Rant of a single pre-med

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Hello SDN,

I'm a premed in my fourth year of college. The past four years have been brutal in terms of hard work and time commitment to the pursuit of getting into medical school. As a result, I haven't had much time to do much of anything else. However, being a minority in a school where everyone else around me is not of my ethnicity has been exceptionally hard for me, especially when it comes to my dating life. What's more is, I finally ended up liking this one girl in my class (she found excuses to talk to me, kept staring at laughing/smiling at me) and when I talked to her, she told me straight up she had a boyfriend (she's not the same ethnicity as I am) THEN WHY THE F*CK would you give me mixed messages?

Long story short, this lack of female intimacy has really started to take a toll on my self esteem and my growth as an individual. Should I suck it up and just accept that I am doomed to be forever alone? Is the situation more or less the same in medical school? Will I never find someone I can share my life with until I have an MD after my name? I feel so pathetic right now. My motivation to study for the MCAT is dwindling by the second. Anyone else out there suffering from this dilemma? I can't blame people for not being open minded when it comes to dating, as everyone is entitled to their own preferences. But jesus, when you put a single, virile male in a classroom full of beautiful women, no matter what the ethnicity, hormones will compel him to act. And more importantly, in my case at least, regret. I feel so down right now.
 
Are you sure you aren't one of those guys who thinks one second of eye contact means marriage?

Lol you are taking this way to far. Just chill out.... Disregard females acquire MD. What does being shot down have to do with doing well on the MCAT? Just forget about them and focus on your studies.
 
Hello SDN,

I'm a premed in my fourth year of college. The past four years have been brutal in terms of hard work and time commitment to the pursuit of getting into medical school. As a result, I haven't had much time to do much of anything else. However, being a minority in a school where everyone else around me is not of my ethnicity has been exceptionally hard for me, especially when it comes to my dating life. What's more is, I finally ended up liking this one girl in my class (she found excuses to talk to me, kept staring at laughing/smiling at me) and when I talked to her, she told me straight up she had a boyfriend (she's not the same ethnicity as I am) THEN WHY THE F*CK would you give me mixed messages?

Long story short, this lack of female intimacy has really started to take a toll on my self esteem and my growth as an individual. Should I suck it up and just accept that I am doomed to be forever alone? Is the situation more or less the same in medical school? Will I never find someone I can share my life with until I have an MD after my name? I feel so pathetic right now. My motivation to study for the MCAT is dwindling by the second. Anyone else out there suffering from this dilemma? I can't blame people for not being open minded when it comes to dating, as everyone is entitled to their own preferences. But jesus, when you put a single, virile male in a classroom full of beautiful women, no matter what the ethnicity, hormones will compel him to act. And more importantly, in my case at least, regret. I feel so down right now.
Dude you had one rejection. We've all been there. I don't think its related to being premed, its just called lifeeeeee. Buck up
 
Actually, I just thought of something. My wife and I were discussing a related topic last night. We have two friends in their late thirties having marital problems. They are likely headed toward a divorce, which in everyone's opinion is the right decision for them. However, my wife noted that our society will likely treat those two individuals very differently. Both are successful professionals, essentially equal in terms of financial stability and prestige, but the chances of the guy getting remarried is significantly higher than the woman. People, especially professionals start relationships later in life.

I had a lot of classmates that had never dated prior to coming to medical school. Several of them just got married after graduating. Medical school and a medical career limit your free time, but I don't think it inherently hinders your ability to find someone, there are significant advantages as well. Stop trying so hard. You are young and have a lot of time. Focus on things that you can control, like your studies and take it from there.
 
What's more is, I finally ended up liking this one girl in my class (she found excuses to talk to me, kept staring at laughing/smiling at me) and when I talked to her, she told me straight up she had a boyfriend (she's not the same ethnicity as I am) THEN WHY THE F*CK would you give me mixed messages?

Dude. Have you no experience with the opposite sex? This is very normal behavior...

Try dating sites like okcupid and plentyoffish.

Don't give up hope. Try going to medical school in a big city. Don't go to a country bumpkin town, your dating life will suck.
 
