Rfk confirmed as HHS secretary and has said he plans to cut CMS physician payments. Are procedural subspecialists about to get hosed?

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“Rfk jr officially confirmed as HHS secretary today. Physician payment cuts are increasingly likely. Anything that can be done to mitigate this? Typically we just bill much higher, right?”


Since the early 1980s, the U.S. government has relied on AMA to maintain billing codes, also known as the "current procedural terminology" (CPT) codes, to determine how roughly a fifth of Medicare Part B's budget is spent.

Specifically, AMA runs a panel of doctors called the Relative Value Scale Update Committee (RUC) that meets three times a year to discuss how physician services should be priced, factoring in things like the amount of time a service or visit takes and how much practices spend on supplies and malpractice insurance.

The RUC then sends its recommendations to Medicare, which publishes physician payment updates each year. Medicare isn't required to accept the RUC's recommendations, but it does between 60% to 80% of the time, according to estimates from the Government Accountability Office.

According to people familiar with the process who spoke to the Financial Times, Kennedy is working on plans that would reduce the role played by AMA in determining Medicare payments. He is instead considering how the process could be done by CMS.

Kennedy has previously decried the influence of big business in the healthcare industry and promised to "free the agencies from the smothering cloud of corporate capture."

In a post on X following his nomination as HHS secretary, Kennedy said he would "clean up corruption, stop the revolving door between industry and government, and return our health agencies to their rich tradition of gold-standard, evidence-based science."

Currently, control of medical billing codes is a significant source of revenue for AMA, as the group charges royalties for the use of its CPT codes. According to AMA's most recent annual report, more than half of its revenue in 2023, or $266 million, came from the budget category that includes CPT books, workshops, and data files, though that category also includes revenue from products unrelated to CPT codes.

Removing AMA from the process of determining Medicare payment prices has been considered before by members of congress. In the early 2000s, former Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) asked HHS to end AMA's "monopoly" over billing codes, and former Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) in 2009 accused AMA of supporting the Affordable Care Act to protect its medical billing code revenue.

The RUC has also drawn criticism from health policy experts in the past, who have argued it's unethical and a conflict of interest for physicians to set their own Medicare payment rates.

Robert Berenson, a physician, former CMS official under the Clinton administration, and fellow at the Urban Institute, said in 2022 that RUC's recommendations are often based on unreliable data and are biased toward specialties that perform higher-priced procedures.

"It's amazing that other clinicians accept it, which suggests that it's really a political process and not an objective evaluation of work," he said.

However, Berenson added that changes to the codes "would cause chaos without a flight plan about what's next."

Berenson noted that some other Medicare billing codes are already determined by CMS, but he said that even if an alternative was found, doctors and AMA would be "very unhappy" with the change.


In 2021, Medicare increased reimbursement for cognitive (i.e. non-procedural) services while simultaneously reducing payment for procedural interventions (which, to be clear, often involve substantial cognition). For example, reimbursement for a high intensity return visit (HCPCS code 99215, in case you were wondering) increased from a little under $150 up to $180.

Based on past billing, these changes were predicted to reduce ophthalmology income by almost 3% while increasing family medicine income by approximately 11%.

So what happened to the gap in pay after these changes came into effect? Prior to the reimbursement changes, Medicare paid about $40,000 more per year to proceduralists than to non-proceduralists. Importantly, that $40,000 gap reflects only the difference in money each group receives from Medicare and does not count the payment gap from private insurers.

Based on past billing, experts predicted a 6% reduction in that gap. Instead, the gap remained essentially unchanged.

Why? Because physicians across all specialties altered their billing practices, claiming that a higher percentage of their visits were “high intensity” than they had claimed in previous years.

This change in Level 4 and 5 visits likely occurred because there is no universally objective way to determine when a patient’s appointment is high versus medium intensity. With no clear division between a Level 3 and a Level 4 visit, physicians who have seen their reimbursement decline may err towards reporting higher intensity visits. They are not lying about the appointments. They are grading them on a generous curve.

So what can HHS do? Ultimately, Medicare administrators need to decide how much money family medicine should make, compared to orthopedics, neurosurgery, etc. Then, they need to keep tweaking reimbursement until we get there. Along the way, expect physicians to scramble to maintain, or even increase, their incomes.


Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is known first and foremost for his anti-vaccine crusades. However, he has also been saying some things that make sense.

More recently he indicated his intention to go after the pay schedules for physicians in Medicare. This is also a really big deal. The Medicare pay schedules for physicians are largely designed by the physicians themselves, with the specialists deciding how much Medicare should pay them.

The result is a system that tends to hugely overpay specialists, partly at the expense of primary care physicians and partly at the expense of the rest of us who must foot Medicare’s bill. The impact of Medicare’s physician payment structure is amplified by the fact that many private insurers follow Medicare in setting their own compensation levels for physicians’ services.

This is a big part of the story of why we pay our doctors so much more than doctors in other wealthy countries. The average doctor in the US gets paid over $365,000 a year. This is more than twice as much as their counterparts in other wealthy countries. If we paid our physicians as much as doctors in Germany or Canada, it would save us close to $200 billion a year.

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Procedural specialties will still make more than cognitive. RFK plans to revamp physician professional component reimbursement. Procedural specialties are reimbursed somewhat independently of the professional component. Namely surgeons with huge hospital facility fees, cardiology with hospital facility fees and more recently OBL facility fees, GI with hospital facility fees and ASC facility fees, diagnostic radiology with technical component of radiologic exams. The hospital provides a subsidy to employed proceduralists or private groups with hospital contracts so surgery/imaging can keep running so they can make money off of the facility fees. Facility fees have been going up and even outpacing inflation for the last decade. Private groups with ASC/OBL can additionally do the above without direct hospital involvement.

If RFK targets hospital facility fees hospitals may have a tough time keeping doors open. There will be a huge lobby against this.

Moreover cognitive specialties bill 99213/99214/99215 which can also be billed by midlevels. Midlevels cannot get credentialed to do and bill for procedures that require an OR/anesthesia support in a hospital. (Not talking about small IR procedures like para/thora/biopsy). So I have a hypothesis that decreasing physician professional component reimbursement is going to **** over cognitive specialties more than procedural because cognitive specialties inherently do not have access to the same ancillary revenue streams as procedural. The only exception is oncology. But big pharma will keep lobbying on their behalf and 340b drugs will keep lining their pockets and big pharmas.
 

“Rfk jr officially confirmed as HHS secretary today. Physician payment cuts are increasingly likely. Anything that can be done to mitigate this? Typically we just bill much higher, right?”


Since the early 1980s, the U.S. government has relied on AMA to maintain billing codes, also known as the "current procedural terminology" (CPT) codes, to determine how roughly a fifth of Medicare Part B's budget is spent.

Specifically, AMA runs a panel of doctors called the Relative Value Scale Update Committee (RUC) that meets three times a year to discuss how physician services should be priced, factoring in things like the amount of time a service or visit takes and how much practices spend on supplies and malpractice insurance.

