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1) Was the charge dismissed or were you convicted (and then had THAT expunged)?1) More than 5 years ago, I was arrested for a DWI (even though I did not blow and passed the field sobriety test). The charge was soon dismissed. I had the charge expunged, but understand that means little in medicine, and I will still report it on my ERAS.
2) I took an LOA in the middle of my second semester of M1 to do some research, came back and have done well since then.
The rest of my stats (boards, clerkships, research) are all very competitive for any anesthesia residency, probably above average for even the best programs.
My question is how much these two factors will limit me in my endeavors? I am trying to plan aways at places I want to go (B&W, Stanford), but am not going to waste my time there if odds are these red (maybe yellow?) flags are probably going to prevent me from getting an interview. I would rather spend my time doing aways at mid-tier programs in that case. I guess I am just concerned that a police ****-up is going to affect me, and then an LOA makes it seem like a trend or something. And I would rather not waste time at an elite program if odds are they are going to throw away my app anyways. Thanks in advance.
... People take LOAs all the time for research, and it won't be a big deal.
If I were you I would talk to a lawyer about it. If you weren't convicted I don't see why it needs to be reported.You can get the arrest itself expunged, so even "Dismissal" won't show up.
I figured I would have to report it since--if you look at the current "Ask a PD" thready, several PD's commented that you should just disclose to be safe. If they want to chime in, that would be great. The guy who asked a question there had a conviction>>expunged. I have a dismissal>>expunged.
Then again, I don't see why I would have to disclose a dismissal since it basically means (in the eyes of the law), I didn't do anything wrong.
A conviction is very different from a dismissal. Legally, you have done nothing. Anyone can be arrested for anything, but if it doesn't hold up it doesn't hold up.You can get the arrest itself expunged, so even "Dismissal" won't show up.
I figured I would have to report it since--if you look at the current "Ask a PD" thready, several PD's commented that you should just disclose to be safe. If they want to chime in, that would be great. The guy who asked a question there had a conviction>>expunged. I have a dismissal>>expunged.
Then again, I don't see why I would have to disclose a dismissal since it basically means (in the eyes of the law), I didn't do anything wrong.
Sorry to necro this post, but now that I have consulted with a lawyer and confirmed that my DWI dismissal should not be put on my ERAS, can anyone actually answer the question I posed?
Does an LOA that turned into several poster pubs at national conferences and a pub, along with a clinical elective rotation with that PI, limit my chances of getting interviews for anesthesia at MGH/BW/BID/Stanford/UWashington/Columbia/etc? I need to start figuring out away rotations, and won't waste my time at these places if odds are I will get filtered out based on gaps in education. Step 1 was low 240's, decent amount of research, good LOR's, top 20 med school, probably around 50%ile of my class. Thank you in advance!
Unscheduled breaks in training (for "research") are presumed to be the result of one (or more) of a number of common problems:There are no failures on my record before or after the LOA. It was iffy whether or not I would pass my first semester, but I am not sure that qualifies as "imminent", or if PD's would even know, since there is nothing on my record. Mental reasons definitely factored into my mediocrity, but nothing psychiatric/emotional/treatable other than a breath of fresh air and a kick in the ass.
Thanks for the responses!
It's unlikely you will ever be asked "have you ever been arrested?". But, if asked, then answer yes. ERAS doesn't ask about arrests. This really is not going to be an issue. The issue is when you have a conviction that is "expunged". You must report these.
It's unlikely you will ever be asked "have you ever been arrested?". But, if asked, then answer yes. ERAS doesn't ask about arrests. This really is not going to be an issue. The issue is when you have a conviction that is "expunged". You must report these.
A reputable lawyer in my area shared that an expunged arrest record does not need to be answered "yes" to--and that a "no" is fine if all the legal protocols were followed for expunging the record. He did say that the process can take a fair amount of time. Also, this may vary depending upon the state, I think. I am not a lawyer. It was interesting to hear him talk about it though. People can get arrested for all kinds of things and this can lead to misunderstandings and prejudicial thinking. No, a person shouldn't have to account "yes" for an expunged arrest that was dropped, which started, for example, with a jealous and angry GF trying to get back at her BF. Yea. This stuff happens. Drama that shouldn't have to be included in the person's record b/c it's BS. But the person has to get a lawyer that knows what she/he is doing and jump through all the hoops.
You are welcome to follow this advice if you want. If your arrest shows up on a background check (and let's not forget that the VA uses the FBI for their background checks) and it doesn't match your application, you will be required to go to the board to explain the discrepancy. And this will create a 2-3 month delay in your licensing. And if the board feels that your omission was significant, they may decline to give you a license. And when you tell them that a lawyer told you this was OK, they will tell you that they don't care.
Personally, I think it is ridiculous that a BoM can ask you about arrests. But, if they have that right, there isn't much to do.
Yup, I will definitely answer yes to the licensing. The lawyer I consulted (specialized in medical licensing) confirmed this, and also told me I can definitely answer no on the ERAS. His reasoning was that I can answer 'no' to the 'have you ever been convicted' question for obvious reasons, and I can answer 'no' to the 'anything in your past that can limit licensing' because I only have a dismissal and that should not delay licensing at all, since in the eyes of the law I did nothing wrong.
Did you seek out having the arrest expunged by a lawyer than knows and can show you what he is talking about? Again, it does take a long time, and if I remember correctly, it can be around a year or so to have the whole thing put in order--the whole process. If you haven't done this, then you answer "yes." If you have done this and it was done correctly--and again you have to talk to a lawyer in the state the arrest occurred--you have a legal right to answer "no" to the arrest record. If somehow it does come up, which if done right, it shouldn't, you still have the legal right to say "no," and no one can fault you for this, b/c this is what the process stipulates.
You have to have a highly experienced and reputable lawyer than really knows the law in the state and what he/she is talking about. You would be surprised how many lawyers are ignorant of certain things. Mostly, in my view, that is b/c of a lawyers newness (lack of experience) or limitations based on specialization or chosen focus. This lawyer talked about law students than said expungement is BS, and of course he said they should shut up b/c they don't know what they are talking about--and then those students didn't pass their bar. He stated that there is a reason why the law allows for this process, and the best I can remember about it is that it's similar to what I stated in previous response, about unfair, prejudicial influences.
It seems to me that getting the right lawyer is much like getting the right physician. I mean you have to trust this person with important things affecting your life. Best to do a lot research and such on the lawyer, and sometimes, yea. It costs money, but you have to shop around. Many people don't do this, and then they get what they get.
Good luck.
Expulsion means absolutely nothing in professional licensing. You will have to answer 'yes' to any question on licensing that asks about arrests or charges. On ERAS, you can answer 'no' since a dismissed charge shouldn't affect licensing.
Wording is a pain sometimes. My state app asked if "you have ever been found guilty of felony, misdemeanor, or other legal matter (or something like that)." Heck, afaik, signing a speeding ticket is an admission of guilt.
I had something from when I was 17. I could not dig up records anywhere. I really tried hard. Anyway, I disclosed it and had my license about a month later. Legal counsel told me a minor thing many years ago is way better than being found guilty of being dishonest in 2015.
Take that for what it's worth.
As I stated, I did speak with a lawyer. He is the #1 medical licensing lawyer on the East Coast. And you are incorrect on basically all points. An expulsion=expungement. And an expulsion/expungement will not hold up in licensing. Most states ask about ANY arrests even expunged ones, which I will have to answer "yes" to. Some states don't ask about arrests, and I won't have to answer "yes". Maybe your friend was in one of those places. But the expulsion had nothing to do with why he could omit it.