You have no one to blame but yourself. Take control of your life.
Steps:
1. Get fit- cut off your fat with some cardio and start lifting 3 days with squats deadlifitng and benching
2. Take better care of yourself- get a good haircut, some nice clothes, whiten your teeth, make sure you don't smell like ****
3. Get some confidence- you obviously don't have this or you would've been laid by now. Start thinking like you are great and start doing things that a great person would do. If you keep doing this and actually accomplishing things, you will eventually be confident
4. Learn to talk to girls- I'm no expert at this by any stretch, but there are a few basic things you need to: be CONFIDENT when you talk, NEVER come off as needy (act like you always have stuff to do), and develop a personality so people will actually want to talk to you (can't help you here, your personality should shine through as you gain more confidence).
5. Start putting yourself out there. GET OUT OF YOUR COMFORT ZONE. You've been in a comfort zone for all of college. Talk to 4 girls a day. That is your goal. Do your best everyday to meet that goal. It will be hard and awkward at first, but you will get better. Don't let rejections get you down.

Honestly, I don't know why I typed this out for you. If I was to bet, I'd say you're just going to ignore all of this and be forever alone until you finally marry some whale. Prove me wrong.
 
There's a huge disconnect between women and men when it comes to flirting. A lot of women are just friendly, but we often perceive it as interest.

About three years ago, I had a girl in my class and all semester she would seek me out to talk to despite having her friends there, she would look at me during class, stand next to me when we'd get up to do something, never mentioned her boyfriend to me.. I always took it as interest. Turns out she just wanted to make new friends 🙄
 
Actually, I just thought of something. My wife and I were discussing a related topic last night. We have two friends in their late thirties having marital problems. They are likely headed toward a divorce, which in everyone's opinion is the right decision for them. However, my wife noted that our society will likely treat those two individuals very differently. Both are successful professionals, essentially equal in terms of financial stability and prestige, but the chances of the guy getting remarried is significantly higher than the woman. People, especially professionals start relationships later in life.

I had a lot of classmates that had never dated prior to coming to medical school. Several of them just got married after graduating. Medical school and a medical career limit your free time, but I don't think it inherently hinders your ability to find someone, there are significant advantages as well. Stop trying so hard. You are young and have a lot of time. Focus on things that you can control, like your studies and take it from there.

I think you generally give good advice, but I disagree with you here. OP has a VERY fixable problem, and ignoring it is just going to drag him down farther.
 
Get over yourself, she probably smiled at you because she's a friendly person. Why do men think they have a god-given right to be with a woman then get all butt-hurt when she says no? It's not like she slept with you, THEN told you she was seeing someone. She freaking SMILED at you.
 
Why don't you just take care of yourself? Fix my hormone spike everytime.
 
I think you generally give good advice, but I disagree with you here. OP has a VERY fixable problem, and ignoring it is just going to drag him down farther.

Not going to pretend to be an expert on this topic. I don't have a ton of experience in this, but I'm not sure how easily fixable it is. Your methodology sounds like a great plan and a solid framework to work on. But it does require someone to not only drastically change their lifestyle, but also central tenants of their personality. Not that easy to accomplish, but I concede, likely very effective if done. However, his immediate concern is studying for the MCAT and getting into medical school. I think the most solid, acute advice is, you have time, take a breath, don't let your studies slip and work on this over time.

I guess I would say, medical school is a chance for you to re-invent yourself. If this is a high priority for you, focus on your studies and make sure this doesn't harm your career prospects. Then on the side, do what sliceofbread recommends, and when you show up in medical school, actively try to improve yourself and be more social. Don't become a party animal or anything, but get out of your comfort zone and get to know some people...
 
Hello SDN,

I'm a premed in my fourth year of college. The past four years have been brutal in terms of hard work and time commitment to the pursuit of getting into medical school. As a result, I haven't had much time to do much of anything else. However, being a minority in a school where everyone else around me is not of my ethnicity has been exceptionally hard for me, especially when it comes to my dating life. What's more is, I finally ended up liking this one girl in my class (she found excuses to talk to me, kept staring at laughing/smiling at me) and when I talked to her, she told me straight up she had a boyfriend (she's not the same ethnicity as I am) THEN WHY THE F*CK would you give me mixed messages?

