Reform's A Comin'

[NickNaylor]

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The Dems finally got their 60th vote: http://tinyurl.com/ybog84z

I'm all for healthcare reform, but without even looking at the bill I found what was required to get the final vote to be problematic (i.e., the fact that Nebraska essentially gets extra federal dollars because... well, for no reason really).

This is also an interesting read; it's not the Senate bill, but it's helpful to see what's being addressed in reform directly from the bill rather than other potentially unbiased sources: http://tinyurl.com/yc8wyo6

Looks like, for better or for worse, we're gettin' reform.

 

[futureboy]

The Dems finally got their 60th vote: http://tinyurl.com/ybog84z

I'm all for healthcare reform, but without even looking at the bill I found what was required to get the final vote to be problematic (i.e., the fact that Nebraska essentially gets extra federal dollars because... well, for no reason really).

This is also an interesting read; it's not the Senate bill, but it's helpful to see what's being addressed in reform directly from the bill rather than other potentially unbiased sources: http://tinyurl.com/yc8wyo6

Looks like, for better or for worse, we're gettin' reform.

Nice job, Senate. You passed a bill that wastes billions of dollars, guts Medicare, accomplishes little, still leaves millions uninsured, and is disliked by both conservatives and liberals...

If either of these bills (House or Senate) is signed into law, we will regret it for a long, long time.

 

[texahn]

boo "reform"

 

[JaggerPlate]

So, I stopped paying attention to the reform issue to avoid having a stroke. Does anyone want to break down what's up for me (the links wouldn't load)?? From what I've heard, the public option is out, and it seems like more of the same, but trying to require people to get insured???

 

[futureboy]

trying to require people to get insured???

If you don't buy insurance, you're fined. If you don't pay the fine, it's time to call the criminal defense lawyer.

 

[FlowRate]

So, I stopped paying attention to the reform issue to avoid having a stroke. Does anyone want to break down what's up for me (the links wouldn't load)?? From what I've heard, the public option is out, and it seems like more of the same, but trying to require people to get insured???

Some rich old guys are doing something to make a bunch more old rich guys richer.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Just read some stuff ....

1. The bribes they gave the guy from Nebraska to get his vote sicken me

2. Public option gone, but government essentially gets two insurance companies to control and offer???

 

[futureboy]

Just read some stuff ....

1. The bribes they gave the guy from Nebraska to get his vote sicken me

Don't forget the $100 million (or was it $300 million?) to Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu's state in exchange for her vote to begin debate on the health care bill (the "Louisiana Purchase").

Isn't it great how politicians of both parties (legally) bribe each other with OUR taxpayer money? At least when people pay illegal bribes to the likes of Jim Traficant or William Jefferson, they have the decency to stuff the envelope with their OWN money...

 

[CapnCrunch]

Typical. We, the people, get promised one magnificent vision, and, in turn, it becomes even more pointless than a headless chicken. I guess we got to start from somewhere.

Yea. Go government!

 

[magicmage88]

Isn't it great how politicians of both parties (legally) bribe each other with OUR taxpayer money? At least when people pay illegal bribes to the likes of Jim Traficant or William Jefferson, they have the decency to stuff the envelope with their OWN money...

srsly... and i thought the government was trying to help us -.- this is just gonna bite us in the ass later in the game.. like everything else seems to lately.

 

[cytochrome]

I'm just glad AT LEAST these two provisions were kept in the bill-

1) the non-profit health plans
2) the 85cent/dollar requirement on health care spending from large companies

 

[Evergrey]

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[7starmantis]

I thought all of this debate and discussion was going to be on c-span for us to watch. Yeah for lying candidates and lack of transparency. Business as usual for Washington I suppose. We need to get rid of every representative and senator (either party) and start over.

 

[298609]

So, I stopped paying attention to the reform issue to avoid having a stroke.

hahaha, i'm glad i'm not alone.

i can't read/listen to the news anymore without my SNS spiking.

we need some better voices up top speaking english rather than whatever it is they speak when they give speeches. (i don't care that you call in rhetoric, i call it BS).




having said that, i think the gov is filled with crooks, yet they're all too ingrained in the system to be removed completely. until they all die they'll be influencing where our money goes. and it's not like it's going to end...

i think if you're going into politics you should have to get a degree in economics. i don't have one. i don't understand economics beyond a menial level. i do think, though, that mayyybe there's something wrong with using tax payer's money like monopoly money.


hahaha i just had an image of pelosi & reid and the rest of the gang playing monopoly with gov. checks.


maybe this bill is awesome! maybe it's filled with rainbows and teddy bears and fluffy bunnies. maybe...who knows really

i mean has anyone read it?

 

[Parts Unknown]

maybe this bill is awesome! maybe it's filled with rainbows and teddy bears and fluffy bunnies. maybe...who knows really

i mean has anyone read it?

You can download H.R. 3590 and read various breakdowns and summaries here.

You can find the so-called Manager's Amendment (which was just released yesterday) here.

 

[298609]

yeah i'm taking the mcat 1/29...don't have time to read 2074pgs.

and when i said anyone, i meant of those voting for the bill, sorry i wasn't clear.

