RIP Consigliere

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msnbc2020 said:
Imo sdn has two many premeds and med students who got participation trophies all their lives and have no ability to cope with differing viewpoints other than to whine to moderators.
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That's why i'm pushing for preclinical to be reduced to 1 year everywhere. The clinical years will give med students a dose of reality.

Premeds? Why would anyone really care what they think, especially in a specialty forum?
 
Let this be a reminder to all you Anesthesiology dudes/dudettes that the discussions and terminology that you guys have and use in the safety of the Anesthesiology forum.... that safety is not at all present in the rest of SDN.

There are lots of ways to disagree with someone without directly insulting them. In the other forums, if you do directly insult another SDN user, expect moderation. Get enough moderation in your life and eventually you get banned.
 
evilbooyaa said:
Let this be a reminder to all you Anesthesiology dudes/dudettes that the discussions and terminology that you guys have and use in the safety of the Anesthesiology forum.... that safety is not at all present in the rest of SDN.

There are lots of ways to disagree with someone without directly insulting them. In the other forums, if you do directly insult another SDN user, expect moderation. Get enough moderation in your life and eventually you get banned.
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Maybe you should ask all the other moderators to join in by coming here to warn us and slap our wrists. OR maybe, just maybe, you could discuss your issues with the moderators here, @pgg and @Arch Guillotti, who can then relay the message to us.

Sorry, but barging in to hand out a warning like a slap on our wrists probably isnt the message you intend to send. Most of us are attending physicians and can handle ourselves as such. If an anesthesiologist gets out of line in another forum, you should feel free to use your powers to your heart's delight.

Honestly, your post is even MORE reason for me to never leave this forum, and I didn't think that possible. And while I'm sure you're good with that, honestly I think that's a shame for the learners out there.
 
Southpaw said:
Maybe you should ask all the other moderators to join in by coming here to warn us and slap our wrists. OR maybe, just maybe, you could discuss your issues with the moderators here, @pgg and @Arch Guillotti, who can then relay the message to us.

Sorry, but barging in to hand out a warning like a slap on our wrists probably isnt the message you intend to send. Most of us are attending physicians and can handle ourselves as such. If an anesthesiologist gets out of line in another forum, you should feel free to use your powers to your heart's delight.

Honestly, your post is even MORE reason for me to never leave this forum, and I didn't think that possible. And while I'm sure you're good with that, honestly I think that's a shame for the learners out there.
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I don't think Evil's post had that intended message. I think it was plainly saying to keep the anesthesiology forum culture here in the anesthesiology forum. I also don't think Consigliere really has anything to do with the rest of your post. This isn't like if FFP, for example, went to another forum and said something crude yet contributes a great deal of clinical content as well. This guy was a troll, fullstop. For the record, I don't agree that we should ban people for language found on that post when it's adults speaking with adults on an anonymous platform. Consigliere wasn't exactly wrong/inaccurate in label... sometimes the truth hurts.

That said, with regards to your comment about not leaving the forum, I have been saying that SDN's biggest enemy is alienating residents and attendings from the site. That's their *only* asset and they continually and actively try to disincentivize people from posting here. It's a straight up braindead business decision, frankly. SDN attempting to weaponize professionalism and irritate the only people who really bring anything useful to the forum is misguided at best. SDN has a bad rep among some premeds because of other neurotic and *****ic premeds. It has nothing to do with any of this other stuff that gets heavily moderated now. This "both sides get an equal voice" BS is a problem plaguing the student forums. Some guy says something asinine and you are supposed to say," Sir, I dare say that I am not in complete agreement with you. I apologize. Pray tell why you think that. blah blah blah" It's ridiculous bull**** but maybe I was just raised by people who don't mince words when people say dumb ****.

You should be worried though because the anesthesiology forum isn't going to be immune from the powers that be for long. Eventually, they will force everyone here to bend the knee and succumb to the pressure. The rebranding into the Charmin Club can't be complete without full compliance. It doesn't matter if most of you guys are 40 year old attendings dealing with OR personalities all day and tough situations. You better play nice with little hello-kitty poster who thinks you are a meanie head for telling them they need to put their head down, work harder, and quit complaining.

Antagonizing these people will just make the day that it's not worth coming onto the website at all come much faster.
 
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Southpaw said:
Maybe you should ask all the other moderators to join in by coming here to warn us and slap our wrists. OR maybe, just maybe, you could discuss your issues with the moderators here, @pgg and @Arch Guillotti, who can then relay the message to us.

Sorry, but barging in to hand out a warning like a slap on our wrists probably isnt the message you intend to send. Most of us are attending physicians and can handle ourselves as such. If an anesthesiologist gets out of line in another forum, you should feel free to use your powers to your heart's delight.