Long story short, this lack of female intimacy has really started to take a toll on my self esteem and my growth as an individual. Should I suck it up and just accept that I am doomed to be forever alone? Is the situation more or less the same in medical school? Will I never find someone I can share my life with until I have an MD after my name? I feel so pathetic right now. My motivation to study for the MCAT is dwindling by the second. Anyone else out there suffering from this dilemma? I can't blame people for not being open minded when it comes to dating, as everyone is entitled to their own preferences. But jesus, when you put a single, virile male in a classroom full of beautiful women, no matter what the ethnicity, hormones will compel him to act. And more importantly, in my case at least, regret. I feel so down right now.
I'm sure your ethnicity has nothing to do with why women don't approach you, unless you're of another species or something. Something I've noticed since being a pre-med student with no time for "dating" is that the best partners are those with whom you're already close friends. I refused to date my best friend for the longest time because I thought it would ruin our friendship and prevent us from studying together effectively, but about six months ago we went for it. He just got into medical school and I closed the year with a great GPA. Point is, LOOKING for someone to date when you're trying to study might be counterproductive; clearly, you and your friends who understand your time constraints already have something in common, so don't rule them out!
 
Not going to pretend to be an expert on this topic. I don't have a ton of experience in this, but I'm not sure how easily fixable it is. Your methodology sounds like a great plan and a solid framework to work on. But it does require someone to not only drastically change their lifestyle, but also central tenants of their personality. Not that easy to accomplish, but I concede, likely very effective if done. However, his immediate concern is studying for the MCAT and getting into medical school. I think the most solid, acute advice is, you have time, take a breath, don't let your studies slip and work on this over time.

I guess I would say, medical school is a chance for you to re-invent yourself. If this is a high priority for you, focus on your studies and make sure this doesn't harm your career prospects. Then on the side, do what sliceofbread recommends, and when you show up in medical school, actively try to improve yourself and be more social. Don't become a party animal or anything, but get out of your comfort zone and get to know some people...

1st bolded statement: Honestly, when I started putting myself out more it felt like the real me was finally starting to shine through. It had just been hiding under low-self confidence and the fear of stepping out of my comfort zone.

2nd bolded statement: Exactly what I meant.
 
1. get into med school
2. obtain white coat and letters behind name
3. ???
4. women
 
Hello SDN,

I'm a premed in my fourth year of college. The past four years have been brutal in terms of hard work and time commitment to the pursuit of getting into medical school. As a result, I haven't had much time to do much of anything else. However, being a minority in a school where everyone else around me is not of my ethnicity has been exceptionally hard for me, especially when it comes to my dating life. What's more is, I finally ended up liking this one girl in my class (she found excuses to talk to me, kept staring at laughing/smiling at me) and when I talked to her, she told me straight up she had a boyfriend (she's not the same ethnicity as I am) THEN WHY THE F*CK would you give me mixed messages?

Long story short, this lack of female intimacy has really started to take a toll on my self esteem and my growth as an individual. Should I suck it up and just accept that I am doomed to be forever alone? Is the situation more or less the same in medical school? Will I never find someone I can share my life with until I have an MD after my name? I feel so pathetic right now. My motivation to study for the MCAT is dwindling by the second. Anyone else out there suffering from this dilemma? I can't blame people for not being open minded when it comes to dating, as everyone is entitled to their own preferences. But jesus, when you put a single, virile male in a classroom full of beautiful women, no matter what the ethnicity, hormones will compel him to act. And more importantly, in my case at least, regret. I feel so down right now.

This probably depends on the school you go to. But my experience has been, pre-med/pre-req classes are great places to meet girls. First of all, both intro bios, micro, both semesters of anatomy/physiology, and to a lesser extent, organic, were loaded with clueless broads majoring in health, nutrition, physical therapy, kines, etc. I was typically one of less than four guys in the lab for each one of these classes. "Hey wanna be lab partners?" <-- top flight pick up line. In the words of the 5 hour energy commercial, it works for me.

