REGARDING Zerox's Comment on the Doctoral Degree

[txpharmdstud]

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quoted from Zerox
"Spend 2 years more than an undergrad in college and you get to be called a "doctor". No thesis, research, nothing. It should be called a master or bachelor since its so easy.

Doctors and PhD are the only ones deserved to be called "Doctor" since they went through 12 years of school and research and they know everything in their field.

Comments?"

Pharmacy school 2-4 years undergrad + 4 years professional = 'Doctorate ' then residency if one prefers

Medical School 3-4 years undergrad + 4 years professional = 'Doctorate' then residency

What's the difference? Some med schools dont require a Bac. degree, it's just taht most have one since it's so comp. A lot of Pharm students now have degrees.

And what's this about how doctor's know every thing in their field? Pharmacists knows everything in their field, or most, or learn it on the job, same with medicines.

 

[Z e r o X]

quoted from Zerox
"Spend 2 years more than an undergrad in college and you get to be called a "doctor". No thesis, research, nothing. It should be called a master or bachelor since its so easy.

Doctors and PhD are the only ones deserved to be called "Doctor" since they went through 12 years of school and research and they know everything in their field.

Comments?"

Pharmacy school 2-4 years undergrad + 4 years professional = 'Doctorate ' then residency if one prefers

Medical School 3-4 years undergrad + 4 years professional = 'Doctorate' then residency

What's the difference? Some med schools dont require a Bac. degree, it's just taht most have one since it's so comp. A lot of Pharm students now have degrees.

And what's this about how doctor's know every thing in their field? Pharmacists knows everything in their field, or most, or learn it on the job, same with medicines.

Most pharmacy school only require a 2 year prerequisite and none require residency. Thats 6 years. Becoming a doctor requires at least 4+4+3 = 11 years.

And doctors know everything a pharmacist knows plus how to treat and diagnose disease.

How else would doctors know what drugs to prescribe? Pharmacist mainly check the doctors work for errors and rarely change it the drug the doctor prescribe.

 

[imperial frog]

And doctors know everything a pharmacist knows plus how to treat and diagnose disease.

How else would doctors know what drugs to prescribe? Pharmacist mainly check the doctors work for errors and rarely change it the drug the doctor prescribe.

I'm beginning to think you know absolutely nothing about any medical profession, not just pharmacy.

 

[Z e r o X]

I've seen pharmacist at work. and read sites about them. And talked to one once.

How do I know nothing?

 

[CSzGirl]

And doctors know everything a pharmacist knows plus how to treat and diagnose disease.

How else would doctors know what drugs to prescribe? Pharmacist mainly check the doctors work for errors and rarely change it the drug the doctor prescribe.

If doctors know everything a pharmacist knows, why are there sooooo many "prescriptions" coming through my hospital pharmacy written simply as "per pharmacist orders" or something similar? .

And as for the pharmacy program I have been accepted to, by the time students are finished, we are all able to run a complete diagnosis and suggests a course of treatment for anything from the waist up (basically, the only thing we don't learn how to do is gynecological exams). This includes reading ekgs, palpitating livers and listening to heart and lung sounds.

How do doctors know what to prescribe? Hang out at a doctor's office for any length of time and you can see the almost steady stream of drug reps that parade through the office. One morning, I saw no fewer than ten drug reps come into the office in the space of fifteen minutes. Outside of the drug rep stuff, doctors actually prescribe a VERY limited variety of common medications.

I've seen pharmacist at work. and read sites about them. And talked to one once.

How do I know nothing?

I just woke up the people upstairs because I was laughing so hard

 

[LVPharm]

I've seen pharmacist at work. and read sites about them. And talked to one once.

How do I know nothing?

Oh, sorry Julio, we all stand corrected...you know very close to nothing. After all, you did talk to one pharmacist once. Oh, and read sites about them (***cough*** Pharmacy Week forums ***cough***). Very well qualified to denigrate an entire healthcare profession. 🙄

 

[BMBiology]

The quality of PharmD programs especially rotations really varies across the nation. In California, most of the pharmacy students have a college degree before pharmacy school. All but 1 of my 190 USC classmates have a college degree; some even have a master in business or science. The majority went to UCLA undergraduate.

Medical doctors are on top of the respect ladder and they demand that respect. They rarely admit when they are wrong or they need advice. However, when their favorite drug therapy doesn't work or their patients suffer from unexpected side effects, they will start to seek assistance. That is when many seek the advice of a pharmacist. However, that doesn't mean they will just ask any pharmacists. They seek the ones that they can trust and are very knowledgable. I see this many times when I was working at Kaiser. Pharmacists can truly make a big difference in patient care, but not all pharmacists are truly trained to do so.

It is not a matter of recognization, it is a matter of patient care for me. If respect and prestige are your number 1 priority then the profession of pharmacy may not be for you. But if you want to make a difference in someone's life, work 40 hours a week, make good money and still have time to spend with your family, then the profession of pharmacy may be for you.

However, If you really want to dictate how others practice their profession, you can become one of those pharmacists on the PT committee. They do not only determine the drug formula but what physicians can prescribe what drugs. But guess what? The patients are the ultimate losers when health care professionals cannot work together but more importantly, feel the need to dictate and degrade other health care professionals.

