RIP Consigliere

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Well golly gee, the preceding 20 post juvenile circle jerk about the right to call someone a “soy boy” on the internet sure was a hilarious and productive way to address the midlevel noctor threat.....

 

[deleted162650]

Well golly gee, the preceding 20 post juvenile circle jerk about the right to call someone a “soy boy” on the internet sure was a hilarious and productive way to address the midlevel noctor threat.....

Sounds like the soy boy got his feelings hurt.

 

[deleted697127]

Well golly gee, the preceding 20 post juvenile circle jerk about the right to call someone a “soy boy” on the internet sure was a hilarious and productive way to address the midlevel noctor threat.....

I mean it felt more productive to me than hearing a bunch of anesthesiologists bash another anesthesiologist for expecting their CRNA was capable of assessing and adjusting the depth of anesthesia after their anesthesiologist left the room.

What exactly is the role of a nurse anesthetist if not to be able to grasp depth of anesthesia? I would argue that this is THE primary responsibility of any professional expected to be left alone in a room for any period of time.

I think patients would agree their primary concerns are:
1. Make sure I’m asleep.
2. Make sure I wake up.
3. If you’re telling me you don’t know how to ensure I’m asleep under normal circumstances during general anesthesia, please do not come anywhere near me.

 

[vector2]

I mean it felt more productive to me than hearing a bunch of anesthesiologists bash another anesthesiologist for expecting their CRNA was capable of assessing and adjusting the depth of anesthesia after their anesthesiologist left the room.

What exactly is the role of a nurse anesthetist if not to be able to grasp depth of anesthesia? I would argue that this is THE primary responsibility of any professional expected to be left alone in a room for any period of time.

I think patients would agree their primary concerns are:
1. Make sure I’m asleep.
2. Make sure I wake up.
3. If you’re telling me you don’t know how to ensure I’m asleep under normal circumstances during general anesthesia, please do not come anywhere near me.

Who was "bashing" him?

Don't conflate having the medicolegal liability that comes with supervising nurses pointed out (such as the article I posted showing that that even in states where they recognize CRNA liability, they always go after the bigger fish) with a personal attack on the individual anesthesiologist. Of all people, I sympathize with the firefighter aspects that can come with a high ratio given my job, but ultimately that doesn't change who is getting served papers when the nurse does something stupid.

 

[deleted87051]

Well golly gee, the preceding 20 post juvenile circle jerk about the right to call someone a “soy boy” on the internet sure was a hilarious and productive way to address the midlevel noctor threat.....

It’s ironic because the worst offending, insecure CRNA doctor wannabes are exactly the kind of dudes who would go around calling people “soy boy”.

 

[Neopolymath]

It’s ironic because the worst offending, insecure CRNA doctor wannabes are exactly the kind of dudes who would go around calling people “soy boy”.

And snowflake

 

[deleted171991]

Consigliere's post is now at 57:1, positive vs negative feedback. Probably his most liked post ever.

Not even the wookiees have voted him down. Amazing! Maybe the US is not going to turn into a soy nation, after all. 😛

Still nobody from the moderator team has recognized their knee-jerk protocol-based mistake and "resurrected" him, at least on this section. This is how one person's fault becomes the entire team's (“All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.”).

I forgot, moderators prefer users who don't make waves, aka don't interfere with the "homeostasis" of the forum. Who has time to actually moderate (i.e. calm people down), especially on a volunteer basis? Much easier to just ban those pesky users permanently - they don't seem to learn or care. Same mistake our criminal justice system makes (e.g. three strikes and you're out). Instead of punishing and then forgiving, especially people who have contributed a lot.

Consigliere wasn't the first, by far, but he could be the last. All it takes is a few good men people... Why do I plead for him? Because, without the old timers, this forum is just another place on the Internet, like the comments section of a newspaper article.

Maybe JobsFan and sb247 are smarter than all of us... Maybe the mods did Consigliere a favor, by allowing him to move on to better things.

 

[pgg]

I found him frequently entertaining, and he never hurt my feelings. I also agree with the sentiment of the specific post that was the final fraction of an ounce that tipped him over the ban threshold.

Who has time to actually moderate (i.e. calm people down), especially on a volunteer basis?

That's just it though - multiple moderators on multiple occasions over multiple years talked to him in threads, by PM, and eventually via the warning and post-hold system. I'm not sure what else could've been done in terms of "moderating" a person who won't change. Plenty of time was devoted to moderating.

