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So a thread was locked due to redpill attitudes as it was against TOS. I wonder, how can we identity redpill attitudes and statements ? I googled the term redpill and the first result came up to be "Knowledge, freedom and the (sometimes painful) truth of reality (red pill)".
I am confused.
 
Prince090 said:
So a thread was locked due to redpill attitudes as it was against TOS. I wonder, how can we identity redpill attitudes and statements ? I googled the term redpill and the first result came up to be "Knowledge, freedom and the (sometimes painful) truth of reality (red pill)".
I am confused.
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Prince090 said:
So a thread was locked due to redpill attitudes as it was against TOS. I wonder, how can we identity redpill attitudes and statements ? I googled the term redpill and the first result came up to be "Knowledge, freedom and the (sometimes painful) truth of reality (red pill)".
I am confused.
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What thread was it? How are "red pill attitudes" whatever they might be, against the TOS? I'm much confused now too
 
Osteoth said:
What thread was it? How are "red pill attitudes" whatever they might be, against the TOS? I'm much confused now too
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Go to the Reddit page and look at what the top post is today.
 
That was an interesting rabbit hole. My favorite post was somebody referring to himself as "Alpha" despite not being able to date any women (because of various claims that if retyped are definitely against TOS) and then posting about it on an anonymous internet forum of people who will only agree with him b/c Alpha. What a strange, strange place.

Also some relevance to this forum someone said "Women will never have the work ethic of a man, why do you think essentially all doctors are men?" despite most med schools having ~1/2 women.
 
Pompacil said:
I don't know if it's accurate or not but I associate "red pill" with guys who are unsuccessful with women and blame everything but themselves (but mostly they blame women).
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How did reddit somehow morph the matrix reference into a war of the sexes? Unless I'm mistaken it originally refers to becoming aware of reality
 
Gilakend said:
That was an interesting rabbit hole. My favorite post was somebody referring to himself as "Alpha" despite not being able to date any women (because of various claims that if retyped are definitely against TOS) and then posting about it on an anonymous internet forum of people who will only agree with him b/c Alpha. What a strange, strange place.

Also some relevance to this forum someone said "Women will never have the work ethic of a man, why do you think essentially all doctors are men?" despite most med schools having ~1/2 women.
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Well on the plus side, no one on the SDN forum blamed "feminism" for their failure in social relationships, which is an improvement on some of the threads here.

Honestly, this type of sh-t makes me feel old. While we certainly had pickup artistry going on back when I was in school, the internet has created a nasty subculture that didn't really exist in significant numbers, even amongst gamers. Nowadays instead of "learn some social skills if you want to stop feeling like a loser," you can retreat into internet communities that will validate your loserdom and tell you it's everyone's fault... particularly the fault of the women. There are a lot of really pathetic posters here who weren't even on that "meeting women" thread. Some of the comments about simple social interactions amongst classmates and co-workers are cringe-worthy around here. Like bro, the reason you feel out of place isn't because "SJWs" have taken over. It's because you're a loser.
 
WingedOx said:
Well on the plus side, no one on the SDN forum blamed "feminism" for their failure in social relationships, which is an improvement on some of the threads here.

Honestly, this type of sh-t makes me feel old. While we certainly had pickup artistry going on back when I was in school, the internet has created a nasty subculture that didn't really exist in significant numbers, even amongst gamers. Nowadays instead of "learn some social skills if you want to stop feeling like a loser," you can retreat into internet communities that will validate your loserdom and tell you it's everyone's fault... particularly the fault of the women. There are a lot of really pathetic posters here who weren't even on that "meeting women" thread. Some of the comments about simple social interactions amongst classmates and co-workers are cringe-worthy around here. Like bro, the reason you feel out of place isn't because "SJWs" have taken over. It's because you're a loser.
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It's a problem of the internet in general, not just among red pillers. Whatever off-the-wall ideology you have you can find a community online to agree and validate you, and you can ignore any other dissenting opinions.
 
Pompacil said:
I don't know if it's accurate or not but I associate "red pill" with guys who are unsuccessful with women and blame everything but themselves (but mostly they blame women).
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So I did some reading on it and came to a conclusion that your definition is not entirely accurate. Sure it may include these guys but a lot of them got burned by the opposite gender and turned towards redpill, sort of like an unorthodox form of feminism.
 
