Retail pharmacists: an endangered species?

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70% of the jobs are in retail or retail like but pharmacy schools are telling their students that retail is the armpit of pharmacy and rightly so. However, that doesn't mean pharmacy schools shouldn't prepare their students for retail. It is still the bread and butter of the profession.

You have to realize that most professors don't have retail experience. Hell, they don't even have real pharmacist experience. The hospital is not paying them to round with the medical team. The students are paying them with their tuition so they get to work as a "clinician". That is where the dishonesty come in. They don't tell their students the truth. They don't tell them they are just a volunteer and they can't bill for their clinical work.

Students eat all of this crap up, every little detail. Well you know what? Why would you listen to someone who has never practiced pharmacy?


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Look I love my techs, but they are there to do the basics and keep the pharmacy running smoothly. The average tech makes a mistake 4 to 5% of the time. This is considered standard at Walgreens. If you allow them to verify and review they will again make a mistake 4 to 5% of the time. After doing 150,0000 scripts a year that comes to 240 to 375 mistakes a year. That's over one per day!!! Now I will add that most mistakes are simply missing refills, md, date, or typing the directions in a way you don't like which won't harm the patient but a good 25% of those mistakes are going to involve wrong drug and directions.

Some will say a computer can do the pharmacists job but please remember a computer can also look at labs and do the job of an md.
 
Look I love my techs, but they are there to do the basics and keep the pharmacy running smoothly. The average tech makes a mistake 4 to 5% of the time. This is considered standard at Walgreens. If you allow them to verify and review they will again make a mistake 4 to 5% of the time. After doing 150,0000 scripts a year that comes to 240 to 375 mistakes a year. That's over one per day!!! Now I will add that most mistakes are simply missing refills, md, date, or typing the directions in a way you don't like which won't harm the patient but a good 25% of those mistakes are going to involve wrong drug and directions.

Some will say a computer can do the pharmacists job but please remember a computer can also look at labs and do the job of an md.
Medicine isn't just about looking at labs...
 
Some will say a computer can do the pharmacists job but please remember a computer can also look at labs and do the job of an md.

A computer can do all of our jobs (I mean MOST fields.... besides things like maybe cooking) better than a human. But you can't really bring a lawsuit on a computer, can you? Just the creators, and they have a limit on culpability/financial assets. One of the reasons to keep all of these roles around for scapegoating purposes if something hits the fan.
 
If retail pharmacists are endangered, the rest of us are in real trouble. Imagine trying to compete with the hoards of new graduates without the retail jobs to thin the herd.

You know, I really love most of my techs, but they do not have the knowledge or the reverence to do the job of a pharmacist. People look down on dispensing, but that is the moment where the rubber hits the road. You have to be 100% accurate. A small error can lead to huge repercussions. You don't give that responsibility to someone without the education and the training to understand the what they are doing and why they are doing it. Not to mention the time, effort, and cost to become a pharmacist is such that you have a real incentive to cover your ass and do it right for your own sake as well as the patient's.

A computer can do all of our jobs (I mean MOST fields.... besides things like maybe cooking) better than a human. But you can't really bring a lawsuit on a computer, can you? Just the creators, and they have a limit on culpability/financial assets. One of the reasons to keep all of these roles around for scapegoating purposes if something hits the fan.

That's why programs like DoseEdge will clearly state they are not intended to replace the judgement of a pharmacist. Good thing too, because there are always errors in the system.

Edit: actually read the article and he's not wrong
 
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Looking at labs is all a doctor does?
You really are clueless about medicine and the non retail, clinical pharmacy roles...

Please explain what a family doctor does with EVERY PATIENT when they come in. If you think they do anything other then look at a couple values then give them the same script they've been on for the past five years then you are clueless.

Yes there are patients that involve more but your typical patient does not need to see their md more then once a year, a pharmacist can do the rest.
 
I'm trying to study for the MCATs and become an MD myself but I do agree with Corpseman somewhat....many family doctors do in fact just look at labs and then write the same scripts. Some don't even look at anything. "z-pak and prometh dm" out the whazoo. It's probably this reason that primary care has for the major part been taken over by NPs and PAs. Yes, the higher echelon of medicine requires much more in depth understanding and clinical decisions but I feel in the primary setting, and even in some higher settings, it's just about following guidelines.....like a monkey would. Pharmacists, too, just verify scripts...like a computer would.

These days there's very little variation since going against accepted guidelines means more liability. So these situations are more common in more acute settings, more serious disease states, and such and for those situations----yes clinical experience and knowledge do matter.

But for everything else...everyone these days (pharmacists, NPs, PAs, and MDs) are just following scripted guidelines and protocols.
 
I'm trying to study for the MCATs and become an MD myself but I do agree with Corpseman somewhat....many family doctors do in fact just look at labs and then write the same scripts. Some don't even look at anything. "z-pak and prometh dm" out the whazoo. It's probably this reason that primary care has for the major part been taken over by NPs and PAs. Yes, the higher echelon of medicine requires much more in depth understanding and clinical decisions but I feel in the primary setting, and even in some higher settings, it's just about following guidelines.....like a monkey would. Pharmacists, too, just verify scripts...like a computer would.

These days there's very little variation since going against accepted guidelines means more liability. So these situations are more common in more acute settings, more serious disease states, and such and for those situations----yes clinical experience and knowledge do matter.

But for everything else...everyone these days (pharmacists, NPs, PAs, and MDs) are just following scripted guidelines and protocols.

This is basically what I mean just in far fewer words.
 
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"Pure clinical" and academia are just two sides of the same ivory tower circle. Both perpetuate a fantasy career for people who can't cut it on the bench while drawing attention and resources away from real problems affecting the profession.
 
Good luck with expanded tech roles when your current techs (whom you want to terminate) don't even know how to read, don't learn from experience, and type 10 wpm
This is what is so frustrating, the average retail store competes with burger king for empolyees - great tehs are worth their weight in gold, and the good ones leave for better jobs.
 
A computer can do all of our jobs (I mean MOST fields.... besides things like maybe cooking) better than a human. But you can't really bring a lawsuit on a computer, can you? Just the creators, and they have a limit on culpability/financial assets. One of the reasons to keep all of these roles around for scapegoating purposes if something hits the fan.
Huh?!
 
Just saw this on a job post site:

"This is a project based position servicing retail stores with clinical and data reviews of scanned prescription images. These reviews are typically timed, for example: review of 4 prescription scans per minute.

The position is an independent role with no interaction with patients or physicians. "

Is thia what pharmacy is coming to? Review someone's script in 15 seconds?!



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Quick! Someone tell that guy who wants a job where you never have to speak to anyone!
 
Even retail pharmacies are adding basic clinical services these days.
 
Just saw this on a job post site:

"This is a project based position servicing retail stores with clinical and data reviews of scanned prescription images. These reviews are typically timed, for example: review of 4 prescription scans per minute.

The position is an independent role with no interaction with patients or physicians. "

Is thia what pharmacy is coming to? Review someone's script in 15 seconds?!



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I've seen pharmacists verify new scripts in like 5 seconds. We aren't talking about refills or something but new scripts.
 
Yeah and speaking of retail clinical stuff, is anyone using QuiPP yet? Thoughts?


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