Repeating A year

[ItsGavinC]

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.....Obviously, the dictionary statement is a weak excuse for the admitted tasteless statement, and any attempt to redirect blame on those offended is counterproductive.

Nothing tasteless about it. It was placed there for a purpose, and as I suspected, everybody ignored the racial slur about caucasians and focused on a word that they *thought* was a racial slur against blacks, but in actuality has nothing to do with race.

Racism sure seems to generally work one way in our country.

 

[lnn2]

A little "bitch" here and there is good for health. 😀

Really!
So, ummmh, wanna be my little b? 😉 it's "good for heath" 🙂

 

[lnn2]

bitch ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bch)
n.
A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing.

I knew it all along! bitch was not a bad word. I met this girl and she was so overbearing. I didn't really like it so I called her a bitch! She was very mad for some reasons! Maybe you could talk to her for me, help a brother out!
Take care and GOD bless.

 

[grant555]

Nothing tasteless about it. It was placed there for a purpose, and as I suspected, everybody ignored the racial slur about caucasians and focused on a word that they *thought* was a racial slur against blacks, but in actuality has nothing to do with race.

Racism sure seems to generally work one way in our country.

Nope, racism works both ways. Just ask those who make the reverse racism argument. However, you are correct. The "cracker" statement is out of line, but using your vocabulary only ignited the situation.

The most troublesome thing about these posts is not that we are discussing race or other sensitive issues of the day. Everyone on this forum has an uncanny amount of time and money invested in education, and if we can't have these discussions, who can? The disappointing circumstances are how poorly structured these arguments are on either side of the field.

For example, the book "Black Like Me," uses the "n" word and many variations of it throughout the novel, but in a much different context than I have seen both whites and blacks readily dispell it. Usage has just as much invested in understanding as does meaning of a word.

Moreover, the book suggests the moral response to racism, and I quote, A lot of people I've talked to think we've turned the cheek too long," You can't get around what's right, though....When we stop loving them, that's when they win. Then they'll have ruined our race for sure. They'll have dragged us down plumb to the bottom.

The beauty of the author's words is that it really doesn't matter what color the person is who is speaking, but that the ramafacations hold true nonetheless. Sadly, hatred and racism work much in the same way. Take care and GOD bless.

 

[grant555]

I knew it all along! bitch was not a bad word. I met this girl and she was so overbearing. I didn't really like it so I called her a bitch! She was very mad for some reasons! Maybe you could talk to her for me, help a brother out!
Take care and GOD bless.

 

[ItsGavinC]

Good statements in post #54, Grant. Well put!

 

[predentchick]

Really!
So, ummmh, wanna be my little b? 😉 it's "good for heath" 🙂

I dunno Mr. Oral Fixation. I'll have to get back to ya on that one! 😀

 

[HITMAN]

Despite doing fine academically, I found several aspects of D1 & D2 extremely difficult, and to see you so glibly & habitually imply that anyone who doesn't breeze through dental school is somehow intellectually deficient frankly offends the hell out of me.

Well we wouldn't want that to happen, now would we? Relax, don't let it ruin your day.

 

[toofache32]

While we're at it, I should apologize for my "cracker" comment for anyone who was offended. As a whitey, I've been affectionately referred to as the "cracker" on my hospital team this past month because everyone else was asian, hispanic or middle-eastern. We all joked that I was finally the "minority".

I guess I related an "inside" joke to people here who weren't necessarily on the "inside".

 

[aphistis]

That's not at all what I'm claiming. In fact, my basic premise is the exact oppposite. I've seen very good students get befuddled time and time again in sim lab--work that is excellent and perfectly acceptable getting low grades.

I think dental school at times *makes* students feel intellectually deficient, when in fact they aren't. It's this aspect of dental school that needs to change the most (remember those posts by the old guys on DentalTown recounting their terrors in school)?

I think too much of many curriculums (although I can't speak for any other school) is subjective, which is unfortuante. Granted, I can't think of a better way around many of the grading problems, so I'm at a dead-end on that issue.

Good points all, but completely incompatible with your previous post.