The thread was not closed because of RP attitudes; the thread was closed because users were violating the TOS otherwise AND the RP attitudes offended a number of users (not that the attitudes were necessarily TOS violations except where they offend users).
 
Have you guys seen the MGTOW movement?
 
Prince090 said:
So I did some reading on it and came to a conclusion that your definition is not entirely accurate. Sure it may include these guys but a lot of them got burned by the opposite gender and turned towards redpill, sort of like an unorthodox form of feminism.
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That's...that's not at all what feminism is. What you described is exactly what the person you are quoting was saying.
 
At it's core its about a sense of entitlement. A guy who thinks that because he is nice/friendly with a girl that he likes, the girl should also like him back. When that doesn't happen, said guy goes online to vent and buys into the "nice guy finish last attitude" and starts believing that if only he could be dominant/aggressive/less caring, any woman will be his.
 
MGTOW is a level of weirdness that makes the internet fascinating.

I hope SDN will allow for a discourse of ideas, no matter how offensive, because allowing someone else to censor in advance sharpens the knife for your own back.
 
zero0 said:
The fundamental flaw in the ideology of both movements as far as I can see is that they fail to acknowledge that most of all people are garbage, rather than one sex in particular.
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mgtow seems to be a bunch of whiners who are probably the biggest betas in the world, have no social circle, never talk to women in real life, and think theyre going to meet some great gal online. id say nearly every person I know who is married met their spouse through a mutual friend or family recommendation, such that they knew the girl would be legit and vice versa. with online dating you have no idea what you're getting into. they say there are billions of women out there and theres one for everyone yada yada but like you said, most people are garbage and the actual number is far lower.
 
MRA, like other activist groups, have their ego glued to their perceived tribe, thus a blow to one is a blow to all. But the MGTOW seems much more sad, it sounds like to come to that mindset these men are hiding serious trauma from an ex-wife, mother, etc.
 
zero0 said:
The fundamental flaw in the ideology of both movements as far as I can see is that they fail to acknowledge that most of all people are garbage, rather than one sex in particular.
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I like the way you think.
 
skiier54 said:
mgtow seems to be a bunch of whiners who are probably the biggest betas in the world, have no social circle, never talk to women in real life, and think theyre going to meet some great gal online. id say nearly every person I know who is married met their spouse through a mutual friend or family recommendation, such that they knew the girl would be legit and vice versa. with online dating you have no idea what you're getting into. they say there are billions of women out there and theres one for everyone yada yada but like you said, most people are garbage and the actual number is far lower.
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I read the about section on the website. Wow.
 
skiier54 said:
mgtow seems to be a bunch of whiners who are probably the biggest betas in the world, have no social circle, never talk to women in real life, and think theyre going to meet some great gal online. id say nearly every person I know who is married met their spouse through a mutual friend or family recommendation, such that they knew the girl would be legit and vice versa. with online dating you have no idea what you're getting into. they say there are billions of women out there and theres one for everyone yada yada but like you said, most people are garbage and the actual number is far lower.
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That may explain why I keep going back to ex-gfs. They're terrible, but a familiar kind of terrible.
 
Prince090 said:
So a thread was locked due to redpill attitudes as it was against TOS. I wonder, how can we identity redpill attitudes and statements ? I googled the term redpill and the first result came up to be "Knowledge, freedom and the (sometimes painful) truth of reality (red pill)".
I am confused.
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It's largely a bunch of nonsense. Mostly guys who struggle with women and look to blame those struggle on other women rather than on their own looks and personality. Some of them do fine with women but are essentially just sexist. Those guys "do fine" as in are able to hook up due to their looks but couldn't ever retain a relationship due to their personality.
 
skiier54 said:
mgtow seems to be a bunch of whiners who are probably the biggest betas in the world, have no social circle, never talk to women in real life, and think theyre going to meet some great gal online. id say nearly every person I know who is married met their spouse through a mutual friend or family recommendation, such that they knew the girl would be legit and vice versa. with online dating you have no idea what you're getting into. they say there are billions of women out there and theres one for everyone yada yada but like you said, most people are garbage and the actual number is far lower.
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I wonder when the parade of sadness would rain upon this thread.
 
Oh geeze, I'll wade into this swamp with you.

