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I am a third time applicant but this year I realized I can apply as an American Indian. My grandmother is on the tribal role and I am currently sending in my paper to get on it as well. Is it strange to change my race to American Indian on this application after applying twice as Caucasian?

Between this application period and the last I have started working in a neurobio lab, started volunteering in a hospital , and started shadowing (hadn't done this before). I have a 3.75 and 34N. I am just waiting for my background check to go through before starting volunteering as an EMT. From my last app I had 2 interviews. I have volunteered a lot non medically and my medical volunteering was just nursing home stuff until now. I had been working in industry and academic labs for the last 3 years and graduated last year.

Do you think I can get in this year??? I applied to what I think will be easier schools. University of Wisconsin, Medical College of Wisconsin (Home state), Michigan State, Ohio State, Minnesota, Indiana, Case Western (a little harder), Rush, Rosalind Franklin.
 
Sure, just say,

'Since last year, I have done much to improve as a medical school applicant, such as volunteering in a hospital, doing research, becoming Native-American.

Seriously, first check to make 100% sure that you can legally claim your native-american heritage, then I would recommend contacting your local medical school admissions office to get their opinion on how to go about it. I might include a quick reference in my PS to explain, or else it would seem odd that you suddenly (and conveniently) became URM.
 
Maybe you can say something about how you "re-discovered" your Native American heritage? This might be especially compelling if you've taken part in a lot Native American cultural activities in the past year.
 
How do you become another race?
I'd really look into all the details before I checked that box.
Not sure how they verify that, but I would think it might set off some red flags if you had a reapplicant with a new race. If it's not on the up and up, I would think schools would be throwing your app in the trash.
 
Just slide the change into your app. Don't need to do anything else and I wouldn't draw attention to it yourself.

Make sure you have a status card, remember what tribe you're in and mention your grandmother's name if your interviewer is native american as well.

I see no reason why you can't get in as a URM at those schools. With your scores, apply to a couple top schools as well and remember to apply for scholarships for Native Americans after you get in.
 
I agree that some hardcore research and soul-searching is needed before you say that you're Native American. Although you can apparently technically qualify, I would be worried that if they do notice, they'll ask you how much influence the culture has had on your life if you only "realized" you're Native American recently.
 
Yeah so I always knew I was native american, i just never really thought about it because it really has had no effect on my life except for the fact that I don't sunburn, just get really tan. I didn't want to have to pull out this card, or the fact that I was born to a single 17 year old mother, or the sob story about why I want to be a doctor. I wanted to get in because of my grades and ECs and MCAT, but I have learned (19 rejections) that this will not happen for me, so now I am pulling out all of the stops, I am getting in this year. But no my heritage has had no impact on my life, so do you think I should put it? I am applying to legally get my card right now, but I have my grandmother's card and birth certificates of my mother and myself (all of the processing materials). As a cherokee so long as you can prove the ancestry you are good, it doesn't matter what precent you are. So I don't have the card in my hand, but I would by the time school started, and I have proof. So yeah I don't know if I should use this or not...
 
Yeah so I always knew I was native american, i just never really thought about it because it really has had no effect on my life except for the fact that I don't sunburn, just get really tan. I didn't want to have to pull out this card, or the fact that I was born to a single 17 year old mother, or the sob story about why I want to be a doctor. I wanted to get in because of my grades and ECs and MCAT, but I have learned (19 rejections) that this will not happen for me, so now I am pulling out all of the stops, I am getting in this year. But no my heritage has had no impact on my life, so do you think I should put it? I am applying to legally get my card right now, but I have my grandmother's card and birth certificates of my mother and myself (all of the processing materials). As a cherokee so long as you can prove the ancestry you are good, it doesn't matter what precent you are. So I don't have the card in my hand, but I would by the time school started, and I have proof. So yeah I don't know if I should use this or not...

what a d-bag. 19 rejections? The world needs ditch diggers too you know.
 
what a d-bag. 19 rejections? The world needs ditch diggers too you know.

Did you just call me a d-bag because I got rejected 19 times? And then tell me that I should dig ditches as a career. Whoa. I am soooo reporting you. I am so surprised you have made it 7 years on SDN... 😡
 
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With a 34 mcat and 3.75 gpa I be willing to bet that you get accepted somewhere, apply boardly. The adcom might wonder why your now mentioning your a native american. But with your stats they may not even notice.
 
