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Baby is approaching 20lbs and my back is continuing to get worse. He also wants to be rough-housed and thrown around like a boy. I'm not sure what I can do about this and it makes me sad to think maybe soon I won't be able to play with him like he likes. I've brought up to Drs over the year my back and they're pretty much like "whelp there's nothing we can do bc surgery might make it worse, try lidocaine patches!" I'm having back spasms daily and they make me feel like I'm going to puke from pain. Maybe I should see a neurologist again?

tldr: old neck fracture, syrinx, chronic pain, idk what to do anymore

edit to add: for some reason being pregnant made it way better (stem cells???) but since i've been pp its gotten a lot worse. Can't constantly be pregnant lol.
Not quite the same. I fell apart once I got pregnant-torn acl and meniscus left side. Developed platar fascitis pp still dealing with that also left side. Followed by l sided lower back pain-cue arthritis and muscle imbalance plus sad core pp. And ruptured my left ear drum 🫠

Idk how bad your back pain is but yes around 20lbs is where I started to question life. I'd recommend trying some different carriers for carrying baby. Maybe get a referral for PT too? I definitely do some things modified though and cant do extended periods of holding up high/throwing around
 
plus sad core pp.
Yeah this is an issue for me already at 14-15ish lb (she's getting weighed next week, idk where we're at actually). I thought I made it out of pregnancy relatively unscathed, my biggest issues were/are pubic symphysis pain (still present but better), awful awful awful pulsatile tinnitus (still present but better), and then a few things that popped up temporarily in the first 1-2 months after having her - ask me about how infant care goes when both of your hands are completely numb lol.

As the beeb has gotten bigger and I've returned to work, my lower back hurts a lot and it never did before. I talked to my PCP and she was like 'well yeah because your core is destroyed.' Like I guess I didn't realize that always happened? Because no one told me? I thought only some women's cores got obliterated because I didn't notice or feel anything different PP.

But moral of the story, work on your core PP to protect your back. Katie obvi you have a more complicated situation but I hope that some PT/core work might be what you need to get back to your 'normal,' at minimum.


*Insert rant about how mothers are quite literally abandoned by the health system/their providers once they leave the hospital*
 
Yeah this is an issue for me already at 14-15ish lb (she's getting weighed next week, idk where we're at actually). I thought I made it out of pregnancy relatively unscathed, my biggest issues were/are pubic symphysis pain (still present but better), awful awful awful pulsatile tinnitus (still present but better), and then a few things that popped up temporarily in the first 1-2 months after having her - ask me about how infant care goes when both of your hands are completely numb lol.

As the beeb has gotten bigger and I've returned to work, my lower back hurts a lot and it never did before. I talked to my PCP and she was like 'well yeah because your core is destroyed.' Like I guess I didn't realize that always happened? Because no one told me? I thought only some women's cores got obliterated because I didn't notice or feel anything different PP.

But moral of the story, work on your core PP to protect your back. Katie obvi you have a more complicated situation but I hope that some PT/core work might be what you need to get back to your 'normal,' at minimum.


*Insert rant about how mothers are quite literally abandoned by the health system/their providers once they leave the hospital*
lol everyday I discover new things about pregnancy / pp/ bfing that I never knew and I’m like gee why didn’t anyone tell me this?!
 
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I talked to my PCP and she was like 'well yeah because your core is destroyed.' Like I guess I didn't realize that always happened?

Like, while I want to say yes, but also there are things that can be done to help too like the PT stuff. I wish it was a more proactive discussion. Like having to be moms do some physical activity to build that core strength during pregnancy. I wish I had continued to work out during the daughter-neice's pregnancy to help with the core and back strength. I had a brief peri-umbilical hernia last November that self-resolved after doing a ton of yard work.
 
Pelvic floor therapy post-partum worked wonders for me. Not only did we work on the pelvic floor stuff, but core strength and other random aches and pains I had too that popped up.
I was pretty aggressive in getting a pelvic floor pt referal from my ob pp but honestly don't feel like it helped me a ton. I do think Im going to make the 2hr drive and go to a pelvic floor pt specialist next time. I dont think the gal I went to was very versed in it. It was fine but I dont feel I got alot out of it. Like do some kegels and pair it with these few exercises. Probably didnt help that i started falling apart all at once so I was still doing acl rehab plus pelvic floor plus plantar fascitis and I think mainly she was still focusing on my acl eventhough I had seperate referrals.
 
my biggest issues were/are pubic symphysis pain (still present but better)

As the beeb has gotten bigger and I've returned to work, my lower back hurts a lot and it never did before. I talked to my PCP and she was like 'well yeah because your core is destroyed.' Like I guess I didn't realize that always happened? Because no one told me? I thought only some women's cores got obliterated because I didn't notice or feel anything different PP
The public symphysis paid was the WORST 110% I was so happy I had to be induced a little early so I could walk without pain again. Doing my 8-10 hr shifts on my feet all day was killing me.