Bottom line, he wasn't stupid. He knew the score and the rules. He made a calculated step over a line he knew existed. He surely wasn't any more surprised by the result than I was. He went into a subforum that is less loosely enforced than this one, and tossed out a couple of gratuitous ad hominem attacks on another member.

Whether that member was deserving of being called out that way[1], or if his post was entertaining[2], or garnered a bunch of likes[3] is beside the point.


[1] I think yep
[2] sure was
[3] almost 60 of them!

 

[BLADEMDA]

Consigliere's post is now at 57:1, positive vs negative feedback. Probably his most liked post ever.

Not even the wookiees have voted him down. Amazing! Maybe the US is not going to turn into a soy nation, after all. 😛

Still nobody from the moderator team has recognized their knee-jerk protocol-based mistake and "resurrected" him, at least on this section. This is how one person's fault becomes the entire team's (“All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.”).

I forgot, moderators prefer users who don't make waves, aka don't interfere with the "homeostasis" of the forum. Who has time to actually moderate (i.e. calm people down), especially on a volunteer basis? Much easier to just ban those pesky users permanently - they don't seem to learn or care. Same mistake our criminal justice system makes (e.g. three strikes and you're out). Instead of punishing and then forgiving, especially people who have contributed a lot.

Consigliere wasn't the first, by far, but he could be the last. All it takes is a few good men people... Why do I plead for him? Because, without the old timers, this forum is just another place on the Internet, like the comments section of a newspaper article.

Maybe JobsFan and sb247 are smarter than all of us... Maybe the mods did Consigliere a favor, by allowing him to move on to better things.

We live in a "woke" culture. I am surprised Consigliere lasted as long as he did on here. I am as "anti-woke" as one can get but I use moderation in my posts. But, being Anti-woke doesn't mean you have to insult others (even if the insult is true). Consigliere posted comments the way he saw the world. I always like him for that fact. These days the more honest the post the more likely the woke/liberal/lefties will ban you. Free Speech isn't what it used to be these days.

 

[pgg]

We live in a "woke" culture. I am surprised Consigliere lasted as long as he did on here. I am as "anti-woke" as one can get but I use moderation in my posts. But, being Anti-woke doesn't mean you have to insult others (even if the insult is true). Consigliere posted comments the way he saw the world. I always like him for that fact. These days the more honest the post the more likely the woke/liberal/lefties will ban you. Free Speech isn't what it used to be these days.

A certain level of politeness and decorum is never wrong.

The last president called a bunch of African countries ****holes. He wasn't entirely wrong in that assessment, but rightness or wrongness didn't matter as much as how unhelpfully dickish it was to say it.

If a fat ugly woman is crossing the street, you don't run up and shout "YOU'RE FAT AND UGLY" at her. It doesn't matter that it's true. It might even be funny to bystanders. They might post a clip of it on Facebook and garner a lot of likes. But it's still unhelpful in any way and marks you as a dick.

It's bad enough to act that way on the street or if you're a sociopath who conned his way into public office. But it really doesn't have a place on a forum that exists to help aspiring doctors. The mod who banned Consigliere wasn't wrong to do so.

 

[deleted171991]

A certain level of politeness and decorum is never wrong.

The last president called a bunch of African countries ****holes. He wasn't entirely wrong in that assessment, but rightness or wrongness didn't matter as much as how unhelpfully dickish it was to say it.

If a fat ugly woman is crossing the street, you don't run up and shout "YOU'RE FAT AND UGLY" at her. It doesn't matter that it's true. It might even be funny to bystanders. They might post a clip of it on Facebook and garner a lot of likes. But it's still unhelpful in any way and marks you as a dick.

It's bad enough to act that way on the street or if you're a sociopath who conned his way into public office. But it really doesn't have a place on a forum that exists to help aspiring doctors. The mod who banned Consigliere wasn't wrong to do so.

I'm sorry. I do like you, and you know it, but here you're thinking like a bureaucrat, by taking the side of the lazy genius who permanently banned a senior member. Nobody denies that Consigliere needed a cool-down period, but there is a HUGE difference between a temporary and a permanent ban. Because the latter will just alienate the user, and make him never return. While it would have been so EASY to just suspend the user temporarily and then confine him to Anesthesiology only.