I don't mean to belabor the point, but I always chuckle at those who claim that dental school is difficult. It simply isn't. Time consuming? Perhaps. A pain in the arse? Yes, quite possibly. Difficult? Not at all. The material isn't hard and practice makes perfect with clinical procedures. It seems as though who claim dental school to be difficult, believe that doing so makes them more worthy individuals.

A few of the more salient inconsistencies:

1) "I've seen very good students get befuddled time and time again in sim lab--work that is excellent and perfectly acceptable getting low grades," vs. "I don't mean to belabor the point, but I always chuckle at those who claim that dental school is difficult. It simply isn't." (Are unrealistic expectations the problem, or are the students just inadequate?)

2) "I think dental school at times *makes* students feel intellectually deficient, when in fact they aren't," vs. "It seems as though who claim dental school to be difficult, believe that doing so makes them more worthy individuals." (Are oppressive academic demands to blame, or are students just sanctimonious whiners?)

3. "I think too much of many curriculums (although I can't speak for any other school) is subjective, which is unfortunate," vs. "I'm also curious as to how you see didactic coursework, or simulation lab coursework relating to actually placing a direct restoration in a patient. I see minimal relation in those activities." (Are grading procedures the problem, or the fundamental content of dental school curricula?)

I'll gladly listen to any efforts you want to make toward reconciling these glaring contradictions, but frankly I'm not convinced it's even possible.

 

[ItsGavinC]

I'll gladly listen to any efforts you want to make toward reconciling these glaring contradictions, but frankly I'm not convinced it's even possible.

Then I won't even try, and I'll let you end your evening on a high note. We can ignore the fact that everything you quote isn't mutually exclusive, although you'd sure like it to be, and that the items in parathenses (that you claim to be contradictions) are your interpretations, not mine. 🙂

 

[DDSSlave]

I don't mean to belabor the point, but I always chuckle at those who claim that dental school is difficult. It simply isn't. Time consuming? Perhaps. A pain in the arse? Yes, quite possibly. Difficult? Not at all. The material isn't hard and practice makes perfect with clinical procedures. It seems as though who claim dental school to be difficult, believe that doing so makes them more worthy individuals. For better or for worse, my personal view of myself doesn't hinge upon my degrees, nor will it ever. I know you feel the same about that.

Have to disagree here. Dental school is hard any way you slice it. Even if you took out preclinic and clinic, the didactic work is very difficult. The bottom line is, I study a lot more now than it college. True it's mainly memorization rather than interpreting complex math or philosophy, but it takes a lot longer to learn the material. I'm not comparing it to getting a PhD in physics or an oral surgery residency, but it's still hard. Do most AZ students feel the same way you do? I imagine we ultimately experience dental school the same way, putting in several long nights before a pharm or path exam and at least a solid night into the numerous other classes (endo, perio, etc). I guess we just interpret it differently. For me having 2-3 exams most weeks plus other stuff makes it tough.

 

[ItsGavinC]

Have to disagree here. Dental school is hard any way you slice it. Even if you took out preclinic and clinic, the didactic work is very difficult.... I guess we just interpret it differently. For me having 2-3 exams most weeks plus other stuff makes it tough.

I think you hit the nail on the head. We all interpret experiences differently. My dental school experience is, truthfully, probably half as difficult as my undergraduate experience. In many aspects it's been a cakewalk, full of relaxing time and great memories with classmates and professors.

I can't speak for my classmates, but I'm sure many of them would feel the same way. Certainly others would feel opposite. To each his own in that regard.

 

[Bickle]

I think you hit the nail on the head. We all interpret experiences differently. My dental school experience is, truthfully, probably half as difficult as my undergraduate experience. In many aspects it's been a cakewalk, full of relaxing time and great memories with classmates and professors.

I can't speak for my classmates, but I'm sure many of them would feel the same way. Certainly others would feel opposite. To each his own in that regard.

A cakewalk? Are you serious??? I cant speak for Zona, but at Tufts, my first year has been both time consuming, and many times very challenging. I've never worked this hard before at school , and the rest of my class seems to feel the same way. And to top it off, our 2nd year is supposed to be even more grueling than our first.