The major exception to this is of course, any and all chemistry courses, which are patently talentless (one of many reasons I hate chemistry). Biochem was mostly pre-meds and grad-school bound kids, so typically nothing to write home about (sorry to any pre-med ladies reading this. Women with fewer obligations are more fun)

In all seriousness, if nothing else, it can't hurt taking the kind of classes where most of the people you'll be studying or working on homework with are female. Don't worry about your ethnicity, just be friendly and outgoing and I'm sure things will fall into place for you.
 
You have no one to blame but yourself. Take control of your life.
Steps:
1. Get fit- cut off your fat with some cardio and start lifting 3 days with squats deadlifitng and benching
2. Take better care of yourself- get a good haircut, some nice clothes, whiten your teeth, make sure you don't smell like ****
3. Get some confidence- you obviously don't have this or you would've been laid by now. Start thinking like you are great and start doing things that a great person would do. If you keep doing this and actually accomplishing things, you will eventually be confident
4. Learn to talk to girls- I'm no expert at this by any stretch, but there are a few basic things you need to: be CONFIDENT when you talk, NEVER come off as needy (act like you always have stuff to do), and develop a personality so people will actually want to talk to you (can't help you here, your personality should shine through as you gain more confidence).
5. Start putting yourself out there. GET OUT OF YOUR COMFORT ZONE. You've been in a comfort zone for all of college. Talk to 4 girls a day. That is your goal. Do your best everyday to meet that goal. It will be hard and awkward at first, but you will get better. Don't let rejections get you down.

Honestly, I don't know why I typed this out for you. If I was to bet, I'd say you're just going to ignore all of this and be forever alone until you finally marry some whale. Prove me wrong.

Solid advice if you want to get laid. If you want a deep meaningful relationship just be yourself and put yourself out there and let things happen. I was single for a while and I understand what it is to be in need of female intimacy, but hey...there is always self-loving 😉
 
Jajaja, that sounds like a sad way of living. Women are great!

I have a theory that men here are so anti-women because they are simply terrified of the hold that women have over them without even trying.
 
Are you sure ethnicity doesn't matter? I always feel in the back of my mind that it does. I mean, I have certain preferences when it comes to dating, and so does everyone. But hopefully, it shouldnt be a huge deterrent. Hopefully.
 
👍

(mas-ter-bey-shuhn - according to dictionary .com)

Self pleasuring is not up my alley. The very thought of it makes me sick, as it is actively acknowledging the fact that I am unable to find someone to have intercourse with. Completely obliterates my ego. I cant do it anymore.
 
I have a theory that men here are so anti-women because they are simply terrified of the hold that women have over them without even trying.

I love women. Especially when they want to have my babies 😎
 
Self pleasuring is not up my alley. The very thought of it makes me sick, as it is actively acknowledging the fact that I am unable to find someone to have intercourse with. Completely obliterates my ego. I cant do it anymore.

This just sounds unhealthy to me. Maybe consider seeing a psychologist (there is no shame in this)
 
haha great thread, people seem to think "I have a boyfriend" means "i'm not interested" or "there's no chance". just cuz there's a goalie don't mean you can't score
 
Self pleasuring is not up my alley. The very thought of it makes me sick, as it is actively acknowledging the fact that I am unable to find someone to have intercourse with. Completely obliterates my ego. I cant do it anymore.


Lol... until you know... 8 hours later.... after a full work day of seeing those gorgeous summer-y dresses, the luscious thighs, and the arousing tans....when you can't take it anymore.

How big of a city do you live in?
 
You have no one to blame but yourself. Take control of your life.
Steps:
1. Get fit- cut off your fat with some cardio and start lifting 3 days with squats deadlifitng and benching
2. Take better care of yourself- get a good haircut, some nice clothes, whiten your teeth, make sure you don't smell like ****
3. Get some confidence- you obviously don't have this or you would've been laid by now. Start thinking like you are great and start doing things that a great person would do. If you keep doing this and actually accomplishing things, you will eventually be confident
4. Learn to talk to girls- I'm no expert at this by any stretch, but there are a few basic things you need to: be CONFIDENT when you talk, NEVER come off as needy (act like you always have stuff to do), and develop a personality so people will actually want to talk to you (can't help you here, your personality should shine through as you gain more confidence).
5. Start putting yourself out there. GET OUT OF YOUR COMFORT ZONE. You've been in a comfort zone for all of college. Talk to 4 girls a day. That is your goal. Do your best everyday to meet that goal. It will be hard and awkward at first, but you will get better. Don't let rejections get you down.

