Residency or retail???

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Deja said:
the other poster started calling SHC names, which as you can imagine, SHC did not hold back lol now the argument is why the other poster wasn't banned and only SHC was... I say the mod who banned SHC should stand up and explain him/herself! hahahahahaha
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Or stand up so they can get a pat on the back
 
I agree actually. He/She who swings the ban hammer should be outed for the sake of transparency.

Interestingly, I once threatened to drive to somewhere and chop off a dental student's balls with a pair of hedge clippers and didn't get banned. So I got that.
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
I get about $50k more a year working retail than I did working in a hospital. If you go from $87k to $138k, when someone tells you that its "about the same" you gotta chuckle a tad. Granted, I only got $41.88 back in 2009...which from what I understand is total crap...but that's my experience.
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I get paid barely more than that as a specialist now, but I work at a big name hospital. When I was looking for jobs it seemed like the big names pay a lot less than other hospitals (even if the other hospitals are better) just because they know they can get away with it.

I love my job, but there's definitely just as much stress as when I was in retail. It's just different stress. I keep granola bars and other snacks nearby because I know I frequently won't eat lunch until late afternoon or when I get home. Staying late is a standard. I'm terrified of making a mistake because I work with chemo (but probably would be with any other medications too). Despite that, I love what I do and right now can't imagine doing any other job.
 
I have been saying this for years.

10 years as a Hospital Pharmacist to Retail --> Yes

10 years as a Retail Pharmacist to Hospital --> Extremely hard.
 
At midyear, I tried to talk and apply to Wag's residency...they looked at me funny.
I also tried to apply for a PGY1..and they looked at me funny...so I tried to recruit their PGY2... they were like WTF... who are these guys!

Heh..:meanie:
 
kwakster928 said:
I have been saying this for years.

10 years as a Hospital Pharmacist to Retail --> Yes

10 years as a Retail Pharmacist to Hospital --> Extremely hard.
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Not true anymore. At all. CVS has interns every year they can't hire now. If you are away from retail that long, it will be tough finding a job. Don't fool yourself into thinking you can always have that fallback.
 
Get ****in real mikey...any yoohoo can get a retail job....and after being stuck in retail you aint going to get hired into a clinical role. Take your goddamn cvs glasses off...you're starting sound like rxnupe and its quite pathetic.
 
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Its Z said:
Get ****in real mikey...any yoohoo can get a retail job....and after being stuck in retail you aint going to get hired into a clinical role. Take your goddamn cvs glasses off...you're starting aound like rxnupe and its quite pathetic.
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Do you read this forum? You can get a retail job in BFE, but you can't in any population center unless you are a new grad intern or are from another retail company with quality experience. My boss gets resumes every day from people coming from all sorts of practices. He just hits the delete button if the person only has hospital experience. Ask Old Timer, I'm sure he's been told the same. You think he's going to hire some guy that's been in the basement of the local hospital for a decade when he can't even hire some of his interns with 4 years of direct experience in the system?

Gimme a break, you aren't that special.
 
I never said I was special.

Your reasoning is faulty at best. If its that difficult to get a job at cvs in non bfe locale its 10x more difficult to land a hospital position in the same area. **** cvs. The dood stuck in the basement of a hospital can easily pick up a retail gig here and there compared to a 10 year retail geezer can at a hospital. You deny this truth....you're very "SPECIAL."
 
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And I may not be special..and I dont need to ask oldtimer..but I have hit the delete button more than 20 times past 2 weeks for a per diem position...all from local retail joints including cvs walmart wags safeway riteaid and target....guess who I hired...local pharmacist with hospital experience.
 
Its Z said:
And I may not be special..and I dont need to ask oldtimer..but I have hit the delete button more than 20 times past 2 weeks for a per diem position...all from local retail joints including cvs walmart wags safeway riteaid and target....guess who I hired...local pharmacist with hospital experience.
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Would you hire someone with am care experience?
 
npage148 said:
He's special alright, what kind of person goes to midyear and f's around with residencies directors like he's some hot shot (in his own mind)
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Something most yall can't pull off.:meanie:
Too bad your feeble mind can't see the humor in it.
 
Its Z said:
I never said I was special.

Your reasoning is faulty at best. If its that difficult to get a job at cvs in non bfe locale its 10x more difficult to land a hospital position in the same area. **** cvs. The dood stuck in the basement of a hospital can easily pick up a retail gig here and there compared to a 10 year retail geezer can at a hospital. You deny this truth....you're very "SPECIAL."
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No, tardo, I'm saying that the job market is **** and that Pharmacy Supervisors can be very selective now. Sure, you can become a minimum competency retail pharmacist after a few weeks on the job, but that's irrelevant right now. When you have people with 4 years of interning experience that you CAN'T bring on, even though you would if you could...why would you even look at the resume of a clinical person? In house graduate interns can be plugged in and function at the highest level immediately. To learn all of the little things coming from another practice area takes time. Especially the intricacies of insurance billing.