The RUC then sends its recommendations to Medicare, which publishes physician payment updates each year. Medicare isn't required to accept the RUC's recommendations, but it does between 60% to 80% of the time, according to estimates from the Government Accountability Office.

According to people familiar with the process who spoke to the Financial Times, Kennedy is working on plans that would reduce the role played by AMA in determining Medicare payments. He is instead considering how the process could be done by CMS.

Kennedy has previously decried the influence of big business in the healthcare industry and promised to "free the agencies from the smothering cloud of corporate capture."

In a post on X following his nomination as HHS secretary, Kennedy said he would "clean up corruption, stop the revolving door between industry and government, and return our health agencies to their rich tradition of gold-standard, evidence-based science."

Currently, control of medical billing codes is a significant source of revenue for AMA, as the group charges royalties for the use of its CPT codes. According to AMA's most recent annual report, more than half of its revenue in 2023, or $266 million, came from the budget category that includes CPT books, workshops, and data files, though that category also includes revenue from products unrelated to CPT codes.

Removing AMA from the process of determining Medicare payment prices has been considered before by members of congress. In the early 2000s, former Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) asked HHS to end AMA's "monopoly" over billing codes, and former Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) in 2009 accused AMA of supporting the Affordable Care Act to protect its medical billing code revenue.

The RUC has also drawn criticism from health policy experts in the past, who have argued it's unethical and a conflict of interest for physicians to set their own Medicare payment rates.

Robert Berenson, a physician, former CMS official under the Clinton administration, and fellow at the Urban Institute, said in 2022 that RUC's recommendations are often based on unreliable data and are biased toward specialties that perform higher-priced procedures.

"It's amazing that other clinicians accept it, which suggests that it's really a political process and not an objective evaluation of work," he said.

However, Berenson added that changes to the codes "would cause chaos without a flight plan about what's next."

Berenson noted that some other Medicare billing codes are already determined by CMS, but he said that even if an alternative was found, doctors and AMA would be "very unhappy" with the change.


In 2021, Medicare increased reimbursement for cognitive (i.e. non-procedural) services while simultaneously reducing payment for procedural interventions (which, to be clear, often involve substantial cognition). For example, reimbursement for a high intensity return visit (HCPCS code 99215, in case you were wondering) increased from a little under $150 up to $180.

Based on past billing, these changes were predicted to reduce ophthalmology income by almost 3% while increasing family medicine income by approximately 11%.

So what happened to the gap in pay after these changes came into effect? Prior to the reimbursement changes, Medicare paid about $40,000 more per year to proceduralists than to non-proceduralists. Importantly, that $40,000 gap reflects only the difference in money each group receives from Medicare and does not count the payment gap from private insurers.

Based on past billing, experts predicted a 6% reduction in that gap. Instead, the gap remained essentially unchanged.

Why? Because physicians across all specialties altered their billing practices, claiming that a higher percentage of their visits were “high intensity” than they had claimed in previous years.

This change in Level 4 and 5 visits likely occurred because there is no universally objective way to determine when a patient’s appointment is high versus medium intensity. With no clear division between a Level 3 and a Level 4 visit, physicians who have seen their reimbursement decline may err towards reporting higher intensity visits. They are not lying about the appointments. They are grading them on a generous curve.

So what can HHS do? Ultimately, Medicare administrators need to decide how much money family medicine should make, compared to orthopedics, neurosurgery, etc. Then, they need to keep tweaking reimbursement until we get there. Along the way, expect physicians to scramble to maintain, or even increase, their incomes.


Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is known first and foremost for his anti-vaccine crusades. However, he has also been saying some things that make sense.

More recently he indicated his intention to go after the pay schedules for physicians in Medicare. This is also a really big deal. The Medicare pay schedules for physicians are largely designed by the physicians themselves, with the specialists deciding how much Medicare should pay them.

The result is a system that tends to hugely overpay specialists, partly at the expense of primary care physicians and partly at the expense of the rest of us who must foot Medicare’s bill. The impact of Medicare’s physician payment structure is amplified by the fact that many private insurers follow Medicare in setting their own compensation levels for physicians’ services.

This is a big part of the story of why we pay our doctors so much more than doctors in other wealthy countries. The average doctor in the US gets paid over $365,000 a year. This is more than twice as much as their counterparts in other wealthy countries. If we paid our physicians as much as doctors in Germany or Canada, it would save us close to $200 billion a year.

Sigh.

Well, folks, it was nice while it lasted.

Expect to see a lot fewer docs taking Medicare in the future.
 
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It will obviously go really poorly but that seems to be the theme of Trump 2.0, toss a grenade in and see what it looks like after knowing there is no way to put it back together.

I don't disagree with the RUC/AMA stuff though--it is a corrupt organization that deserves to wither and die. This is probably the start of the collapse of our healthcare system which admittedly needed to happen, just sucks that I have to be around for it. The Boomers are in charge and it is time for us to pay for their mistakes.
 
Dean baker wrote some drive by hit piece on ID doctors being overpaid a few years back. Apparently even those lowly paid cognitive doctors in the US aren’t living modestly enough for old Dean.
 
Dean baker wrote some drive by hit piece on ID doctors being overpaid a few years back. Apparently even those lowly paid cognitive doctors in the US aren’t living modestly enough for old Dean.
None of us here agree with Dean Baker.

But the average american would and they will always think doctors are overpaid no matter what
 
Physician salaries make up roughly 8% of healthcare costs - for the ones actually providing the care. Every white collar profession gets paid much more in the US than other developed countries. Cost of living is higher, education costs more, and the economy simply produces much more. The difference is even more stark in fields like tech. It is also funny to me when writers like this say physicians "decide" their reimbursement as if we decide to regularly slash it and not adjust for inflation.
The response from every lobby so far has been silence. Perhaps hoping things will not turn out too bad in practice, perhaps thinking any Trump appointee confirmation is inevitable.
 
It will obviously go really poorly but that seems to be the theme of Trump 2.0, toss a grenade in and see what it looks like after knowing there is no way to put it back together.

I don't disagree with the RUC/AMA stuff though--it is a corrupt organization that deserves to wither and die. This is probably the start of the collapse of our healthcare system which admittedly needed to happen, just sucks that I have to be around for it. The Boomers are in charge and it is time for us to pay for their mistakes.

The RUC is garbage, I agree, but I don’t think it’s necessary to blow the healthcare system to smithereens to remove it from the equation.

The country is going to be repairing the damage from all of this Trump stuff for decades.
 
Physician salaries make up roughly 8% of healthcare costs - for the ones actually providing the care. Every white collar profession gets paid much more in the US than other developed countries. Cost of living is higher, education costs more, and the economy simply produces much more. The difference is even more stark in fields like tech. It is also funny to me when writers like this say physicians "decide" their reimbursement as if we decide to regularly slash it and not adjust for inflation.
The response from every lobby so far has been silence. Perhaps hoping things will not turn out too bad in practice, perhaps thinking any Trump appointee confirmation is inevitable.