I have heard that if you don't look like the race that you claim to be, then it could backfire against you. I mean, if you claim to be an African American or Native American but look white, aren't the admissions people going to think that you're being dishonest (a red flag in medicine). If you were "white" in your previous 2 application rounds, isn't it going to raise a lot of eyebrows if they compared your application from your previous year and say that you changed your ethnicity.
 
Did you just call me a d-bag because I got rejected 19 times? And then tell me that I should dig ditches as a career. Whoa. I am soooo reporting you. I am so surprised you have made it 7 years on SDN... 😡

I am calling you a d-bag because you are considering "switching races" to get into medical school. If you can't get in based on merit, too bad. Plus, a 34 MCAT and that many rejections means you must come across as undesirable in an interview or something, which is unsurprising considering the content of this thread.

Hopefully you have more sway with the SDN moderators while reporting me than you've had with the 2 dozen or so admissions directors that have seen fit to toss your application in the garbage, Tonto.
 
Sorry...I never post here but I saw the thread title and couldn't help but reading it. "Reapplying with a new race..." lol
 
I am calling you a d-bag because you are considering "switching races" to get into medical school. If you can't get in based on merit, too bad. Plus, a 34 MCAT and that many rejections means you must come across as undesirable in an interview or something, which is unsurprising considering the content of this thread.

Hopefully you have more sway with the SDN moderators while reporting me than you've had with the 2 dozen or so admissions directors that have seen fit to toss your application in the garbage, Tonto.

First off, I am not switching races, I have every right to apply as a Native American because I AM Native American. I am getting my CDIB and everything. I am actually not going to do this because I think I can get in on my own accord this year. Everyone I have talked to recently has mentioned "using your connections" and "taking advantage of what you were given". I know a lot of people who are premeds have parents who are doctors or know people who are doctors so they use those connections to shadow and stuff. If you don't use what you have you are basically being stupid. So yes in the past I was being stupid by not claiming to be Native American, and I probably still am being stupid by not claiming it now, but I think it will be strange to change.

I have nothing against you, but you should try to be nice to people on SDN, especially reapplicants since they are having a hard enough time without people going out of their ways to be mean. Your comment was not constructive, and that is why I took offense. There is no reason for that, I have never done anything to you, I just asked for advice.
 
Part of me says “go ahead and change to an URM, you might luck-out”…that is until AdComs start asking more in-depth questions about your URM status. I mean, you just realized your grandma plays an active role in that community. I do not know the specifics or your situation or what you have personally experienced being part Native American (although you admit it doesn’t affect you at all…), but, How involved are you in that community? Are you aware of the issues facing these people? I agree that if you don’t look noticeably part Native American, it probably won’t help…and may even hurt. Part of the reason for that URM status is so that med schools can be sure that a fraction of the physicians they’re producing don’t look like the majority population, so that these physicians can better relate to the minority populations in the country and attend to issues specifically facing these people. If you don’t look the part at all or are not trying to help the causes of URM populations, you might be doing yourself a disservice by checking that box. Also, some schools compare reapplicants' previous apps side-by-side - what happens then?

Another part of me (the URM part) is highly offended by this! The reason being considered an URM is an option is not so that certain people can get in easier, as you are insinuating by this contemplation. It is because URMs tend to have more challenges to face and obstacles to overcome (often times without any role models or mentors in the field) that, as a whole, have them on unequal footing with non-URMs…not to say that you haven’t had your own challenges. I understand the stress of this process and the itching to do everything possible to get yourself in, but as an obvious URM - my race affects my daily interactions with people – this is insulting.

You claimed you didn’t want to pull this card, so don’t. Go with your gut. If anything, I’d talk about the other challenges you faced in life and how you overcame them and how they have made you a better person. Whether you do that on your PS or in secondaries, is up to you.

Quiet honestly, I think between your stats and the activities you've added to your app since last cycle, you should be good this time around.

