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Your desire not to repeat the year is understandable. But as @Goro clearly pointed out, you haven't demonstrated even competency, let alone mastery. Repeating the year would not be punitive, but in your best interest. Believe it or not, the school has a vested interest in your success. You are in a sense, our product. Although wildly expensive, repeating the year with a clean slate might put you in a better place academically. Many residencies would overlook repeating a year if the following years showed a steady improvement. Also, starting fresh with a new study strategy and utilizing tutors and other resources should have a much different outcome for you. Do you want to barely pass the remediation and continue to scratch your way through school, or hit the ground running with a fresh start next year with additional resources at your side? Give it some thought before you appeal to the committee. Good luck and best wishes!Hi Goro,
The Dean was supportive, but said he was concerned the committee might not be, for exactly that reason.
However, financially Im not in much of a position to repeat the year so I am trying to avoid that especially because this was one of 6 courses. If they decide I should repeat, of course I will, but I am trying my hardest to not have to repeat.
Hi Mass Effect
That’s definitely not where I placed my focus in the statement.
The exam was harder than any in the class but that’s how Remediation goes.
The repeat year would start Monday I was given a 5 day turn around on this. Repeating the course would be one thing, but at my school policy dictates I repeat the year. I already succeeded in passing Hem Onc CPR GI and Endo Repro but would have to redo those as well, and pay for them.
I was asked about a research job and told no because we have an “integrated” curriculum.
How then did I pass those without the foundations?
The exam didn’t represent what I studied or really reflect the course but some others passed.
Still I think if I learn the content in time that’s sufficient
Not sure if you've ever been in this situation but its a rough spot to be in, the normal response for most people is to fight and try their best to keep going. Luckily the committee will be more level headed and almost certainly make him/her repeat the year.people have given you great advice in this thread and you have argued with them. My advice will be a little harsher to get the point across. Even if you were to convince them that you could retake the remediation exam, you will most likely not pass it. Furthermore, who gives a **** if youre "financially not in a position to repeat." We are all medical students, we all have mountains of debt, you live on loans, you will repeat the year again living on loans. And finally, I dont care if you feel like the test didnt reflect what you learned, and I certainly dont care that the average was in the 70s. I am sure that 25% of the class did not fail, and even more sure that more than 10% of the class failed the remediation exam. You need to get ahold of yourself and focus on making some big changes to the way you study.
I suggest you reflect on the advice given in this thread.
I assume OP is a 1st year moving on to the 2nd year. He/she is on summer break and was taking the remediation exams at this time. Monday is when school starts back instead of being a 2nd year he will just start school with the new 1st years. Also this is great advice most schools will not charge tuition for the repeated year/coursework. Might just have to pay a continuation/general fee and living expensesWhat do you mean the repeat year starts Monday? That doesn't make sense. I promise you that arguing about the test not reflecting what you studied will not get you what you want. Talk to your school's financial aid office. My school did not charge for repeating the year. In other words, you'd pay for the month of classes you completed, but would not be charged for the remainder of the year. Next year, when you began as an MS 1, you'd pay for the whole year. So the only money you'd lose would be for the courses you already took that you'd have to retake now. It's chump change compared to the possibility of dismissal if you fail again. And just putting this out there, but if this remediation exam didn't reflect what you studied, what makes you sure the next one will?
Not sure if you've ever been in this situation but its a rough spot to be in, the normal response for most people is to fight and try their best to keep going. Luckily the committee will be more level headed and almost certainly make him/her repeat the year.
Just to verify, you can repeat the year even if you fail the re-remediation? You won't get dismissed?My school does charge for the repeat.
I’m going to politely ask for the chance to remediate again and if it doesn’t work I’ll repeat the year.
I’m going to fight to continue with my class but ultimately they get the final say and Im comfortable with rhat
I was just asking how to make the best case I can. If it doesn’t work I’ll figure out a way to get the money but it will suck.
Wait WHat!!! SO if you take the second remediation and fail it means you are open to be dismissed ??? Absolutely do not ask to take a second remediation OP please !!It would go to committee again.
I would be able to repeat in 2024 or be dismissed according to their wishes
So in speaking to the other Remediators, no one managed to pass by more than a single question. Some fell a few questions above others a few questions below.
There was a total of a 5 question spread between all test takers. This is after a mysterious curve was applied to the examination.
Hahahahaha, wish you luck buddy!This is an MD school.
Yes I would pay for a repeat year
No I’m not done if I fail the second repeat it goes back to committee
Even in this case I have to stand before a committee to make my case.
The answer to nearly everything at my school is it goes to the committee....
I haven't been in the same position, but have friends who have. I would definitely not repeat a year, what are guys smoking? I hear the remediation exams at my school are tough too, but it's worth a shot. Repeating a year probably won't help much for Step 1, you'll be more in debt, and one less year of attending salary. I'm going to have to go against the grain here.
But again, it's still not clear. Are they saying that if you remediate the exam, and fail, you'll be dunzo? Cause then you have no choice but to repeat.... that's not worth the risk.
Also, can I just say how much I love other users telling OP he won't be charged for tuition for the repeat year. Lol, I'm sure you know his school's policy. My school definitely charges. Is mother Theresa your dean? DO schools find every opportunity they can to make a buck.