MGTOW is a really good philosophy. That philosophy at its core is go your own way. Do what you want, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else. The spoke people are a bit on the whinny side, but they make excellent points.

The problem with marriage in today's society is that the family court system is HEAVYILY skewed to women. How in the world can someone be married for 5 years, divorce, and then get the court to order the divorced partner to pay this lady that ripped apart the marriage for years? It's something like 70% of women who initiate divorce. And the family court system in regard to child custody is anouther thing entirely.

My big issue with marriage today is No Fault Divorce. I think it has absolutely shredded the nuclear family and made society worse off. I understand leaving and divorcing someone who is abusive to you, but to tear apart a family just because mommy cheated on dad with an old flame and is filing for divorce is bonkers land. And it is royaly messing with the heads of the younger generation. We evolved to be monogamous as humans, maybe back in our primitive history we had multiple liaisons, but marriage has been the foundational bedrock for society forever. When you mess with that, you are gonna have a bad time.
 
GypsyHummus said:
Oh geeze, I'll wade into this swamp with you.

MGTOW is a really good philosophy. That philosophy at its core is go your own way. Do what you want, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else. The spoke people are a bit on the whinny side, but they make excellent points.

The problem with marriage in today's society is that the family court system is HEAVYILY skewed to women. How in the world can someone be married for 5 years, divorce, and then get the court to order the divorced partner to pay this lady that ripped apart the marriage for years? It's something like 70% of women who initiate divorce. And the family court system in regard to child custody is anouther thing entirely.

My big issue with marriage today is No Fault Divorce. I think it has absolutely shredded the nuclear family and made society worse off. I understand leaving and divorcing someone who is abusive to you, but to tear apart a family just because mommy cheated on dad with an old flame and is filing for divorce is bonkers land. And it is royaly messing with the heads of the younger generation. We evolved to be monogamous as humans, maybe back in our primitive history we had multiple liaisons, but marriage has been the foundational bedrock for society forever. When you mess with that, you are gonna have a bad time.
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I fail to see how a marriage in which a spouse remains loyal out of fear of legal consequences is better than divorce.
 
zero0 said:
The fundamental flaw in the ideology of both movements as far as I can see is that they fail to acknowledge that most of all people are garbage, rather than one sex in particular.
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Your cynicism about humanity in general is pretty obvious, but I am just curious, what makes the minority “not garbage” and to which group do you think you belong?
 
Well, fear of what? Like I said, I understand abuse divorces, but just because someone gets bored with their partner and wants a divorce seems a bit silly, wouldn't you agree?

But then to get divorced and then have to pay the women that divorced you alimony for years is where it gets into bonkers land.


SunsFun said:
I fail to see how a marriage in which a spouse remains loyal out of fear of legal consequences is better than divorce.
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GypsyHummus said:
Well, fear of what? Like I said, I understand abuse divorces, but just because someone gets bored with their partner and wants a divorce seems a bit silly, wouldn't you agree?

But then to get divorced and then have to pay the women that divorced you alimony for years is where it gets into bonkers land.
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I’d rather be divorced than married to someone who is bored with me and wants to screw someone else.

I am not that well versed in family law to respond to your second comment.
 
SunsFun said:
I’d rather be divorced than married to someone who is bored with me and wants to screw someone else.

I am not that well versed in family law to respond to your second comment.
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This for sure. There was a point in my life where I was in a relationship where we both pretty much hated each other, literally drains your soul. Would prefer a divorce over that any day
 
sliceofbread136 said:
This for sure. There was a point in my life where I was in a relationship where we both pretty much hated each other, literally drains your soul. Would prefer a divorce over that any day
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Well yah, that's why u don't get married to people you don't like.
 
SunsFun said:
Your cynicism about humanity in general is pretty obvious, but I am just curious, what makes the minority “not garbage” and to which group do you think you belong?
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You call it cynicism, I call it being observant of reality. Anyway not sure why you're getting all defensive. Are you that insecure of your own self-worth that you have to take it personally?
 
zero0 said:
You call it cynicism, I call it being observant of reality. Anyway not sure why you're getting all defensive. Are you that insecure of your own self-worth that you have to take it personally?
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Yeah, I am! Now that we got that out of the way, would you please try to answer the questions asked?
 