Hope this didn't come off too harsh; it's just my honest opinion. Best wishes this cycle!

p.s. – as someone who has three different bloodlines of Native Americans running through my veins (not only do i tan easily, but my brown skin even turns “red” in the summer), I have never thought of checking a Native American box on any form because I am not at all involved in that community.
 
materials). As a cherokee so long as you can prove the ancestry you are good, it doesn't matter what precent you are. So I don't have the card in my hand, but I would by the time school started, and I have proof.

First I want to say that I am not accusing you of anything. However, if you are very clearly stretching for URM status (say hypothetically 1% native american coupled with a lack of involvment in the native american community)you could get the opposite effect that you are looking for.

That said your numbers and ECs are good, apply broadly and you should do fine regardless of what ethnicity you choose to put down. If you want some help with school selection ect, I recommend starting a thread in the "what are my chances" subforum of pre-allo, there is some very good advice handed out there.

Best of luck.
-Yoda
 
Yeah so I always knew I was native american, i just never really thought about it because it really has had no effect on my life except for the fact that I don't sunburn, just get really tan.

Check the URM box and start with a fresh PS using this line as an opener. The disconnect should be obvious.
 
First off, I am not switching races, I have every right to apply as a Native American because I AM Native American. .

Whatever...

I'm not sure what's more egregious...you promoting yourself as underrepresented, or the fact you might get accepted based on your checking of a box.
 
Just so there is clarity since people still think I am considering this. I did not check the box. I am already verified and everything.
 
I applied as hispanic. I pretty much look white. I do have brown hair and brown eyes, but pretty fair skin. I was told that my grandmother was from Mexico originally. I never met her, can't speak a lick of spanish (or any foreign language for that matter) and throughout my entire life just checked the "white" box when it was there. The first time I ever applied as anything other than white was to medical school, I was never questioned about it once.

And no, I don't feel a bit bad that I did this. I'm pretty sure my grandmother was from Mexico, my mother would have no reason to lie to me about that.
 
Don't get me wrong here...

I have a 34 MCAT.
I have a 3.6 GPA.
I applied to 40 medical schools.
I have been rejected by everyone.
I cannot admit to myself or others how this is possible.

Now I figured out I am a native american.

Well NOW I will get in.

Try something else. Please.
 
Just out of curiosity, I tried to find some legal definitions of race.
None of the definitions included any "percent" of ethnicity needed to qualify. They all said ANY part of that racial background was good enough.

Anyone have any more specific info on this topic?
 
What is your racial/ethnic identity? How have you lived your life? Do you have affiliations, formal and informal, that support the claim?

Merely checking off the URM box on an ancestral technicality is a shaky tactic. Be prepared to be asked about why nothing in your file indicates you have ever affilliated with or lifted a finger for "your people." This would be demonstrated through ECs, volunteer activities, etc.
 
I think people have been a bit harsh on this thread.
First of all, I think if you are a reapplicant, then you should apply to WAY more schools (I would do 20 or 30, personally). I hope you asked the schools that rejected you, and the ones where you previously interviewed, what it is about your application that you could improve. With your grades and MCAT score, you should at least be getting multiple interviews (like more than 2). If not, I would worry that your recommendation letters or your paper application (personal statement and the way you described your extracurriculars) was not strong. If you didn't have a lot of obvious clinical volunteer hours on your paper application, that could definitely sink your application at a lot of schools, particularly if you work in a research lab. Lab workers tend to get stereotyped as science nerds who don't understand people. If you did get more interviews than 3 or 4 and still no acceptance or wait lists, I would worry that your interview skills are an issue,but it sounds like you aren't really making it into the interview pile, and you need to find out why. the 3.75 GPA might not hold up as well if it's from a school that is known to grade high, or is less well known, but still you should be getting interviews with that GPA and MCAT score.

I don't personally have a problem with you checking the Native American box, if your grandmother is a Native American. There are a lot of people who are tribal members who don't "look" Native American. However, I think if you do check the box you should be ready to get asked about it, and don't try to sell yourself as being super involved in the Native American community if you are not. You should try and learn about your tribe, though, if you check the box. If I were doing the interviews, I would be curious about it and probably would ask questions to applicants who checked the box, just to try and learn more about them, etc.
 
I thought they left reserved spots for Native Americans so those students could work in the reserves. Correct me if I am wrong.

