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I have been following with great interest the debate on whether the ASTRO PAC should not give campaign contributions to candidates who challenged President Biden's election. While withholding money would certainly put ASTRO on record against questioning the reality-based community, there is so much more that ASTRO could do to draw a clear line in the sand.



To start with, ASTRO could bar Trump supporters from leadership roles in the organization, and from giving invited talks and chairing scientific sessions at ASTRO-sponsored meetings. The next step would be to reduce the value of a Trump supporter's vote in ASTRO elections, or even to deny Trump supporters the right to vote in ASTRO elections altogether. A further step would be to simply deny Trump supporters membership in ASTRO. In parallel with this, ASTRO could push to have Trump supporters barred from holding academic faculty positions, and could even propose that Trump supporters' ABR board certifications, and even their medical school diplomas be revoked.



In order to identify Trump supporters, the ASTRO membership application/renewal form could add the question: "Have you ever donated money to the Trump campaign or any other organization affiliated with Donald Trump, have you ever worked on a Trump political campaign, have you ever spoken or written towards his behalf, or in any way, are you now, or have you ever been a Trump supporter?" Of course, not all Trump supporters will answer this question truthfully, so to identify the Trump supporters hiding in the attic, so to speak, social media could be reviewed and co-workers, neighbors, and even family could be queried, an approach which has seen some success in the past in other situations.



While I am sure there will be some debate over these measures, it is important that ASTRO be seen as a leader in going along with the spirit of the times.



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David Shimm MD
President
Beckley Oncology Associates
Beckley, WV 25801
304-253-6060 x232
 
Its funny because Astro is such a small fry that I doubt anyone in congress really cares or is even aware about Astro PAC donations.
 
ASTRO was indirectly pro-Trump before. Why not still so? Truly, if Steve Hahn can still practice ASTROanism, then Dr. David Shimm is barking up the wrong tree. And ASTRO isn't being intellectually consistent... shocker.

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Complete diarrhea of a thread going on over there, while Simul got barred for saying something far more innocuous
 

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Chartreuse Wombat said:
I have been following with great interest the debate on whether the ASTRO PAC should not give campaign contributions to candidates who challenged President Biden's election. While withholding money would certainly put ASTRO on record against questioning the reality-based community, there is so much more that ASTRO could do to draw a clear line in the sand.



To start with, ASTRO could bar Trump supporters from leadership roles in the organization, and from giving invited talks and chairing scientific sessions at ASTRO-sponsored meetings. The next step would be to reduce the value of a Trump supporter's vote in ASTRO elections, or even to deny Trump supporters the right to vote in ASTRO elections altogether. A further step would be to simply deny Trump supporters membership in ASTRO. In parallel with this, ASTRO could push to have Trump supporters barred from holding academic faculty positions, and could even propose that Trump supporters' ABR board certifications, and even their medical school diplomas be revoked.



In order to identify Trump supporters, the ASTRO membership application/renewal form could add the question: "Have you ever donated money to the Trump campaign or any other organization affiliated with Donald Trump, have you ever worked on a Trump political campaign, have you ever spoken or written towards his behalf, or in any way, are you now, or have you ever been a Trump supporter?" Of course, not all Trump supporters will answer this question truthfully, so to identify the Trump supporters hiding in the attic, so to speak, social media could be reviewed and co-workers, neighbors, and even family could be queried, an approach which has seen some success in the past in other situations.



While I am sure there will be some debate over these measures, it is important that ASTRO be seen as a leader in going along with the spirit of the times.



