Rejecting DO acceptance and reapplying to be able to practice in India?

[docren004]

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If I only receive DO acceptances, and I reject them because my wife is Indian and she wants me to be able to practice in India, and I reapply next year, would schools be able to see that I had done that? Would it be frowned upon? Would there be an opportunity to explain it? Does that sound like a reasonable reason to do that?

 

[Dr. Anonymouss]

If you don’t want to go to a DO school then don’t apply for DO schools?

 

[Kardio]

If I only receive DO acceptances, and I reject them because my wife is Indian and she wants me to be able to practice in India, and I reapply next year, would schools be able to see that I had done that? Would it be frowned upon? Would there be an opportunity to explain it? Does that sound like a reasonable reason to do that?

International practice is tricky for physicians (MD and DO) in general. I would reach out to the AOA and ask if any DOs have practiced in India recently (and if it was long- or short-term). See how their response compares to MDs who get practice rights in India.

An MD acceptance during a reapplication is not guaranteed (in fact, I believe, it is statistically unlikely).

I assume the cost of living in India is significantly lower than in the US. You may be better served by keeping your acceptance, attempt to retire young, and move to India afterward.

 

[DexterMorganSK]

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If I only receive DO acceptances, and I reject them because my wife is Indian and she wants me to be able to practice in

India, and I reapply next year, would schools be able to see that I had done that? - Yes

Would it be frowned upon?-Double Yes

Would there be an opportunity to explain it?- Probably not, you may not get an acceptance again.

Does that sound like a reasonable reason to do that? No. Why did you apply to a US medical school if you didn't want to practice in the US.

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[67552931811]

Considering the MCI made the DO degree equivalent to the MBBS in November I’d say you royally screwed up my friend

 

[CindyLieu]

I didnt realize allopathic programs had access to DO applicant acceptance info seeing as how they are two different application systems and governing bodies. Interesting

 

[docren004]

Considering the MCI made the DO degree equivalent to the MBBS in November I’d say you royally screwed up my friend

I called MCI and they said DO's have no practice rights in India yet. From which source did you come to know that the degree became equivalent to MBBS in India?

 

[docren004]

="docren004, post: 21675726, member: 1030877"]
If I only receive DO acceptances, and I reject them because my wife is Indian and she wants me to be able to practice in

India, and I reapply next year, would schools be able to see that I had done that? - Yes

Would it be frowned upon?-Double Yes

Would there be an opportunity to explain it?- Probably not, you may not get an acceptance again.

Does that sound like a reasonable reason to do that? No. Why did you apply to a US medical school if you didn't want to practice in the US.

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I do want to study in the US. I have done my pre-med in the US to study here. My wife is an Indian doctor and as a couple, our long term goal is to set up a charitable clinic in India. I visited India and I strongly feel inclined to serve the poor and needy in India one day. People, their suffering and their need for treatment feel the same to me whether its the US or India and if I get a chance I want to be of service for them.

 

[zNoodlez]

Here is the most important question, what are your stats?

 

[DexterMorganSK]

I do want to study in the US. I have done my pre-med in the US to study here. My wife is an Indian doctor and as a couple, our long term goal is to set up a charitable clinic in India. I visited India and I strongly feel inclined to serve the poor and needy in India one day. People, their suffering and their need for treatment feel the same to me whether its the US or India and if I get a chance I want to be of service for them.
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It's probably better that you do the MBBS in India then. GL

 

[67552931811]

I called MCI and they said DO's have no practice rights in India yet. From which source did you come to know that the degree became equivalent to MBBS in India?

Maybe you should call again and talk with someone who knows what they are talking about. The case which challenged and changed things is pretty clearly found online.

 

[docren004]

Here is the most important question, what are your stats?

3.3 cGPA with a strong trend of improvement over last 3 years of school.
519 MCAT (which expires this year)
300 hours of hospital volunteering as clinical experience
200 hours of non-clinical community service
~50 hours of shadowing
Reapplicant

 

[zNoodlez]

3.3 cGPA with a strong trend of improvement over last 3 years of school.
519 MCAT (which expires this year)
300 hours of hospital volunteering as clinical experience
200 hours of non-clinical community service
~50 hours of shadowing
Reapplicant

Apply only MD this cycle broadly. Leave the DO spot for people who truly value it.

 

[esob]

At the end of the day, unless you go to a private school, any state school is going to be subsidizing your education with taxpayer funds, which leaves the school in the position to offer seats to people who are most likely to stay and practice in that area. If you tell an adcom about wanting to go practice in India, no matter how altruistic it might seem to you, it is probably going to send your application to the trash can.

 

[docren004]

At the end of the day, unless you go to a private school, any state school is going to be subsidizing your education with taxpayer funds, which leaves the school in the position to offer seats to people who are most likely to stay and practice in that area. If you tell an adcom about wanting to go practice in India, no matter how altruistic it might seem to you, it is probably going to send your application to the trash can.

