RR Pathology busted

[Guyton Killah]

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Besides the fact that it is the best review book ever, are there any concepts that you feel are poorly explained in this book? If so, could you please give an example (critical analysis please).

 

[Guyton Killah]

Goljan wins.

👍👍👍

 

[gsmithers68]

Besides the fact that it is the best review book ever, are there any concepts that you feel are poorly explained in this book? If so, could you please give an example (critical analysis please).

I'll tell you straight up that Goljan skimps over the first 7 chapters of Robbins and they are pretty high yield for the test... Especially the first 3 at least... He does a pretty good job actually with neoplasia. Basic cell injury is OK, but it isn't great.... that's the only area of this book I found flawed in 6 weeks of scouring through the book twice.

 

[silas2642]

I'll tell you straight up that Goljan skimps over the first 7 chapters of Robbins and they are pretty high yield for the test... Especially the first 3 at least... He does a pretty good job actually with neoplasia. Basic cell injury is OK, but it isn't great.... that's the only area of this book I found flawed in 6 weeks of scouring through the book twice.

Yeah, I almost felt like basic cell injury was better in BRS... The format definitely does take some getting used to and I think that getting through this thing is going to take some time. Classes have ended and I haven't started digging into it yet (started with Behavioral, am now on biochem, which I absolutely hate).

 

[igottaquestion]

And sometimes it gets confusing because he doesn't properly use the outline format, something like:

1. Disease X
A. Cause A
1)blah blah blah
B. Cause B
2) blah blah blah
3) characterized by Z [when in fact this is true for cause A also]

This limits my trust in what I read from it.

 

[Cirrus83]

Well, I found the insanely huge list of errata pretty annoying since I had to sit around for hours fixing all the errata on the list

 

[McGillGrad]

And sometimes it gets confusing because he doesn't properly use the outline format, something like:

1. Disease X
A. Cause A
1)blah blah blah
B. Cause B
2) blah blah blah
3) characterized by Z [when in fact this is true for cause A also]

This limits my trust in what I read from it.

If you don't know the disease well enough then you will be confused.

You should be going through this book with your path courses.

 

[confuse]

Hey guys,
I'm planning to tackle Goljan and corresponding section in FA next week. Is it doable to complete Goljan in a week? I have never used Goljan but I have been listening to the audios. Thanks.

 

[Re3iRtH]

I'll tell you straight up that Goljan skimps over the first 7 chapters of Robbins and they are pretty high yield for the test... Especially the first 3 at least... He does a pretty good job actually with neoplasia. Basic cell injury is OK, but it isn't great.... that's the only area of this book I found flawed in 6 weeks of scouring through the book twice.

Just curious where are you getting the info that the first 3 chapters
"at least" are high yield?? I just took the Path shelf and I can tell you
I had 1 question even pertaining to cell injury, and maybe a handful
total from those 3 chapters. Chapters 4-9 in Goljan seemed like half
the test. Gotta know the diseases and pathophys thats really it, if you
don't know cell reactions to injury by now you don't understand
disease.

 

[Guyton Killah]

Hey guys,
I'm planning to tackle Goljan and corresponding section in FA next week. Is it doable to complete Goljan in a week? I have never used Goljan but I have been listening to the audios. Thanks.

I think its gonna take a little longer on the first round. But its possible though, because a lot of people (right here in SDN) usually mention that they can read it from side to side within a week, but I doubt if its really on the first attempt.

I am also using it but at a slower pace. Actually I find it harder to understand, than, lets say, robbins.

 

[SeminoleFan3]

Hey guys,
I'm planning to tackle Goljan and corresponding section in FA next week. Is it doable to complete Goljan in a week? I have never used Goljan but I have been listening to the audios. Thanks.

I'm doing the same thing, but my shedule has me going through Goljan in about two and a half weeks. I'm about a third of the way through it now.

 

[Guyton Killah]

I'm doing the same thing, but my shedule has me going through Goljan in about two and a half weeks. I'm about a third of the way through it now.

How many pages per day?

 

[Terpskins99]

I wasn't thrilled with the renal section. I preferred my school notes instead (which can be found online).

I especially like the interspersed little cartoons. 😉

 

[Cliff Huxtable]

Quick question:

How much of this book do people actually memorize?