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David Shimm MD
President
Beckley Oncology Associates
Beckley, WV 25801
304-253-6060 x232
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Weren't you the one who said we couldn't trust polling Trump supporters and that he was a shoe in for a second term? Such a question would be useless and that post seems over the top

Anyways, won't happen, but i remain surprised they are letting this thread 💩 all over the forum while they've taken down others for far less
 
medgator said:
Weren't you the one who said we couldn't trust polling Trump supporters and that he was a shoe in for a second term? Such a question would be useless and that post seems over the top

Anyways, won't happen, but i remain surprised they are letting this thread 💩 all over the forum while they've taken down others for far less
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Probably seen as a nice distraction away from the real issues facing the society.
 
medgator said:
Weren't you the one who said we couldn't trust polling Trump supporters and that he was a shoe in for a second term? Such a question would be useless and that post seems over the top

Anyways, won't happen, but i remain surprised they are letting this thread 💩 all over the forum while they've taken down others for far less
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Is this question directed at me? Obviously the polling was way off (again as in 2016) but I don't recall predicting the outcome of the election.
 
I would prefer they stick to woke sh—t: race baiting identity politics like kendi, minority rep in radonc etc. no longer an Astro member, so don’t have dog in the race.
 
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The random ironic thing about all of this is that pro-right wing Gene Kopelson practices in Seattle of all places, and pro-left wing David Shimm practices in West Virginia of all places.
 
Ray D. Ayshun said:
I'm not sure where this is going in the end. Those who challenged Biden's election seem to be unable to count. The leadership at ASTRO has, per recent history, also been unable to count. Those who live in glass houses and all.
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'bout the funniest thing ever written here folks
 
Chartreuse Wombat said:
I have been following with great interest the debate on whether the ASTRO PAC should not give campaign contributions to candidates who challenged President Biden's election. While withholding money would certainly put ASTRO on record against questioning the reality-based community, there is so much more that ASTRO could do to draw a clear line in the sand.



To start with, ASTRO could bar Trump supporters from leadership roles in the organization, and from giving invited talks and chairing scientific sessions at ASTRO-sponsored meetings. The next step would be to reduce the value of a Trump supporter's vote in ASTRO elections, or even to deny Trump supporters the right to vote in ASTRO elections altogether. A further step would be to simply deny Trump supporters membership in ASTRO. In parallel with this, ASTRO could push to have Trump supporters barred from holding academic faculty positions, and could even propose that Trump supporters' ABR board certifications, and even their medical school diplomas be revoked.



In order to identify Trump supporters, the ASTRO membership application/renewal form could add the question: "Have you ever donated money to the Trump campaign or any other organization affiliated with Donald Trump, have you ever worked on a Trump political campaign, have you ever spoken or written towards his behalf, or in any way, are you now, or have you ever been a Trump supporter?" Of course, not all Trump supporters will answer this question truthfully, so to identify the Trump supporters hiding in the attic, so to speak, social media could be reviewed and co-workers, neighbors, and even family could be queried, an approach which has seen some success in the past in other situations.



While I am sure there will be some debate over these measures, it is important that ASTRO be seen as a leader in going along with the spirit of the times.



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David Shimm MD
President
Beckley Oncology Associates
Beckley, WV 25801
304-253-6060 x232
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Seriously, is this a joke? Please don't tell me this is real... Screenshot? If this is, God forbid, real, does he treat Trump patients? Please please tell me I'm missing the punchline of some joke...
 
RadOncMegatron said:
Seriously, is this a joke? Please don't tell me this is real... Screenshot? If this is, God forbid, real, does he treat Trump patients? Please please tell me I'm missing the punchline of some joke...
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for real?
 
I grant full support to the above proposition. The baby boomers have done nothing for us just leecherously bleed us out. We need to retire many of these old white men. ASTRO cannot be “woke” and for “promoting minorities” while having these folk in their rank. I support a purge. hide your kids and your wife.
 
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medgator said:
Complete diarrhea of a thread going on over there, while Simul got barred for saying something far more innocuous
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Such a ridiculous analogy that a scientist who followed data and led to less morbid treatment to millions of women is tantamount to tinfoil hat “skepticism” about an election. Again i firmly believe these guys need to be pushed out, retired, take their namenda with some sweet iced tea.
 
RadOncMegatron said:
Seriously, is this a joke? Please don't tell me this is real... Screenshot? If this is, God forbid, real, does he treat Trump patients? Please please tell me I'm missing the punchline of some joke...
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Dude/Dudette. He's clearly being sarcastic, in regards to the 'slippery slope' that actions like this will take ASTRO towards.
 