Bureaucracy is fine in a professional (especially corporate) environment, but not on a forum that's non-profit and that's actually built on the work of frequent posters. If a forum owner or administrator can't treat those people with respect, and a degree of gratefulness for past contributions, then there is little difference between that person and a capitalistic lowlife like Zuckerberg. One doesn't just throw friends away when one doesn't need them anymore, or when they stop performing, or become a "liability".

Because, in that concept, there is almost ZERO difference between somebody who posts here and somebody who has a professional interaction in the real world. In which case, why the **** (that's the F word in all caps) would anybody waste time here? If one wants professional interactions, one should go where they actually pay one for it. If one wants to be policed for one's speech, one should just go on Twitter or Facebook etc. and not waste time here. By giving advice on medtwitter or a blog, professionally, one can actually build up a CV, and consequently a bank account.

If one cannot just have fun and vent here, and even occasionally make a faux-pas, among FRIENDS, then this is an absolute waste of time that only benefits the takers, the people who have nothing valuable to say (or don't want to), and the owners of the BUSINESS. Because let's call the spade a spade.

And while I understand that one needs rules on a forum with many thousands of members, one should not apply them equally to everybody, because everybody's contribution is much different, and there is a minority of people who actually contribute and GIVE here, versus the many TAKERS.

And while Consigliere's contributions may be debatable, especially to the "anesthesia is the greatest specialty on Earth" crowd, to losers like me he was a breath of fresh and REAL air, confirming that I was not hallucinating, and that my reality was not unique, back when only few of us dissented from the majority opinion, and complained about the CRNAs and corporate medicine.

And if it were a rare exception, maybe I would care less. But the forum is going down on a very slippery slope here. There is a reason some sections (like Anesthesiology or EM) are worth something professionally, while many others are just full of blind leading the blind, and little useful information. Good luck with the Cultural Revolution, but I won't be surprised if a good number of the oldies (and goldies) won't want to be part of it.

P.S. I am not some old baby boomer who just can't understand the younger generations. I just remember how a normal friendly place is supposed to be.

 

[deleted171991]

A certain level of politeness and decorum is never wrong.

The last president called a bunch of African countries ****holes. He wasn't entirely wrong in that assessment, but rightness or wrongness didn't matter as much as how unhelpfully dickish it was to say it.

If a fat ugly woman is crossing the street, you don't run up and shout "YOU'RE FAT AND UGLY" at her. It doesn't matter that it's true. It might even be funny to bystanders. They might post a clip of it on Facebook and garner a lot of likes. But it's still unhelpful in any way and marks you as a dick.

It's bad enough to act that way on the street or if you're a sociopath who conned his way into public office. But it really doesn't have a place on a forum that exists to help aspiring doctors. The mod who banned Consigliere wasn't wrong to do so.

To answer your question: yes, in a normal world, especially in a friendly gathering, you can run up and shout that they are FAT and UGLY (especially if true). It's not nice or wise or recommended, but it can happen, and people's heads don't get cut off for it.

You know what will (and should) happen? The other person will shout back "YOU"RE EVEN FATTER AND UGLIER". That's exactly what a lot of us used to do on this section, in the usual dick measuring contests. And if the person persists in the "drunken" behavior, they are sent away to cool down for a while.

This place can't be the local pub (e.g. Anesthesiology, traditionally) and a conference room (most of SDN, slowly Anesthesiology too) at the same time. Nobody valuable gives a crap about wasting their spare time in a conference room, for free. Where's the fun in that, fatso? 🍺

 

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Man, the arc of history always comes around. I said this in 2019 about our resident intellectual darkweb wannabe misanthrope and he denied it vehemently:

"I wish you'd just admit that you're anti- all the things you consider "PC" cause in part you wish you could just go around being a codgery jerk to anyone you want without facing any consequences"

And nowadays, in his view, going around needlessly calling people fat and ugly or whatever other insult du jour is to be considered a feature - not a bug.

 

[vector2]

I'll be the first to admit that I have gotten down into the mud with some of the worst of them, sometimes needlessly, but I'll be damned if I'll ever pretend that calling names was ever absolutely essential to making a cogent, persuasive argument or to making the SDN forums a worthwhile place to post.

 

[deleted171991]

Man, the arc of history always comes around. I said this in 2019 about our resident intellectual darkweb wannabe misanthrope and he denied it vehemently:

"I wish you'd just admit that you're anti- all the things you consider "PC" cause in part you wish you could just go around being a codgery jerk to anyone you want without facing any consequences"

And nowadays, in his view, going around needlessly calling people fat and ugly or whatever other insult du jour is to be considered a feature - not a bug.

