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Now that the fall semester is underway, I'm curious about how new med students are adjusting to their new life. How are the studies going? If you moved, how are you adjusting to your new home/surroundings? What's your overall experience been like thus far? And if you don't mind where are you studying at...that way if somebody reads this and is interested in more info. they might be able to have an inside view through your experiences. Thanks for the responses!
 
I'd love to share, but I'm absolutely swamped at the moment. (Perhaps this is telling in and of itself. 😉) Just replying to this thread so that I'll remember to post later today.
 
Now that the fall semester is underway, I'm curious about how new med students are adjusting to their new life. How are the studies going? If you moved, how are you adjusting to your new home/surroundings? What's your overall experience been like thus far? And if you don't mind where are you studying at...that way if somebody reads this and is interested in more info. they might be able to have an inside view through your experiences. Thanks for the responses!
The move has been difficult. The simultaneous separation from my support network and the immersion in med school has been tough. We have our first exam today (which I should be preparing for) so we'll see how well my study methods have been so far. If it doesn't work out and I don't get the grade I want, then I'll have to be flexible and see what methods DO work.
 
I'd love to share, but I'm absolutely swamped at the moment. (Perhaps this is telling in and of itself. 😉) Just replying to this thread so that I'll remember to post later today.
Ditto. I'll write a longer post this weekend. 😛 But the short answer is that things are going well. I am very happy with the school, I've learned my way around and made some new friends, and I'm learning a ton (sometimes to the point where it feels like my brain will explode). 🙂
 
The move was sheer hell. Drove 2500 miles with two cars, two dogs, two kids, no valium, and found out the day before we got where we're going (and the day before we were supposed to move into our new house) that the house deal fell through. Homeless for 2 weeks (and school started 6 days after we arrived), didn't have our stuff, sleeping on couches, it truly sucked.

Seems like FOREVER ago. Had two gross exams since and an embryo exam. Doing pretty ok with a decent cushion in my grades so far (ok, until today's gross exam). The sheer volume is outrageous, but TOTALLY doable - and I have a family at home. (yes, we found a house to buy and finally got our stuff.) Gross is a TON of information. You learn very quickly how to study lots of material and make enough of it stick to do pretty well. The downside is you always feel like you don't know anything. More accurately, like you don't know enough.

Very happy with my school. Very happy with my classmates (for the most part - always a few know-it-all gunners). LOVE LOVE LOVE my professors. Administration has been FABULOUS. Upperclassmen have been fantastic. If you can't tell, I'm very happy I went. 🙂 🙂 🙂

BTW: it's not that i have more time than everyone else - but had embryo exam Friday and gross exam today, so I have a little breathing room today. Just have to read for beginning of TAPP dissection tomorrow. I do have to say that my tablet PC and WiFi Palm have made life MUCH easier. Download powerpoints to the palm, netters flash cards on palm, both make for portable anywhere studying during gross.
 
I've gotta get back to studying, but before I forget:

First of all, I love medical school and I love being a medical student. I'm also very happy with my school, and I've made a few good friends already.

Despite having a reputation for being a mostly younger crowd, I am not the oldest student here. (I might, however, be in the top 10, but I'm not too sure.) Also flying against common knowledge, my class is not full of miserable gunners. We're a good, fun bunch, and I'm proud of being a part of it all.

As far as the work goes....well, everything you've heard about the work is true. Medical school is VERY HARD, but not for the reasons I expected before I started. Thus far, there hasn't been anything really difficult on the syllabus. Embryology, even the esoteric signalling information, is pretty straightforward. Gross anatomy is very straightforward. Neither subject can be compared to something like thermodynamics or theoretical physics. There are no weird formulae, no derivations, no lengthy calculations. It's all straight-up information.

The problem is not in the intricacy of the material but the VOLUME of the material. My goodness, we're literally drinking from fire hoses over here. We started school about four weeks ago; as of today, there are four embryo lectures left, after which we will take our final (and only) exam. Five weeks is not a lot of time to present embryology, especially not with concurrent lectures on the superficial back, thorax, abdomen, and pelvis. There is far too much material from too many "recommended" sources to read it all, and the pace is too quick to fall behind. My study habits are working, but I've had to tweak a few things to make my time more effective; even so, I'm pulling some late nights as a result of being a husband and a father in addition to being a student. The hardest part is making sure I've actually learned the material, as opposed to memorized it. The exams (including Step I) will not reward rote memorization as much as it will reward actual synthesis and application of the material.