Chartreuse Wombat said:
I don't know if he intends sarcasm or not but similar things are happening elsewhere

www.nytimes.com

Job Seekers With Trump White House on Their Résumés Face a Cold Reality (Published 2021)

Working at the White House has traditionally been a ticket to a lucrative future. But that hasn’t been the case so far for Trump alumni.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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1. he clearly intends sarcasm and 2. who would have thought associating yourself with corruption and incompetence would reflect poorly on your job prospects
 
Ninja edits :ninja:

Chartreuse Wombat said:
To start with, ASTRO could bar SDN supporters from leadership roles in the organization, and from giving invited talks and chairing scientific sessions at ASTRO-sponsored meetings. The next step would be to reduce the value of a SDN supporter's vote in ASTRO elections, or even to deny SDN supporters the right to vote in ASTRO elections altogether. A further step would be to simply deny SDN supporters membership in ASTRO. In parallel with this, ASTRO could push to have SDN supporters barred from holding academic faculty positions, and could even propose that SDN supporters' ABR board certifications, and even their medical school diplomas be revoked.



In order to identify SDN supporters, the ASTRO membership application/renewal form could add the question: "Have you ever donated money to SDN or any other organization we would like to scapegoat for the decline of the specialty? Have you ever written on SDN, or in any way, are you now, or have you ever been an SDN supporter?" Of course, not all SDN supporters will answer this question truthfully, so to identify the SDN supporters hiding in the attic, so to speak, social media could be reviewed and co-workers, neighbors, and even family could be queried, an approach which has seen some success in the past in other situations.



While I am sure there will be some debate over these measures, it is important that ASTRO be seen as a leader in going along with the spirit of the times.



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WTF am I reading?

That forum (and the field in general) should be one version of the Bill Murray Rushmore speech - swapping out "rich boys" with urologists.

I'm kidding. sort of.

 
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thecarbonionangle said:
I grant full support to the above proposition. The baby boomers have done nothing for us just leecherously bleed us out. We need to retire many of these old white men. ASTRO cannot be “woke” and for “promoting minorities” while having these folk in their rank. I support a purge. hide your kids and your wife.
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I think it's 'hide yo kids and hide yo wife', but point taken.

That thread is insane. I'm anti-Trump as they come, but this is lunacy.

We are single issue. Focus on the issue at hand for this PAC. With the rest of your hard earned money, give to AOC or "Sweetboy" Gaetz or Gun Totin' Boebert or whoever. But, for our PAC, focus on #radonc.

Like the Gator says, "I'd support Hitler if he'd close down Mayo AZ and City of Hope"
 
drewdog1973 said:
I think it's 'hide yo kids and hide yo wife', but point taken.

That thread is insane. I'm anti-Trump as they come, but this is lunacy.

We are single issue. Focus on the issue at hand for this PAC. With the rest of your hard earned money, give to AOC or "Sweetboy" Gaetz or Gun Totin' Boebert or whoever. But, for our PAC, focus on #radonc.

Like the Gator says, "I'd support Hitler if he'd close down Mayo AZ and City of Hope"
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What if the point is to distract from their failings.
 
- Simul is Indian.

- Shimm, I have met him before, seems decent, but he is white, so ASTRO will leave him alone bc he is white.

PS: Actually, I am enjoying it bc ROHub has been mostly manure, this post by Shimm is for once fun stuff, stirring the pot lol...

Hahn is enjoying time with wife and kids according to the internet.

Sad, but true...
 
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To start, ASTRO is trash, they don't fight for our interests, I am not and never again will be a member. However, this is blatantly partisan. Do I agree with the congressmen and congresswomen who recently voted to not certify Biden's election? Absolutely not. I do believe in intellectual honesty and consistency, though, of which ASTRO has none.