Honestly, I don't know why I typed this out for you. If I was to bet, I'd say you're just going to ignore all of this and be forever alone until you finally marry some whale. Prove me wrong.

Thanks for the advice bro. Some things:

I'm already at 5% Body fat. I am lifting more intensely though. I have a killer haircut, I smell like hugo boss, and my teeth are whiter than white paper. I doubt my looks hold me back. Also, I can talk to most girls just fine, its just that I am intimidated by those I find exceptionally attractive, and even when I talk to them, I am unable to take it to the next level, like actually asking them out on a date (due to ethnicity issues, confidence issues, who knows what issues)
 
Hello SDN,

I'm a premed in my fourth year of college. The past four years have been brutal in terms of hard work and time commitment to the pursuit of getting into medical school. As a result, I haven't had much time to do much of anything else. However, being a minority in a school where everyone else around me is not of my ethnicity has been exceptionally hard for me, especially when it comes to my dating life. What's more is, I finally ended up liking this one girl in my class (she found excuses to talk to me, kept staring at laughing/smiling at me) and when I talked to her, she told me straight up she had a boyfriend (she's not the same ethnicity as I am) THEN WHY THE F*CK would you give me mixed messages?

Long story short, this lack of female intimacy has really started to take a toll on my self esteem and my growth as an individual. Should I suck it up and just accept that I am doomed to be forever alone? Is the situation more or less the same in medical school? Will I never find someone I can share my life with until I have an MD after my name? I feel so pathetic right now. My motivation to study for the MCAT is dwindling by the second. Anyone else out there suffering from this dilemma? I can't blame people for not being open minded when it comes to dating, as everyone is entitled to their own preferences. But jesus, when you put a single, virile male in a classroom full of beautiful women, no matter what the ethnicity, hormones will compel him to act. And more importantly, in my case at least, regret. I feel so down right now.

what ethnicity are you? I feel bad for the asian and indian guys in the dating scene.
 
Lol... until you know... 8 hours later.... after a full work day of seeing those gorgeous summer-y dresses, the luscious thighs, and the arousing tans....when you can't take it anymore.

How big of a city do you live in?

Its a pretty big city, as far as college towns go. I dont think interracial dating is a taboo or anything here, but for some reason, I think its unconsciously frowned upon, otherwise I wouldnt be having such horrible luck. Is there really no shame in self pleasuring? God I feel horrible even asking that question.
 
I'm sure your ethnicity has nothing to do with why women don't approach you, unless you're of another species or something. Something I've noticed since being a pre-med student with no time for "dating" is that the best partners are those with whom you're already close friends. I refused to date my best friend for the longest time because I thought it would ruin our friendship and prevent us from studying together effectively, but about six months ago we went for it. He just got into medical school and I closed the year with a great GPA. Point is, LOOKING for someone to date when you're trying to study might be counterproductive; clearly, you and your friends who understand your time constraints already have something in common, so don't rule them out!

everyone has time for dating. A lot of people just BS excuses of why they aren't currently dating.
 
Its a pretty big city, as far as college towns go. I dont think interracial dating is a taboo or anything here, but for some reason, I think its unconsciously frowned upon, otherwise I wouldnt be having such horrible luck. Is there really no shame in self pleasuring? God I feel horrible even asking that question.


do what you have to do




:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
Thanks for the advice bro. Some things:

I'm already at 5% Body fat. I am lifting more intensely though. I have a killer haircut, I smell like hugo boss, and my teeth are whiter than white paper. I doubt my looks hold me back. Also, I can talk to most girls just fine, its just that I am intimidated by those I find exceptionally attractive, and even when I talk to them, I am unable to take it to the next level, like actually asking them out on a date (due to ethnicity issues, confidence issues, who knows what issues)

Just force yourself out of your comfort zone, and keep doing it. It will go badly at first, but just tell yourself it doesn't matter what other people think, because YOU know that YOU are great. Just keep thinking like that, and keep trying. There is nothing holding you back but you.
 
