Roommate Smoking Weed

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Let's see if I can summarize this thread.

OP: Hey guys, I've got a pretty specific question regarding the legal ramifications of living with a roommate who possesses and uses controlled substances.

SDN Chorus: Smoke pot you nerd, marijuana is cool! I smoke pot, so by extension I am cool. Funny gif. Picture of bong.

OP: ...
 
Let's see if I can summarize this thread.

OP: Hey guys, I've got a pretty specific question regarding the legal ramifications of living with a roommate who possesses and uses controlled substances.

SDN Chorus: Smoke pot you nerd, marijuana is cool! I smoke pot, so by extension I am cool. Funny gif. Picture of bong.

OP: ...
 
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Let's see if I can summarize this thread.

OP: Hey guys, I've got a pretty specific question regarding the legal ramifications of living with a roommate who possesses and uses controlled substances.

SDN Chorus: Smoke pot you nerd, marijuana is cool! I smoke pot, so by extension I am cool. Funny gif. Picture of bong.

OP: ...
Curmudgeon

Harrumph!
 
Hypothetical situation:
If I have a roommate that smokes weed in his room, and he gets caught somehow, am I likely to get into trouble?

I've never tried it, nor would I ever. I don't really have a problem with it though. BUT....I just don't want to get in trouble in any way if he ever gets caught.

I know a bunch of med students that smoke pot, but honestly, I'm not sure I like taking the risk if I'm not even doing anything wrong.

Thoughts?

The unimaginable horror of marihuana cigarettes.
 
Marijuana is a gateway drug. Your roommate will be slinging crack rocks to preschoolers in 2 weeks, and you will go to jail when you get caught b/c your inaction makes you complicit. You'll be kicked out of school and have to re-apply DO.

DO schools may have lower academic admission standards but never think that DO schools are any less unethical.
 
If you are found guilty of a drug charge, your ability to secure federal financial aid will be severely compromised, which means that you may not be able to complete medical school. Moreover, drug charges may preclude you from applying for a medical license, even if you graduate after losing your student loans.

P.S. It is absolutely impossible to test positive on a drug screen due to secondhand smoke exposure.

OP: once you've weeded through the half-baked advice, just listen to this poster. you will probably be fine. if you're not fine, you will have an immense pile of unnecessary garbage to deal with.
 
If you're stupid enough to get caught smoking weed then you're unfit to be a doctor anyway

Perhaps you missed the part that it's the OP's roommate doing it?
 
Perhaps you missed the part that it's the OP's roommate doing it?

Perhaps you missed the part where I quoted this - "Regardless of its "practical" legality and "harmlessness," it's still illegal. While the legal ramifications may be minor that says nothing of the impact a drug charge could have on medical licensing, which is the whole point of med school and residency."
 
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True though.

I would guess 20-25% of med students are unfit then 😎

I can't stand people who judge what others do in their free time. Get a f'n life
 
Cause I was being totally cereal.

it can be difficult to detect sarcasm online especially without much context.

I take back the harsh response if you were being sarcastic. I just know plenty of people on here and IRL who think like this and it annoys me
 
it can be difficult to detect sarcasm online especially without much context.

I take back the harsh response if you were being sarcastic. I just know plenty of people on here and IRL who think like this and it annoys me
It's fine, and while I don't smoke myself and would personally prefer a doctor who doesn't, I don't doubt there are quality doctors who have/do indulge in various illegal substances.

I'm far more conservative with activities of that sort than most people I know, so I've learned to accept others regardless of differences between our lifestyle choices. At the same time, realize that those who disagree (no matter what we're talking about) will often judge others regardless, though I agree it's rude and can be offensive if they voice those judgments against people in public.
 
Sadly, very few. 😳

You have a cool avatar, too. Actually I have that image on a t-shirt (its pretty badass)

I thought it was DMT at first but you have a hydroxy group. What is it?

edit: 4-HO-DMT. I was close. 🙂
 
Worry about yourself, thats all you need to do. I quit drinking and don't smoke, but do I look down on my classmates for doing it? Hell no...if anything I commend them for being able to do well in med school while doing that, shows strong balance skills imo. To each their own...spend less time worrying about what others doing and more about YOUR situation
 
I would guess 20-25% of med students are unfit then 😎

I can't stand people who judge what others do in their free time. Get a f'n life

+1

The med students I know who smoke are easily in the top 25-50% of their class. Hell am friends with a guy who had no trouble of being both high school and college valedictorian (fellow bio major and close friend to), smoking multiple nights a week....on to columbia for med school where he continued to smoke on a significant basis.