I'm also a bit surprised at how much I'm enjoying the non-science portions of the curriculum. The medical interviewing class and healthcare class seemed, at first, to be big temporal black holes in my crowded study schedule. They still take up time I'd rather spend studying, but I've learned a great deal about the humanity of medicine and the importance of being a complete physician. As part of one of those classes, I went to an AA meeting tonight and left profoundly affected by the people I saw and met there. We're adding an ethics class to the schedule tomorrow, which will probably stress me out even further but also give me something worthwhile in return.

I haven't really had time to take a high-level view of everything, but I think someone would truly have to be crazy to take on something like med school without really wanting it. The workload is immense, the stress level is high, and there are just so many other ways to spend one's time. At the same time, I love what I'm doing and I'm so happy to be where I am. I expect there to be plenty of low points -- in fact, I've been there once already -- but I can't imagine living without the highs.

I wish I had the time to really expand on this, but I should stop now. I have a blog entry just dying to be published, but it's nowhere near done because i just haven't had the time for it. For now, I guess I'll have to be satisfied with what I've written. I feel overwhelmed and exhausted just like everyone else, and I think that's part of becoming a physician. I also feel empowered, grateful, and simply awestruck by the journey on which we've embarked.
 
I've gotta get back to studying, but before I forget:

First of all, I love medical school and I love being a medical student. I'm also very happy with my school, and I've made a few good friends already.

As far as the work goes....well, everything you've heard about the work is true. Medical school is VERY HARD, but not for the reasons I expected before I started.

The problem is not in the intricacy of the material but the VOLUME of the material.


I wish I had the time to really expand on this, but I should stop now. I have a blog entry just dying to be published, but it's nowhere near done because i just haven't had the time for it. For now, I guess I'll have to be satisfied with what I've written. I feel overwhelmed and exhausted just like everyone else, and I think that's part of becoming a physician. I also feel empowered, grateful, and simply awestruck by the journey on which we've embarked.


The best part of this experience is that you will become more efficient and less stressed in the next few weeks. By the end of first year, you will look back and wonder how your mastered all of that material. You will then have second year(which builds upon your foundation) and its challenges and thus, more efficency. Glad that you are enjoying yourself!👍
 
Not to hijack your post, Truth_seeker, but I'm curious as to those who have a spouse and/or kids at home, how your families are adjusting as well?

Anybody have any comments on how this has affected your family life?
 
ShyRem - That's great that things are working out so well for you. I was worried about my move, but you guys had a lot more stuff and people to move. It's bad that the house fell through, but it sounds like you've found a place for yourself.

I have to try that Netter's flashcard-to-the-Palm trick. I was also going to get a tablet PC, but here they give you the printed out slides at the beginning of each theme, so there wasn't any point. (Here's some advice: always wait until you get to school before you make big text/tech purchases - you may not need them once you actually start classes!)

Totally agree on the 'difficulty' of the subject matter. We went through enzyme kinetics today. I was excited because we were using MATH and it actually related to my ugrad degree (where we designed chemical reactors). Then the prof said that we probably won't need it much for the boards!

There's so much to do, I can't believe it's been only two weeks since I started.
 
I remember walking out of my first embryo lecture four weeks ago (?!) and wondering how the hell I was going to remember any of it. I reviewed the notes to that lecture over the weekend, and I kind of wondered what the fuss was all about. It's amazing what someone can do in a month with the right motivation.

Not to hijack your post, Truth_seeker, but I'm curious as to those who have a spouse and/or kids at home, how your families are adjusting as well?

Hmm...so far my wife has been really supportive and enthusiastic. I know she's not a fan of the late nights and the time away from home, but she's doing her part right now to make my life as easy as it could be. I don't know how long that will last, and I wouldn't blame her if she stopped being so enthusiastic. I think, as long as I continue to be happy as a student, she will continue to be happy for me.

Being a medical student is hard regardless of family situation, and I'm sure that some of my classmates are dealing with issues that make mine look trivial. Still, there are aspects of being a father/husband student that are not fun. I don't like having to live 20 miles from school because of the rent and real estate prices closer to campus. It's not so great having to get up well before most of my classmates just to get to school on time, which means that I may not see my baby daugter at all in the morning. As exams draw near, I find myself having to stay on campus longer so that I won't lose time by playing with her and reconnecting with my wife when I come home. Once I do come home, I have about an hour to two hours to eat dinner and play before it's her bed time. Finally, around the time most of my class is taking an evening study break, I'm ready to start.

We'll see how my efforts pay off when the first round of exams hit in about a week.
 
Not to hijack your post, Truth_seeker, but I'm curious as to those who have a spouse and/or kids at home, how your families are adjusting as well?