GypsyHummus said:
Well, fear of what? Like I said, I understand abuse divorces, but just because someone gets bored with their partner and wants a divorce seems a bit silly, wouldn't you agree?

But then to get divorced and then have to pay the women that divorced you alimony for years is where it gets into bonkers land.
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Umm...no. No it does not. I don't know or care about the alimony part, but saying that divorce shouldn't be a thing is ridiculous.

Marriage is a convenient package of legal ties that happens to be favored by our government. It is 2 people agreeing to a shared life and entering into a contract with certain benefits and certain drawbacks. If one party wishes to exit this contract, there should be a way to do so.
 
Monogamous marriage is a relatively recent thing in human history. Poly societies have existed for thousands of years before marriage came along, and still do. To say we "evolved" into monogamy is not only culturally insensitive (the assumption that these existing societies are socially "primitive" and we're so great), but also biologically incorrect. Evolutionary biology is rife with examples: "killer sperm," men achieving multiple orgasms in the presence of other men around their partner, and other human features that are specifically geared to address continuous sexual competition.

Seeking to "punish" a partner for initiating divorce is a slippery slope (what if they cheated because you were an a-hole to them? etc). If there is a loophole for some form of "fault" in the contract, divorce lawyers can spin basically any story they want to leave a partner destitute.


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I agree that it's a "relatively recent" human phenomenon. But it is (or was) a step in human evolution As a game changer (agricultural revolution). It has progressed people to this point and is the healthiest thing for a society. It's the reason we don't live in caves anymore, and why women are not treated like cattle and why men aren't constantly slaughtered.

As a point, name me one society where polyamory is the norm that has achieved spaceflight, or a huge industrialized boom. The only place I can think of are places in the Middle East, and that is because of natural reasourves reserves.

Marriage protects both men and women. The general rule of thumb is that a women gives up her youth a fertility to one guy and bears his children and raise them together and that guy promises to not leave her (security) when she becomes older and when he acquires more resources. In return, they guy knows that the children are his. This used to be the deal before the state got involved, and it was a fine (not great deal) for both parties involved. And it was the best deal avalible for men who are not the top 20% of men, and for women who are older.

To break apart a marriage, something that both parties entered into mutually (there are no forced marriages in America as far as I know now) just because "feels" is silly and irresponsible. And people say "oh I'd rather be alone than be married to someone I hate". Dude, u chose that person, deal with it. This isn't like buying a car and saying you don't like it anymore. If you don't wanna get married, don't.

And it's easy to say this "oh I want divorce as an option" as a young good looking 20-30 something year old, but what happenes when you are 50? That's why we have "crazy cat ladies" and "confirmed bachelors" although men tend to take being single better than women do in older age.

And the best part is, because the marriage system is so bad and men are opting out, you hear so many women go "where have all the good men gone?". Well, monkey see, monkey don't do. Men see other men being dragged trough the family court system and don't sign up for the same treatment.


OrthoTraumaMD said:
Monogamous marriage is a relatively recent thing in human history. Poly societies have existed for thousands of years before marriage came along, and still do. To say we "evolved" into monogamy is not only culturally insensitive (the assumption that these existing societies are socially "primitive" and we're so great), but also biologically incorrect. Evolutionary biology is rife with examples: "killer sperm," men achieving multiple orgasms in the presence of other men around their partner, and other human features that are specifically geared to address continuous sexual competition.

Seeking to "punish" a partner for initiating divorce is a slippery slope (what if they cheated because you were an a-hole to them? etc). If there is a loophole for some form of "fault" in the contract, divorce lawyers can spin basically any story they want to leave a partner destitute.


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I take it you aren't married? I take it you have never had to be dragged through family court? It's easy to say these thing beforehand and not know, but it shows a lack of empathy to say you don't care.

What happens when a male patient comes to you and is contemplating suicide because his wife took away his children and resources in a nasty devorce? It's an extremely common phenomenon.


mehc012 said:
Umm...no. No it does not. I don't know or care about the alimony part, but saying that divorce shouldn't be a thing is ridiculous.

Marriage is a convenient package of legal ties that happens to be favored by our government. It is 2 people agreeing to a shared life and entering into a contract with certain benefits and certain drawbacks. If one party wishes to exit this contract, there should be a way to do so.
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