I'm not sure if you read the other posts but OP failed the first remediation exam after studying for a month. We have no assurance he won't fail again but this time a dismissal from medical al school might be the outcome for his shortsightedness. Alot of school waive tuition for remediated classes so we offered OP to double check if his school does. You're comments are callous and really stu po I'd seeing how OP has so much to lose if he doesnt plays his cards carefullyI haven't been in the same position, but have friends who have. I would definitely not repeat a year, what are guys smoking? I hear the remediation exams at my school are tough too, but it's worth a shot. Repeating a year probably won't help much for Step 1, you'll be more in debt, and one less year of attending salary. I'm going to have to go against the grain here.
But again, it's still not clear. Are they saying that if you remediate the exam, and fail, you'll be dunzo? Cause then you have no choice but to repeat.... that's not worth the risk.
Also, can I just say how much I love other users telling OP he won't be charged for tuition for the repeat year. Lol, I'm sure you know his school's policy. My school definitely charges. Is mother Theresa your dean? DO schools find every opportunity they can to make a buck.
I don’t want to repeat any entire year over 4 test questions
The course director and the Dean both thought I should be able to re remediate.
And I made this thread asking for advice on how to make my case not to be told not to make it
But their peer who got 70.1% doesn’t really have a stronger mastery and isn’t having every their residency chances torpedoed
They both thought I should be able to but felt the committee may not agree.
They both thought the class was full of issues as was the examination.
I know that I’m not likely to be able to re remediate.
But ahain
This thread was made for advice for how to make the best case for that. Not how to be told that you personally don’t think I should be able to.
It would go to committee again.
I would be able to repeat in 2024 or be dismissed according to their wishes
But their peer who got 70.1% doesn’t really have a stronger mastery and isn’t having every their residency chances torpedoed
Your residency chances will not be torpedoed stop making up false narratives to fit your agenda. Sure you might not be a derm or ENT but most medical students dont even match into those fields. What you should be worrying about is becoming a doctor at all which is a real possibility. We are all saying this to you because of we all see how bad fo a decision this is.But their peer who got 70.1% doesn’t really have a stronger mastery and isn’t having every their residency chances torpedoed
@Mass Effect is an Attending Physician...look at his status...and his account is verified. I don't see the point of this thread cause you're obviously going to do what you want and not heed the advice that you've been given.I’m really sorry to hear that you were dismissed Mass Effect 🙁 That’s really ****ty! Were you able to eventually complete your training? You seem like a nice guy who didnt deserve that.
I actually tried to find some research on Repeat Years and Step 1 performance. It seems the body of literature is VERY limited, but nothing suggests that a Repeat Year really improves a student’s score.
Particularly when a repeat year is to fill in for a single class, rather than an entire year.
I really only ended up in the Remediation situation because I bombed a single test shortly after the same relative who died later that year was hospitalized with sepsis. He survived that incident but we were told that was a miracle.
I’ll admit in the intervening 8 body system blocks I forgot some of the basics and only had 3 weeks to review. I probably should have kept up with it a little better during the year, but I ended up having to travel a lot to see him, and ended up changing the timing of a final because the funeral was during a final exam.
@Mass Effect is an Attending Physician...look at his status...and his account is verified. I don't see the point of this thread cause you're obviously going to do what you want and not heed the advice that you've been given.
They both thought I should be able to but felt the committee may not agree.
They both thought the class was full of issues as was the examination.
I know that I’m not likely to be able to re remediate.
But ahain
This thread was made for advice for how to make the best case for that. Not how to be told that you personally don’t think I should be able to.
For Gawd's sake, stop thinking like a pre-med.So in speaking to the other Remediators, no one managed to pass by more than a single question. Some fell a few questions above others a few questions below.
There was a total of a 5 question spread between all test takers. This is after a mysterious curve was applied to the examination.
I’d bet a dollar that needing to remediate courses is strongly correlated with bad board performance, and more importantly your school admin clearly feels it doesYes. I am relatively confident that given more time, I would be able to prepare for the new Remediation Exam. I only had just over 3 weeks to study, and made a ton of progress. I feel just short of the goal, but I feel like I can meet their standard the next time through.
The commitee does take my opinion (along with other factors) into consideration. Ive drafted up a statement detailing how I plan to do better on the next exam and was asking what other things it would be helpful to include.
While I can complain about the test here, and state that other people felt the same, trust me when I say I am leaving that part out of it in my statement to the committee.
I am focused on steps I am taking to succeed in the future, and I am focused on assessing some of where my study skills feel short, as well as addressing anxiety and grief. You guys can say that blaming losing a relative who is like a second father to me is “blaming factors outside myself” but it did have a large impact on me. I admit in my statement I underestimate the impact it had on me, because studying for the same assignments weekly with friends in my class in another part of the country was entirely different than studying on my own in my home town where he used to live. I thought I figured out how to study through that grief but was wrong and took steps to address that.
You can all pretend that testing anxiety may not mask actual understanding of content on the day, but none of that is quite true. I hope that by addressing these things the committee can be convinced to let me try again.
In reality I performed poorly on a Remediation MCQ. But that’s a pretty ****ty metric of how ready for Boards I am.