Exactly.

I think that most US physicians are actually underpaid, considering the amount of time and effort that goes into training.

You could make every doctor in the US work for free, and it wouldn’t really move the needle on healthcare costs.

If they want to cut healthcare expenses in the US…cut the actual bloat. Eliminate layers and layers of overpaid hospital execs…no reason that a bunch of these do-nothing people should each be making $700k+ a year. Cut drug prices. Ban direct to consumer drug advertising. Eliminate PBCs and other middleman grifter companies (like Change Healthcare).

But for the love of god, leave doctors alone. This profession has been abused enough as it is.
 
Exactly.

I think that most US physicians are actually underpaid, considering the amount of time and effort that goes into training.

Which is why we're being replaced with those who require less time and effort in training (PAs, NPs, AI, nurse-run protocols, etc).

Nobody cares anymore about how much time we spend in educations, training, how many board certifications we have.

Cognitive physician reimbursement going down? I don't think any cognitive physician is going to be employed in 30 years, never mind being underpaid.
 
Which is why we're being replaced with those who require less time and effort in training (PAs, NPs, AI, nurse-run protocols, etc).

Nobody cares anymore about how much time we spend in educations, training, how many board certifications we have.

Cognitive physician reimbursement going down? I don't think any cognitive physician is going to be employed in 30 years, never mind being underpaid.

Unfortunately, yeah.

I wonder if this is just the first step towards removing doctors from the equation. Underpay the doctors until they all quit, introduce as many midlevels as possible (“supported” by AI), wash rinse repeat.

In 30 years, the US healthcare system won’t be worth a damn.
 
Unfortunately, yeah.

I wonder if this is just the first step towards removing doctors from the equation. Underpay the doctors until they all quit, introduce as many midlevels as possible (“supported” by AI), wash rinse repeat.

In 30 years, the US healthcare system won’t be worth a damn.
I have 3 kids many years before they even get to high school.

What should they go for careers now? PA NP? What a sad reality
 
Which is why we're being replaced with those who require less time and effort in training (PAs, NPs, AI, nurse-run protocols, etc).

Nobody cares anymore about how much time we spend in educations, training, how many board certifications we have.

Cognitive physician reimbursement going down? I don't think any cognitive physician is going to be employed in 30 years, never mind being underpaid.
I disagree. Someone will always need a doctor.

If RFK decreases professional component reimbursement, it will make private practice less viable for sure and further shift towards hospital employed models. But DPC will thrive, requires a good business mindset and living somewhere with clientele that can pay you for a subscription service.
 
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I have 3 kids many years before they even get to high school.

What should they go for careers now? PA NP? What a sad reality
Businessman will be the last viable career in 30 years. That or surgeon with expertise. Will
Be difficult to make over 1M otherwise. If you can create generational wealth for your children now.
 
I disagree. Someone will always need a doctor.

What for? What do I do? I titrate someone's Amlodipine from 5 mg to 10 mg if their blood pressure is too high. It's not rocket science. A chat bot can do just the same.

You're a proceduralist? Ok. What if an AI-guided robot can do the same procedure and interpret the results with 10^6 better accuracy?

The only reason why physicians are still in the game, is because people still like to "talk to a doctor", a doctor is still required to sign the chart (it could be a thousand AI-generated charts, but each still requires an MD's signature), insurance companies require a doctor to co-sign orders, etc etc.

If you eliminate (or find ways to circumvent) these requirements, and if society (see Gen X, Gen Z) no longer desires (or even worse, becomes disenchanted by) a doctor's conversation . . . then the profession of physician is over.
 
What for? What do I do? I titrate someone's Amlodipine from 5 mg to 10 mg if their blood pressure is too high. It's not rocket science. A chat bot can do just the same.

You're a proceduralist? Ok. What if an AI-guided robot can do the same procedure and interpret the results with 10^6 better accuracy?

The only reason why physicians are still in the game, is because people still like to "talk to a doctor", a doctor is still required to sign the chart (it could be a thousand AI-generated charts, but each still requires an MD's signature), insurance companies require a doctor to co-sign orders, etc etc.

If you eliminate (or find ways to circumvent) these requirements, and if society (see Gen X, Gen Z) no longer desires (or even worse, becomes disenchanted by) a doctor's conversation . . . then the profession of physician is over.
Is the robot going to intubate them and do colonoscopies? What happens if something starts bleeding and obstructs its view? Is it going to see that the blood pressure is too high and they are diaphoretic and agitated and need further workup? Is it going to put a central line in a combative patient thrashing around?

If this country decides to shred medicine to save money plenty of others still value human life and we can just go there.
 
What for? What do I do? I titrate someone's Amlodipine from 5 mg to 10 mg if their blood pressure is too high. It's not rocket science. A chat bot can do just the same.

You're a proceduralist? Ok. What if an AI-guided robot can do the same procedure and interpret the results with 10^6 better accuracy?

The only reason why physicians are still in the game, is because people still like to "talk to a doctor", a doctor is still required to sign the chart (it could be a thousand AI-generated charts, but each still requires an MD's signature), insurance companies require a doctor to co-sign orders, etc etc.

If you eliminate (or find ways to circumvent) these requirements, and if society (see Gen X, Gen Z) no longer desires (or even worse, becomes disenchanted by) a doctor's conversation . . . then the profession of physician is over.
Exactly that. To talk to a doctor. It’s the reason rich people pay for concierge services. It makes them feel good, it’s a status symbol to have a doctor at your call to order you a zpack whenever you want.

I don’t think this business model will die in our lifetimes.
 
I have 3 kids many years before they even get to high school.

What should they go for careers now? PA NP? What a sad reality

One of my kids has to see a speech therapist.

In Southern California, nearly every speech therapist has a 6 to 12 month wait list and a lot own their own practice. I had to get put on a wait-list for an appointment.

Not a bad gig if there is so much demand but then you will have to deal with a fair amount if kids which is it's own challenge.
 
Is the robot going to intubate them and do colonoscopies? What happens if something starts bleeding and obstructs its view? Is it going to see that the blood pressure is too high and they are diaphoretic and agitated and need further workup? Is it going to put a central line in a combative patient thrashing around?

If this country decides to shred medicine to save money plenty of others still value human life and we can just go there.
A nurse-driven protocol recognizes sepsis as per the automatic alert generated in Epic, a CRNA will intubate, and yes there will be robotic assisted intubation and colonoscopy some day. Labs/rads ordered as per said protocol, transfer to the ICU initiated . . . all of this done without the involvement of the attending physician.

Yes. This is a reality, and is happening as we speak in many hospitals. The future is here.

Value human life? It's quite debatable whether we humans really value human life. History provides plenty of examples to the contrary.
 
A nurse-driven protocol recognizes sepsis as per the automatic alert generated in Epic, a CRNA will intubate, and yes there will be robotic assisted intubation and colonoscopy some day. Labs/rads ordered as per said protocol, transfer to the ICU initiated . . . all of this done without the involvement of the attending physician.

