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Getting ready to graduate from med school, and I was under the impression the superceding ceremony would be a little local thing the day or so before graduation. Now I get an email from some LT recruiter saying that the supercede ceremony for many schools in New England will all be in Boston more than a week before my graduation, when I had planned to be apartment hunting elsewhere.

Is this right that they're promoting everyone at the same time, some people far away from where they would normally be? If I'm going to be an O-3 for more than a week and a half, can I expect to see a pay increase (obviously not, I'm just wondering how they justify it)?

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Getting ready to graduate from med school, and I was under the impression the superceding ceremony would be a little local thing the day or so before graduation. Now I get an email from some LT recruiter saying that the supercede ceremony for many schools in New England will all be in Boston more than a week before my graduation, when I had planned to be apartment hunting elsewhere.

Is this right that they're promoting everyone at the same time, some people far away from where they would normally be? If I'm going to be an O-3 for more than a week and a half, can I expect to see a pay increase (obviously not, I'm just wondering how they justify it)?

Thanks,
-MB


You can't be superceded until you graduate. So, your promotion should be on your grad day or a day or two after.

You won't be paid until you report for Active Duty. So when you actually sign is of no significance. Your date of rank will be your grad date regardless of which day you sign.
 

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Getting ready to graduate from med school, and I was under the impression the superceding ceremony would be a little local thing the day or so before graduation. Now I get an email from some LT recruiter saying that the supercede ceremony for many schools in New England will all be in Boston more than a week before my graduation, when I had planned to be apartment hunting elsewhere.

Is this right that they're promoting everyone at the same time, some people far away from where they would normally be? If I'm going to be an O-3 for more than a week and a half, can I expect to see a pay increase (obviously not, I'm just wondering how they justify it)?

Thanks,
-MB

I got that email too and was confused...still am. We were doing our ceramony the weekend of graduation and then I got that email that I am suppose to be at ¨the constitution¨on a day that I ´won´t even be in the continental US. I emailed her back and was reassured that being absent was not a big deal, but her response did not include exactly what this superceeding thingie is or if there is a difference between this and the ceremony.

Im reassured, but I´d kinda like to know what id be missing or if I was even suppose to receive that email in the first place, so if someone can enlighten me here that would be great. Ive surpassed my quota of ¨im confused¨ emails this week when it comes to the navy.
 

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I got that email too and was confused...still am. We were doing our ceramony the weekend of graduation and then I got that email that I am suppose to be at ¨the constitution¨on a day that I ´won´t even be in the continental US. I emailed her back and was reassured that being absent was not a big deal, but her response did not include exactly what this superceeding thingie is or if there is a difference between this and the ceremony.

Im reassured, but I´d kinda like to know what id be missing or if I was even suppose to receive that email in the first place, so if someone can enlighten me here that would be great. Ive surpassed my quota of ¨im confused¨ emails this week when it comes to the navy.

If you are supposed to be at the USS Constitution (that would be with a captial "C"), I am suspecting you are in Boston. The ceremony in question is a formal event to confer your newly achieved rank in a very Navy setting. I think this is a wonderful opportunity for members, family and friends.

There are no requirements for any kind of ceremony. I did mine the morning of graduation at the recruiting office. I wore my whites, but it could just have easily been done in civilian attire. The key is for you to sign all of the appropriate documents to promote you to LT. Your date of rank will be graduation even if you sign a week later. Hang on to a copy of this documentation. The original needs to go to BUPERS ASAP.
 

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You can't be superceded until you graduate. So, your promotion should be on your grad day or a day or two after.

Not true. The rule is that you can supercede once you fulfill the requirements for graduation from your university. For some people, the requirements will be finished well before graduation.

You won't be paid until you report for Active Duty. So when you actually sign is of no significance. Your date of rank will be your grad date regardless of which day you sign.

Yes, but the date of your promotion is important for future promotions. I forget who, but one of the attendings on this board mentioned that by putting on O3 significantly earlier than his classmates, he was able to get promoted much sooner.
 

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Not true. The rule is that you can supercede once you fulfill the requirements for graduation from your university. For some people, the requirements will be finished well before graduation.



Yes, but the date of your promotion is important for future promotions. I forget who, but one of the attendings on this board mentioned that by putting on O3 significantly earlier than his classmates, he was able to get promoted much sooner.

I really think NavyFP is right about this, the promotion date that is. Your date of rank will be the first day you report for active duty.