Here's a problem right here: this will scare off most college-age girls in a heartbeat. :uhno:

Wow and I thought girls liked the idea of commitment and faithfulness. Sluts all around these days. Feminism has poisoned the American female mind.
 
Wow and I thought girls liked the idea of commitment and faithfulness. Sluts all around these days. Feminism has poisoned the American female mind.

Uh, really?

This post is enough to show why you don't have any luck with women. Good luck, fella. :barf:
 
Wow and I thought girls liked the idea of commitment and faithfulness. Sluts all around these days. Feminism has poisoned the American female mind.

Since when do you have to get a girl pregnant to stay faithful to her? I'm confused...
 
I'm Persian. Tan skin, over 6feet, dark features. I'm also pretty f*ckin hairy.

Pretty much a doppelganger of this dude: http://www.wordupiran.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/muslim-dating-sites.jpg

Why don't you try to look more like this guy:

403px-Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_2009.jpg
 
Since when do you have to get a girl pregnant to stay faithful to her? I'm confused...

When I said "babies" I implied an LTR eventually leading to marriage- nothing more. I didnt imply having actual babies. I am not looking for a fling or a friends with benefits situation.
 
Wow and I thought girls liked the idea of commitment and faithfulness. Sluts all around these days. Feminism has poisoned the American female mind.

I am a dude and find this offensive. You seem like a tool. Sorry women can't smile at you without you presuming they want to bang, that your standards are too high, and you think women are "sluts" if they enjoy sex.

Maybe tone down the male chauvinistic rhetoric a bit and you too can score like the rest of us.
 
I would try taking an SSRI. It will help with the intense sexual urges and will make you less angry about all this.
 
Wow and I thought girls liked the idea of commitment and faithfulness. Sluts all around these days. Feminism has poisoned the American female mind.
based on your posts, especially this one, I assume your problem isn't your ethnicity or any fault of women, it's probably your old fashioned perception of women. Honestly, I can't even tell if you're being serious, or if you're just a really successful troll.
 
When I said "babies" I implied an LTR eventually leading to marriage- nothing more. I didnt imply having actual babies. I am not looking for a fling or a friends with benefits situation.



I guarantee 99.99% of college hotties aren't looking for marriage when they start dating someone.

You are completely alienating yourself the second you mention your mother or marriage.
 
Thanks for the advice bro. Some things:

I'm already at 5% Body fat. I am lifting more intensely though. I have a killer haircut, I smell like hugo boss, and my teeth are whiter than white paper. I doubt my looks hold me back. Also, I can talk to most girls just fine, its just that I am intimidated by those I find exceptionally attractive, and even when I talk to them, I am unable to take it to the next level, like actually asking them out on a date (due to ethnicity issues, confidence issues, who knows what issues)

This gave me the lulz. Thank you.
 
based on your posts, especially this one, I assume your problem isn't your ethnicity or any fault of women, it's probably your old fashioned perception of women. Honestly, I can't even tell if you're being serious, or if you're just a really successful troll.

I apologize if I seem like I'm trolling or a chauvinist. I'm neither. I respect women. I just don't get why they send mixed messages to other men despite being in a committed relationship, and then act holier-than-thou when the male acts on said messages.

Its almost as if they are engaging in an ego gratification exercise- seeing how many men they can attract or have hit on them in a given day to feel better about themselves.
 
I apologize if I seem like I'm trolling or a chauvinist. I'm neither. I respect women. I just don't get why they send mixed messages to other men despite being in a committed relationship, and then act holier-than-thou when the male acts on said messages.

Its almost as if they are engaging in an ego gratification exercise- seeing how many men they can attract or have hit on them in a given day to feel better about themselves.


Yeah he does actually have legit points here. A lot of women are bitches, what can you say? Just move on to the next girl.
 
I am a dude and find this offensive. You seem like a tool. Sorry women can't smile at you without you presuming they want to bang, that your standards are too high, and you think women are "sluts" if they enjoy sex.

Maybe tone down the male chauvinistic rhetoric a bit and you too can score like the rest of us.

For the record, she went out of her way to smile, contorting in different gymnast like positions to catch my attention, flipped her red hair around like a peacock, and then continued to stare at me shamelessly while talking about random unimportant things. If this isnt interest, what is?
 
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