Risk of acceptance rescind

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radiologyology said:
Showing that you can own up to mistakes (including lying) is a huge sign of maturity. Don't lie or try and cut corners. Just tell the truth.
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I made up my mind.. The question now is do I call or so I go in person? It's a local school.
 
STEMI patient said:
She said I just want to bring your attention to the fact that the schools did not show up on our system! Maybe you need to call them and ask why?

I said I withdrew my acceptance from two and one I will check with

She said it's okay I'm letting you know for your own sake.

And then we talk about financial aid and hunt up

I don't know if they will let go. Even in that case I still don't feel comfortable not owing up to it...
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If she really said *for your own sake* don't worry about it. This whole issue is a nonstarter if they really didn't care on their end (which it sounds like they don't.) Just let it die.
 
NachoPlatter said:
If she really said *for your own sake* don't worry about it. This whole issue is a nonstarter if they really didn't care on their end (which it sounds like they don't.) Just let it die.
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Now go drink a glass of water, relax, and enjoy your summer ^^. Congratulations on your acceptance to medical school, doctor.
 
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STEMI patient said:
She said I just want to bring your attention to the fact that the schools did not show up on our system! Maybe you need to call them and ask why?

I said I withdrew my acceptance from two and one I will check with

She said it's okay I'm letting you know for your own sake.

And then we talk about financial aid and hunt up

I don't know if they will let go. Even in that case I still don't feel comfortable not owing up to it...
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From that conversation, I would just never bring it up again unless they specifically ask. Chances are it will go away. However, if they do ask, just be honest.

If I had to guess, they may be determining your financial aid based on competing offers, which is why they care so much. If they saw you got into some competitive schools, they might throw some money your way. Worst case scenario though, the lying could be seen as a ploy to get scholarship money.
 
I honestly fail to see why this is anybodies business other than your own. I see no reason why medical schools should have the right to know where else you were accepted. It sounds like the person who called you was just trying to help you out. I do not think that you are under any obligation to call them and explain yourself. I am not saying that it was a good thing to lie, but I don't think this is that big of a deal.
 
Incis0r said:
Seconded. The fact that she moved on to financial aid proves that she didn't care much about the issue.. Looks like the waters are settling. no need to rough them up again, especially since there was no bad intent on your part...bringing it up again would just stir the hornet's nest...would get them worried, would make you worried, and eventually everything would be resolved...but why go through all that trouble and waste both of your time in such a manner?

In the future, don't be tempted to go with the crowd if it means betraying your conscience. This was a harmless mistake, but it sprung from a harmful trait. Destroy the harmful part of you which insists on fitting in with what everyone says. Otherwise, you could make much larger and irreparable mistakes.

Now go drink a glass of water, relax, and enjoy your summer ^^. Congratulations on your acceptance to medical school, doctor.
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Incis0r said:
Seconded. The fact that she moved on to financial aid proves that she didn't care much about the issue.. Looks like the waters are settling. no need to rough them up again, especially since there was no bad intent on your part...bringing it up again would just stir the hornet's nest...would get them worried, would make you worried, and eventually everything would be resolved...but why go through all that trouble and waste both of your time in such a manner/get so stressed?

In the future, don't be tempted to go with the crowd if it means betraying your conscience. This was a harmless mistake, but it sprung from a harmful trait. Destroy the harmful part of you which insists on fitting in with what everyone says when that little voice in your head says no. Always be 100% honest. You will occupy a position of high trust in society. Never compromise it. Otherwise, you could make much larger and irreparable mistakes.

Now go drink a glass of water, relax, and enjoy your summer ^^. Congratulations on your acceptance to medical school, doctor.
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Hahahah you can tell how tense I am. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
 
Bethany555 said:
From that conversation, I would just never bring it up again unless they specifically ask. Chances are it will go away. However, if they do ask, just be honest.

If I had to guess, they may be determining your financial aid based on competing offers, which is why they care so much. If they saw you got into some competitive schools, they might throw some money your way. Worst case scenario, the lying could be seen as a ploy to get scholarship money.
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ERK123 said:
I honestly fail to see why this is anybodies business other than your own. I see no reason why medical schools should have the right to know where else you were accepted. It sounds like the person who called you was just trying to help you out. I do not think that you are under any obligation to call them and explain yourself. I am not saying that it was a good thing to lie, but I don't think this is that big of a deal.
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Lol This isn't the NBA draft. It is more likely that they are trying to get a rough estimate on how many seats they definitely have filled so far.
 
gyngyn said:
In this situation, I would absolutely call my DO colleagues now that there is the appearance of impropriety. The cover-up lie would be cause for rescindment even if the thoughtless lie were not.
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Out of curiosity, what would your DO colleague be able to check? As far as I know, DO schools have no way of knowing where else their students hold acceptances.
 