Honestly, your post is even MORE reason for me to never leave this forum, and I didn't think that possible. And while I'm sure you're good with that, honestly I think that's a shame for the learners out there.
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First things first, I am a longtime lurker on this sub-forum, even if I've (almost) never posted here. Same with the EM forum. I read the democratic socialists thread from start to finish and am probably going to get through bladeMDA's 120+ page long thread about 11 or 13 justices at some point (I think last I was on page 40 something). And some of your airway case scenario threads are super interesting, even for somebody with zero anesthesia training. So I get while it may seem like I'm coming for a drive-by, it's not. I've been silently here for quite some time, but this is simply the first time a post in this forum has had anything that I can at all intelligently respond to. And I felt that given the level of confusion as to what happened to the user, it was worthy of some clarification as to why what happened happened.

I don't mean my previous post to be taken in the sense of waving a stick in your face or to slap you on the wrists or to threaten you. It's simply the reality of the situation. It is known that the level of dicourse that flies in this forum, and the leeway afforded to the users within this forum, is not the same level of leeway that the remainder of the SDN forums has. I primarily moderate the forum of Radiation Oncology that is somewhere between you guys and the rest of SDN in terms of 'what crosses the line'.

The first bolded is exactly what happened to the member in question.

The second bolded - I do agree with you that that's a shame, but I do think that those who are motivated to search for input for Anesthesiology will find their way to this forum. I said what I said not as a threat against the regular users of this sub-forum, but rather as an explanation as to why the member in question was removed.
 
Neopolymath said:
I don't think Evil's post had that intended message. I think it was plainly saying to keep the anesthesiology forum culture here in the anesthesiology forum. I also don't think Consigliere really has anything to do with the rest of your post. This isn't like if FFP, for example, went to another forum and said something crude yet contributes a great deal of clinical content as well. This guy was a troll, fullstop. For the record, I don't agree that we should ban people for language found on that post when it's adults speaking with adults on an anonymous platform. Consigliere wasn't exactly wrong/inaccurate in label... sometimes the truth hurts.

That said, with regards to your comment about not leaving the forum, I have been saying that SDN's biggest enemy is alienating residents and attendings from the site. That's their *only* asset and they continually and actively try to disincentivize people from posting here. It's a straight up braindead business decision, frankly. SDN attempting to weaponize professionalism and irritate the only people who really bring anything useful to the forum is misguided at best. SDN has a bad rep among some premeds because of neurotic and *****ic premeds. It has nothing to do with any of this other stuff that gets heavily moderated now. This "both sides get an equal voice" BS is a problem plaguing the student forums. Some guy says something asinine and you are supposed to say," Sir, I dare say that I am not incomplete agreement with you. I apologize. Pray tell why you think that. blah blah blah" It's ridiculous bull**** but maybe I was just raised by people who don't mince words when people say dumb ****.

You should be worried though because the anesthesiology forum isn't going to be immune from the powers that be for long. Eventually, they will force everyone here to bend the knee and succumb to the pressure. The rebranding into the Charmin Club can't be complete without full compliance. It doesn't matter if most of you guys are 40 year old attendings dealing with OR personalities all day and tough situations. You better play nice with little hello-kitty poster who thinks you are a meanie head for telling them they need to put their head down, work harder, and quit complaining.

Antagonizing these people will just make the day that it's not worth coming onto the website at all faster.
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If the Anesthesiology forum bends the knee and becomes like the rest of SDN, a place where everyone agrees to agree even if they disagree and they eventually can't stand how fake it is/becomes, then so be it. This specialty forum has always been a bright spot for lively clinical and non-clinical discussion amongst dead zones for most other specialty forums. If SDN forces change because it can't help itself, then whatever, it deserves what it gets. Not sure what else to say or what anyone can do.
 
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evilbooyaa said:
First things first, I am a longtime lurker on this sub-forum, even if I've (almost) never posted here. Same with the EM forum. I read the democratic socialists thread from start to finish and am probably going to get through bladeMDA's 120+ page long thread about 11 or 13 justices at some point (I think last I was on page 40 something). And some of your airway case scenario threads are super interesting, even for somebody with zero anesthesia training. So I get while it may seem like I'm coming for a drive-by, it's not. I've been silently here for quite some time, but this is simply the first time a post in this forum has had anything that I can at all intelligently respond to. And I felt that given the level of confusion as to what happened to the user, it was worthy of some clarification as to why what happened happened.