Yeah like ik my core was going to be weak but I guess not as bad as it is persay. I thought like only if you got diastasis recti that you should be super concerned about the core.
 
I was pretty aggressive in getting a pelvic floor pt referal from my ob pp but honestly don't feel like it helped me a ton. I do think Im going to make the 2hr drive and go to a pelvic floor pt specialist next time. I dont think the gal I went to was very versed in it. It was fine but I dont feel I got alot out of it. Like do some kegels and pair it with these few exercises. Probably didnt help that i started falling apart all at once so I was still doing acl rehab plus pelvic floor plus plantar fascitis and I think mainly she was still focusing on my acl eventhough I had seperate referrals.
Aw, that's unfortunate! Mine was definitely more than just kegels, and it was also virtual! Never had to leave my house, which was super nice haha. I ended up using a private group because the PT group in the large hospital network I use for literally everything else for some reason didn't take my insurance? Worked out though, and plan on doing it again during my next pregnancy (if I have one) and post-partum.
 
Nothing like coming into your clerkships last week, when the moderator decided to randomly put in grades for week 1 and 2 after providing no feedback. Got to love that my midpoint says I’m meeting expectations but my soap feedback rubric say I can’t take a history.

I’m so mad because I have no time to fix it
 
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Cause there's obviously so much free CE on zoological species 🤔🙄
And there are also not enough free webinars happening that I'm aware of? Am I really gonna chase down every free webinar in the country? Our state vet does 1-hour CE webinars like once every other month or so...still not enough. I've yet to find any free on demand webinars, even for 0.5 or one credit. So if anyone knows of anything, let me know lol
 
And there are also not enough free webinars happening that I'm aware of? Am I really gonna chase down every free webinar in the country? Our state vet does 1-hour CE webinars like once every other month or so...still not enough. I've yet to find any free on demand webinars, even for 0.5 or one credit. So if anyone knows of anything, let me know lol
The USDA accreditation modules can count as CE I think? Or at least my state accepts them I think, even if they aren’t RACE approved. I assume you have to be certified at a zoo because of transports?

The zoo conferences seem to be super expensive, especially for nondiplomates (glares at the $1600 registration fee for AAZV even though my company paid it for me).
 
The USDA accreditation modules can count as CE I think? Or at least my state accepts them I think, even if they aren’t RACE approved. I assume you have to be certified at a zoo because of transports?

The zoo conferences seem to be super expensive, especially for nondiplomates (glares at the $1600 registration fee for AAZV even though my company paid it for me).
I'm not due for renewal until 2028 and when I tried to do it early last time, I learned that you can't do the modules more than 6 months ahead of your renewal date...

Yeah AAZV is EXPENSIVE. They are absolutely pricing out students, vets at smaller zoos/wildlife centers/other, and even us at bigger zoos at this point. And they know it's a problem but I think because it's a small conference (relatively speaking) that doesn't help?

Like I could go to a weekend conference in my state for less than half the cost of AAZV and get more CE hours and meals covered with that registration fee.
 
Like I could go to a weekend conference in my state for less than half the cost of AAZV and get more CE hours and meals covered with that registration fee.
Yeah, I have been going to little local weekend conferences for most of my CE because it’s cheaper and I don’t want to travel. But my pathology maintenance of certification requires a certain number of hours of “specialist level” CE aka path conference or ACVIM or AAZV or something so every few years I have to pony up and go to a bigger conference.
 
And there are also not enough free webinars happening that I'm aware of? Am I really gonna chase down every free webinar in the country? Our state vet does 1-hour CE webinars like once every other month or so...still not enough. I've yet to find any free on demand webinars, even for 0.5 or one credit. So if anyone knows of anything, let me know lol

Are you a member of VIN? If you do any of the rounds in real time, it's free CE with your membership
 
Are you a member of VIN? If you do any of the rounds in real time, it's free CE with your membership
We have a shared team membership, I'll have to see if I can get individual CE credits even though it's not in my name

Vetgirl does a handful of free live ones that different companies sponsor. I wanna say Royal Canin and hills both have tons of free CE as well. Idexx def does and probably antech. Had you had this post literally a singular week ago I would’ve sent you the link for IntroVet’s free 6 hours of CE they just did this past Sunday 😂
I KNOW I SAW THE INTROVET THING YESTERDAY! So annoyed.