Yes. This is a reality, and is happening as we speak in many hospitals. The future is here.

Value human life? It's quite debatable whether we humans really value human life. History provides plenty of examples to the contrary.
I have seen the sepsis alerts driven by Epic--they aren't worth **** and are way too sensitive and exist to solely evade punishment by CMS, not because it saves money or results in better care.

I am assuming you have never done a colon or intubated somebody to think that a robot could 'assist' either of these tasks in any way. CRNAs cost as much as anesthesiologists and more than intensivists or ED docs so think it is safe to say nobody is saving money there.

I do remote rounding at some of these tiny hospitals that try to get away cutting corners like this. The care is horrible and they transfer to a real hospital as soon as anyone gets really sick. There is no scenario in our lifetimes where AI or any tech somehow supplants in person care. Way too much liability and people are way too scared of anything bad happening.
 
I have seen the sepsis alerts driven by Epic--they aren't worth **** and are way too sensitive and exist to solely evade punishment by CMS, not because it saves money or results in better care.

I am assuming you have never done a colon or intubated somebody to think that a robot could 'assist' either of these tasks in any way. CRNAs cost as much as anesthesiologists and more than intensivists or ED docs so think it is safe to say nobody is saving money there.

I do remote rounding at some of these tiny hospitals that try to get away cutting corners like this. The care is horrible and they transfer to a real hospital as soon as anyone gets really sick. There is no scenario in our lifetimes where AI or any tech somehow supplants in person care. Way too much liability and people are way too scared of anything bad happening.

I agree with everything you're saying.

The rest of society does not.

All of these things are happening now. I'm not some great prognosticator. One can observe all of these things in modern medicine today; you need not look to the future. The future is here.

Horrible care? Liability? These are humanistic notions . . .sure they matter, if we care. But that therein lies the problem. Society just doesn't care anymore.
 
I agree with everything you're saying.

The rest of society does not.

All of these things are happening now. I'm not some great prognosticator. One can observe all of these things in modern medicine today; you need not look to the future. The future is here.

Horrible care? Liability? These are humanistic notions . . .sure they matter, if we care. But that therein lies the problem. Society just doesn't care anymore.
I doubt the lawyers who run the country/world will write themselves out of the medical system and as long as that is the case nothing is going to change that drastically. We have far bigger existential threats that are far more imminent anyways but that would be better covered in the anesthesia forums 😉
 
Correct. The question is the scale of the cuts, and the way they are implemented.

It *could* end up being a nothing burger - but if you look at how Trump et al are approaching the rest of this process, it doesn’t look good.

I doubt it'll be a complete nothing burger.

If you look at all that's happened over the first 25 years of this century, almost everything has worked against the plight of the physician:

- Reduction in Reimbursement
- Complete lack of reimbursement in some cases
- Insurance companies, harder, more bureaucratic to deal with
- Corporate takeovers of smaller clinic and groups, resulting in less jobs in more popular desirable areas
- Mid-level creep
- a patient population that has become entitled due to the power of Yelp (feels like they can get whatever they want). The corporate machine feeds into this, allowing the patient (the 'customer') and not the physician to have final say.
- a patient population that (erroneously) mistrusts physicians, favoring social media instead
- Physicians themselves making life harder for physicians: unnecessary BC for everything, relentless MOC etc.

Worry not about Trump and RFK. They will amount to a few cuts, in this process of "death by a 1000-cuts". The systematic killing-off of the physician started a long time ago.
 
I doubt it'll be a complete nothing burger.

If you look at all that's happened over the first 25 years of this century, almost everything has worked against the plight of the physician:

- Reduction in Reimbursement
- Complete lack of reimbursement in some cases
- Insurance companies, harder, more bureaucratic to deal with
- Corporate takeovers of smaller clinic and groups, resulting in less jobs in more popular desirable areas
- Mid-level creep
- a patient population that has become entitled due to the power of Yelp (feels like they can get whatever they want). The corporate machine feeds into this, allowing the patient (the 'customer') and not the physician to have final say.
- a patient population that (erroneously) mistrusts physicians, favoring social media instead
- Physicians themselves making life harder for physicians: unnecessary BC for everything, relentless MOC etc.

Worry not about Trump and RFK. They will amount to a few cuts, in this process of "death by a 1000-cuts". The systematic killing-off of the physician started a long time ago.
That's what I mean though, I just expect more of the same.

Actually in my field it would be interesting if they removed 501c3 status for hospitals (although I know it won't actually happen due to the extreme lobbying power of hospital systems in Congress). That would mean all the major "non-profit" mega-health systems might not qualify for 340b programs (although if I had to bet... the old systems would be grandfathered in, giving them additional leverage over competition in the future) and over the long term could lead to a shift away from hospital employment and back to private practice where we belong IMO.
 
That's what I mean though, I just expect more of the same.

Actually in my field it would be interesting if they removed 501c3 status for hospitals (although I know it won't actually happen due to the extreme lobbying power of hospital systems in Congress). That would mean all the major "non-profit" mega-health systems might not qualify for 340b programs (although if I had to bet... the old systems would be grandfathered in, giving them additional leverage over competition in the future) and over the long term could lead to a shift away from hospital employment and back to private practice where we belong IMO.

There needs to be a long overdue conversation about how stupid the 501c3 thing has become.

Huge health systems doing billions of dollars of revenue each year shouldn’t be considered “nonprofits” in the same vein as, say, a tiny church with 50 members. Totally ridiculous.
 
There needs to be a long overdue conversation about how stupid the 501c3 thing has become.

Huge health systems doing billions of dollars of revenue each year shouldn’t be considered “nonprofits” in the same vein as, say, a tiny church with 50 members. Totally ridiculous.
The list of stupid in healthcare is nearly endless. Nonprofit status in hospitals , the endless bull**** from JCAHO and their entire overpaid administrators, insurance denials with 'peer to peer' time wasting, insurance 'formularies,' defensive medicine in general, HIPPA etc etc.

I imagine as CMS collapses from the efforts of Musk et al. within the next 5-8 years there will be a necessary re-imaging of healthcare in this country assuming we still have a democracy at that point. As we have elected for wealthy oligarchs to be in charge I expect the hospitals and major insurers will come out on top (and probably all be tax exempt) and private practice will cease to exist.
 
The list of stupid in healthcare is nearly endless. Nonprofit status in hospitals , the endless bull**** from JCAHO and their entire overpaid administrators, insurance denials with 'peer to peer' time wasting, insurance 'formularies,' defensive medicine in general, HIPPA etc etc.

I imagine as CMS collapses from the efforts of Musk et al. within the next 5-8 years there will be a necessary re-imaging of healthcare in this country assuming we still have a democracy at that point. As we have elected for wealthy oligarchs to be in charge I expect the hospitals and major insurers will come out on top (and probably all be tax exempt) and private practice will cease to exist.

That's the doomsday spirit! Only us cynics on here huh? No optimistic counterpoint?!
 