People can be extremely high functioning individuals in all realms of their life and still partake in marijuana use occasionally...or hell even frequently. End of story. If you dont like it dont smoke it. But you have no right to judge what others do as long as it doesnt affect you or your career.

OPs needs to discuss the roomate's MJ use with them in my opinion. The guy needs to be respectful..and probably just assumes everyone is cool with it (bc most people I know are even if they dont partake). Its just as easy to go for a walk/hike and remain respectful toward your roomie at the same time. Plus I hear nature is way more fun to look at when youre high.....dude.
 
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I watched an episode of COPS a few weeks ago where a warrant was served and a guy was arrested for drug possession at his house but his girlfriend/wife wasn't arrested.
 
I had a similar problem when I worked as an EMT before med school. I had roomates who not only smoked weed, but would just leave their weed on the living room table along with their bong when they left the house. (Note we were on the first floor, so all was visible from the front window). I'm fine with people doing what they want, but it puts me in a bad situation when I stop home during a shift, in uniform, and have to worry that there might be illegeal substances lying around.

Had to read them the riot act a few times, and then threaten to just throw out anything I found lying around before the situation was resolved.

Similarly, if you are driving your friends around, as the driver you can be held responsible for anything they have in the car.

To the OP, I would just talk to your roomate and let them know that whatever he wants to do his his own room is his business, but ask that he not do it around you, not do it in the common area, and not leave the weed out. Seems like a reasonable compromise.
 
I wonder how many people have the expertise to synthesize it



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Oh nooo weed. I would be more worried if he were an alcoholic.
 
1. You won't get in trouble. There are very few cases where you can be charged for not reporting a crime you see. Child abuse is a good exception though.

2. Believe it or not, substance abuse is quite common in medical school.

3. Furthermore, substance abuse is not uncommon either among physicians in practice.
 
I think the OP has a very valid concern. Look, weed is harmless, and actually has potentially significant medicinal properties. There are substances OTC that are far more dangerous then marijuana. That being said, it's a schedule 1 per the DEA, the same agency who you need to obtain a DEA registration from when you apply for medical licensure.

It doesn't matter what the personal opinions of other people are. The only thing that matters is the letter of the law: marijuana is a scheduled I controlled substance; if the officer who discovers the weed feels that you are in possession of that substance, no matter your denial or alibi, you can be prosecuted for its possession. I also believe, and quote me if I'm wrong, that you must report all drug-related charges, not just convictions, that you have faced in the past. I'm not sure how it works for MDs, but that is what I had to do when I applied for my controlled substance license from my state board. Read the rules, know the rules, and don't be the unlucky one.

I wouldn't turn the roommate in, but I'd try to finding a new roommate personally.
 
It doesn't matter what the personal opinions of other people are. The only thing that matters is the letter of the law: marijuana is a scheduled I controlled substance; if the officer who discovers the weed feels that you are in possession of that substance, no matter your denial or alibi, you can be prosecuted for its possession.

This. Considering the significant debt to which we have all committed, I am wholly unwilling to take any unnecessary risks, albeit remote, that would prevent me from securing a 6 figure income (if things go well seven figure).
 
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Honestly, I say its not worth it. Anyone with any sense wouldn't risk it, I say talk to him to get him to quit doing it at the house atleast, if not I would look for a new roomate in the future.
 
Regardless of what your stance on weed is, youre one cops bad day from having a major wrench thrown in your future career plans.

I wouldnt listen to the advice of greenhorn med students who havent been through the licensing process.

All it takes is a single charge, not even conviction, to cause you major headaches for the rest of your career.
 

Note I said income not salary

If you think i'm planning to get rich with medicine you're dumb... Unlike my fellow MS1s and the premeds I actually have some business sense. lol
 
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Note I said income not salary

If you think i'm planning to get rich with medicine you're dumb... Unlike my fellow MS1s and the premeds I actually have some business sense. lol
Haha well my apologies, I think I'm just too used to the typical money matters posts of Pre-Allo. Nice to hear you have somewhat of a plan, good luck.
 
Haha well my apologies, I think I'm just too used to the typical money matters posts of Pre-Allo. Nice to hear you have somewhat of a plan, good luck.

No problem. I am also very tired of listening to my classmates talk about buying Enzo's. I just roll my eyes and sigh....

People don't realize how little (relative term) money there is in medicine. I guess you need to have some relatives or parents to understand that in general medicine will not make you a millionaire. I will not deny that it provides financial security however. If you want more money there are a number of options (most of which are outside medicine) that can be completed concurrently with medicine if you do not enter a malignant field (in terms of hours and the flexibility to control how much you work in practice).

