY-3). We are not talking about a 7-10 year residency here. 3 years and you're out, earning a reasonable income for someone his age as you go. THEN you can decide if you want to leave and go for another career, investigate non-clinical options, etc. I went through a lot of the same stuff, and am so thankful I made the decision I did to stick it out. It would be such a shame to throw this opportunity away when you were in your late 20s only 30 years later to constantly dwell: "well, being an iphone app developer from home seemed like a good idea at the time, but there are none of those around anymore. I sure do still see a lot of doctors around though."

 

[hazlet]

No, No, No, No, No.

It is terrible advice to suggest that he continue pursuing both opportunities. That is how he got in this position to begin with. He needs to pick one and never look back. Medicine will provide you with a lifetime of high consistent earnings, job flexibility, and a personally satisfying career that has meaning/impact. It is not "just a job" as he claims. Even if he absolutely hates clinical medicine, there are very good non-clinical or minimally clinical opportunities for board certified internists. If he wants to stay in medicine, there are many different specialties to choose from if he doesn't like general practice. This is an enormous opportunity he spent 6-7 years to get. At that absolute minimum, he owes it to himself to complete internship and give it a fair shake (which you really need to do PGY-2 also since internship will make virtually anybody want to quit, and at that point you might as well do PGY-3). We are not talking about a 7-10 year residency here. 3 years and you're out, earning a reasonable income for someone his age as you go. THEN you can decide if you want to leave and go for another career, investigate non-clinical options, etc. I went through a lot of the same stuff, and am so thankful I made the decision I did to stick it out. It would be such a shame to throw this opportunity away when you were in your late 20s only 30 years later to constantly dwell: "well, being an iphone app developer from home seemed like a good idea at the time, but there are none of those around anymore. I sure do still see a lot of doctors around though."

I understand that you're very passionate about medicine, and it's great that you've found a career that fits what you want out of life. However, it's not the right career for everyone. If it was, every smart, motivated person in the country would be applying to medical school. Your advice about sticking with residency for 3 years is not a bad one, because it will provide an excellent backup plan if things don't work out - and I will most likely do just that. But I believe @mimelim is correct in saying that medicine is not for everyone, and there is nothing wrong with looking for other things one can do with an MD +/- residency.

 

[atomi]

But I believe @mimelim is correct in saying that medicine is not for everyone, and there is nothing wrong with looking for other things one can do with an MD +/- residency.

You're listening to the advice you want to hear and ignoring that which you don't. I disagree strongly with the advice given that you mention. Do me a favor. Bookmark this page and set a reminder on your google account for 10 years from today. On that day, necrobump this thread and let us know if leaving medicine was the right decision and you have no regrets. I've said my peace. Good luck.

 

[hazlet]

Well, I submitted a rank list, so I guess this thread is done now.

 

[hazlet]

You're listening to the advice you want to hear and ignoring that which you don't. I disagree strongly with the advice given that you mention. Do me a favor. Bookmark this page and set a reminder on your google account for 10 years from today. On that day, necrobump this thread and let us know if leaving medicine was the right decision and you have no regrets. I've said my peace. Good luck.

I submitted the rank list.. So I'm not leaving, now.

 

[J ROD]

Well, I submitted a rank list, so I guess this thread is done now.

Apparently, you do not know SDN. Folks are still gonna argue with you. lol