 

[LVPharm]

Most pharmacy school only require a 2 year prerequisite and none require residency. Thats 6 years. Becoming a doctor requires at least 4+4+3 = 11 years.

You're a physician at 4+4 (you've earned your M.D. or D.O.). Last time I checked, medical residents are doctors.

 

[ZpackSux]

You're a physician at 4+4 (you've earned your M.D. or D.O.). Last time I checked, medical residents are doctors.

Lawyers receive a doctorate also.. JD. And Law school is 3 years. That's 7 years.

There used to be 6 year MD programs.. not sure if it still exists.. 2 year prereq..and 4 year Med School..

btw... this topic is senseless...I'm not even sure why I'm responding..

 

[dgroulx]

Lawyers receive a doctorate also.. JD. And Law school is 3 years. That's 7 years.

There used to be 6 year MD programs.. not sure if it still exists.. 2 year prereq..and 4 year Med School..

btw... this topic is senseless...I'm not even sure why I'm responding..

True. There are still med schools that only require prerequisites and no degree. The prerequisites appear to be the same as those for pharmacy.

I'm not sure of the point of all this, either.

 

[nikkai]

I believe the term people are looking for to categorize xerox is "troll"

Ignore the troll.

Thought - stimulating debate is one thing, leaving a comment to piss off the community is another.

 

[goheel]

Can't the mod just ban this troll? I'm getting sick and tired of his comments. This kid probably doesn't even go to college.

 

[Glycerin]

The most effective way to not read someone whose posts may offend you is to place them on your ignore list. You can do this by clicking their user name and clicking the ignore link. 🙂

 

[OoShimmeroO]

Lawyers receive a doctorate also.. JD. And Law school is 3 years. That's 7 years.

There used to be 6 year MD programs.. not sure if it still exists.. 2 year prereq..and 4 year Med School..

btw... this topic is senseless...I'm not even sure why I'm responding..

UMKC offers a six year program... I guess Xerox would consider graduates from this school non-deserving of their title

 

[imperial frog]

Hmm...removing the Xeroxer's posts makes the responses seem odd.

 

[AmyShyu]

UMKC offers a six year program... I guess Xerox would consider graduates from this school non-deserving of their title

UMKC do only 5-years now. But here is MY comment

Doctor of something means the expert of something. So...phD is doctor of philosophy in the specific area (biochem, journalism, etc.) usually takes around 4-5 years because the research processes (experiments, theories, and so on.) My best friend got her phD in 3 years and another friend of mine might need seven or more because her experiments are not going very well. it's hard. and I believe Pharmacy school and the courses are not something you can take down without hard working. so...long story short, doctor of pharmacy means expert of pharmacy. and only people who are trained specifically in pharmacy can be called doctor of pharmacy. savvy??

 

[Laferno]

Let zerox speak. Everything he says is freaking hilarious compared to the dry crap I have to read for all my classes. Though it does make me wonder about his personal life when he comes over to this forum frequently to insult people/pharmacy with his wildly absurd "facts". Keep it up zerox, you're the man.

Zerox: Doctors know everything a pharmacist knows plus how to treat and diagnose disease.
Me: Then why do Pharmacists even exist?
or
Me: Then why do pharmacists check doctors prescriptions? Other doctors arent checking every diagnosis that they make.
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Me: That must mean doctors go through the same schooling as pharmacists. So then, the only differences between pharmacists and doctors are their rotations and residencies...in which, doctors learn everything they know about diagnosing disease. Sounds plausable.
or
Me: Do you even know what a pharmacist does?
or
Me: Keep it up zerox, you are the man.

 

[Z e r o X]

Let zerox speak. Everything he says is freaking hilarious compared to the dry crap I have to read for all my classes. Though it does make me wonder about his personal life when he comes over to this forum frequently to insult people/pharmacy with his wildly absurd "facts". Keep it up zerox, you're the man.

Zerox: Doctors know everything a pharmacist knows plus how to treat and diagnose disease.
Me: Then why do Pharmacists even exist?
or
Me: Then why do pharmacists check doctors prescriptions? Other doctors arent checking every diagnosis that they make.
or
Me: That must mean doctors go through the same schooling as pharmacists. So then, the only differences between pharmacists and doctors are their rotations and residencies...in which, doctors learn everything they know about diagnosing disease. Sounds plausable.
or
Me: Do you even know what a pharmacist does?
or
Me: Keep it up zerox, you are the man.

My friend said that pharmacist are kind of like overpaid sales representatives. They give you the product(drugs) and make sure all the clerical stuff is done correctly like # of pills and right type of pill. They also might do some couseling to patients if the doctor didn't already do that.

Pharmacist exist because somebody who is knows about drugs needs to make sure the drugs are not mishandled and stolen because its prescriptions and regulated by FDA. Thats why OTC drugs arn't handled by pharmacist. They arn't as dangerous.

As for the pharmacy school, its not as rigorous as medical school so they don't learn as much. Somebody in med school probably learns as much about drugs in 1 year as somebody in pharm school learns in 3 years because its more rigourous. And, some doctors know even more about drugs than pharmacist esp. if its a specialist like brain surgeon knows about brain drugs or heart doctor knows about heart drugs than anybody else.