This is odd. Did the staff member look up EVERYONE he talked to that day to see if they really were accepted where they said they were? Why did he look up yours? Perhaps you said Harvard, johns hopkins, and stanford? Why does he care? Also, why would he go to the trouble of "telling on you" to the admissions committee? Odd that he would feel it necessary to even verify your other acceptances in the first place and then go thru so much investigation.
 
sozme said:
Lol This isn't the NBA draft. It is more likely that they are trying to get a rough estimate on how many seats they definitely have filled so far.
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Yeah, you are probably right. I just bring up the possibility, since some of my friends got zero to little aid prior to second look, but after mentioning they got X scholarship from X school, they were bumped up. However, they all explicitly asked for more money, so it is probably not OP's case.
 
amad01 said:
This is odd. Did the staff member look up EVERYONE he talked to that day to see if they really were accepted where they said they were? Why did he look up yours? Perhaps you said Harvard, johns hopkins, and stanford? Why does he care? Also, why would he go to the trouble of "telling on you" to the admissions committee? Odd that he would feel it necessary to even verify your other acceptances in the first place and then go thru so much investigation.
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Perhaps OP said Stanvard, Johns Harkins, and Hopford.
 
amad01 said:
This is odd. Did the staff member look up EVERYONE he talked to that day to see if they really were accepted where they said they were? Why did he look up yours? Perhaps you said Harvard, johns hopkins, and stanford? Why does he care? Also, why would he go to the trouble of "telling on you" to the admissions committee? Odd that he would feel it necessary to even verify your other acceptances in the first place and then go thru so much investigation.
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It was not like students were talking openly about their acceptances with everybody. They might have checked on the other students as well. I said Dartmouth as one. Rejected obviously.
 
STEMI patient said:
She said I just want to bring your attention to the fact that the schools did not show up on our system! Maybe you need to call them and ask why?

I said I withdrew my acceptance from two and one I will check with

She said it's okay I'm letting you know for your own sake.

And then we talk about financial aid and hunt up

I don't know if they will let go. Even in that case I still don't feel comfortable not owing up to it...
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Hmm, seeing this now makes me wonder if it is worth bringing up again. As others have said it does not sound like the admissions people are really pursuing anything, and were really just giving you a heads up more than anything else. If you are determined to own up to it I would just call. Showing up in person makes this a bigger deal than it has to be.

amad01 said:
This is odd. Did the staff member look up EVERYONE he talked to that day to see if they really were accepted where they said they were? Why did he look up yours? Perhaps you said Harvard, johns hopkins, and stanford? Why does he care? Also, why would he go to the trouble of "telling on you" to the admissions committee? Odd that he would feel it necessary to even verify your other acceptances in the first place and then go thru so much investigation.
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It may be that this admissions person was personally involved in screening his application/recently was reviewing his info for financial aid stuff etc... I'm guessing it was more of a coincidence that the admin knew about the applicants situation rather than some kind of in depth examination of every accepted person's comments.
 
If it was a "Hmm, this isn't in our database like it should be" may have one think that it's a database issue.

BUT, we've caught people in lies before, and it's a death sentence.

Let's suppose that you're interviewing someone who tells you that they most recently shadowed Dr X. YOU, Dr Tired, actually know Dr X. You press the interviewee on this and realize that, "wait a minute, he's lying through his teeth about Dr X".

Are you going to chalk this up to a stupid and immature mistake because he's young and stressed?????????????

As I have pointed out repeatedly in these forums, dishonest doctors start out as dishonest students.



Tired said:
Yes.

But would you pursue this? The way the conversation was described, it doesn't sound like something they gave a second thought to after it was discussed.

We have all made stupid and immature mistakes when we were young and stressed. Not every action is indicative of an underlying character defect.