I want to work in the US and ideally be able to go to India at least once in 3 years and serve there for a month and help my wife with the process. Coz we are an interracial couple its complicated but I always want to honor her feelings for her country and people if I get a chance and that was the purpose of the question.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

I didnt realize allopathic programs had access to DO applicant acceptance info seeing as how they are two different application systems and governing bodies. Interesting

They can't. They also don't care.

 

[MusicDOc124]

If you don't speak the local language or dialect, and possibly take their countries medical exam in their written language, then whether MD or DO, that won't happen. Are you fluent in their language/dialect where you'd want to go?

If not, then even as an MD, this would not be an option.

 

[esob]

I want to work in the US and ideally be able to go to India at least once in 3 years and serve there for a month and help my wife with the process. Coz we are an interracial couple its complicated but I always want to honor her feelings for her country and people if I get a chance and that was the purpose of the question.

I understand, I'm just saying I wouldn't mention it to an adcom b/c they probably won't understand 😀

 

[Goro]

They can't. They also don't care.

Well, it's tad nuanced. Many secondaries ask if you have been accepted to a medical school, and Admission Deans do informally chat with each other.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Well, it's tad nuanced. Many secondaries ask if you have been accepted to a medical school, and Admission Deans do informally chat with each other.

True, however if I remember correctly a lot of apps asked if I had matriculated, although some did ask about accepted.

I don’t think most MD schools actually care if you reject a DO acceptance, but that’s just a hypothesis based on what I’ve seen on here over the years.

 

[Sephirakra]

I want to work in the US and ideally be able to go to India at least once in 3 years and serve there for a month and help my wife with the process. Coz we are an interracial couple its complicated but I always want to honor her feelings for her country and people if I get a chance and that was the purpose of the question.

You want to go for a month every three years? Why not go through an NGO that will validate your credentials? It's my understanding (and there's probably more stipulations than I'm aware of) that organizations like MSF/DWB will allow you to practice in target areas regardless of whether MD, DO, MBBS, etc.

 

[Sleepingdoc]

Its obvious that you dont want to do DO,... Just leave it and give it to someone who deserves it., go to India and get MBBS... you can get MBBS if you pay some amount of money to the managements under the table over there and practice there all you want...
This is just an example of a decision making issue here with you that will not help you succeed if you practice in the US.

 

[docren004]

Its obvious that you dont want to do DO,... Just leave it and give it to someone who deserves it., go to India and get MBBS... you can get MBBS if you pay some amount of money to the managements under the table over there and practice there all you want...
This is just an example of a decision making issue here with you that will not help you succeed if you practice in the US.

the decision is not yet made that's why I am asking this question. If you think this question is going to assess my decision-making capacity I don't think that's fair. In a hospital setting, I won't come across a situation with a patient where I would consider if I make this decision how is it going to affect my family life with my wife. Before committing myself for years to a degree (which I appreciate and respect a lot by the way ) and I feel it's fair to understand the pros and cons and use platforms like this to clear my doubts.

 

[docren004]

You want to go for a month every three years? Why not go through an NGO that will validate your credentials? It's my understanding (and there's probably more stipulations than I'm aware of) that organizations like MSF/DWB will allow you to practice in target areas regardless of whether MD, DO, MBBS, etc.

Thank you for your suggestion. Will definitely consider that.

 

[docren004]

If you don't speak the local language or dialect, and possibly take their countries medical exam in their written language, then whether MD or DO, that won't happen. Are you fluent in their language/dialect where you'd want to go?

If not, then even as an MD, this would not be an option.

I speak Hindi, I am able to communicate with the locals when I am there. Their medical licensing exam (MCI) is in English.

 

[MusicDOc124]

I speak Hindi, I am able to communicate with the locals when I am there. Their medical licensing exam (MCI) is in English.

It sounds like either DO or MBBS is viable for you. If you want to practice in the US, you'll need residency, and getting one as a DO is easy. Getting one as an IMG/FMG is not. Which will give you the least amount of hoops to jump through? And can you get accepted to an MBBS there and move there in time to start in time to be on par with if you were to matriculate with your current DO acceptance?

Where will you spend most of your time? How much time will you be spending at the one with lesser time?

 

[Sleepingdoc]

the decision is not yet made that's why I am asking this question. If you think this question is going to assess my decision-making capacity I don't think that's fair. In a hospital setting, I won't come across a situation with a patient where I would consider if I make this decision how is it going to affect my family life with my wife. Before committing myself for years to a degree (which I appreciate and respect a lot by the way ) and I feel it's fair to understand the pros and cons and use platforms like this to clear my doubts.

You seriously have two choices, take the DO and leave the wife ... or go to India with your wife and get an MBBS.... What is important to you??? Why did you even apply DO if you hadn't thought it through.... really I hope DO schools dont take you next year if you reject this one... What are you gonna tell them??? " oh i am sorry, I rejected your offer because my wife is indian????"- it does not even make sense....