You don't really have to go to the ceremony. The most important part is to just sign your oath of office, which has to be "administered" (read: co-signed) by an officer (of greater rank, I believe) in good standing with the military. Technically, I think you're supposed to recite the oath in the presence of that officer as well.

I know this because my father, who is a retired colonel, administered by oath to O-3 in one of the bedroom's of my apartment. We printed out a paper copy of the flag and taped it to the wall, since I think you're supposed to have a flag present. Even though my oath of office was dated well before I both graduated from medical school and came on active duty, my date in rank is still the latter.
 

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Not true. The rule is that you can supercede once you fulfill the requirements for graduation from your university. For some people, the requirements will be finished well before graduation.

True, but you would have to actively apply for that. The HPSP office uses your date of gradutation unless it is given official notification from the school that requirements have been met and a degree has been conferred. Some schools will not do this. Johns Hopkins has one graduation date per year. If you do not have your requirements completed by that date, you have to wait until the next cycle.

Yes, but the date of your promotion is important for future promotions. I forget who, but one of the attendings on this board mentioned that by putting on O3 significantly earlier than his classmates, he was able to get promoted much sooner.

Absolutely, but the official date of rank will be your graduation date. If you sign the paperwork a week later, your date of rank is still graduation day.

We are arguing semantics, but they are important. The devil is in the details.
 

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Is this ceremony just for Navy? I am a 4th yr Air Force HPSP student in Boston but did not receive this email. I got a letter with a form to mail in for my reappointment. I am supposed to take the oath by any commissioned officer (AD, retired, reserves) in any branch or a notary public.
 

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Is this strictly a ceremonial event or is attendance required? I suspect it is strictly a ceremonial event for congratulatory purposes where the date of rank is irrelevant, and attendance is not required. In the military, "required" participation in an event >50 miles from home has to be paid.

I had some recruiters try to say attendance at a HPSP briefing 150 miles away was "required", when in fact the recruiters were trying to up the numbers of attendees in their area of responsibility. I corrected them on their attempted BS. The recruiters also implied I was under the chain of command, which is also nonsense.

So, if it is a promotion ceremony that is nice to invite the family and fits your school's grad dates, great. Otherwise, have the Dean at your school organize a local event.
 

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Is this ceremony just for Navy? I am a 4th yr Air Force HPSP student in Boston but did not receive this email. I got a letter with a form to mail in for my reappointment. I am supposed to take the oath by any commissioned officer (AD, retired, reserves) in any branch or a notary public.

It is a Navy event. Does that mean AF can't participate. No, but you would need to contact the Boston Recruiting Office to arrange it.

Is this strictly a ceremonial event or is attendance required? I suspect it is strictly a ceremonial event for congratulatory purposes where the date of rank is irrelevant, and attendance is not required. In the military, "required" participation in an event >50 miles from home has to be paid.

I had some recruiters try to say attendance at a HPSP briefing 150 miles away was "required", when in fact the recruiters were trying to up the numbers of attendees in their area of responsibility. I corrected them on their attempted BS. The recruiters also implied I was under the chain of command, which is also nonsense.

So, if it is a promotion ceremony that is nice to invite the family and fits your school's grad dates, great. Otherwise, have the Dean at your school organize a local event.

It is purely a ceremony, attendance is not mandatory. But I would encourage Boston student's to attend. I have heard it is very cool.
 

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Your date of rank is the date you graduate from medical school.
The important part is signing the documents, and this does often take place before your graduation. I think mine was a week or so before with a bunch of my classmates.
I went to med school in Boston, but we didn't get to go to the Constitution for our 'ceremony', it was at the MEPS center where we had our physicals done. I think that it's great that they offer the opportunity for you to do something like that.
 

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If you are supposed to be at the USS Constitution (that would be with a captial "C"), I am suspecting you are in Boston. The ceremony in question is a formal event to confer your newly achieved rank in a very Navy setting. I think this is a wonderful opportunity for members, family and friends.

There are no requirements for any kind of ceremony. I did mine the morning of graduation at the recruiting office. I wore my whites, but it could just have easily been done in civilian attire. The key is for you to sign all of the appropriate documents to promote you to LT. Your date of rank will be graduation even if you sign a week later. Hang on to a copy of this documentation. The original needs to go to BUPERS ASAP.


Thanks. That makes a lot more sense. I got the impression that it was a required event and I assumed that I needed to be in DC or where ever the other constitution is held...the document...is that even in DC? we didn't cover that at OIS. Sounds cool. If I were going to be around that day I would attend, but be on a different planet, unfortunitely.
 
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