"Owning up to it" sounds good in theory, but likely makes a relatively minor issue into a full-blown "professionalism" issue. Personally I would say nothing, live with the shame, and hope no one ever remembers it. If it were brought up later, I would be forthright and say that I was scared and stressed and felt inadequate, so the lie slipped off my tongue. In my experience, trying to do more in situations like this tends to just make things worse. But that's just me.
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Yes
Goro said:
If it was a "Hmm, this isn't in our database like it should be" may have one think that it's a database issue.

BUT, we've caught people in lies before, and it's a death sentence.

Let's suppose that you're interviewing someone who tells you that they most recently shadowed Dr X. YOU, Dr Tired, actually know Dr X. You press the interviewee on this and realize that, "wait a minute, he's lying through his teeth about Dr X".

Are you going to chalk this up to a stupid and immature mistake because he's young and stressed?????????????

As I have pointed out repeatedly in these forums, dishonest doctors start out as dishonest students.
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Yes you made that clear already. I'm not here to debate that. I'm here to ask for advise, I erred and I want redeem myself. Now whatever they decide is irrelevant, that I can't have control over.
 
Tired said:
Yes.

But would you pursue this? The way the conversation was described, it doesn't sound like something they gave a second thought to after it was discussed.

We have all made stupid and immature mistakes when we were young and stressed. Not every action is indicative of an underlying character defect.

"Owning up to it" sounds good in theory, but likely makes a relatively minor issue into a full-blown "professionalism" issue. Personally I would say nothing, live with the shame, and hope no one ever remembers it. If it were brought up later, I would be forthright and say that I was scared and stressed and felt inadequate, so the lie slipped off my tongue. In my experience, trying to do more in situations like this tends to just make things worse. But that's just me.
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"The lie slipped off my tongue" hahahahaaaaaaaaa omg
 
It sounds like this wasn't a case where someone asked a yes-or-no question and in a moment of panic or confusion you picked the lie. You actually made up a story and told it. And then when confronted about it, you added to the story with more fake details.

If you don't address this again on your own, and this person verifies that you lied, it could end up very bad for you. You were already confronted and given a chance to come clean, and instead you compounded your lie. I guarantee you if they bring it up again, it's going to be with bad news.
 
Goro said:
If it was a "Hmm, this isn't in our database like it should be" may have one think that it's a database issue.

BUT, we've caught people in lies before, and it's a death sentence.

Let's suppose that you're interviewing someone who tells you that they most recently shadowed Dr X. YOU, Dr Tired, actually know Dr X. You press the interviewee on this and realize that, "wait a minute, he's lying through his teeth about Dr X".

Are you going to chalk this up to a stupid and immature mistake because he's young and stressed?????????????

As I have pointed out repeatedly in these forums, dishonest doctors start out as dishonest students.
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In your example the student is lying about their own resume. I don't see how this situation is very comparable. Why is a medical school entitled to know about your other options?
 
STEMI patient said:
She said I just want to bring your attention to the fact that the schools did not show up on our system! Maybe you need to call them and ask why?

I said I withdrew my acceptance from two and one I will check with

She said it's okay I'm letting you know for your own sake.

And then we talk about financial aid and hunt up

I don't know if they will let go. Even in that case I still don't feel comfortable not owing up to it...
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If they ask again, just admit you lied because you were embarrassed about being the only one that didn't get into multiple schools. I think the worst that will happen is that admissions will laugh at you.
 
It's a dumb thing to do. But, it's well-known and tested that humans will go to great lengths to fit in. Just tell them the truth - that you felt inadequate that you seemed to be the only one without other acceptances and felt pressured to say that you had received other acceptances. Acknowledge that there aren't excuses to justify this and that it was wrong, but that it made you to realize the hard way that truthfulness is more important than fitting in.

It still won't look good on you, but at least they'd see that you have the stones to own up to it, at least when called out. It's important to remember that covering up one lie can take much more effort and heartache than just being embarrassed over the truth. If I'm tempted to lie, I take a moment to try and imagine the messes I could get myself into by telling it, which generally isn't too hard to do! Even if your morality experiences a moment of weakness, appealing to your tendency for self-interest usually is enough to talk yourself out of lying, at least in my experience.
 
STEMI patient said:
I hate to have worked so hard and so long for this and lose it because I felt inferior in front of other students. Sad
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You were walking and talking among the students that were accepted at the same institution. Obviously the medical school thought that you ALL were determined, competent, and motivated to be future physicians!! Why would you feel bad in a situation like this?