 

[docren004]

It sounds like either DO or MBBS is viable for you. If you want to practice in the US, you'll need residency, and getting one as a DO is easy. Getting one as an IMG/FMG is not. Which will give you the least amount of hoops to jump through? And can you get accepted to an MBBS there and move there in time to start in time to be on par with if you were to matriculate with your current DO acceptance?

Where will you spend most of your time? How much time will you be spending at the one with lesser time?

These are very valid questions. Thank you so much. Indian MBBS will be a longer route. I did all my premed studies here and intend to live in the US. Thanks to constructive questions like yours I think I am more certain with my final decision.

 

[docren004]

You seriously have two choices, take the DO and leave the wife ... or go to India with your wife and get an MBBS.... What is important to you??? Why did you even apply DO if you hadn't thought it through.... really I hope DO schools dont take you next year if you reject this one... What are you gonna tell them??? " oh i am sorry, I rejected your offer because my wife is indian????"- it does not even make sense....

"leave the wife....I hope DO schools don't take you next year" that's too much positivity in one day for me.

 

[Goro]

"leave the wife....I hope DO schools don't take you next year" that's too much positivity in one day for me.

I agree that the sentiments were harsh, but your line of thinking is not one of someone who dearly wants to be a doctor, but only a doctor if it's convenient.

 

[Sleepingdoc]

"leave the wife....I hope DO schools don't take you next year" that's too much positivity in one day for me.

Sorry, I did not mean to come out as mean, I know you are not gonna leave your wife/family... but really you are an adult who can make decisions... your reasoning just does not make sense regarding practicing in India... you just did not think it through.. even if you try to reason it any way, to me it seems like DO was just a back up plan for you and you think you could apply MD again next year.

 

[docren004]

Maybe you should call again and talk with someone who knows what they are talking about. The case which challenged and changed things is pretty clearly found online.

I talked to the people who have an ongoing case with MCI about the DO recognition. They told me there have been progress but it's not accepted yet. So officially as of now the degree is not recognized.

 

[67552931811]

I talked to the people who have an ongoing case with MCI about the DO recognition. They told me there have been progress but it's not accepted yet. So officially as of now the degree is not recognized.

Literally all you have to do is type into google. Cmon man... smh... its easily, stop being lazy

as I stated before the MCI recognizes it equivalent to the US MD degree and the MBBS

 

[docren004]

Literally all you have to do is type into google. Cmon man... smh... its easily, stop being lazy

as I stated before the MCI recognizes it equivalent to the US MD degree and the MBBS

If you Google it and you look beyond the citation-less claim on Wikipedia (speaking of not being lazy), there are actually multiple conflicting claims online about this. Furthermore, the International Practice Rights division of the AOA informed us that DOs cannot practice in India. Thirdly, the DO who has had an ongoing case about this told us that while there has been progress, they’re still not allowed to practice in India. Fourth, we called MCI directly twice and both the times they confirmed the same thing. Those are my sources. What exactly are yours? Let’s see who’s really being lazy here.

 

[docren004]

I agree that the sentiments were harsh, but your line of thinking is not one of someone who dearly wants to be a doctor, but only a doctor if it's convenient.

Sir, it’s never convenient to become a doctor no matter what, and I do dearly want to become a doctor, but I also want my wife to be happy. You know, happy wife, happy life, etc.

 

[67552931811]

If you Google it and you look beyond the citation-less claim on Wikipedia (speaking of not being lazy), there are actually multiple conflicting claims online about this. Furthermore, the International Practice Rights division of the AOA informed us that DOs cannot practice in India. Thirdly, the DO who has had an ongoing case about this told us that while there has been progress, they’re still not allowed to practice in India. Fourth, we called MCI directly twice and both the times they confirmed the same thing. Those are my sources. What exactly are yours? Let’s see who’s really being lazy here.

Wikipedia? Lol what are you talking about kid. I really couldn’t care less about you and your desire to practice in India. It’s just hilarious you can’t find facts on google. What year were you born in? There are multiple reports by reporters (you know, the people who report things lol) about how the MCI now recognizes the US DO degree as equivalent to the US MD degree and the MBBS. The MCI board of governors met and made the change in 2019 and it was first reported in the fall of 2019 (hint November 16, 2019). Surely having this date will by-pass your incompetence! Let’s see!!

 

[docren004]

Wikipedia? Lol what are you talking about kid. I really couldn’t care less about you and your desire to practice in India. It’s just hilarious you can’t find facts on google. What year were you born in? There are multiple reports by reporters (you know, the people who report things lol) about how the MCI now recognizes the US DO degree as equivalent to the US MD degree and the MBBS. It was made on November 16, 2019. Surely having this date will by-pass your incompetence! Let’s see!!

Are you referring to that blog post with no sources? Cite your sources, son. Let’s see ‘em in link form.