 

[futureboy]

It is interesting that the Dems are jamming this thing through when the polls are showing that the public opposes it.

 

[futureboy]

yeah i'm taking the mcat 1/29...don't have time to read 2074pgs.

and when i said anyone, i meant of those voting for the bill, sorry i wasn't clear.

The Dems don't seem to care what's in the bill, even if it's garbage. They just want to pass "something.". I'm leaning more towards the Repubs right now, but they do the same crap when they're in control...

 

[hqt331]

The Dems don't seem to care what's in the bill, even if it's garbage. They just want to pass "something.". I'm leaning more towards the Repubs right now, but they do the same crap when they're in control...

Repubs have made it their political strategy to make sure no bill gets passed. Not defending the Dems or anything, but that's the truth of it.

 

[bamtuba]

Well, it would be nice to have at least one more legitimate party to choose from come election time. It seems that everyone just wants some type of "change," realizes too late that they just elected a group of people who really only care about towing the party line, and eventually just shifts to the other side because "the grass looks greener."

One more year and then maybe we can even things out so neither party can just jam whatever they want through no matter what the public wants...

 

[7starmantis]

I think if (and thats a big if) there is a positive to come out of all this crap it could be that (hopefully) the general populous in America has become aware of how bad things are in Washington. That maybe, just maybe, we will begin to hold our politicians to their own words or the truth. Maybe we will begin to educate ourselves and vote in qualified candidates who vote on issue specific grounds and not along party lines. Maybe this could be the start of the end of parties altogether.

Ok, ok, so wishful thinking, but if somehow we have opened the eyes of the general public about Washington and made them even a bit more interested in voting and educating themselves about political matters its a plus. I doubt it though because as we know the masses are asses.

 

[FIREitUP]

I think if (and thats a big if) there is a positive to come out of all this crap it could be that (hopefully) the general populous in America has become aware of how bad things are in Washington. That maybe, just maybe, we will begin to hold our politicians to their own words or the truth. Maybe we will begin to educate ourselves and vote in qualified candidates who vote on issue specific grounds and not along party lines. Maybe this could be the start of the end of parties altogether.

Ok, ok, so wishful thinking, but if somehow we have opened the eyes of the general public about Washington and made them even a bit more interested in voting and educating themselves about political matters its a plus. I doubt it though because as we know the masses are asses.

It will get worse to the point that we will have no choice but to actually do something. Wait for hyperinflation, and more job losses. The rich will continue to get richer and the poor poorer until we reach a breaking point.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

who thinks either way this is going to screw us over more..

 

[7starmantis]

who thinks either way this is going to screw us over more..

Isn't that what Washington always does to us?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Isn't that what Washington always does to us?

sometimes i think we need to go back to the system of kings and emperors..
things go by faster.. and the masses are happy as long as their fed..

 

[7starmantis]

sometimes i think we need to go back to the system of kings and emperors..
things go by faster.. and the masses are happy as long as their fed..

Well for me, it certainly reaffirms why the founding fathers were so against established government and heavy on state rights....just an interesting spin on things for me I guess.

 

[jtimmer1]

H.R. 3590 isn't bad IMO. I see in it "some" of the things that I can see benefiting the health care system in a positive way. However, the senate bill is a pile of, well you know.

My hope is that either the senate bill doesn't pass. If it does pass, it will have to be merged with the house bill. I hope the final bill throws out much of the bad language from the senate bill and keeps most of the good language from the house bill. This is the only way that I can see a good outcome.

 

[c5212]

Isn't that what Washington always does to us?

+1👍
Different party in control; same results - or lack thereof.

 

[medmannamdem]

elected procedures...that was in a yahoo article pointing out the winners and losers of the proposed bill.

tanning salons are getting hit with a tax, which does not bother me, but I believe that a tax on those elected procedures may have been a good idea.

Thoughts?

 

[7starmantis]

elected procedures...that was in a yahoo article pointing out the winners and losers of the proposed bill.

tanning salons are getting hit with a tax, which does not bother me, but I believe that a tax on those elected procedures may have been a good idea.

Thoughts?

Theres a thread for that already. But I'm glad its out.

 

[JaggerPlate]

elected procedures...that was in a yahoo article pointing out the winners and losers of the proposed bill.

tanning salons are getting hit with a tax, which does not bother me, but I believe that a tax on those elected procedures may have been a good idea.

Thoughts?

They dumped the 5% tax on cosmetic procedures??? Schweet.

 

[avksx]

The government?


You mean that massive collective of thousands of different people all with independent ideas and motives for changing the country pulling in a million different directions?

They're definitely all out to get you.


As for legislative process? It should be so much easier. It's not like they're trying to solve global issues that directly involve innumerable dependent variables and the lives of +350 million people.

Every single one of Americas citizens has exactly the same needs, and the American government has infinite resources with which to resolve those needs with a single legislative bill. They just refuse to because they're mean!

 

[FIREitUP]

The government?


You mean that massive collective of thousands of different people all with independent ideas and motives for changing the country pulling in a million different directions?

They're definitely all out to get you.