I''m guessing these congressmen and congresswomen were NOT on the list of "paused" donations:

During the joint session on January 6, 2017, seven House Democrats tried to object to electoral votes from multiple states.
According to a C-SPAN recording of the joint session that took place four years ago, the following House Democrats made objections:

  • Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) objected to Alabama's votes.
  • Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) objected to Florida's votes.
  • Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) objected to Georgia's votes.
  • Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) objected to North Carolina's votes.
  • Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) objected to the votes from North Carolina in addition to votes from South Carolina and Wisconsin. She also stood up and objected citing "massive voter suppression" after Mississippi's votes were announced.
  • Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) brought up allegations of Russian interference in the election and malfunctioning voting machines when she objected following the announcement of Michigan's votes.
  • Maxine Waters (D-Calif) rose and said, "I do not wish to debate. I wish to ask 'Is there one United States senator who will join me in this letter of objection?'" after the announcement of Wyoming's votes.

It could be argued that the results of these objections weren't nearly as damaging as those recently, and I do agree with that. 147>>7 as well, obviously. I also believe these Democrats' refusal to accept the 2016 election results and the 2+ years of Russian nonsense that followed set the stage for the most recent situation, but that doesn't matter at all with respect to ASTRO's decision. Here we have another example of partisan ideology triumphing over ASTRO's own mission- to be a voice for all its members and fight for their interests.
 
drewdog1973 said:
I think it's 'hide yo kids and hide yo wife', but point taken.

That thread is insane. I'm anti-Trump as they come, but this is lunacy.

We are single issue. Focus on the issue at hand for this PAC. With the rest of your hard earned money, give to AOC or "Sweetboy" Gaetz or Gun Totin' Boebert or whoever. But, for our PAC, focus on #radonc.

Like the Gator says, "I'd support Hitler if he'd close down Mayo AZ and City of Hope"
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Democrat here, but to basically pause donations to most republican house members is insane for our cause. If anything, someone with no principles, like a Matt Gaetz type, would be more amenable to being bought off with lobbying. In fact, being willing to lobby now would give you more bang for your buck with these members!
 
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OTN said:
To start, ASTRO is trash, they don't fight for our interests, I am not and never again will be a member. However, this is blatantly partisan. Do I agree with the congressmen and congresswomen who recently voted to not certify Biden's election? Absolutely not. I do believe in intellectual honesty and consistency, though, of which ASTRO has none.

I''m guessing these congressmen and congresswomen were NOT on the list of "paused" donations:

During the joint session on January 6, 2017, seven House Democrats tried to object to electoral votes from multiple states.
According to a C-SPAN recording of the joint session that took place four years ago, the following House Democrats made objections:

  • Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) objected to Alabama's votes.
  • Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) objected to Florida's votes.
  • Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) objected to Georgia's votes.
  • Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) objected to North Carolina's votes.
  • Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) objected to the votes from North Carolina in addition to votes from South Carolina and Wisconsin. She also stood up and objected citing "massive voter suppression" after Mississippi's votes were announced.
  • Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) brought up allegations of Russian interference in the election and malfunctioning voting machines when she objected following the announcement of Michigan's votes.
  • Maxine Waters (D-Calif) rose and said, "I do not wish to debate. I wish to ask 'Is there one United States senator who will join me in this letter of objection?'" after the announcement of Wyoming's votes.

It could be argued that the results of these objections weren't nearly as damaging as those recently, and I do agree with that. 147>>7 as well, obviously. I also believe these Democrats' refusal to accept the 2016 election results and the 2+ years of Russian nonsense that followed set the stage for the most recent situation, but that doesn't matter at all with respect to ASTRO's decision. Here we have another example of partisan ideology triumphing over ASTRO's own mission- to be a voice for all its members and fight for their interests.
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I agree with you whole heartedly. What good can come of stepping into this politically dog fight? ASTRO now just explicitly partisan?

Not sure how legit the link is below, but it says they were giving 70% of this money to Democrats anyway...

www.opensecrets.org

American Society for Radiation Oncology PAC to PAC/Party

See the details of contributions from American Society for Radiation Oncology to other PACs and party committess for the 2019-2020 election cycle.
www.opensecrets.org www.opensecrets.org
 
OTN said:
To start, ASTRO is trash, they don't fight for our interests, I am not and never again will be a member. However, this is blatantly partisan. Do I agree with the congressmen and congresswomen who recently voted to not certify Biden's election? Absolutely not. I do believe in intellectual honesty and consistency, though, of which ASTRO has none.