And let's be honest...going from retail to hospital isn't as difficult as people make it out to be, either. A few months and you're fine. I saw it all the time back in 2003-2004 when I worked in a hospital. They'd come in, they'd be useless for a few months...then after some acclimation, they were just fine. Off the top of my head, there are 2 former CVS pharmacists with no clinical experience hired when I was there (one of which is now the clinical director there), one came from a local independent, and one came from Spiriva land. All of them are still there and all of them were acclimated within a few months. Yo' get the occasional idiot that couldn't do it, but they were removed from their position. The difference between now and then is NEED. They couldn't do that today because the market is tight. But you clinical nuts need to realize that in such a market, its a two way street. I guarantee you that if it was like the early to mid aughts again, these hospital positions would all of a sudden be "fine" with a retail pharm with some on the job training.

But, look, I'm just trying to warn you. With all of these schools opening...and the economy still shaky...If you think it will be as easy as calling CVS and walking into the nearest CVS and starting to work, you will be wrong. Pharmacists in major metros just are not in demand at all. Believe whatever you want to believe.
 
What a silly argument. Retail and community pharmacies employ more pharmacists as a whole than any other field. If you criteria for defining a "job" is anyone who's in the company system and works once a month, then on a pure numbers basis it's easier to land a retail "job".

Now define "job" as those who staff full-time at their own store and you'll find much fewer hospital to retail transfers who fit the description.
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
No, tardo, I'm saying that the job market is **** and that Pharmacy Supervisors can be very selective now. Sure, you can become a minimum competency retail pharmacist after a few weeks on the job, but that's irrelevant right now. When you have people with 4 years of interning experience that you CAN'T bring on, even though you would if you could...why would you even look at the resume of a clinical person? In house graduate interns can be plugged in and function at the highest level immediately. To learn all of the little things coming from another practice area takes time. Especially the intricacies of insurance billing.

And let's be honest...going from retail to hospital isn't as difficult as people make it out to be, either. A few months and you're fine. I saw it all the time back in 2003-2004 when I worked in a hospital. They'd come in, they'd be useless for a few months...then after some acclimation, they were just fine. Off the top of my head, there are 2 former CVS pharmacists with no clinical experience hired when I was there (one of which is now the clinical director there), one came from a local independent, and one came from Spiriva land. All of them are still there and all of them were acclimated within a few months. Yo' get the occasional idiot that couldn't do it, but they were removed from their position. The difference between now and then is NEED. They couldn't do that today because the market is tight. But you clinical nuts need to realize that in such a market, its a two way street. I guarantee you that if it was like the early to mid aughts again, these hospital positions would all of a sudden be "fine" with a retail pharm with some on the job training.

But, look, I'm just trying to warn you. With all of these schools opening...and the economy still shaky...If you think it will be as easy as calling CVS and walking into the nearest CVS and starting to work, you will be wrong. Pharmacists in major metros just are not in demand at all. Believe whatever you want to believe.
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tldr....keep it to 1 paragraph and I might read
 
^^ WVU is basically saying retail is very competitive now because there's no job even for the company's interns.
 
Its Z said:
And I may not be special..and I dont need to ask oldtimer..but I have hit the delete button more than 20 times past 2 weeks for a per diem position...all from local retail joints including cvs walmart wags safeway riteaid and target....guess who I hired...local pharmacist with hospital experience.
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Ok...this makes sense. But I don't see how my position and your's is mutually exclusive. You don't think a retail supervisor would do the same thing vis-a-vis people with retail experience and those without?
 
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Rockinacoustic said:
What a silly argument. Retail and community pharmacies employ more pharmacists as a whole than any other field. If you criteria for defining a "job" is anyone who's in the company system and works once a month, then on a pure numbers basis it's easier to land a retail "job".

Now define "job" as those who staff full-time at their own store and you'll find much fewer hospital to retail transfers who fit the description.
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Exactly.

Though I actually happen to be an example of one. But, hey, I'm special. 🙄
 
WVU: there's no job in retail! Not even for interns

Z: I deleted many resumes from retails all day, every day

WVU: There's no job alright!

Z: retail druggists..
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
Ok...this makes sense. But I don't see how my position and your's is mutually exclusive. You don't think a retail supervisor would do the same thing vis-a-vis people with retail experience and those without?
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1 paragraph! Nice!

You miss the point. Tight job market or not, hospital to retail transition is much more feasible than retail to hospital transition.
 