I am just following your example and leadership.

What better example (than you) of a user who constantly insults and calls other people names, who constantly seeks conflict and scandal (aka bullies people), without punishment? Thank you for showing up and making my argument. But, hey, Consigliere (who couldn't hold a candle to your sins) needed to be banned. Yeah, sure.

I mean just look how you are AGAIN trying to turn a thread about Consigliere into an ad hominem scandal about me. But we are all in danger from Consigliere, not from you.

 

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I am just following your example and leadership.

Nah. Don’t try to justify your med student/resident bullying and your “I should be able to needlessly call people fat and ugly” ethos with a comparison to my historical rebuff of vulgar/extreme trump trolls and obvious xenophobes.

 

[DirtDocMD]

I'll be the first to admit that I have gotten down into the mud with some of the worst of them, sometimes needlessly, but I'll be damned if I'll ever pretend that calling names was ever absolutely essential to making a cogent, persuasive argument or to making the SDN forums a worthwhile place to post.

Amazing to me that Consigliere can get banned, but someone that routinely turns threads into cut-and-paste a-thons, moves goalposts, creates strawman arguments, and even calls people “****head”, continues to have an active role in this forum. Guess you gotta have the right political persuasion, or be “buds” with the mods, and then it’s all a-ok....

 

[deleted171991]

Nah. Don’t try to justify your med student/resident bullying and your “I should be able to needlessly call people fat and ugly” ethos with a comparison to my historical rebuff of vulgar/extreme trump trolls and obvious xenophobes.

You are the best justice warrior since Xena. 🏆

 

[vector2]

Amazing to me that Consigliere can get banned, but someone that routinely turns threads into cut-and-paste a-thons, moves goalposts, creates strawman arguments, and even calls people “****head”, continues to have an active role in this forum. Guess you gotta have the right political persuasion, or be “buds” with the mods, and then it’s all a-ok....

Did you maybe miss the 15 different occasions where someone pointed out that moderation strictness varies across sub forums?

Also, LMFAO, your characterization of my posting is pure projection on an astronomically hilarious level.

 

[vector2]

Me: “I wish you'd just admit that you're anti- all the things you consider "PC" cause in part you wish you could just go around being a codgery jerk to anyone you want without facing any consequences"

You: “You are the best justice warrior since Xena. 🏆”

QED

 

[deleted171991]

Did you maybe miss the 15 different occasions where someone pointed out that moderation strictness varies across sub forums?

Also, LMFAO, your characterization of my posting is pure projection on an astronomically hilarious level.

No, buddy, it's how you come across, outside of your echo chamber.

Now let's get back to Consigliere, shall we?

 

[DirtDocMD]

Do you EVER just STFU and LISTEN?? Everyone who reads this sub-forum has seen your multipage diatribes and cut and paste a-thons, your crap-stirring, and your never ending quest to “have the last word” or “put someone in their place”. Check my post history. I’ve been off here for MONTHS, because, quite frankly, I, like many others, grew tired of listening to your self-righteous **** (excrement with a capital S).

It is annoying, narcissistic, and unnecessary.

 

[vector2]

No, buddy, it's how you come across.

Now let's get back to Consigliere, shall we?

Believe me, after your heel turn you having an unfavorable impression of my posting is a net positive.


But anyway, what was Consigliere even defending when he got out of line on another subforum?

As I pointed out, his post and its verbiage became the story and a gazillion irrelevant posts later *it is still distracting from the ultimate point which is that NP’s are not qualified to be independent providers, even in primary care*

 

[DirtDocMD]

Did you maybe miss the 15 different occasions where someone pointed out that moderation strictness varies across sub forums?

Also, LMFAO, your characterization of my posting is pure projection on an astronomically hilarious level.

Do you EVER just STFU and LISTEN?? Everyone who reads this sub-forum has seen your multipage diatribes and cut and paste a-thons, your crap-stirring, and your never ending quest to “have the last word” or “put someone in their place”. Check my post history. I’ve been off here for MONTHS, because, quite frankly, I, like many others, grew tired of listening to your self-righteous **** (excrement with a capital S).

It is annoying, narcissistic, and unnecessary.