Also if you hear of any free dinner lectures around these parts, let me know. I miss those, we never hear about those in zoo med
 
My boss, who did not budget appropriately for the CE needs of four vets/three techs: "Well, guess you're going to have to sit through a million free webinars."
For your technicians, not sure if it's still free, but Internal Medicine for Vet Techs has podcasts and companion CE on their website!
 
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And replacing what she took with sodium chloride, which to me is the worst part about this because patients were not getting the pain medications they needed.
There was a human nurse in labor and delivery doing this a few years ago so they were giving women saline instead of fent for C-sections. She was caught because the patients were in excruciating pain.

 
The amount of healthcare professionals diverting drugs is probably higher than we think. I wouldn't be shocked if it's in the high single digits (like 7% of healthcare professionals divert, as an example)
I bet you're right. If not for self use, to sell.

Hell, I'm as sure as I possibly can be that I myself worked for a vet that was diverting. She owned the clinic and had extremely high staff turnover so it was easy for her to do.

Edit: Also I wish diverting was more talked about in vet med. Like we should all have specific training required by each state board that goes over warning signs/red flags, for example. It's not common but it could happen in any clinic and is something we all need to be vigilant of.
 
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And replacing what she took with sodium chloride, which to me is the worst part about this because patients were not getting the pain medications they needed.
yeah this part sucks extra and I think goes to show how desperate people in the throes of addiction can be. There are a few comments on these articles from previous coworkers of hers that say how shocked they are/how great of a tech she is (or was?) so it's obvious she fell into addiction at some point and is not some bad person or animal torturer.

frankly idk how you come back from this career-wise though. If that is what she choeses for herself once she hopefully achieves sobriety.
 
Ranting because I'm having decision paralysis/future anxieties. I am planning to practice either equine or mixed animal medicine upon graduation. I know that I still have like 2 years until i graduate but I'm starting to stress about where I will be working/what I'll be doing after school. The area where I am from (MD) there are lots of private ambulatory equine vets but not many hospitals and only 2 or 3 mixed animal clinics. I haven't decided on if I want to do an internship for a year in academia just to get the experience and cases under my belt, but it was brought to my attention when i was at a referral center for rotations this summer that they are interested in me for an internship. I have a great relationship with a mixed animal practice in my area, however they are full to the brim on doctors and I don't think that anyone is retiring/leaving anytime soon. Another mixed animal clinic in my area I worked at for a very short time and did not agree with the quality of medicine practiced there. The third mixed animal practice does not have equine clients as far as I am aware.

For some added context which complicates my job choices is that my partner works in law enforcement and cannot transfer without forfeiting his time, so we would essentially be doing long distance for ANOTHER year if I did an internship. It also has a significant impact on the type of job I should accept after graduation because he works midnights on a rotating schedule, therefore a solo ambulatory practitioner role is not something I think a) I would be happy in long term or b) would be sustainable when we decide to have children. I refuse to have children and then their grandparents raise them.

Idk... I know that this is sort of dramatic but needed a place to rant that isn't someone in my close circle. Any input/advice is welcome. Sincerely, a worry-wart of a 3rd year veterinary student.
 
Ranting because I'm having decision paralysis/future anxieties. I am planning to practice either equine or mixed animal medicine upon graduation. I know that I still have like 2 years until i graduate but I'm starting to stress about where I will be working/what I'll be doing after school. The area where I am from (MD) there are lots of private ambulatory equine vets but not many hospitals and only 2 or 3 mixed animal clinics. I haven't decided on if I want to do an internship for a year in academia just to get the experience and cases under my belt, but it was brought to my attention when i was at a referral center for rotations this summer that they are interested in me for an internship. I have a great relationship with a mixed animal practice in my area, however they are full to the brim on doctors and I don't think that anyone is retiring/leaving anytime soon. Another mixed animal clinic in my area I worked at for a very short time and did not agree with the quality of medicine practiced there. The third mixed animal practice does not have equine clients as far as I am aware.

For some added context which complicates my job choices is that my partner works in law enforcement and cannot transfer without forfeiting his time, so we would essentially be doing long distance for ANOTHER year if I did an internship. It also has a significant impact on the type of job I should accept after graduation because he works midnights on a rotating schedule, therefore a solo ambulatory practitioner role is not something I think a) I would be happy in long term or b) would be sustainable when we decide to have children. I refuse to have children and then their grandparents raise them.