Its Z said:
1 paragraph! Nice!

You miss the point. Tight job market or not, hospital to retail transition is much more feasible than retail to hospital transition.
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Here's the pecking order in retails: experienced and motivated retail pharmacists > retail interns > hospital pharmacists.

If the interns can't get a job, what make you think the hospital pharmacists will? We are not talking about training. We are talking about landing a job.

And you call yourself an SC graduate.
 
Its Z said:
1 paragraph! Nice!

You miss the point. Tight job market or not, hospital to retail transition is much more feasible than retail to hospital transition.
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More feasible. Sure. And its probably more feasible that I'd win the Powerball jackpot than I'd get to bang Mila Kunis. But if both situations are pretty difficult to obtain...does the relative feasibility really matter? Neither will happen.

Therein lies my point. Getting a full-time retail job right now anywhere other than McAllen, Texas or similar will be tough for a clinical pharmacist. THEREFORE...I wouldn't count on saying that retail is always going to be there as a fallback.
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
More feasible. Sure. And its probably more feasible that I'd win the Powerball jackpot than I'd get to bang Mila Kunis. But if both situations are pretty difficult to obtain...does the relative feasibility really matter? Neither will happen.

Therein lies my point. Getting a full-time retail job right now anywhere other than McAllen, Texas or similar will be tough for a clinical pharmacist. THEREFORE...I wouldn't count on saying that retail is always going to be there as a fallback.
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Who says retail is a fallback?
 
Oh...and it probably million times more feasible for a hospital pharmacist to get a retail job than you banging Mila Kunis or winning the powerball.


Hth.
 
Its Z said:
Oh...and it probably million times more feasible for a hospital pharmacist to get a retail job than you banging Mila Kunis or winning the powerball.


Hth.
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I'd be more likely to be named the Dean of the WVU School of Pharmacy tomorrow.
 
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Its Z said:
Tight job market or not, hospital to retail transition is much more feasible than retail to hospital transition.
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Yeah a hospital pharmacist could land a job in retail, but the real test is whether they survive. If you are a whiny bitch or think you're too good for retail, then they will probably eat you alive. It takes a certain attitude to put up with the stresses of retail.

"No lunch break?? I have to stand all day?? Screw that, I'm quitting!"

"lisinopril 10mg bid?? There's no evidence for that! I'm calling this quack to chew his ass out!"

"Why do I have to wait so long to get a flu shot!!! The sign says no appointments!!! I'm going to sue you if I catch the flu!!" [when you have a line of people waiting to the other end of the store, drive-thru packed, and your hands are shaking from hypoglycemia from not eating anything for 8 hours.]

"You are not scanning enough loyalty cards. You're fired!"
 
pezdispenser said:
Yeah a hospital pharmacist could land a job in retail, but the real test is whether they survive. If you are a whiny bitch or think you're too good for retail, then they will probably eat you alive. It takes a certain attitude to put up with the stresses of retail.

"No lunch break?? I have to stand all day?? Screw that, I'm quitting!"
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Whiny bitch...because I consider my self a professional and expect to treated with a certain level of respect by my employer...ha! There is nothing noble about letting your employer treat you like a piece of Sh**, it just means you're a tool...👍

I work per diem retail from time to time and it is barely worth the extra money. I will keep my breaks, office, and level respect given to any of the consulting clinicians at the hospital...
 
PumpkinSmasher said:
Whiny bitch...because I consider my self a professional and expect to treated with a certain level of respect by my employer...ha! There is nothing noble about letting your employer treat you like a piece of Sh**, it just means you're a tool...👍

I work per diem retail from time to time and it is barely worth the extra money. I will keep my breaks, office, and level respect given to any of the consulting clinicians at the hospital...
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I get a lunch...the computers go down at 3AM for 20-30 minutes every night...its lunch time whether I want it to be or not...my pharmacy morphs into giant cubicle/office when I put the gates down...
 
PumpkinSmasher said:
Whiny bitch...because I consider my self a professional and expect to treated with a certain level of respect by my employer...ha! There is nothing noble about letting your employer treat you like a piece of Sh**, it just means you're a tool...👍

I work per diem retail from time to time and it is barely worth the extra money. I will keep my breaks, office, and level respect given to any of the consulting clinicians at the hospital...
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Lol wth? Not sure the point of ur post, but u just proved his point that u can't handle retail full time...
 