I''m guessing these congressmen and congresswomen were NOT on the list of "paused" donations:

During the joint session on January 6, 2017, seven House Democrats tried to object to electoral votes from multiple states.
According to a C-SPAN recording of the joint session that took place four years ago, the following House Democrats made objections:

  • Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) objected to Alabama's votes.
  • Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) objected to Florida's votes.
  • Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) objected to Georgia's votes.
  • Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) objected to North Carolina's votes.
  • Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) objected to the votes from North Carolina in addition to votes from South Carolina and Wisconsin. She also stood up and objected citing "massive voter suppression" after Mississippi's votes were announced.
  • Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) brought up allegations of Russian interference in the election and malfunctioning voting machines when she objected following the announcement of Michigan's votes.
  • Maxine Waters (D-Calif) rose and said, "I do not wish to debate. I wish to ask 'Is there one United States senator who will join me in this letter of objection?'" after the announcement of Wyoming's votes.

It could be argued that the results of these objections weren't nearly as damaging as those recently, and I do agree with that. 147>>7 as well, obviously. I also believe these Democrats' refusal to accept the 2016 election results and the 2+ years of Russian nonsense that followed set the stage for the most recent situation, but that doesn't matter at all with respect to ASTRO's decision. Here we have another example of partisan ideology triumphing over ASTRO's own mission- to be a voice for all its members and fight for their interests.
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Can you link me to the 2017 insurrection/domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol related to that? Thanks.

ASTRO is doing what it's membership overwhelmingly wants with regard to the insurrection. Unscientifically, most of the ROHub posts were anti insurrection. Even the pro Trump CEOs are taking a stand at a time when the country is deeply divided and we need to move on (which will only come with accountability).

Clearly they are impotent when it comes to saving our specialty however and that's a good enough reason to cancel them, as they are full of too many academics who benefit from the current clusterfark of a situation wrt residency expansion, exploitative PPS pricing etc.

Tldr: i agree with ASTRO here, but they are useless as a specialty organization, esp ASTRO pac which has been barking up wrong trees for years like urorads, pro proton, anti bundles etc which is why i let my membership lapse
 
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medgator said:
The unsurprising (and imo correct) conclusion
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So let me get this straight. Our professional organization whose only purpose should be to promote its membership's interest in regards to cancer and radiation and has stated for years that it could not comment on the over expansion of residency positions and the harm it does to its membership because of "anti-trust laws" now says it can get involved in purely political issues that has nothing with its mission.

Astro is a total garbage organization. There needs to be a hard cap on the percentage of academic physicians that are allowed to have leadership positions in this organization.
 
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The hypocrisy of the right never ceases to amaze me. You have serial adulters like Newt and pedophiles like Hastert presiding over an impeachment trial. Gaetz lives with a recently underage man and is clearly closeted and likely also a pedophile, which is hilarious considering Q stuff. these people do not deserve a dime. At least the turtle in KY has said a few things recently even if not genuine, to combat this cancer. we are cancer doctors. Please do not feed the cancer.
 
Real talk. If ASTRO were to stop lobbying congress people who have objected to certifying a presidential election since the year 2000, there wouldn't be too many to lobby. Various dems did it in 2000, 2004, and 2016.

No party has clean hands since the hyper-partisan politics started about 2 decades ago.

Identify a handful of lunatics not to lobby if you want (there are plenty), obviously never support Trump, but this seems like a silly measure that will help nothing.
 
Maybe this old dinosaur who keeps posting on ROHUB should give up his granfathered certificate and leave his job in Seattle and move to rural south or midwest. He may even have time to write more books. Looked him up and has numerous nutty books. Colour me surprised, folks!!!
 