But if am I right, are you SURE you want to apply as a NA?
 
This is a markedly odd thing to read. First, I hope it works out, but I don't think that changing the race is going to make you that much better of a candidate to any admission's committee. I have a feeling they may feel this as very awkward and probably an vain attempt to get admission. I do admit that most med schools must meet a "quota" of under-represented minorities (though they will all deny it), but what if you changed your race to Asian or Indian, actual minorities that are OVER-represented in medicine? I knew a guy in medical school who was born in Africa (he was from Morocco) and "technically" he could have applied as an African American, but he thought this was absurd and just put Caucasian. In all honesty, the only time I've heard anyone ever looking up tribal rolls was to see if they can get a cut of the local Reservation Casino profits, maybe I'm just kept in a dungeon though. I would be interested to see what the admissions committee says about this. :luck:
 
Just out of curiosity, I tried to find some legal definitions of race.
None of the definitions included any "percent" of ethnicity needed to qualify. They all said ANY part of that racial background was good enough.

Anyone have any more specific info on this topic?

This has come up in the past when I was in med school. The odd thing is that each State often has a definition of race in their laws. I recall the in Alabama you could be considered African American if you had 1/4 (one grandparent) who was African American and in Louisiana if you could prove 1/32 then you were considered African American. Its odd and from what I've seen its not really consistent. Don't know if this helps. :luck:
 
Hell yes it's strange. It may also work. I knew a kid in high school who looked completely Irish but was 1/32 Cherokee. He applied to Harvard as NA and got in...

For the sake of honesty you should at least look into your heritage, learn some of the language, customs, and/or history. If you don't you might also look like a complete d-bag in interviews if they ask you about your ancestry and appear clueless. If you are going to check that box you better do something to deserve it.

How are you not getting in with 3.75 and 34? There must be something else you can work on
 
First off, I am not switching races, I have every right to apply as a Native American because I AM Native American. I am getting my CDIB and everything. I am actually not going to do this because I think I can get in on my own accord this year. Everyone I have talked to recently has mentioned "using your connections" and "taking advantage of what you were given". I know a lot of people who are premeds have parents who are doctors or know people who are doctors so they use those connections to shadow and stuff. If you don't use what you have you are basically being stupid. So yes in the past I was being stupid by not claiming to be Native American, and I probably still am being stupid by not claiming it now, but I think it will be strange to change.

I have nothing against you, but you should try to be nice to people on SDN, especially reapplicants since they are having a hard enough time without people going out of their ways to be mean. Your comment was not constructive, and that is why I took offense. There is no reason for that, I have never done anything to you, I just asked for advice.

well the fact you claim to have a 3.75 and a 34 mcat suggests there are other issues with your application you have either yet to address or have refused to mention.

Besides now simply trying to acknowledge a supposed part of your heritage just to gain admissions to medical school you might want to also consider why you have had such difficulty applying. Is it possible your current actions are a reflection of your true integrity and your letter writers happened to mention that in your LOR's (as a consequence)?

just curious

I guess I should ask you now to what tribe does your grandmother belong? I figure I should ask now b/c once you get accepted to medical school this will probably be of no importance to you anymore. I mean, it is what it is, right?

I mean, adcoms just forced you to pull out the American Indian Card...well...at least temporary card (b/c you will probably burn it soon enough).
 
I applied as hispanic. I pretty much look white. I do have brown hair and brown eyes, but pretty fair skin. I was told that my grandmother was from Mexico originally. I never met her, can't speak a lick of spanish (or any foreign language for that matter) and throughout my entire life just checked the "white" box when it was there. The first time I ever applied as anything other than white was to medical school, I was never questioned about it once.

And no, I don't feel a bit bad that I did this. I'm pretty sure my grandmother was from Mexico, my mother would have no reason to lie to me about that.

I love it!

hahahahahahahahahahahaha hilariously absurd...but I am not surprised for some reason

hast luego...ohhhhhhhhhhhhh whoops...I forgot you said you do not speak a lick of Spanish
 
Buffywannabe, first of all you should take Minnesota off the "low schools" list when you think of applying as such. Last year's MCAT averages were 34, GPA rained in at 3.5 for sciences and we pay (or they pay) huge attention to medically-related work/volunteer experience (which you don't have).