As for legislative process? It should be so much easier. It's not like they're trying to solve global issues that directly involve innumerable dependent variables and the lives of +350 million people.

Every single one of Americas citizens has exactly the same needs, and the American government has infinite resources with which to resolve those needs with a single legislative bill. They just refuse to because they're mean!

they refuse to because their pockets are lined with money from pharm and health insurance companies. oh, and because reform=socialism.

 

[avksx]

they refuse to because their pockets are lined with money from pharm and health insurance companies. oh, and because reform=socialism.

I was mocking the fact the people think government is a single unified entity.

 

[goldandapager]

This 'healthcare reform' is BOGUS.... you're all sheep.

 

[JaggerPlate]

they refuse to because their pockets are lined with money from pharm and health insurance companies. oh, and because reform=socialism.

Whaaa??? It's not socialism. The government is just looking at for you. Don't you want a big, powerful, pal to help you?? Like, a big brother or something? Don't you love your big brother? Don't you want someone to tell you about how you legally need to take care of your health, and how big of a flat screen TV you can legally own??? It's a good thing!

 

[JaggerPlate]

This 'healthcare reform' is BOGUS.... you're all sheep.

Sweet dude ... ur a badazz. I bet you don't even listen to popular music. You probably hate starbucks and ipods too.

 

[avksx]

This 'healthcare reform' is BOGUS.... you're all sheep.

I'd characterize myself as more of a ram to be honest. I am an Aries after all!

 

[redsquareblack]

The best part of the Manager's Amendment is how gun-friendly it is. Apparently, whether you skydive or bungee jump are risk factors that insurance companies can take into consideration, but gun ownership is not.

Sweet, dude.

 

[NickNaylor]

Don't forget the $100 million (or was it $300 million?) to Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu's state in exchange for her vote to begin debate on the health care bill (the "Louisiana Purchase").

Isn't it great how politicians of both parties (legally) bribe each other with OUR taxpayer money? At least when people pay illegal bribes to the likes of Jim Traficant or William Jefferson, they have the decency to stuff the envelope with their OWN money...

Here's a list of other bribes that were required for the bill to pass: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30815.html

The reform bill just makes me nervous. Not OH-SHT-LET'S-GET-OUT-OF-THE-U.S. grade nervous, but nervous from the aspect of how completely incompetent and corrupt our legislative system is. I never realized just how crooked our politicians are. If anything, I'm glad that I've been paying attention to this issue just for that reason (as someone previously said).

 

[Hoody]

Does anyone watch Democracy Now!??? Thats where the real news is at.....for all of you that are just learning of the bribes, Amy Goodwin will get you up-to-date. 👍👍👍

 

[futureboy]

Repubs have made it their political strategy to make sure no bill gets passed. Not defending the Dems or anything, but that's the truth of it.

The Repubs are opposing this bill because they think it is a bad bill that will harm the country. Passing no bill is better than passing a lousy one.

By the way, the Dems did everything they could to oppose the Repubs' attempt to privatize Social Security, which was another bad idea that needed to be stopped.

 

[Slack3r]

It passed. Whoopee. 🙄 Now it begins, I'd hate to be the guy that said I told you so...

 

[Hoody]

Passing no bill is better than passing a lousy one.

. Truth. Unfortunately politicians don't care....whatever gets money in their pockets and interest in their individual committee(s) wins.

 

[futureboy]

One more year and then maybe we can even things out so neither party can just jam whatever they want through no matter what the public wants...

Things seem to work best when control of the legislature and the presidency is split between the parties. Legislation and policy are made with more of a consensus, with less influence from each party's "kook fringe." Gridlock in government is actually a good thing.

 

[Hoody]

It passed. Whoopee. 🙄 Now it begins, I'd hate to be the guy that said I told you so...

ugh. a windfall of money for insurance companies (cause they dont have enough money already right?) and no reflection from the original bill. Obama is impressing me less and less each day. 👎


.....I'll take Clinton back.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

ugh. a windfall of money for insurance companies (cause they dont have enough money already right?) and no reflection from the original bill. Obama is impressing me less and less each day. 👎


.....I'll take Clinton back.

i bet a 50 she'll be elected next time to the presidency..

honestly.. i still say al gore should run for president again..
and that we should forbid ron paul from running again..

 

[viruslover]

you know what I hate the most?? the fact that it takes away incentives for us, the future medical specialists of america. it will make many of us who would have made really good medical specialists reconsider spending the extra time in school simply because general practitioners now will be paid about the same but will have a lot less responsibility and a lot lower malpractice insurance bill. it makes me so angry that our congress isn't listening to what we want... they are just so hell-bent on getting this "historic" bill passed that they'll do anything, no matter how unethical, to get it through.

 

[Hoody]

i bet a 50 she'll be elected next time to the presidency..

I was actually referring to her better half.........

and that we should forbid ron paul from running again..

😕

 

[Hoody]

it makes me so angry that our congress isn't listening to what we want...

when you say "we" I hope your referring to the public and not to just what doctors want. catering solely to doctors is no more unethical than catering soley to the insurance companies and the politicians.