Well, not to add oil to flame,but guess I have to. Finally got approval to replace the PRN pharmacists we lost during the transition. I hired the clinical coordinator from a near by hospital (I worked with him on antibiogram earlier). Sorry, retail and even experienced pharmacist was knocked out. Depending on your geographical location, its tough out there.
 
xiphoid2010 said:
Well, not to add oil to flame,but guess I have to. Finally got approval to replace the PRN pharmacists we lost during the transition. I hired the clinical coordinator from a near by hospital (I worked with him on antibiogram earlier). Sorry, retail and even experienced pharmacist was knocked out. Depending on your geographical location, its tough out there.
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wait a clinical coordinator took a PRN job? why?

Saturation happens not b/c of the new grads but b/c all the damn money hungry pharmacist holding 2 jobs hahahaha just kidding... but seriously tho, seems like everyone on here have a prn job on the side, wth, I would want to relax and enjoy myself on my day off instead of getting another job.... people concentrate on work too much lol
 
pezdispenser said:
Yeah a hospital pharmacist could land a job in retail, but the real test is whether they survive. If you are a whiny bitch or think you're too good for retail, then they will probably eat you alive. It takes a certain attitude to put up with the stresses of retail.

"No lunch break?? I have to stand all day?? Screw that, I'm quitting!"
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That first quote sounds like my days. And I don't bring food to my clinic with me so I can't even eat while I work. I feel like it would just be mean to eat within sight of patients getting drugs that are likely to make them sick. Replace the other quotes with things about the computer system/Pyxis/barcode scanners not working, patients getting verbally abusive toward the nurses (leading to phone calls of "please get the drug here so I can get him out of here"), etc and you have similar stresses. And I don't even deal with medications for emergency situations on a regular basis. I'm not doubting retail is stressful... I know it is. I'm just saying the hospital world isn't necessarily less stressful. It's just different stress. Find the job where you can manage it and actually enjoy what you're doing and the stress isn't so bad.
 
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Deja said:
wait a clinical coordinator took a PRN job? why?

Saturation happens not b/c of the new grads but b/c all the damn money hungry pharmacist holding 2 jobs hahahaha just kidding... but seriously tho, seems like everyone on here have a prn job on the side, wth, I would want to relax and enjoy myself on my day off instead of getting another job.... people concentrate on work too much lol
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Haha..that's my plan though, 4 x 10's at one place, prn at another place and pick up random shifts. I'll end up doing 5 x 10 and still have a weekend, if you like what you're doing, an extra 2hrs is fine.

If I can transition into a mgmt gig earlier even better...been doing strategic planning and budget stuff and i get a kick out of it, i must be a weird one :meanie:
 
The thing about PRN job is that if they need to cut someone, the PRN guy is the first to go. They actually don't need to "cut" you, they just don't give you any hours.
 
BMBiology said:
The thing about PRN job is that if they need to cut someone, the PRN guy is the first to go. They actually don't need to "cut" you, they just don't give you any hours.
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Yup, there is a PRN guy at my hospital who got into an argument with the director. Only day he worked last year was Christmas.
 
BMBiology said:
The thing about PRN job is that if they need to cut someone, the PRN guy is the first to go. They actually don't need to "cut" you, they just don't give you any hours.
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Conversely it makes you easier to hire...it's easier to hide a few hours here and there (like 0.2 FTE or something) in a budget.

Make yourself indispensable and hope you get lucky with an opening or budget increase.

Worth the risk, IMO depending on the institution.

But if it's a PRN job on top of your normal 40hrs/week and you NEED that income from the PRN, it's time to reevaluate your whole financial situation.
 
wucool33 said:
Lol wth? Not sure the point of ur post, but u just proved his point that u can't handle retail full time...
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The point is pretty simple. There is nothing bitchy about requiring that your employer treat you as a healthcare professional and show you a little respect. But there is something bitchy about letting your employer treat you like crap and not allowing you the resources and time to be a pharmacist.

Simple enough for you? If not, my suggestion would be that you read slower.😉
 
The fact that you are PRN already means you are dispensable
 
PumpkinSmasher said:
The point is pretty simple. There is nothing bitchy about requiring that your employer treat you as a healthcare professional and show you a little respect. But there is something bitchy about letting your employer treat you like crap and not allowing you the resources and time to be a pharmacist.

Simple enough for you? If not, my suggestion would be that you read slower.😉
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thats not the point, the point is with the current situation, retail is what it is, your comment still shows that you can't handle it full time lol if you want to discuss about respect, then that's another topic in itself...
 
PumpkinSmasher said:
The point is pretty simple. There is nothing bitchy about requiring that your employer treat you as a healthcare professional and show you a little respect. But there is something bitchy about letting your employer treat you like crap and not allowing you the resources and time to be a pharmacist.

Simple enough for you? If not, my suggestion would be that you read slower.😉
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Read Deja's response. And my suggestion for you is to read slower and actually understand what you are rambling about before posting.
 
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