The list of stupid in healthcare is nearly endless. Nonprofit status in hospitals , the endless bull**** from JCAHO and their entire overpaid administrators, insurance denials with 'peer to peer' time wasting, insurance 'formularies,' defensive medicine in general, HIPPA etc etc.

I imagine as CMS collapses from the efforts of Musk et al. within the next 5-8 years there will be a necessary re-imaging of healthcare in this country assuming we still have a democracy at that point. As we have elected for wealthy oligarchs to be in charge I expect the hospitals and major insurers will come out on top (and probably all be tax exempt) and private practice will cease to exist.

Yeah that’s my issue.

Not opposed to some sort of restructuring of US healthcare, but not if it is just Big Biz/Big Oligarchs’ priorities driving it.

Also, IMHO if they want to slash physician income, they should also proportionally slash physician’s student loans…because every doc took those loans with the understanding that the income would be there to pay them.

And I agree that there may well be no democracy at that point, or at least not one that is anything like what we grew up with. We will see.
 
A frustrated person asked a Robber Baron once, how much money do you need?
He said, "Just a little more than I have."

That is the equation driving healthcare.
The rest is merely obfuscation, and lack or inability of the affected general population to change it.
Of all the current issues in the visible forefront of our society, which are important and should be debated in a respectful manner, healthcare is an elephant in the room.
 
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Well I would support RFK if he changed the fundamental way nutrition, fitness, and preventative health is achieved in this country.
While we don't need Arnold Schwarz egger's or John Cena physiques for all (they are on TRT and HGH anyway), there are fewer people who can see their abs (at least at some point in their lives) than than are millionaires based on some DEXA scan study about body composition. (I can find citation later). While not everyone needs to be an athlete like that, high body fat % usually goes along with high visceral fat and all of the ASCVD and other chronic diseases of older ages.
But I would trust a fit jacked 69 year old RFK to help fix the obesity and chronic disease epidemic (even if he is probably on TRT himself but he still goes to the gym and still pounds the iron).

The more money I make the more I pay in taxes anyway (unless #47 gets rid of the IRS and replace it with tariffs like he said... one could dream)

I would rather like healthier patients.

also I am ALL FOR vaccines. I give them out and recommend them all the time.

but I NEVER say it is mandatory or strong arm patients into getting them just to "meet some annual insurance incentive quota." I just have an open discussion and document if patient declines. unlike pokemon, you cannot actually catch 'em all after all.

Like RFK, I am just against GOVERNMENT MANDATES by non-physicians (like Bill Gates lol) .

If I get paid less, I will just take more days off and enjoy life.
 
Well I would support RFK if he changed the fundamental way nutrition, fitness, and preventative health is achieved in this country.
While we don't need Arnold Schwarz egger's or John Cena physiques for all (they are on TRT and HGH anyway), there are fewer people who can see their abs (at least at some point in their lives) than than are millionaires based on some DEXA scan study about body composition. (I can find citation later). While not everyone needs to be an athlete like that, high body fat % usually goes along with high visceral fat and all of the ASCVD and other chronic diseases of older ages.
But I would trust a fit jacked 69 year old RFK to help fix the obesity and chronic disease epidemic (even if he is probably on TRT himself but he still goes to the gym and still pounds the iron).

The more money I make the more I pay in taxes anyway (unless #47 gets rid of the IRS and replace it with tariffs like he said... one could dream)

I would rather like healthier patients.

also I am ALL FOR vaccines. I give them out and recommend them all the time.

but I NEVER say it is mandatory or strong arm patients into getting them just to "meet some annual insurance incentive quota." I just have an open discussion and document if patient declines. unlike pokemon, you cannot actually catch 'em all after all.

Like RFK, I am just against GOVERNMENT MANDATES by non-physicians (like Bill Gates lol) .

If I get paid less, I will just take more days off and enjoy life.

There’s about 5% of what RFK proposes that sounds interesting/reasonable, like cleaning up the food supply.

The other 95% is some of the kookiest nonsense I’ve ever heard come out of someone who managed to snag a cabinet position.

Most of what this guy espouses is going to be a disaster for medicine in America.
 
There’s about 5% of what RFK proposes that sounds interesting/reasonable, like cleaning up the food supply.

The other 95% is some of the kookiest nonsense I’ve ever heard come out of someone who managed to snag a cabinet position.

Most of what this guy espouses is going to be a disaster for medicine in America.
I'll take that! As well as getting American youth into good physical shape again!
Better than what the previous HHS secretaries have done. No I am not referring to the Admiral Doctor. Let's not go there. I am just talking time to change course.

Besides, we have "good" doctors like ourselves to tell patients that "your disease is not metabolic in nature and while getting into good athletic shape is good for your metabolic health and you still need to trust the pharma meds when "good healthy living" just isn't treating your disease.


1- This is great. I feel many of my patients are "stuck in a futile cycle between Big Food and Big Pharma." Why were people in the 1950s much healthier despite Ray kroc and McDonalds existing then too? Why are people in other countries healthier too? (note I am not caucasian and I am a LEGAL immigrant so I am not some Korean war veteran longing for the "good old days" )
2 - While I am not going to say thimerosal caused autism so ban all vaccines (that is asinine and there are research showing no link). I will say would it be so bad to just look into and do RIGOROUS research worthy of PubMed into this subject? No one is going to convince the anti-vaxxe crowd of anything. But would looking into things not be so bad?
3 - The mental health epidemic (just look at the people who post on X and Reddit - on both sides of the political aisle...) really needs to be addressed without giving more SSRIs / TCAs / etc.
4- This is my take. I advise vaccinations for all my patients. I give them the CDC vaccine info sheets and help them make an informed decision. But I never strongarm my patients. As long as the patients had an honest conversation and decline, I just document and call it a day
5 - The fluoride situation should be determined locally. I am sure "undeserved and underprivileged" communities probably cannot afford flourinated toothpaste and may not brush their teeth often at all. But certain well off communities may not want excess flouride in the water.

1. Food and Nutrition​

Trump has promised that Kennedy’s leadership will focus on combating chemicals, pollutants, and additives that he claims contribute to chronic disease in the US.1 Kennedy is known for touting healthier diets, discouraging seed oils and pesticide-heavy agriculture, and advocating for raw milk, despite health risks associated with unpasteurized dairy.2 His potential influence on dietary recommendations would likely face challenges in balancing industry interests with public health goals.



On Fox & Friends, Kennedy explained that improving food quality in the US is "easy to fix," citing that many ingredients used in foods are not permitted in European countries.3 "The reason for that is corruption," he said. "The food industry and big agriculture producers control the FDA, and so they're not worried public health; they're worried about advancing the mercantile interests of those corporations."



2. Ending the Chronic Disease Epidemic​

Ending the chronic disease epidemic was a prominent platform of Kennedy's previous independent presidential campaign. Now, as part of Trump's administration, he plans "to see measurable results in 2 years," at the president-elect's request.4 Kennedy has brought up concerns about the role chronic disease played in the US mortality rate during the COVID-19 pandemic, comparing it with that of other nations and blaming the lack of efficiency of the CDC. He often underscores that the prevalence of chronic diseases, such as diabetes and autism, among others, was much lower when he was younger, and now, "we have the sickest children in the world."