Idk... I know that this is sort of dramatic but needed a place to rant that isn't someone in my close circle. Any input/advice is welcome. Sincerely, a worry-wart of a 3rd year veterinary student.
That is a tough situation.
You mentioned that there are some hospitals in your area -- do any of them offer internships that are in reasonable commute distance? Can any of the equine-only practices support a new grad with mentorship?

Unfortunately I don't have advice for the scheduling complications as those that I know who work ambulatory gp are either childless or have spouses who stay home, though I'm sure it's possible to find somewhere that has a more flexible arrangement for on-call duties.
 
Ranting because I'm having decision paralysis/future anxieties. I am planning to practice either equine or mixed animal medicine upon graduation. I know that I still have like 2 years until i graduate but I'm starting to stress about where I will be working/what I'll be doing after school. The area where I am from (MD) there are lots of private ambulatory equine vets but not many hospitals and only 2 or 3 mixed animal clinics. I haven't decided on if I want to do an internship for a year in academia just to get the experience and cases under my belt, but it was brought to my attention when i was at a referral center for rotations this summer that they are interested in me for an internship. I have a great relationship with a mixed animal practice in my area, however they are full to the brim on doctors and I don't think that anyone is retiring/leaving anytime soon. Another mixed animal clinic in my area I worked at for a very short time and did not agree with the quality of medicine practiced there. The third mixed animal practice does not have equine clients as far as I am aware.

For some added context which complicates my job choices is that my partner works in law enforcement and cannot transfer without forfeiting his time, so we would essentially be doing long distance for ANOTHER year if I did an internship. It also has a significant impact on the type of job I should accept after graduation because he works midnights on a rotating schedule, therefore a solo ambulatory practitioner role is not something I think a) I would be happy in long term or b) would be sustainable when we decide to have children. I refuse to have children and then their grandparents raise them.

Idk... I know that this is sort of dramatic but needed a place to rant that isn't someone in my close circle. Any input/advice is welcome. Sincerely, a worry-wart of a 3rd year veterinary student.
My boyfriend, turned fiance, turned husband and I did a LOTTT of long distance, even after we were married. Many, many, many vet people do long distance at some point in their careers and even more are doing it during vet school.

Things to consider:
1. One year is temporary and goes by quickly, especially if you are both pretty busy with work. If you decide on an internship, it will be the fastest year of your life.
2. You never know when someone is going to leave/retire, or when a place decides they need another vet on board. Check job boards weekly. Don't be afraid to reach out to practice managers and express interest in joining their team either, you don't know what talks those teams are having.
3. Would you be happy/fulfilled in small animal practice if it meant living with your partner sooner, while you see if any equine/mixed jobs open up?
4. Does partner need to hit a certain milestone to avoid forfeiting their time, or is that going to happen no matter what if they transfer?
5. How far are you willing to commute? Are there any mixed/equine hospitals farther out that you could look into?
-If you find a hospital farther out, would partner be willing to move to the halfway point between their job and yours?
6. Everything is temporary. You are never stuck or locked in to something (aside from contract obligations, so be careful with what you sign). If you choose something, it does not have to be permanent if you don't want it to be.
 
I don’t have a whole lot to add except to say that while I understand wanting to know what the future holds, a LOT can happen in two years. Even if places don’t have openings now doesn’t mean they won’t in two years. Practice culture somewhere you loved can change rapidly if there are staffing, management, or corporate changes to a clinic. So I would just keep your options open and try not to worry about it too much at this point. Which I know is way easier said than done.
 
I bet you're right. If not for self use, to sell.

Hell, I'm as sure as I possibly can be that I myself worked for a vet that was diverting. She owned the clinic and had extremely high staff turnover so it was easy for her to do.

Edit: Also I wish diverting was more talked about in vet med. Like we should all have specific training required by each state board that goes over warning signs/red flags, for example. It's not common but it could happen in any clinic and is something we all need to be vigilant of.
Honestly agreed. I haven’t been in a clinic setting with drug use necessarily, but I’ve worked in research labs with access to c1 drugs. And like honestly the protocols were laughable and they were incredibly easy to access, if someone had wanted to. Like it’s serious stuff, especially with DEA licenses on the line and it’s been kind of wild how lackadaisical some people are about it - like tell me why a research associate had to buy her own narcan when she was working with fentanyl because the lab didn’t have any on hand. What?
 
b) would be sustainable when we decide to have children.