OTN said:
To start, ASTRO is trash, they don't fight for our interests, I am not and never again will be a member. However, this is blatantly partisan. Do I agree with the congressmen and congresswomen who recently voted to not certify Biden's election? Absolutely not. I do believe in intellectual honesty and consistency, though, of which ASTRO has none.

I''m guessing these congressmen and congresswomen were NOT on the list of "paused" donations:

During the joint session on January 6, 2017, seven House Democrats tried to object to electoral votes from multiple states.
According to a C-SPAN recording of the joint session that took place four years ago, the following House Democrats made objections:

  • Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) objected to Alabama's votes.
  • Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) objected to Florida's votes.
  • Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) objected to Georgia's votes.
  • Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) objected to North Carolina's votes.
  • Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) objected to the votes from North Carolina in addition to votes from South Carolina and Wisconsin. She also stood up and objected citing "massive voter suppression" after Mississippi's votes were announced.
  • Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) brought up allegations of Russian interference in the election and malfunctioning voting machines when she objected following the announcement of Michigan's votes.
  • Maxine Waters (D-Calif) rose and said, "I do not wish to debate. I wish to ask 'Is there one United States senator who will join me in this letter of objection?'" after the announcement of Wyoming's votes.

It could be argued that the results of these objections weren't nearly as damaging as those recently, and I do agree with that. 147>>7 as well, obviously. I also believe these Democrats' refusal to accept the 2016 election results and the 2+ years of Russian nonsense that followed set the stage for the most recent situation, but that doesn't matter at all with respect to ASTRO's decision. Here we have another example of partisan ideology triumphing over ASTRO's own mission- to be a voice for all its members and fight for their interests.
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Let me clear the air:

Objecting to electoral votes for the opposite party? A congressperson's own right.
Objecting so much that you end up (knowingly or unknowingly) facilitating domestic terrorists to breach the Capitol for the first time since the War of 1812? Unconscionably wrong.
 
FrostyHammer said:
Let me clear the air:

Objecting to electoral votes for the opposite party? A congressperson's own right.
Objecting so much that you end up (knowingly or unknowingly) facilitating domestic terrorists to breach the Capitol for the first time since the War of 1812? Unconscionably wrong.
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I put almost all the incitement on Trump. Those were "his" people. They didn't care about the Congress people. Hell, they wanted to hang Pence. Certainly Hawley and Cruz should be cut off. There's a handful of fringe house members. But I think most people were voting the way they did, not in an effort to incite an insurrection, but just to be on record that they are a good little Republican for their home district. The wisdom of doing so even AFTER the insurrection happened is certainly debateable. Almost all votes in congress are per party line nowadays. This was just another (really, really) stupid one.
 
Mandelin Rain said:
I put almost all the incitement on Trump. Those were "his" people. They didn't care about the Congress people. Hell, they wanted to hang Pence. Certainly Hawley and Cruz should be cut off. There's a handful of fringe house members. But I think most people were voting the way they did, not in an effort to incite an insurrection, but just to be on record that they are a good little Republican for their home district. The wisdom of doing so even AFTER the insurrection happened is certainly debateable. Almost all votes in congress are per party line nowadays. This was just another (really, really) stupid one.
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House members who are re-elected every 2 years beholden to maximize their chances of winning the primary. Agree with differentiating avg Republican from Hawley, Cruz, and that one who believes jews are firing lasers at calfornia
 
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Future ASTRO-funded studies...

DemoCRAT trial (Demonstration of Carbon-ion Radiotherapy in Anaplastic Thyroid)
PELOSI study (Pituitary/Esthesioneuroblastoma Linac-Only Stereotactic Irradiation)
CORTEZ Initiative (Creating Opportunity for Radiation Therapist Emigres from Zimbabwe)
 
scarbrtj said:
I, for one, welcome my new APM overlords.
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I agree wholeheartedly. Let's be honest a PAC is nothing more than legalized bribery. We are trying to funnel funds to members of congress in exchange for favorable legislation for our specialty. It should be non-partisan and non-denominational.

Medgator does raise a good point however regarding the outcry from ASTRO members. However, I would respond that true leaders do what they believe is right for the organization despite objections from the rank and file.
 
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