I don't mean my previous post to be taken in the sense of waving a stick in your face or to slap you on the wrists or to threaten you. It's simply the reality of the situation. It is known that the level of dicourse that flies in this forum, and the leeway afforded to the users within this forum, is not the same level of leeway that the remainder of the SDN forums has. I primarily moderate the forum of Radiation Oncology that is somewhere between you guys and the rest of SDN in terms of 'what crosses the line'.

The first bolded is exactly what happened to the member in question.

The second bolded - I do agree with you that that's a shame, but I do think that those who are motivated to search for input for Anesthesiology will find their way to this forum. I said what I said not as a threat against the regular users of this sub-forum, but rather as an explanation as to why the member in question was removed.
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Apologies. It certainly felt like a drive-by so I appreciate the clarity.
 
Isn’t he the guy making mid to high 6 figures in PP sleeping on call at home while his CRNA places epidurals and starts crash c sections without him? I don’t know what he was complaining about. He and his group are the problem. But, gotta make the Benjamin’s.
 
Twiggidy said:
It's a good lesson. You can act a fool at the family reunion among your own family, but expect to get kicked out of some other family's reunion.
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but not only did he get kicked out of some others familys reunion, he also got kicked out of his own at the same time !
 
anbuitachi said:
but not only did he get kicked out of some others familys reunion, he also got kicked out of his own at the same time !
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Yeah...my analogy sort of didn't completely hold. It's almost like he got kicked out of the country, or even Earth. He no long exists in the SDN world. This is starting to sound like Matrix 4
 
ZzzPlz said:
Consigliere if you’re reading this I just wanted to say The Eagles suck
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Hey, hey, now.
I need to report this post. I am personally offended when you talk about my eagles that way. What did Philadelphia ever do to you?

Mod, mod?! MOD?! M O D? Can we get a time out for zzzplz? I think this is an unsafe environment, I don’t feel comfortable and protected, like SDN suppose to make me feel. Where are my “colleagues” when I need them. I am sure there are PA midlevels larking somewhere..... nurse, Nurse!!!
 
IMGASMD said:
Hey, hey, now.
I need to report this post. I am personally offended when you talk about my eagles that way. What did Philadelphia ever do to you?

Mod, mod?! MOD?! M O D? Can we get a time out for zzzplz? I think this is an unsafe environment, I don’t feel comfortable and protected, like SDN suppose to make me feel. Where are my “colleagues” when I need them. I am sure there are PA midlevels larking somewhere..... nurse, Nurse!!!
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Just throw batteries at him, like you Eagles fans do for your head coach and guys dressed up as Santa Claus.

(That's what we mods like to call "forum homeostasis" i.e. letting things work themselves out.)
 
pgg said:
Just throw batteries at him, like you Eagles fans do for your head coach and guys dressed up as Santa Claus.

(That's what we mods like to call "forum homeostasis" i.e. letting things work themselves out.)
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Dude. Now even the mods are ganging up on me.

I may need to take a few days off, and cry to the mods’ mod. Maybe I will get this whole sub closedown for good.

/s

Please excuse my poor attempt at comedy. I am no Dr. Ken.
 
pgg said:
In a sense you're right, it was nothing unusual for him ... which was the problem. He'd had many previous warnings and postholds, most recently just a couple weeks ago.

We usually just let it go here - most of his caustic and abrasive TOS line-toeing or line-crossing was directed toward midlevels, or just venting about his unhappiness with the state of anesthesiology. I couldn't ever really muster the enthusiasm to ding him for giving some midlevel or mid-level-sympathizer a ration of ****. He probably got away with more than he should have for longer than he should have, given the site-wide TOS.

Anyway, he took that game to another subforum where they don't play that way.

Rules is rules and though we let a lot slide here (especially for longtime members) the rest of SDN isn't obligated to allow it. Don't know what to say beyond that.
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Is this the 'anesthesiologist' forum or the, 'anesthesia provider' forum? Seriously define its purpose. Maybe a better question is, "is this a forum for actual physicians and medical students?"
 
gtb said:
Is this the 'anesthesiologist' forum or the, 'anesthesia provider' forum? Seriously define its purpose.
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SDN's purpose: read the first couple lines on the home page Home ... seriously, it's defined there, and it's not ambiguous.

gtb said:
Maybe a better question is, "is this a forum for actual physicians and medical students?"
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Yes.

To restate what's been stated several time already: He was banned for attacking another physician (for being an apologist/promoter of independent midlevels), in another subforum, after repeated warnings over an extended period of time. Not in the anesthesia forum, not by me. His point could've been made in a dozen ways, albeit less entertaining ways, that wouldn't have gotten him banned. :shrug:
 

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So 40+ people like or enjoy his post, one dislikes it, but he gets banned. Yeah, makes total sense.

Only a soy boy would get offended for being called a soy boy. A mature self-confident man would just laugh it off, especially when coming from a jester. Even absolute monarchs knew better.