I totally get this if the grandparents are not people you want influencing your kid. My grandparents (77 and 83 next month) just lost their Young Bats babysitting day because of not following our rules (way too much screen time). If my aunt was still alive, there's zero chance she would ever be alone with my child. There's cousins my son will never meet. Etc.

Likewise, if you do otherwise have a support system that you do trust, having them babysit/watch children is totally fair game and highly recommend. You need to have firm boundaries though. I was that millennial partially raised by my grandparents because my parents worked retail. In hindsight, my parents should have stepped in for their own boundaries like we have. But overall, not a bad life experience. We may be watching my niece on a regular basis as her mom is starting to realize she likely won't get a remote job after 6 months of looking.

If you feel comfortable, use your village to help with kids.
 
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And there are also not enough free webinars happening that I'm aware of? Am I really gonna chase down every free webinar in the country? Our state vet does 1-hour CE webinars like once every other month or so...still not enough. I've yet to find any free on demand webinars, even for 0.5 or one credit. So if anyone knows of anything, let me know lol
If you want to learn about horses there is a vet led journal club through BI that meets monthly for 1 credit that I can send you a QR code for. The only other semi frequent free CE I get links to is for iPAAGs
 
Ranting because I'm having decision paralysis/future anxieties. I am planning to practice either equine or mixed animal medicine upon graduation. I know that I still have like 2 years until i graduate but I'm starting to stress about where I will be working/what I'll be doing after school. The area where I am from (MD) there are lots of private ambulatory equine vets but not many hospitals and only 2 or 3 mixed animal clinics. I haven't decided on if I want to do an internship for a year in academia just to get the experience and cases under my belt, but it was brought to my attention when i was at a referral center for rotations this summer that they are interested in me for an internship. I have a great relationship with a mixed animal practice in my area, however they are full to the brim on doctors and I don't think that anyone is retiring/leaving anytime soon. Another mixed animal clinic in my area I worked at for a very short time and did not agree with the quality of medicine practiced there. The third mixed animal practice does not have equine clients as far as I am aware.

For some added context which complicates my job choices is that my partner works in law enforcement and cannot transfer without forfeiting his time, so we would essentially be doing long distance for ANOTHER year if I did an internship. It also has a significant impact on the type of job I should accept after graduation because he works midnights on a rotating schedule, therefore a solo ambulatory practitioner role is not something I think a) I would be happy in long term or b) would be sustainable when we decide to have children. I refuse to have children and then their grandparents raise them.

Idk... I know that this is sort of dramatic but needed a place to rant that isn't someone in my close circle. Any input/advice is welcome. Sincerely, a worry-wart of a 3rd year veterinary student.
I think you’ve gotten great advice already, just want to add as someone semi-familiar with the equine vet med vibe for the area, I would not be dissuaded by working for solo practitioners if they can provide solid one on one mentorship for a year. A lot of the solo ambo vets in the area do co-op their on call so there is proper work life balance, but I am also of the (sometimes semi-toxic) belief that you can do anything for one year - I was on call 6 days a week for my equine ambo internship and survived juuuuust fine 🥴! And I'd do that, or set a radius of where you could commute to, and look for smaller practices, you do NOT need academic for a good equine internship. Both the AAEP job board and AAEP internship hub would be good places to check. There's also this thing called equinevetted that lets vet students anonymously review externship/internship locations that I've heard is an excellent resourse! If you'd like any specific recs please feel free to PM me : )
 
On an avian first aid group on Facebook. Person posted a picture of their Indian Ringneck with an obvious eye issue asking for home remedies. I (along with others) said this was an emergency vet situation, not a home remedy one. Comment removed by admins for telling person to go to vet and not giving an at home remedy. 🙄

Thankfully the person did go and the eye is starting to clear up but that annoyed the **** out of me. I hate when people act like they can just make some home made electrolyte water, give it to their bird and call it a day. It’s one thing if you don’t have access to a vet that will see birds (or is fairly knowledgeable about them) but another to just willfully ignore issues because “it’s just a bird”. Electrolytes aren’t going to clear up issues that require antibiotics.
 
Apparently LMU is having a creator competition where they are asking students to essentially become “influencers” talking about the school, and the people who do the best get prizes.

Not sure what LMU campus it is, but that feels weird.
Omg I saw that on a TikTok too and I was like 😵‍💫

I can see people devoting more time to that than they should, and also a free PR campaign for the school instead of paying marketing people or something…definitely thought it was weird