 

[vector2]

Do you EVER just STFU and LISTEN?? Everyone who reads this sub-forum has seen your multipage diatribes and cut and paste a-thons, your crap-stirring, and your never ending quest to “have the last word” or “put someone in their place”. Check my post history. I’ve been off here for MONTHS, because, quite frankly, I, like many others, grew tired of listening to your self-righteous **** (excrement with a capital S).

It is annoying, narcissistic, and unnecessary.

Don’t worry, deep breath, calm yourself. I have it on good authority he’s gonna run again in ‘24.

 

[DirtDocMD]

Here’s a hint. People don’t hate you because they’re racist, or xenophobic, or because they have different political beliefs than you. It’s just because you exhibit azzwhole behavior.

Who brought politics up in this thread?? Again, you always gotta change the subject. The last several comments are about YOUR personal behavior, NOT anyone’s political beliefs.

The fact that you can’t get the “hint”, speaks VOLUMES....

 

[DirtDocMD]

Don’t worry, deep breath, calm yourself. I have it on good authority he’s gonna run again in ‘24.

Here’s a hint. People don’t hate you because they’re racist, or xenophobic, or because they have different political beliefs than you. It’s just because you exhibit azzwhole behavior.

Who brought politics up in this thread?? Again, you always gotta change the subject. The last several comments are about YOUR personal behavior, NOT anyone’s political beliefs.

The fact that you can’t get the “hint”, speaks VOLUMES....

 

[vector2]

Here’s a hint. People don’t hate you because they’re racist, or xenophobic, or because they have different political beliefs than you. It’s just because you exhibit azzwhole behavior.

Who brought politics up in this thread?? Again, you always gotta change the subject. The last several comments are about YOUR personal behavior, NOT anyone’s political beliefs.

The fact that you can’t get the “hint”, speaks VOLUMES....

Buddy, I’ll be honest- unlike with FFP who I have a long history with I can’t even remember any of the exchanges we’ve had, nor do I recall you having much of a real clinical contribution to this forum, so uh....if you gotta “hate” me and pretend you got a big hate crowd on board with ya then you just keep on truckin’ god bless

 

[deleted171991]

Believe me, after your heel turn you having an unfavorable impression of my posting is a net positive.


But anyway, what was Consigliere even defending when he got out of line on another subforum?

As I pointed out, his post and its verbiage became the story and a gazillion irrelevant posts later *it is still distracting from the ultimate point which is that NP’s are not qualified to be independent providers, even in primary care*

What I am saying is that the practice of just universally banning users who are senior members of other subforums is LAZY. Worst case scenario, one could just confine them to their usual section.

I am with one foot out of here, really, but still I would hate losing more oldies to ban or burnout. It's not just Consigliere. It's also JobsFan, and sb247, and others. It's not because I agreed with what they said or how they said it (sometimes I didn't), it's because they made conversations more interesting and possibly educational.

 

[vector2]

What I am saying is that the practice of just universally banning users who are senior members of other subforums is LAZY. Worst case scenario, one could just confine them to their usual section.

I have no reason to doubt pgg when he says “multiple moderators on multiple occasions over multiple years talked to him in threads, by PM, and eventually via the warning and post-hold system.”

It wasn’t 1 strike, it wasn’t 3 strikes, it was innumerable strikes over numerous years. It wasn’t LAZY. Consig merely insisted in a purposeful fashion on ignoring rules repeatedly, and it finally caught up with him. Could there be a better system like subforum confinement? Sure. But that doesn’t absolve Consig of responsibility.

 

[DirtDocMD]

Buddy, I’ll be honest- unlike with FFP who I have a long history with I can’t even remember any of the exchanges we’ve had, nor do I recall you having much of a real clinical contribution to this forum, so uh....if you gotta “hate” me and pretend you got a big hate crowd on board with ya then you just keep on truckin’ god bless

Ohhhhh!! I gotta be on here for 10 years, and put up with constant haranguing from you (ala FFP and Blade) before I’m “worthy” of pointing out the behavior you’re known for, here. Got it. Keep on acting like your behavior is on a better “level” than Consigliere.

You’re too “good” or got too much “seniority” to take crap from the “little people”... Rock on, Mr. Important....

 

[deleted171991]

I have no reason to doubt pgg when he says “multiple moderators on multiple occasions over multiple years talked to him in threads, by PM, and eventually via the warning and post-hold system.”