"When I was a kid, the autism rate among American children, and in 70-year-old men today in my generation, is 1 in 10,000," Kennedy said on Fox & Friends. "In my children's generation, it's 1 in every 34 kids, in every 22 boys." However, he fails to acknowledge that the reason for this is unknown, and there are various factors that could contribute to this increase. Although autism may have been documented by fringe psychiatrists in the early 1900s, it wasn't recognized as a disorder or included in Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-III until the 1980s.5



Kennedy has used personal anecdotes frequently while speaking about the current state of health in the country by comparing it with his perspective of growing up.3 Although it's true that current health care spending is at an all-time high,6 especially vs his uncle President John F. Kennedy's time in office, Kennedy has repeatedly made claims about fixing this based primarily on experience bias, lacking the nuance in considering other possible factors.



3. FDA Policies, Alternative Health Treatments​

Kennedy is critical of the FDA’s approach, especially regarding its regulation of alternative treatments like psychedelics, stem cells, and certain supplements.2 He described the FDA as resistant to health innovations and claimed that the "FDA's war on public health is about to end," according to a post from his X account from October. He wrote that employees involved in what he described as a "corrupt system" should preserve their records and prepare to be ousted.



While Kennedy’s rhetoric has questioned FDA-approved products, spanning antidepressants—connecting the increase in the treatment's use with the country's rise in mass shootings—to vaccines, experts argue that substantial changes would be difficult. The FDA's lengthy longstanding framework involves rulemaking processes and extensive collaboration, making the reality of these changes ripe with significant legal and procedural hurdles.



4. Vaccination Policies​

Kennedy is an outspoken vaccine skeptic, claiming that no vaccine is entirely safe and effective and linking vaccines to autism—a claim disproven by scientific research.2 He suggests reviewing vaccine safety and informing the public more comprehensively. He's assured that those who want to be vaccinated will still be able to do so, stating that his stance is "you oughta know the safety profile and the risk profile and the efficacy of that vaccine, and that's it."7



However, experts worry that his influence could erode vaccine coverage and heighten the risk of preventable diseases.2 While leading HHS, which includes the FDA and CDC, he might push for changes, although federal structures and regulatory practices make rapid adjustments challenging.



5. Fluoridation of Drinking Water​

Kennedy opposes adding fluoride to drinking water, arguing that it’s an unnecessary and ineffective way to deliver the mineral, now available in toothpaste.2 He asserts that high fluoride levels may harm children's IQ, although the CDC and expert panels maintain there’s no convincing evidence of adverse effects from community water fluoridation. However, this policy is primarily a state and local decision.
 
How is RFK supposed to microregulate our food supply chain after all the federal employees have been fired by Elon Musk? They dont want a federal government to tell us what to do but RFK is supposed to dictate what we are allowed to eat in the biggest government power overreach of all time?

You really have to hand it to the right, they find the mental weakpoints in people of all intelligence levels and dig in and really core out all sense of rationality and reason and replace it with the party propaganda that is tailor made for that psyche. A rational person would look at RFK and realize that he is totally unqualified to lead the HHS and that grappling with settled science on vaccines or water fluoridation is a circus distraction from the crumbling disaster that CMS has become with plunging reimbursement in a period of record inflation, directly impacting the care seniors receive. But he says the right thing about nutrition and 'poof' all rational sense gone and his glaring deficiencies are immediately overlooked.
 
How is RFK supposed to microregulate our food supply chain after all the federal employees have been fired by Elon Musk? They dont want a federal government to tell us what to do but RFK is supposed to dictate what we are allowed to eat in the biggest government power overreach of all time?

You really have to hand it to the right, they find the mental weakpoints in people of all intelligence levels and dig in and really core out all sense of rationality and reason and replace it with the party propaganda that is tailor made for that psyche. A rational person would look at RFK and realize that he is totally unqualified to lead the HHS and that grappling with settled science on vaccines or water fluoridation is a circus distraction from the crumbling disaster that CMS has become with plunging reimbursement in a period of record inflation, directly impacting the care seniors receive. But he says the right thing about nutrition and 'poof' all rational sense gone and his glaring deficiencies are immediately overlooked.

Exactly.

As I said, there is a tiny kernel of RFK’s “agenda” that makes sense…surrounded by a 20 foot shell of solid bull****. I don’t disagree with some of what RFK is saying, but I don’t trust that he will be the one to fix any of this.

Plus, every doctor knows that much of our chronic “health problem” in America is cultural. Anyone who thinks RFK is going to single-handedly fix decades and decades of Americans’ terrible eating habits, zero exercise, laziness, etc in two years is absolutely delusional. Especially when all of this is baked into the culture in a way that Trump and friends aren’t going to be able to stop by fiat.
 


"Medicaid could end up getting $1 trillion in spending cut. This might not cause problems for private practice clinics that don't need to take medicaid

However...How much of an impact will this have on hospital based specialties?

Like ER, hospitalist, ICU etc?

Will hospital budgets be tightened and be forced to pay less compensation to physicians and instead hire more midlevels to save on the revenue shortfall?

Also, will we actually receive a tax cut as physicians...?

House Republicans to vote on spending deal that could slash Medicaid funding

Tax Cut Chances Rise as House Passes Budget Targeting Safety Net

Slashing Medicaid to Pay for Trump’s Tax Cuts Could Lead to Vast State Shortfalls"
 


"Medicaid could end up getting $1 trillion in spending cut. This might not cause problems for private practice clinics that don't need to take medicaid

However...How much of an impact will this have on hospital based specialties?

Like ER, hospitalist, ICU etc?

Will hospital budgets be tightened and be forced to pay less compensation to physicians and instead hire more midlevels to save on the revenue shortfall?

Also, will we actually receive a tax cut as physicians...?

House Republicans to vote on spending deal that could slash Medicaid funding

Tax Cut Chances Rise as House Passes Budget Targeting Safety Net

Slashing Medicaid to Pay for Trump’s Tax Cuts Could Lead to Vast State Shortfalls"


Yup…

Any doctors cheering for this crap may now see just how foolish all this is getting…
 
Exactly.

As I said, there is a tiny kernel of RFK’s “agenda” that makes sense…surrounded by a 20 foot shell of solid bull****. I don’t disagree with some of what RFK is saying, but I don’t trust that he will be the one to fix any of this.

Plus, every doctor knows that much of our chronic “health problem” in America is cultural. Anyone who thinks RFK is going to single-handedly fix decades and decades of Americans’ terrible eating habits, zero exercise, laziness, etc in two years is absolutely delusional. Especially when all of this is baked into the culture in a way that Trump and friends aren’t going to be able to stop by fiat.