I think it was probably your own ego at fault here. I'd say this is definitely a wake up call. Trust me, you WILL have gunners in medical school (those competing for AOA, top 25%, etc.) and if you breakdown and have to invent stories to justify yourself being there, you're going to make your life a living hell 🙁

Just chill, call the admissions office and tell them that you felt pressurized to "fit-in" but now you have learned another valuable lesson to draw your future experiences upon.

Best,
 
I called!

Op: what the system shows is accurate. I don't hold any acceptances as for now.

Ad officer: oh no problem. It could be an alternate list.

Op: I just wanted to clarify any misrepresentation on my part

As officer: no worries at all. Thanks for call.
 
And there ya go!

Learn from this!

STEMI patient said:
I called!

Op: what the system shows is accurate. I don't hold any acceptances as for now.

Ad officer: oh no problem. It could be an alternate list.

Op: I just wanted to clarify any misrepresentation on my part

As officer: no worries at all. Thanks for call.
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Good for you. I really believe that holding ourselves accountable for mistakes is one of the biggest ways we grow as people. When you start letting yourself get away with ethical transgressions, it becomes easier to commit them in the future.
 
STEMI patient said:
I called!

Op: what the system shows is accurate. I don't hold any acceptances as for now.

Ad officer: oh no problem. It could be an alternate list.

Op: I just wanted to clarify any misrepresentation on my part

As officer: no worries at all. Thanks for call.
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Congratulations man. It took courage, and I'm glad you are now stress-free. Now go enjoy!!! You've earned it.
Best of luck in Med. School!
 
Old&InTheWay said:
Good for you. I really believe that holding ourselves accountable for mistakes is one of the biggest ways we grow as people. When you start letting yourself get away with ethical transgressions, it becomes easier to commit them in the future.
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Absolutely!!! Sharing this story with you guys helped me find the courage to own up to it and not combat lies with more lies. Thank you all
 
@Goro can d.o schools see what other d.o schools you have and acceptance from or have interviews at ?
 
ERK123 said:
Out of curiosity, what would your DO colleague be able to check? As far as I know, DO schools have no way of knowing where else their students hold acceptances.
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If I had reason to believe that someone was lying about being accepted to Western or Touro, I would pick up the phone and call their admissions deans to find out. They could do the same.
 
^I thought that information would be confidential.
 
spade92 said:
^I thought that information would be confidential.
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FERPA only applies once a student is "in attendance" at an institution. It looks like most schools interpret this as meaning that your records and info are confidential only once you have matriculated.
 
STEMI patient said:
She said I just want to bring your attention to the fact that the schools did not show up on our system! Maybe you need to call them and ask why?

I said I withdrew my acceptance from two and one I will check with

She said it's okay I'm letting you know for your own sake.

And then we talk about financial aid and hunt up

I don't know if they will let go. Even in that case I still don't feel comfortable not owing up to it...
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I don't think this is that big of a deal... I doubt they'll rescind your acceptance, you realize you made a mistake. It doesn't sound like they are thinking about pulling your acceptance. Since you lied during the second look and lied again on the phone I would just ignore this and keep going on with life. You obviously aren't great at making responses on the fly, as evidenced by your poor choices previously. Don't want to risk saying something else that isn't true....
 
Incis0r said:
Congratulations man. It took courage, and I'm glad you are now stress-free. Now go enjoy!!! You've earned it.
Best of luck in Med. School!
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I received an email about forms I need to fallout before orientation. And another for immunization and stuff.

So I think this issue died out. Or so I hope. Let's all just take the lessons from it...
 
ERK123 said:
In your example the student is lying about their own resume. I don't see how this situation is very comparable. Why is a medical school entitled to know about your other options?
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Yeah, I wish medical schools could not see where else we were accepted (even those that have accepted you already).

It weakens applicant's negotiation position for things like financial aid.

In the real world, if you get a job offer at company X, they do not know whether you have other offers (unless you want to tell them).
 
Things have changed since I applied to med school, obviously. Why is an applicant required to reveal how many schools they were accepted to exactly? Why would a staff member ask? And why isn't the student allowed to not answer that? I don't condone lying, but as posted above, in the real world, when you get a job offer at company x, you are not obligated to say how many other offers you have and they have no way of finding out.
 
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