To answer your question about changing your race, you indicated that this will be your third time applying. Most schools will of course either get an AMCAS notification or will ask you whether you've applied before. They will thus be able to see your "race change". This is not necessarily a bad thing, but be ready to clearly and concisely explain why you are changing your race. How you pull that off will ultimately determine whether changing it was a good or bad idea.

Good luck.
 
Definitely didn't mean to insult any of the schools that I picked. I would LOVE to go to any of them! I picked them primarily because they are driving distance from my home. My comment was more along the lines of "I am being realistic and not applying to schools that I have no chance of getting into..." basically no reaches.
 
Just out of curiosity, I tried to find some legal definitions of race.
None of the definitions included any "percent" of ethnicity needed to qualify. They all said ANY part of that racial background was good enough.

Anyone have any more specific info on this topic?


I thought human ancestors all migrated out of Africa? Shouldn't we all qualify as URM?

dang it, i knew i shoulda applied as African American...
 
I am a third time applicant but this year I realized I can apply as an American Indian. My grandmother is on the tribal role and I am currently sending in my paper to get on it as well. Is it strange to change my race to American Indian on this application after applying twice as Caucasian?

Between this application period and the last I have started working in a neurobio lab, started volunteering in a hospital , and started shadowing (hadn't done this before). I have a 3.75 and 34N. I am just waiting for my background check to go through before starting volunteering as an EMT. From my last app I had 2 interviews. I have volunteered a lot non medically and my medical volunteering was just nursing home stuff until now. I had been working in industry and academic labs for the last 3 years and graduated last year.

Do you think I can get in this year??? I applied to what I think will be easier schools. University of Wisconsin, Medical College of Wisconsin (Home state), Michigan State, Ohio State, Minnesota, Indiana, Case Western (a little harder), Rush, Rosalind Franklin.

Dude, reapply as Black. You'll improve your odds.
 
I thought human ancestors all migrated out of Africa? Shouldn't we all qualify as URM?

dang it, i knew i shoulda applied as African American...

Just say you are black, Ali G does it. No one will call you on it. Just listen to some rap and drop a few cool lines.
 
i doubt the schools will care at all. they just want to up their numbers. they probably wouldn't even ask because they wouldn't want an excuse to exclude such a gem.

when i was in high school the first time i took at ACT i said i was black and i spelled my name real goofy. the 2nd time i spelled my name correctly and got 5 points higher. needless to say, the black person got TWO paper grocery bags full of recruiting material. the white person got about 5 packets from some small, private local colleges.

i used my SSN on both those tests. so it wouldn't have been TOO hard for the schools to see something odd - but all they really cared about was the race thing.

i'd say to anyone that can, good luck milking the reverse discrimination thing as much as you can. i would if i could. until reverse discrimination is considered as illegal as "regular" discrimination everyone that can should partake in the scam.
 
i doubt the schools will care at all. they just want to up their numbers. they probably wouldn't even ask because they wouldn't want an excuse to exclude such a gem.

when i was in high school the first time i took at ACT i said i was black and i spelled my name real goofy. the 2nd time i spelled my name correctly and got 5 points higher. needless to say, the black person got TWO paper grocery bags full of recruiting material. the white person got about 5 packets from some small, private local colleges.

i used my SSN on both those tests. so it wouldn't have been TOO hard for the schools to see something odd - but all they really cared about was the race thing.

i'd say to anyone that can, good luck milking the reverse discrimination thing as much as you can. i would if i could. until reverse discrimination is considered as illegal as "regular" discrimination everyone that can should partake in the scam.


Because all black people spell their names goofy 🙄

You're a complete waste of time and space...if schools only cared about race don't you think there would be way more blacks and hispanics at ivy leagues rather than community college? SMH
 
Because all black people spell their names goofy 🙄

You're a complete waste of time and space...if schools only cared about race don't you think there would be way more blacks and hispanics at ivy leagues rather than community college? SMH

"goofy" as in it wasn't my original spelling. my name can be spelled multiple ways - i put a different one than the real one.

i never said schools only cared about race - sorry you got that impression. i said in the case of sending me recruiting material race appeared to be all they cared about. after rereading my post i can see how one might come to another conclusion. i was just relating something that happened - you can draw you own conclusions - sorry.

calm down - and try to not shoot the messenger.
 
first check to make 100% sure that you can legally claim your native-american heritage, then I would recommend contacting your local medical school admissions office to get their opinion on how to go about it. I might include a quick reference in my PS to explain, or else it would seem odd that you suddenly became URM.
 