Living in LA I can't help but get caught up in the consumer/status driven culture here. It's a disease really
 
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While I wouldn't go as far as reporting the roommate I would move out, regardless if its breaking the lease. I would talk to my landlord and explain the situation (to an extent).
I'm not comfortable with people smoking around me especially not an illegal substance.
Your home is suppose to be where you are the most comfortable.
 
If you're going to be drug tested soon tell your roommate to smoke elsewhere. Otherwise go away and stop harshing his buzz. Jerk.
 
If you're going to be drug tested soon tell your roommate to smoke elsewhere. Otherwise go away and stop harshing his buzz. Jerk.

Yeah man. He'd never bug you about your all night studying depressing him.
 
Regardless of what your stance on weed is, youre one cops bad day from having a major wrench thrown in your future career plans.

I wouldnt listen to the advice of greenhorn med students who havent been through the licensing process.

All it takes is a single charge, not even conviction, to cause you major headaches for the rest of your career.

Incorrect. Testing positive for marijuana would do 0 for your career....you can legally argue it was a false positive and get retested.

Lmao if it was a huge issue 1/4 of the doctors in the country would be screwed
 
Where are we getting 1/4 from? I'll give you 1/25...
 
id believe 1/10 i guess
 
Seriously, I would kick him out and turn him in. 2nd hand smoke shows up on drug tests fyi.

Any drug test that would allow for a "positive" based on the scant microns of THC that a person would get from second hand smoke is a useless test. The goal is to catch people who are smoking pot. It's not illegal to be in the vicinity of people who smoke pot.

Hell, even the Army's THC micron count is absurdly high for this reason. In other words, if you are positive for MJ in the Army, you aren't going to get away with the "concert defense". Although, I know people who went for the "brownie defense".

"So I went to this party and there was a tray of brownies and I ate one without knowing they were pot brownies!"
 
As noted above, though; the OP has valid concerns. I personally don't have a problem with MJ and think it should be legal period. That's all irrelevant in the eyes of the law.

I wouldn't put a lot of stock in any legal advice dispensed on SDN. The odds are nothing will happen and if it does, it won't come back on you. However, no one can promise you that will be the case and if you get a drug rap it could prevent you from getting loans or screw with your license. Even if those two things aren't affected, you are still going to have to explain it on a residency application and that's not ideal....

If it were me, I would just express my concerns to my room-mate. Tell him that he can do what he wants but that you are somewhat exposed in certain areas by being around illegal drugs (just so everything is understood up front) and then find a new room mate when your lease is up.

That's just my thought and tailored to the OP who expressed concerns about this. Obviously, many med students aren't concerned about it and are willing to assume the risk. That's a different story.

Again, I am not anti-MJ, but our thoughts on it's legality and/or benefits are irrelevant to the possible consequences.

On the legality issue of it and the "Dude, you aren't going to get caught as long as it stays inside" should take a few minutes to read this recent landmark SCOTUS case on search and seizure.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-1272.pdf

Basically, the cops smelled pot, knocked on the door, heard people scuffling in what they perceived to be an attempt to dispose of the evidence, kicked the door in and busted a bunch of people for MJ possession. The Supreme Court ruled that it was a valid search and seizure.

Where did this happen? Lexington, Kentucky.

Isn't there a Medical School there?

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That's not the worst excuse I heard (albeit second hand) for coming up positive on a drug test in the military. The worst one involved "acts of perversion SO profound and disgusting that decorum prohibits listing them here. ..."

People do stupid things when it comes to drugs. I was on gate duty once for a federal instillation, and when a car pulled in for the mandatory ID check, the driver blew a big mouthful of marijuana smoke in my face. Needless to say, I redirected him to the search area where we found a bunch of crystal meth in his bag. Sneaking drugs onto a federal installation = bad, bad idea.....

Anyways, off topic. I'll let the thread get back to it's original intent now.
 
I think the OP has a very valid concern. Look, weed is harmless, and actually has potentially significant medicinal properties. There are substances OTC that are far more dangerous then marijuana. That being said, it's a schedule 1 per the DEA, the same agency who you need to obtain a DEA registration from when you apply for medical licensure.

It doesn't matter what the personal opinions of other people are. The only thing that matters is the letter of the law: marijuana is a scheduled I controlled substance; if the officer who discovers the weed feels that you are in possession of that substance, no matter your denial or alibi, you can be prosecuted for its possession. I also believe, and quote me if I'm wrong, that you must report all drug-related charges, not just convictions, that you have faced in the past. I'm not sure how it works for MDs, but that is what I had to do when I applied for my controlled substance license from my state board. Read the rules, know the rules, and don't be the unlucky one.

I wouldn't turn the roommate in, but I'd try to finding a new roommate personally.

I'm interested in seeing this evidence supporting positive medical effects of marijuana.
 
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