Anybody have any comments on how this has affected your family life?


No kids, but I can speak to the wife/family question:

Classes started about one month ago; my wife and I are still trying to strike the right balance re: "study-time" (me) and "quality time" (us). When we first met she was used to me working killer hours, eg 60-hour weeks. But once I went back to school to do my pre-reqs we got used to me sitting around the house all day long eating cheetos and watching tv. Now that I'm back to the killer hours, it has been a tough adjustment.

We have found a couple small compromises that help, like I try to include her in my studying once or twice/week, either by doing flashcards with her or by explaining to her what I learned that day, where the explanation is itself a kind of study/review. Sometimes she'll do her own thing (like quilting) while I study alone or with classmates. Or, failing that, I try to come home for a couple of hours for dinner together before I head back out to study.

But bottom line is that it sucks. I'm gone most of the day and a big chunk of the weekend. We're still adjusting, so ask again in six months and we'll see how it turns out.

Similarly, I've been AWEFUL about keeping in touch with family and friends who call/write. I'm still trying to figure out how to make time for that kind of contact; I want to stay in touch, it's just a matter of figuring out how to juggle.

As far as "where", I'm at UC Davis.
 
I'm so thankful for all the feedback that each person has offered. Especially the insight on family. I think that has been a huge black hole in my mind. I hear how much hard work and time is necessary but then folks say they manage time for family. So I've been left wondering how in the world is this possible. You guys have really opened my eyes. Jeremy, glad you did inject that piece in here. Again, thanks so much for taking time out your incredibly busy and hectic day to reply. It's much appreciated.
 
Family. I go to school during the day, and usually don't come home until my kids are already home from school. I spend time with family until they go to bed (8 or 8:30). I help make dinner sometimes, othertimes i just spend time with the kids while my fabulous husband makes dinner. We go shopping together during this time, too. I don't study hard until after everyone goes to bed, after 9pm. HOWEVER: I look at my husband and kids and go over in my mind where muscles attach to. I see them move and consider what muscles are working in which way to make the movement. I call family and ask about their surgeries and what issues they had before and after that while they might not think are consequential, they mean a LOT to me now. I watch people walk and dissect somatic issues by looking at how they move. I give my husband a backrub and review muscles. I think about when I was pregnant with my children and what was going on during those stages of development.

In short, I try to relate as much as possible in the back of my brain to my normal life. It seems to help. So far. I also go into lab prepared (usually I read the dissector during lunch time) so I don't waste time. I spend the weekend before my anatomy exams in lab reviewing bodies (about 5 hours each day). I downloaded important stuff to my palm pilot so I can study while my husband drives the family around for shopping. You fit it in here and there. Totally doable so far. We'll see what the future brings, however.

A disclaimer: there are lots of folks in med school that study FAR more than I. It's not quantity, it's QUALITY of study time that matters. Figure out how you learn best early on. It helps. Good luck.
 
Ok, so here's my longer version as promised.

Studies: Best advice I can give you here is to talk to the upperclassmen and ask them for tips. I've gotten some truly golden advice from them that I would never have come up with on my own, like to buy board review books and use them along with my coursework. Every school emphasizes certain things and de-emphasizes others that are still important for boards, so you need to fill in the holes on your own. I agree with what Shy said about figuring out how you learn best and doing that. I'm definitely the kind of person who needs to try to fit things into the conceptual framework in order to really learn them. I'm not such a great memorizer. So a subject like anatomy is pretty challenging for me. Other things like acid-base chemistry are more intuitive for someone like me with a chem background. Spend more time on the subjects that you need more help with. That seems kind of obvious, but I think it's worth saying that you don't need to spend equal amounts of time on every subject because you'll pick some up faster than others. Also, remind yourself often that everyone in your class is struggling to master the massive amounts of material just like you are. Some of your classmates won't want to admit how much they have to work, but FWIW, I have yet to meet the student, trad or non-trad, who thinks that med school is a breeze. 😉

Move: I like it here better than I expected to like it. When I initially visited, I was not very excited about moving here. But the town is a lot prettier than I could appreciate during my initial visit, and I like my apartment and the area where I live. I'm close enough to school to walk, which I think is a very important thing. Other people have mentioned that time is at a premium, and the time you spend in your car is not time you're spending learning anything....unless you are going to do something like make CDs of your lectures to listen to in the car or something. So I recommend trying to minimize the amount of time you spend traveling as much as you can. I also live across the street from a small grocery store. Very convenient. In general, try to make your life as convenient as possible. It's worth paying a little more for rent if it buys you a lot more time to study or sleep.