It wasn’t 1 strike, it wasn’t 3 strikes, it was innumerable strikes over numerous years. It wasn’t LAZY. Consig merely insisted in a purposeful fashion on ignoring rules repeatedly, and it finally caught up with him. Could there be a better system like subforum confinement? Sure. But that doesn’t absolve Consig of responsibility.

Of course. Then ban him for a month. If he does it again, another month. He'll learn.

And, as I said, worst case scenario, restrict him to Anesthesiology. Is this forum really better without him?

 

[vector2]

Of course. Then ban him for a month. If he does it again, another month. He'll learn.

And, as I said, worst case scenario, restrict him to Anesthesiology. Is this forum really better without him?

I don’t know the nitty gritty of the warnings he received, but apparently he wasn’t learning since he insisted on purposefully ignoring what the mods were saying over and over. Of course we can’t be sure, but he didn’t exactly have the personality that learns their lesson after a “timeout”

And as for whether the forum is better without him, I’m not really sure, but what I can say is that it’s not materially worse, at least with regard to his recent posting which was 100% doom and gloom and nothing else. There are plenty of people other than him (including myself) who carry his main torch of warning med students away from anesthesiology (or at least making sure their eyes are open)

 

[deleted171991]

I don’t know the nitty gritty of the warnings he received, but apparently he wasn’t learning since he insisted on purposefully ignoring what the mods were saying over and over. Of course we can’t be sure, but he didn’t exactly have the personality that learns their lesson after a “timeout”

And as for whether the forum is better without him, I’m not really sure, but what I can say is that it’s not materially worse. There are plenty of people other than him (including myself) who carry his main torch of warning med students away from anesthesiology (or at least making sure their eyes are open)

In the big scheme, none of us is irreplaceable. Still, to me, SDN Anesthesiology is a specific set of members (and moderators) I have come to appreciate and enjoy during the years.

Though I haven't checked, I am sure he didn't only post about the Eagles and hating CRNAs.

I can also get the part where he couldn't care less about being judged by some SDN moderator half his age, let's not mention the probable difference in their financial worth. Still I want to have those old school PP people around, not just corporate drones like myself.

I am sticking to my opinion that a permanent universal ban is just lazy (in his case). It makes me feel like SDN is just another big faceless soulless capitalist corporation.

 

[vector2]

Though I haven't checked, I am sure he didn't only post about the Eagles and hating CRNAs.

I haven't checked either, but the fact that exactly those two sole topics came to my mind as well says something IMHO about the likelihood that that was, in fact, all he was running his gums about in recent times. Having old school PP guys around is great- but when they've degenerated into curmudgeonly broken records then their warnings are infinitely less effective.

And while you sympathize with the fact that Consig could not have cared less about deferring to a moderator half his age, I chuckle at the irony that you don't appreciate that SDN ultimately didn't cater to someone who thought he was a unique snowflake worthy of special treatment.

 

[deleted697127]

I lurked on this forum for years before posting. There has always been an invaluable amount of information about how to get into medical school, what to prioritize once you’re in, how to study more efficiently, how to overcome common problems with classes and rotations, how to pick what specialty is right for you, how to get in to residency, the difference between programs, applying for jobs after residency, what the job market is like in different parts of the country, in addition to a lot of clinically useful discussion.

People will remind me there was arguing with Obamacare well before Trump. But the constant politicizing of everything and lack of respect between posters has definitely grown. Posters that have provided years of wisdom in their specialty have been treated like they’re clinically senile after taking political sides in unrelated threads.

Dont bother saying anything negative even if true about programs, midlevels, or even unethical schools. You’re risking retaliation and for what? You can be absolutely certain the posts will be taken down.

No negativity. No realism. Just pure optimism around here. You think these discussions just go away because they’re silenced on this forum? I wonder if SDN even realizes it’s in the process of being dethroned by discord, Reddit, doximity, and medscape.

 

[GassYous]

I lurked on this forum for years before posting. There has always been an invaluable amount of information about how to get into medical school, what to prioritize once you’re in, how to study more efficiently, how to overcome common problems with classes and rotations, how to pick what specialty is right for you, how to get in to residency, the difference between programs, applying for jobs after residency, what the job market is like in different parts of the country, in addition to a lot of clinically useful discussion.

People will remind me there was arguing with Obamacare well before Trump. But the constant politicizing of everything and lack of respect between posters has definitely grown. Posters that have provided years of wisdom in their specialty have been treated like they’re clinically senile after taking political sides in unrelated threads.