I guess there must be a difference in the education offered at a dental school that has been around for 153 years versus a school that hasnt hit its 5th birthday yet. 😉

 

[aphistis]

Then I won't even try, and I'll let you end your evening on a high note. We can ignore the fact that everything you quote isn't mutually exclusive, although you'd sure like it to be, and that the items in parathenses (that you claim to be contradictions) are your interpretations, not mine. 🙂

They don't *have* to be mutually exclusive, or even necessarily interpreted correctly; all they have to do is demonstrate that you're trying to change your tune halfway through the song, which I think they do more than adequately.

Regardless, looking at several of your recent responses to other posts, it looks like you've backed off your previous "dental school is categorically not difficult" stance and replaced it with "dental school's difficulty varies with the individual." You haven't explicitly changed your opinion, but I'll content myself with seeing it in application. 😉

 

[ItsGavinC]

I guess there must be a difference in the education offered at a dental school that has been around for 153 years versus a school that hasnt hit its 5th birthday yet. 😉

Of course there is. You guys are bound by tradition and we're just, well, bound.
🙂

 

[I AM SARA]

I have a hard time with this issue. I think dental school and undergrad are on two different planets. The people who "don't do well" obviously interviewed well and did good in undergrad (and probably got lucky on the DAT). But for some reason they can't make it in dental school. I personally think that if they can't cut it (grade wise), then they shouldn't be sticking needles in people's faces PLUS making decisions on their healthcare.

hey come on now. Dentistry is not brain surgery. Also, if hygenists can do it then we all know its not that hard.

 

[I AM SARA]

Of course there is. You guys are bound by tradition and we're just, well, bound.
🙂

not really cause the professors are experienced.

 

[I AM SARA]

They don't *have* to be mutually exclusive, or even necessarily interpreted correctly; all they have to do is demonstrate that you're trying to change your tune halfway through the song, which I think they do more than adequately.

Regardless, looking at several of your recent responses to other posts, it looks like you've backed off your previous "dental school is categorically not difficult" stance and replaced it with "dental school's difficulty varies with the individual." You haven't explicitly changed your opinion, but I'll content myself with seeing it in application. 😉

Gavin ate you up and spit you out!

haha

I agree.

 

[unlvdmd]

hey come on now. Dentistry is not brain surgery. Also, if hygenists can do it then we all know its not that hard.

Wow. What an incredibly bold and DUMB statment. Before you start making claims like that, why don't you step foot into dental school AS A STUDENT. But you obviously know a lot about dentistry if you think hygienists and dentists do the same thing, so I guess I'll back down.

 

[I AM SARA]

Wow. What an incredibly bold and DUMB statment. Before you start making claims like that, why don't you step foot into dental school AS A STUDENT. But you obviously know a lot about dentistry if you think hygienists and dentists do the same thing, so I guess I'll back down.

good thing. my parents are drs. my sister is a hygenist.

You take a closer look at what they do buddy I dont have to take that from you.

Who cares anyway. %#$%$#^

 

[unlvdmd]

no comment back to your stupidity. not worth my time. I need to go study for my "hygiene finals."

 

[lnn2]

hey come on now. Dentistry is not brain surgery.

You're right! I'm glad dentistry is not brain surgery. Can you imagine me cutting open your skull with a drill?!

my parents are drs.

Right! and I'm the next president of usa!

if hygenists can do it then we all know its not that hard.......my sister is a hygenist.

So I guess that your sister is not the sharpest tool in the shed?! btw, it's hygIenist!

CLUELESS!

 

[predentchick]

hey come on now. Dentistry is not brain surgery. Also, if hygenists can do it then we all know its not that hard.

Don't expect any support from me with all the "female stereotyping" that has been said. You are the most annoying bitch I have ever had the displeasure of coming across. Get over yourself.

 

[Bickle]

Of course there is. You guys are bound by tradition and we're just, well, bound.
🙂

If your talking about the tradition of producing clinically superior dentists year after year, then yes your right.

😎

 

[ItsGavinC]

The name calling is getting a little thick in here. I'm closing this down, but if there is interest in continuing the topic, feel free to start a fresh thread. Thks.