This forum does not deserve Consigliere, same way they don't deserve Noyac, Blade, Plank, and other users many admins don't have enough brains or spine to appreciate and protect.

His contributions were better than clinical: they were REAL and HONEST. He hates his job for a reason, and he provided counterbalance to a lot of sycophants, and "diversity" for students who only keep hearing how magnificent the practice of anesthesiology is.

Only in the Gen Z dreamworld could valuable people have no defects. In the real world, real people with many qualities will also have many defects, including being arrogant or unpleasant, or breaking rules repeatedly (aka being contrarians or politically incorrect), or even being intolerant. Real people with no defects usually have no remarkable qualities either. Intelligence, whenever freely expressed, tends to "offend"; that's why all authoritarian societies try to eliminate/marginalize the unindoctrinatable smart people, through their aparatchiks and commissars (i.e. societal "moderators"). Just look at Putin vs Navalny.

Enjoy feeding the mediocrities with mediocrity, SDN. Maybe you should change your name into studentsnowflake.net, "Helping healthcare students become even more mediocre - because advertisers, universities, and corporate employers want quantity, not quality".

Students and trainees, do avoid surrounding yourselves with echo chambers. No significant learning or self-improvement can occur absent (physical and/or psychological) discomfort.
 
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FFP said:
So 40+ people like or enjoy his post, one dislikes it, but he gets banned. Yeah, makes total sense.

Only a soy boy would get offended for being called a soy boy. A mature self-confident man would just laugh it off, especially when coming from a jester. Even absolute monarchs knew better.

This forum does not deserve Consigliere, same way they don't deserve Noyac, Blade, Plank, and other users many admins don't have enough brains or spine to appreciate and protect.

His contributions were better than clinical: they were REAL and HONEST. He hates his job for a reason, and he provided counterbalance to a lot of sycophants, and "diversity" for students who only keep hearing how magnificent the practice of anesthesiology is.

Only in the Gen Z dreamworld could valuable people have no defects. In the real world, real people with many qualities will also have many defects, including being arrogant or unpleasant, or breaking rules repeatedly (aka being contrarians or politically incorrect), or even being intolerant. Real people with no defects usually have no remarkable qualities either. Intelligence, whenever freely expressed, tends to "offend"; that's why all authoritarian societies try to eliminate/marginalize the unindoctrinatable smart people, through their aparatchiks and commissars (i.e. societal "moderators"). Just look at Putin vs Navalny.

Enjoy feeding the mediocrities with mediocrity, SDN. Maybe you should change your name into studentsnowflake.net, "Helping healthcare students become even more mediocre - because advertisers, universities, and corporate employers want quantity, not quality".

Students and trainees, do avoid surrounding yourselves with echo chambers. No significant learning or self-improvement can occur absent (physical and/or psychological) discomfort.
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Totally agree. Then they wonder why midlevels are taking all their jobs
 
FFP said:
So 40+ people like or enjoy his post, one dislikes it, but he gets banned. Yeah, makes total sense.

Only a soy boy would get offended for being called a soy boy. A mature self-confident man would just laugh it off, especially when coming from a jester. Even absolute monarchs knew better.

This forum does not deserve Consigliere, same way they don't deserve Noyac, Blade, Plank, and other users many admins don't have enough brains or spine to appreciate and protect.

His contributions were better than clinical: they were REAL and HONEST. He hates his job for a reason, and he provided counterbalance to a lot of sycophants, and "diversity" for students who only keep hearing how magnificent the practice of anesthesiology is.

Only in the Gen Z dreamworld could valuable people have no defects. In the real world, real people with many qualities will also have many defects, including being arrogant or unpleasant, or breaking rules repeatedly (aka being contrarians or politically incorrect), or even being intolerant. Real people with no defects usually have no remarkable qualities either. Intelligence, whenever freely expressed, tends to "offend"; that's why all authoritarian societies try to eliminate/marginalize the unindoctrinatable smart people, through their aparatchiks and commissars (i.e. societal "moderators"). Just look at Putin vs Navalny.

Enjoy feeding the mediocrities with mediocrity, SDN. Maybe you should change your name into studentsnowflake.net, "Helping healthcare students become even more mediocre - because advertisers, universities, and corporate employers want quantity, not quality".

Students and trainees, do avoid surrounding yourselves with echo chambers. No significant learning or self-improvement can occur absent (physical and/or psychological) discomfort.
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More wisdom from FFP. He should have at least been left intact on this forum. Likely they don't have a lever for that type of single forum ban, but, if that awesome insult was the reason for his banning, that is sad. Clearly, the non anesthesiology forum moderators are soyboys.
 
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