Dont bother saying anything negative even if true about programs, midlevels, or even unethical schools. You’re risking retaliation and for what? You can be absolutely certain the posts will be taken down.

No negativity. No realism. Just pure optimism around here. You think these discussions just go away because they’re silenced on this forum? I wonder if SDN even realizes it’s in the process of being dethroned by discord, Reddit, doximity, and medscape.

As long as millennials have their safe space to kumbaya everyone is equal blah blah blah before their job is made redundant by a midlevel sdn is happy

 

[vector2]

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Dont bother saying anything negative even if true about ......, midlevels..... . You’re risking retaliation and for what? You can be absolutely certain the posts will be taken down.

Why do people keep saying this and/or framing what happened to Consig this way?

Again- he didn't get banned for saying something negative about midlevels. He got banned for vulgarly insulting a 10yr+ physician member of SDN on another subforum that doesn't put up with the same slinging that we do here. That other member may have had it coming with his delusional claims, but Consig thought begging for forgiveness was better than asking for permission. That strategy doesn't always work out in the long term.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

Amazing to me that Consigliere can get banned, but someone that routinely turns threads into cut-and-paste a-thons, moves goalposts, creates strawman arguments, and even calls people “****head”, continues to have an active role in this forum. Guess you gotta have the right political persuasion, or be “buds” with the mods, and then it’s all a-ok....

Not true. If you aren't happy with a post, report it. The area mods will review it and often other SDN mods review it as well. The pearl-clutching over Consigliere is a bit dramatic though. He must have wanted to get banned because he kept on pushing the limit and pushing buttons right up until the very end.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

These days the more honest the post the more likely the woke/liberal/lefties will ban you. Free Speech isn't what it used to be these days.

lol you do know that SDN is not the government right?

What does Liz Cheney have to say about the cancel culture anyway?

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Amazing to me that Consigliere can get banned, but someone that routinely turns threads into cut-and-paste a-thons, moves goalposts, creates strawman arguments, and even calls people “****head”, continues to have an active role in this forum. Guess you gotta have the right political persuasion, or be “buds” with the mods, and then it’s all a-ok....

What happens here is only a microcosm of what is going on all around us in the non-SDN world we live in day to day.

 

[Southpaw]

What happens here is only a microcosm of what is going on all around us in the non-SDN world we live in day to day.

agree. See Cheney/Stefanik for a prime example.

 

[vector2]

agree. She Cheney/Stefanik for a prime example.

The vast, vast majority of people complain about cancel culture only when something they care about is getting canceled. Because people, by nature, are self-interested. It's as simple as that. @BLADEMDA and all the other conservatives should be howling about what's happening to Cheney, who, if nothing else, is a through and through bonafide conservative, but yet they simply can't help but ignore the canceling on their side in favor of perseverating about woke and lefties and whatever other buzzword.... because it's always "my team" vs "your team"

 

[DirtDocMD]

The vast, vast majority of people complain about cancel culture only when something they care about is getting canceled. Because people, by nature, are self-interested. It's as simple as that. @BLADEMDA and all the other conservatives should be howling about what's happening to Cheney, who, if nothing else, is a through and through bonafide conservative, but yet they simply can't help but ignore the canceling on their side in favor of perseverating about woke and lefties and whatever other buzzword.... because it's always "my team" vs "your team"

Cheney is not a “bonafide conservative”. She’s a RINO warmonger, much like her daddy.

She was ELECTED to conform to certain “principles”. YOU may not like those principles. I may not like those principles. However, she was ELECTED to do certain things, NOT to be a “free thinker”. She is NOT a comedian, a musician, an “entertainer”, or an “average citizen”, etc.

She’s not there to give HER personal opinion. She’s an elected official, who is ELECTED to represent the opinions of her VOTERS and her PARTY. If she’s not going to do that, then, yes, she gets “cancelled” in an election, or “cancelled” by losing committee assignments/etc, in the interim.

The fact that you guys can’t discern between a politician, elected to adhere to voters’ wishes and party platforms, and an ANESTHESIOLOGIST, who is simply throwing an opinion out there, once again shows folks’ inability to discuss ANYTHING, without trying to turn it into a “political discussion”.

I look forward to your inevitable response, in which you scream “Trumper/racist/xenophobe/Blade”.....

Give it a rest....

 

[Southpaw]

Cheney is not a “bonafide conservative”. She’s a RINO warmonger, much like her daddy.