Overall experience: fantastic. I'm really enjoying medical school more than I thought I would. Not that every minute of every day is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but overall, I am very happy here. It's a lot of work and a lot of studying, but I don't even notice a lot of times because of how interesting almost all of it is. Think about it: you come to med school wanting to learn about the human body, and here you are with your only real job to learn about the human body, all day, every day. I am sure that I speak for all of the nontrad students when I say that I feel extremely fortunate to have this opportunity, particularly at this point in my life.

I'd rather not publically post where I go to school. If anyone has a good reason for wanting to know, PM me and I'll discuss it on a case by case basis. Good luck to everyone who is applying this year. 🙂
 
Hey Q...do you ever go over to .... to study at the library?

There are a few cool places to study around the city (you are in ...., right?)
 
I've gotten some truly golden advice from them that I would never have come up with on my own, like to buy board review books and use them along with my coursework.
My fiance is getting me a set for my birthday (the big 26). I thought that it may be a little premature...but maybe it's a better idea than I thought.
I agree with what Shy said about figuring out how you learn best and doing that. I'm definitely the kind of person who needs to try to fit things into the conceptual framework in order to really learn them. I'm not such a great memorizer...Spend more time on the subjects that you need more help with...but FWIW, I have yet to meet the student, trad or non-trad, who thinks that med school is a breeze. 😉
I'm also a conceptual learner. I need to fit details into an overall framework/idea to push myself through this. That is, I need to know WHY we should care about XYZ pathway and put it into fundamental patterns before I'll fill in the details. The disadvantage to this style is you need something the profs don't have time to give you - theory & patterns. The advantage is that these overall concepts are primarily what the boards (and therefore your school exams) will test.

The way I've gotten around it is to re-read the material several times to get some idea of where things are going. Then I break out my dry-erase board and make concept maps - essentially diagrams of what concepts link to each other. The lecture style makes is easy to break up studying into little peices, but you're really you're going to be tested on a continuum of material. My method has the added advantage of 'bridging' the material between lectures by making these fundamental connections.

The last step is studying in groups, because the material really sinks in when I teach it to others.

This strategy comes from "Success Types For Medical Students," which is available online. Worth checking out.
I'm close enough to school to walk, which I think is a very important thing...So I recommend trying to minimize the amount of time you spend traveling as much as you can...In general, try to make your life as convenient as possible. It's worth paying a little more for rent if it buys you a lot more time to study or sleep.
Exactly. Make commutes, grocery trips, all of that, take as little time and effort as possible. If nothing else, you will have more time in your day for the fun stuff.

About it being hard or not, I'd say that many of the kids in my class have it easy. Right now. My school is based on themes, and our current one is Molecular Cell Biology. That's the only thing we're working on now (I envy those of you who have already met your cadaver), and many of of my classmates they studied this same material earlier this spring. Compared to other schools, I'd say my classmates aren't experiencing a 'representative sample' of the difficulty of med school classes. When they hit the Musculoskeletal and Neuro themes, where they have no such advantage, then we'll see.
 
Is anyone else having trouble adjusting the to social dynamics of medical school? I'm in my 30's, just moved to a new city, where I know no one, and find many of my classmates to be treating me as if I'm invisible. Maybe it's just that many of my classmates see the world very differently than I do.

Learning the material itself seems to be fine, I just need to put time in everyday for a couple of different sessions. I suppose that I can always just focus on my academics, but I still can't help being a little bothered by the weird atmosphere. Has anyone else experienced this?
 
Hi,
Anyone with school-age children planning to go to med school?

I understand that I will have to apply widely too for better chance of admission, but I have three young kids, and try to plan on which region/city/med school to apply to, so my kids can also have a decent schools.

Also, how did you deal with, or planning to deal with selling the house/move/get a place to live/get ready for school, and also get the kids ready for school too? It seems that there is not too much time to do all that.

Thanks
Nuoc Mua
 
It is really not that crucial!!!
But whatever
 
Hi,
Anyone with school-age children planning to go to med school?

I understand that I will have to apply widely too for better chance of admission, but I have three young kids, and try to plan on which region/city/med school to apply to, so my kids can also have a decent schools.

Also, how did you deal with, or planning to deal with selling the house/move/get a place to live/get ready for school, and also get the kids ready for school too? It seems that there is not too much time to do all that.

Thanks
Nuoc Mua
A frequent poster named ShyRem just did exactly what you describe - long move with family in tow. Private message her (click on her name to bring up the option) to get her thoughts.
 
Thanks, I just PM her ... hope will not disrupt her studying time.
NuocMua
 
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