But gotta start somewhere. while I do not think RFK Jr (an environmental lawyer) is going to be a panacea for American's health issues by himself, I think anything is better than the current "therapeutic inertia" that plagues the the general health of America.

for all the talk about "preventative measures" in Internal Medicine, the best thing to do for our children is to set a good example, get into shape (again not necessarily athletic six pack low body fat... but at least low visceral fat as measured by any $30 amazon smart scale you can get) , and set good healthy habits from the start.

having kids cartoon commercials for happy meals, fruit snacks full of processed chemicals and dyes, and microtransaction riddled video games (that mess up a child's dopamine reward system) are not conducive to a good start.

I am willing to give RFK the benefit of the doubt and see what he does. From the perspective of improving physical health, itll be better than anything the previous HHS secretary did. While I sure Dr Levine's field of expertise would have benefitted Dr Levine's (notice how I am not using any pronouns) patients of Dr Levine's subspecialty, I would not take any metabolic health advice from Dr Levine. I would take metabolic health advice from RFK though and he's not even a doctor.

(for the record again, I give vaccines, recommend them, and take them myself. I just do not mandate, guilt trip or strongarm patient's into getting them)
 
But gotta start somewhere. while I do not think RFK Jr (an environmental lawyer) is going to be a panacea for American's health issues by himself, I think anything is better than the current "therapeutic inertia" that plagues the the general health of America.

for all the talk about "preventative measures" in Internal Medicine, the best thing to do for our children is to set a good example, get into shape (again not necessarily athletic six pack low body fat... but at least low visceral fat as measured by any $30 amazon smart scale you can get) , and set good healthy habits from the start.

having kids cartoon commercials for happy meals, fruit snacks full of processed chemicals and dyes, and microtransaction riddled video games (that mess up a child's dopamine reward system) are not conducive to a good start.

I am willing to give RFK the benefit of the doubt and see what he does. From the perspective of improving physical health, itll be better than anything the previous HHS secretary did. While I sure Dr Levine's field of expertise would have benefitted Dr Levine's (notice how I am not using any pronouns) patients of Dr Levine's subspecialty, I would not take any metabolic health advice from Dr Levine. I would take metabolic health advice from RFK though and he's not even a doctor.

(for the record again, I give vaccines, recommend them, and take them myself. I just do not mandate, guilt trip or strongarm patient's into getting them)
That is like saying a shotgun blast to the chest is a reasonable approach to treating lung cancer in someone who has refused treatment. These people aren't looking to fix anything--they are shutting down the NIH/CDC, stopped participating in WHO, going to kill medicaid funding etc etc. Destroying the system wholesale is an approach to forcing change I suppose but I certainly wouldnt be cheering for it.
 
But gotta start somewhere. while I do not think RFK Jr (an environmental lawyer) is going to be a panacea for American's health issues by himself, I think anything is better than the current "therapeutic inertia" that plagues the the general health of America.

for all the talk about "preventative measures" in Internal Medicine, the best thing to do for our children is to set a good example, get into shape (again not necessarily athletic six pack low body fat... but at least low visceral fat as measured by any $30 amazon smart scale you can get) , and set good healthy habits from the start.

having kids cartoon commercials for happy meals, fruit snacks full of processed chemicals and dyes, and microtransaction riddled video games (that mess up a child's dopamine reward system) are not conducive to a good start.

I am willing to give RFK the benefit of the doubt and see what he does. From the perspective of improving physical health, itll be better than anything the previous HHS secretary did. While I sure Dr Levine's field of expertise would have benefitted Dr Levine's (notice how I am not using any pronouns) patients of Dr Levine's subspecialty, I would not take any metabolic health advice from Dr Levine. I would take metabolic health advice from RFK though and he's not even a doctor.

(for the record again, I give vaccines, recommend them, and take them myself. I just do not mandate, guilt trip or strongarm patient's into getting them)
You're assuming those of us who care for children aren't already counseling on healthy eating/exercise habits...
 
But gotta start somewhere. while I do not think RFK Jr (an environmental lawyer) is going to be a panacea for American's health issues by himself, I think anything is better than the current "therapeutic inertia" that plagues the the general health of America.

for all the talk about "preventative measures" in Internal Medicine, the best thing to do for our children is to set a good example, get into shape (again not necessarily athletic six pack low body fat... but at least low visceral fat as measured by any $30 amazon smart scale you can get) , and set good healthy habits from the start.

having kids cartoon commercials for happy meals, fruit snacks full of processed chemicals and dyes, and microtransaction riddled video games (that mess up a child's dopamine reward system) are not conducive to a good start.

I am willing to give RFK the benefit of the doubt and see what he does. From the perspective of improving physical health, itll be better than anything the previous HHS secretary did. While I sure Dr Levine's field of expertise would have benefitted Dr Levine's (notice how I am not using any pronouns) patients of Dr Levine's subspecialty, I would not take any metabolic health advice from Dr Levine. I would take metabolic health advice from RFK though and he's not even a doctor.

(for the record again, I give vaccines, recommend them, and take them myself. I just do not mandate, guilt trip or strongarm patient's into getting them)

Look, the smarter/more well off parents are often already doing this.

The rest (75%?) of parents couldn’t give less of a damn. These are people who shove devices into their kids’ hands to keep them quiet, never read to their kids (probably never read anything themselves), feed garbage to themselves and their kids, etc.

I can’t see RFK combatting all that entrenched nonsense unless all these kids are rounded up and put into Hitler Youth style “fitness camps” etc etc. And you and I both know that would not be cool. And I don’t even think the MAGA parents who voted in Trump would be ok with this (although who knows, a lot of MAGA voters are still pretty damn unhinged).
 
But gotta start somewhere. while I do not think RFK Jr (an environmental lawyer) is going to be a panacea for American's health issues by himself, I think anything is better than the current "therapeutic inertia" that plagues the the general health of America.

for all the talk about "preventative measures" in Internal Medicine, the best thing to do for our children is to set a good example, get into shape (again not necessarily athletic six pack low body fat... but at least low visceral fat as measured by any $30 amazon smart scale you can get) , and set good healthy habits from the start.

having kids cartoon commercials for happy meals, fruit snacks full of processed chemicals and dyes, and microtransaction riddled video games (that mess up a child's dopamine reward system) are not conducive to a good start.

I am willing to give RFK the benefit of the doubt and see what he does. From the perspective of improving physical health, itll be better than anything the previous HHS secretary did. While I sure Dr Levine's field of expertise would have benefitted Dr Levine's (notice how I am not using any pronouns) patients of Dr Levine's subspecialty, I would not take any metabolic health advice from Dr Levine. I would take metabolic health advice from RFK though and he's not even a doctor.

(for the record again, I give vaccines, recommend them, and take them myself. I just do not mandate, guilt trip or strongarm patient's into getting them)
Imagine if I said I personally exercise regularly, eat a health and well-balanced diet, and limit how often I use my phone or TV. Also that I will raise my kids to do the same. I'll also recommend my patients do the same but I won't mandate or strong-arm them into that type of lifestyle. If parents want to get their kids McDonalds and let them watch Bluey as much as they want, I won't guilt them into following my recommendations.