She was ELECTED to conform to certain “principles”. YOU may not like those principles. I may not like those principles. However, she was ELECTED to do certain things, NOT to be a “free thinker”. She is NOT a comedian, a musician, an “entertainer”, or an “average citizen”, etc.

She’s not there to give HER personal opinion. She’s an elected official, who is ELECTED to represent the opinions of her VOTERS and her PARTY. If she’s not going to do that, then, yes, she gets “cancelled” in an election, or “cancelled” by losing committee assignments/etc, in the interim.

The fact that you guys can’t discern between a politician, elected to adhere to voters’ wishes and party platforms, and an ANESTHESIOLOGIST, who is simply throwing an opinion out there, once again shows folks’ inability to discuss ANYTHING, without trying to turn it into a “political discussion”.

I look forward to your inevitable response, in which you scream “Trumper/racist/xenophobe/Blade”.....

Give it a rest....

there’s no issue with the discernment. The topic of cancel culture and wokeism was broached. Cheney/Stefanik is a good example.

Propublica says Cheney and Stefanik vote in common 91% of the time. If Cheney isn’t conservative neither is Stefanik. Stefanik voted against Trumps Tax Cuts and Jobs Act in 2017.

Cheney is losing her position not because of her record, but because she’s vocal against Trump. And Trump owns the Republican Party. She’s being cancelled - clear and simple.

oh yeah, Cheney hasn’t lost an election. Matter of fact she’s won her races against fellow Republicans easily. She’s being canceled by her fellow Repub house members because of her anti-Trump verbiage and her vote to impeach Trump.

 

[chessknt]

Cheney is not a “bonafide conservative”. She’s a RINO warmonger, much like her daddy.

She was ELECTED to conform to certain “principles”. YOU may not like those principles. I may not like those principles. However, she was ELECTED to do certain things, NOT to be a “free thinker”. She is NOT a comedian, a musician, an “entertainer”, or an “average citizen”, etc.

She’s not there to give HER personal opinion. She’s an elected official, who is ELECTED to represent the opinions of her VOTERS and her PARTY. If she’s not going to do that, then, yes, she gets “cancelled” in an election, or “cancelled” by losing committee assignments/etc, in the interim.

The fact that you guys can’t discern between a politician, elected to adhere to voters’ wishes and party platforms, and an ANESTHESIOLOGIST, who is simply throwing an opinion out there, once again shows folks’ inability to discuss ANYTHING, without trying to turn it into a “political discussion”.

I look forward to your inevitable response, in which you scream “Trumper/racist/xenophobe/Blade”.....

Give it a rest....

I for one am curious as to what republican principles she failed to conform to and what war she was mongering.

 

[deleted126335]

Cheney is not a “bonafide conservative”. She’s a RINO warmonger, much like her daddy.

She was ELECTED to conform to certain “principles”. YOU may not like those principles. I may not like those principles. However, she was ELECTED to do certain things, NOT to be a “free thinker”. She is NOT a comedian, a musician, an “entertainer”, or an “average citizen”, etc.

She’s not there to give HER personal opinion. She’s an elected official, who is ELECTED to represent the opinions of her VOTERS and her PARTY. If she’s not going to do that, then, yes, she gets “cancelled” in an election, or “cancelled” by losing committee assignments/etc, in the interim.

The fact that you guys can’t discern between a politician, elected to adhere to voters’ wishes and party platforms,

"Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion."

Edmund Burke

By your logic we just just govern by opinion polls.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

agree. See Cheney/Stefanik for a prime example.

Wow, you ignored thousands of obvious examples and found something obscure to back your narrative. Impressive 🙄

 

[Southpaw]

Wow, you ignored thousands of obvious examples and found something obscure to back your narrative. Impressive 🙄

If by examples you mean ones on the left, then by all means list them. I’ll happily agree.

however, the narrative here is that cancel culture and wokeism are only problems on the left. The reality is it’s a problem everywhere in America. Left and right.

 

[DirtDocMD]

I for one am curious as to what republican principles she failed to conform to and what war she was mongering.

Her own state party has sanctioned her, and the opinion polls of her own Wyoming electorate are WAY underwater.

Again, nice try in attempting to equate an “elected official”, elected to pass public policy and conform to certain public opinion in her district, with an ANESTHESIOLOGIST voicing his personal opinion on an internet forum.

That’s quite a leap....