I mean is there info in this book that is not in FA that should be known?

 

[defcon8]

Well any issues with the 2nd edition will be short lived since RR 3rd edition is being released in august. I wonder if there will be any significant additions other than prolly more pages full of pictures..
http://www.us.elsevierhealth.com/isbn/9780323068628/Rapid-Review-Pathology

 

[Terpskins99]

Quick question:

How much of this book do people actually memorize?

I mean is there info in this book that is not in FA that should be known?

If there is one subject you cannot know too much of with regard to boards... its pathology. Several of my friends read through Robbins to prepare for boards.

I think its in your best interest to get as much Goljan down as you can. Nothing in that book is low yield.

Well any issues with the 2nd edition will be short lived since RR 3rd edition is being released in august. I wonder if there will be any significant additions other than prolly more pages full of pictures.

2nd edition has a pretty good balance of depth and brevity. I would hope Goljan doesn't go overboard with extra detail (this problem pops up with newer editions of BRS and High Yield books). What I like about RR is all the tidbits he includes is based directly upon a question that actually popped up on someone's USMLE.

If you already have 2nd edition, I don't think you need to bother with 3rd. But if you don't have it yet and 3rd edition ends up being super-long... then I recommend buying a used copy of 2nd! 😛

 

[igottaquestion]

If you look at the errata sheet to the second edition on Goljan's website, he discusses how the next edition will be geared toward step 2 as well.

 

[MedicineForLife 777]

If you look at the errata sheet to the second edition on Goljan's website, he discusses how the next edition will be geared toward step 2 as well.

Hi there. Can you post the website for the errata sheet? I don't know Goljan's website. Thanks!

 

[oreosandsake]

I'll tell you straight up that Goljan skimps over the first 7 chapters of Robbins and they are pretty high yield for the test... Especially the first 3 at least... He does a pretty good job actually with neoplasia. Basic cell injury is OK, but it isn't great.... that's the only area of this book I found flawed in 6 weeks of scouring through the book twice.

the basic path is weak.

I even told him that when I saw him and he agreed. said that he's "beefing it up for the next edition"

you should read robbins chapters 1-4 in adjunct to RR path... and if anything, memorizing those are way more high yield than RR path.

 

[igottaquestion]

http://www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/college/biomedical/pathology/goljan.cfm

 

[McGillGrad]

you should read robbins chapters 1-4 in adjunct to RR path... and if anything, memorizing those are way more high yield than RR path.

General path is not worth memorizing for answering random questions because the purpose of general path is to develop a working vocabulary for precise description of disease states and symptoms.

It is worth reviewing though.

 

[wAyRadikull]

So do you think supplementing baby robbins w/ RR path will do the job when it comes to covering all the details regarding general path ??
Because reading Robbins is just not doable this late in the game, IMO. Although, i have the medium robbins as well, which is more doable than big papa.

P.s. I also thought the first 4 chapters were kind of anemic, but didnt put too much thought into it because everyone swears by RR path so.. yeah haha

 

[Terpskins99]

So do you think supplementing baby robbins w/ RR path will do the job when it comes to covering all the details regarding general path ??
Because reading Robbins is just not doable this late in the game, IMO. Although, i have the medium robbins as well, which is more doable than big papa.

P.s. I also thought the first 4 chapters were kind of anemic, but didnt put too much thought into it because everyone swears by RR path so.. yeah haha

I don't think it makes too much sense to supplement one review book with another review book.

Study RR. If there is a specific concept you feel Goljan doesn't cover enough for your purposes, then I recommend ironing it out in Big Robbins. That will happen only a few times, so I think its worth the effort.

 

[Guyton Killah]

So do you think supplementing baby robbins w/ RR path will do the job when it comes to covering all the details regarding general path ??
Because reading Robbins is just not doable this late in the game, IMO. Although, i have the medium robbins as well, which is more doable than big papa.

P.s. I also thought the first 4 chapters were kind of anemic, but didnt put too much thought into it because everyone swears by RR path so.. yeah haha

Have you guys realized that RR path is more like a summary of baby Robbins? So, its helpful to have baby Robbins aside, just in case something vague pops up you can cross check. But overall, RR is an exceptional review book, no doubt. And, if you could master it, I think you would be geared up for big things in life.