Imagine RFK jr saying things like "Some studies suggest that too much exercise can actually hurt growing children" or "Is a sedentary lifestyle that bad? I don't know if the science says that and I don't think there's anything wrong with asking questions" or "They eat a ton of salt and fast food in Japan and South Korea but they're some of the skinniest people in the world" or "We can't start mandating healthier lunches for kids. Look, if you want to pack your kids some whole grains and fruit, I won't stand in the way of that, but parents should have choice" or "Parents should have the option of taking their kids out of PE. Why do kids need fitness standards anyway? Seems like we're promoting unhealthy obsessions with our bodies" or "You hear about the kids that died of E. coli from eating spinach? I'm going to give my kids processed foods, I don't trust that natural stuff full of germs. Besides, my kid eating four pizzas a day isn't anybody's business." But on the other hand he promoted vaccines. Would you still think "But gotta start somewhere?"
 
Imagine if I said I personally exercise regularly, eat a health and well-balanced diet, and limit how often I use my phone or TV. Also that I will raise my kids to do the same. I'll also recommend my patients do the same but I won't mandate or strong-arm them into that type of lifestyle. If parents want to get their kids McDonalds and let them watch Bluey as much as they want, I won't guilt them into following my recommendations.

Imagine RFK jr saying things like "Some studies suggest that too much exercise can actually hurt growing children" or "Is a sedentary lifestyle that bad? I don't know if the science says that and I don't think there's anything wrong with asking questions" or "They eat a ton of salt and fast food in Japan and South Korea but they're some of the skinniest people in the world" or "We can't start mandating healthier lunches for kids. Look, if you want to pack your kids some whole grains and fruit, I won't stand in the way of that, but parents should have choice" or "Parents should have the option of taking their kids out of PE. Why do kids need fitness standards anyway? Seems like we're promoting unhealthy obsessions with our bodies" or "You hear about the kids that died of E. coli from eating spinach? I'm going to give my kids processed foods, I don't trust that natural stuff full of germs. Besides, my kid eating four pizzas a day isn't anybody's business." But on the other hand he promoted vaccines. Would you still think "But gotta start somewhere?"
hmm I am not quite sure what you are trying to say here. This is not an antagonistic reply. Rather I am just not quite sure what you are saying here.

I do agree with a few of the statements you posted in there. Although I am not sure if you were just pointing these out as talking points in quotations marks as a hypothetical statement or not.

Basically, I hear from ABIM, medical governing bodies, and "leaders of the field" basically that "you all need to do better everyone" when it comes to preventative health. Whether or not RFK is successful or not, I just feel the current/previous "therapeutic inertia" of Medicine as a whole just needs some shaking up.

Anecdotally (because no one is going to run an RCT on this. absence of proof is not proof of absence), i see more success from the (earnest ones that do not push for scam products) social media fitness influencers who sel services for nutrition and fitness guidance and coaching in helping ordinary Americans lose weight than I have from any regular doctors helping them (outside of using GLp1 agonist or bariatric surgery).

End of the day I am against government overreach. But that goes both ways. I do not want the government to ban sugary sodas anymore than I want the government to put GLP1 agonists and statins into the water. I jus want to be able to have my patients receive proper informed consent on everything and be educated. But there is so much "noise" coming from advertisement from big food, big pharma, and big whatever else you can think of.
 
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Look, the smarter/more well off parents are often already doing this.

The rest (75%?) of parents couldn’t give less of a damn. These are people who shove devices into their kids’ hands to keep them quiet, never read to their kids (probably never read anything themselves), feed garbage to themselves and their kids, etc.

I can’t see RFK combatting all that entrenched nonsense unless all these kids are rounded up and put into Hitler Youth style “fitness camps” etc etc. And you and I both know that would not be cool. And I don’t even think the MAGA parents who voted in Trump would be ok with this (although who knows, a lot of MAGA voters are still pretty damn unhinged).
good points all around.
though there is probably a subset of people who "want to be healthier" but just cannot afford it due to whatever reasons. If some of these policies can even help some percentage of people who are not that well off be healthier, then perhaps it might be worth it?
Again I would be against these "high BMI camps" as they jsut do not promote good healthy habits in the long run. If an individual wanted to go through intense dieting (with the assistance of GLP 1 agonsits perhaps) and build a training regimen, that is better for that individual.
But just trying to get rid of some processed chemicals in our foods that are designed to decrease satiety, increase more food intake, and drive up corporate profits might not be so bad for improving overall ehalth.

A funny observation, I live in NYC where there are a ton of far left lunatics here shouting crazy things. There really are none of these MAGA types over here. There some in Suffolk country Long Island and Staten Island NY but they seldom venture into the city itself. Despite that there are quite a lot of trump supporters here in NYC even but they tend to be quiet about things and be "normal people."
Since you live down south and seem to be fairly moderate in your posts, perhaps the MAGA crowd down there seem to be far right lunatics to a moderate eye as well?

For the record, I am not Caucasian and I have zero Caucasian friends (cordial colleagues at work yes), I am a LEGAL immigrant who serves an underserved population in NYC and includes illegal immigrants who get free Medicaid (lol seriously), I am an atheist - i believe Jesus was a real man who lived 2025 years ago but do not believe he was a demigod, I wear an N95 mask when seeing patients due to seeing a lot of pulmonary infectious diseases in the office with quite a few pulmonary TB diagnoses made in my office (due to illegal immigrants not getting their USCIS health examinations; but no mask in public in a well aerated area). You would think I have the phenotype of a liberal voter. I like to think of myself as a "90s/00s liberal." But in the current climate, I am probably considered a "far right extremist" to some of these people in NYC now.
 
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You're assuming those of us who care for children aren't already counseling on healthy eating/exercise habits...
I'm sure you are a wonderful individual doctor based on your posts. Don't look for offense where none is intended. There was no need to bust out the ellipsis. You can put it back into the "break open in case of emergency box."

But looking at the general whole population of doctors, I am not sure how much actual fitness advice doctors as a population are doing for health advice besides reciting some lines. Then again, employed doctors do not have the time or incentive to go all out of this. I did that obesity medicine CME pathway to learn more about things. For my obese BMI patients, I do start them on CPAP / dental / Inspire, but I also gauge their interested in losing the weight. I do use the big-pharma GLP1 agonist therapy, but I am also getting them to an RD (and ensuring they go), sharing them various fitness videos/links, doing CPET based exercise prescriptions, doing remote patient monitoring with pedometers.. and most importantly... follow up to make sure they lose the weight and it stays off. I have gotten my OSA patients off of CPAP after successful weight loss. Heck one patient I even got interested in the digerdidoo (there is a clinical trial on this for OSA).

my whole take is not "I will never use big pharma products because i am holistic and a hippy." Rather more so we as doctors should use every tool in our armamentarium and not just feel satisfied "yep i got the patient onto chronic meds and followed some clinical trial about reduction in morality benefit and I am done. checked out."
 
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