I'm sorry, but if you don't look like the "race" you claim you are, and have no real connections to the culture of that race and have never faced discrimination because of your race, you should NOT be able to claim underrepresented status to help your application.
 
I'm sorry, but if you don't look like the "race" you claim you are, and have no real connections to the culture of that race and have never faced discrimination because of your race, you should NOT be able to claim underrepresented status to help your application.

For the first part...of what you wrote:...

what if someone is a mix (mulatto lets say) and mark down as African American...when there skin color is more white...how can they just base it
as you don't look "A.A" therefore your being dishonest?

By the way...as far as the word "ethnicity" goes....isnt that just whatever you want it to be? or something similar to that?
 
For the first part...of what you wrote:...

what if someone is a mix (mulatto lets say) and mark down as African American...when there skin color is more white...how can they just base it
as you don't look "A.A" therefore your being dishonest?

By the way...as far as the word "ethnicity" goes....isnt that just whatever you want it to be? or something similar to that?

Please rephrase this in eligible English and maybe I can understand what you are asking.

My point is that if you're 1/16 American Indian, never knew it, never were discriminated against, and never had any connection to the Indian community, how can you claim you are underrepresented and deserve special consideration?
 
Dont listen to them there is nothing wrong with it.....Both Grandmothers on both sides belong to the tribe.....Both of my grandmothers happened to marry people with blonde hair. My dad has brown hair and my mom has blonde....I end up with blonde hair and blue eyes.....So, I am not allowed to claim Native American ancestory??? Thats bull......

Do what YOU think is right...
 
nice. i'm sure all of your native american ancestors will appreciate the fact that you only became one of them (on paper at least) because you think it'll give you a better shot at getting into med school. be sure to wear your moccasins at your interviews to give it that extra authenticity.
 
Everyone seems so harsh on this thread.

gstrub: So you have to "look" like a certain race to be worthy of labeling yourself as it? If Buffy's grandmother is native american then she's native american, you're opinion of whether Buffy should be able to call herself NA doesn't change the fact that he/she is.

Samus Aran: Can't even comment on your first post.


Buffy I would suggest applying as broadly as you can, your GPA is good and especially your MCAT, it's definately above average, you can def. get in somewhere! Sorry everyone else is being a jerk for no reason, you are what you are, and you don't have to prove it to anyone on this site, which by the way, is supposed support and help people.
 
Sorry everyone else is being a jerk for no reason, you are what you are, and you don't have to prove it to anyone on this site, which by the way, is supposed support and help people.
right, she is who she is: a pre-med with good numbers who hasn't been successful with her applications and has therefore assumed the only thing holding her back must be her race. with those numbers, i have to assume that her failure at getting accepted is due to applying only to places like harvard and ucsf, being terrible at interviews, applying too late in the cycle or she has poor letters of recommendation. something is missing in the equation and i guarantee it's not the lack of the urm status.
 
I may be going against the tide here, but as long as he's not falsely representing himself and making it clear he's only 1/4 native american, how is this wrong?

I knew a (white) kid who was extremely active in ethnic organizations because they interested him, can he claim that he is that ethnicity just because he was involved? On the same hand, does your race change because you aren't involved with ethnic groups? Obviously No to both, so why cant he say he found out he's 1/4th native american? If you have your tribal affiliation card, why not apply as a Native american?
 
Don't get me wrong here...

I have a 34 MCAT.
I have a 3.6 GPA.
I applied to 40 medical schools.
I have been rejected by everyone.
I cannot admit to myself or others how this is possible.

Now I figured out I am a native american.

Well NOW I will get in.

Try something else. Please.

Please. You're an idiot. Don't jump all over her for doing something that most people do. At least she's actually Native American. What about the thousands of applicants who put ECs on their apps that they never did?
 
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