Sadly Uninformed Premed Students...

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The legality of something does not determine its effect (gotta watch out for the grammar police) on society. We have gone over this numerous times but you have failed to realize this apparently. Speeding is illegal, and most of us do it everyday. The speed limit is 55 and I go 60, therefore I am breaking the law, however, you would be hard pressed to call this "socially abhorrent" behavior. I drank when I was 15, therefore another illegal act. Socially abhorrent? I think not. I had sex before I was 18, another illegal act, socially abhorrent? I would hope not....
 
The legality of something does not determine its effect (gotta watch out for the grammar police) on society. We have gone over this numerous times but you have failed to realize this apparently. Speeding is illegal, and most of us do it everyday. The speed limit is 55 and I go 60, therefore I am breaking the law, however, you would be hard pressed to call this "socially abhorrent" behavior. I drank when I was 15, therefore another illegal act. Socially abhorrent? I think not. I had sex before I was 18, another illegal act, socially abhorrent? I would hope not....

I don't think sex before 18 is illegal... atleast it's not in this state.
 
It is statutory rape if someone under 18 has sex, at least in NY, or maybe I'm mistaken...

People under 18 can have sex with each and people over 18 can have sex with each other. Its statutory rape if someone 18+ has sex with someone under 18.
 
I stand corrected...I did a little reading and I was wrong. Bleg, show me where I said statutory rape was ok? I made the incorrect assertion that having sex under 18 was illegal. On this same topic, a kid in Georgia was arrested for receiving oral sex from a girl. He was 17 and she was 15 and it was CONSENSUAL. He ended up getting 10 years in jail for the offense. Socially abhorrent, again, I hope not because then many "good" people I know will now be considered a bad person because they received oral sex.
 
This thread has evolved into something far worse than I ever could have imagined. I feel like Batman, when he realized that his protegee(robin) was really just out for his money...
 
I slept through high school. Literally. Every class, I'd put my head down and go to sleep. My buddy did the same thing, except he brought a pillow to school. It was the only thing he brought in his backpack.


haha i did the exact same thing. I brought a pillow to classes in HS.
 
This thread has evolved into something far worse than I ever could have imagined. I feel like Batman, when he realized that his protegee(robin) was really just out for his money...

LOL having 124 posts you should know that this is commonplace for SDN!😱
 
You know what's funny, whoknows? I'm 47 and you're 23 and you are lecturing me and calling me childish.

Well, *I* think it's kinda funny.

Well you lived during the days of Harry Anslinger where he had scientists say smoking pot will give you uncontrollable urges to rape and murder, so I'm not suprised of your viewpoint. Also you asked another person what they got on the verbal score on the MCAT, you realize there's no evidence it kills brain cells. That conclusion was from a study in the 70's where a doctor gave a monkey with a mask on 60 joints worth of smoke over 5 minutes everyday for 3 months. What your saying is like no one should drink alcohol because they'll be alcoholics.
 
Well you lived during the days of Harry Anslinger where he had scientists say smoking pot will give you uncontrollable urges to rape and murder, so I'm not suprised of your viewpoint. Also you asked another person what they got on the verbal score on the MCAT, you realize there's no evidence it kills brain cells. That conclusion was from a study in the 70's where a doctor gave a monkey 60 joints worth of smoke over 5 minutes. Also just because your wife's family have had problems with it doesn't mean it's completely bad. While I'm sorry to hear that, that's like saying no one should drink alcohol because they'll be alcoholics.

Both those were directed at me, a current medical student. Its funny Bleg must be projecting because he is the one currently trying to get into medical school at age 47. I'll have the last laugh though, as there will eventually be letters after my name that I will have earned with my dedication and hard work, while this guy complains about how smoking pot is socially abhorrent.
 
Agreed. So do you. So do I. But the point is, when society grants all the privileges of adulthood (e.g. voting), it also requires the duties of adulthood. You can't suddenly backpedal and say, "Oh, well, he's only a kid." If he's an adult in the context of rights, he's an adult in the context of responsibilities.

No, being young doesn't relieve him of his duties, and I didn't say that it does. That's a straw man argument. His young age simply helps explain his poor choices since it's more common for young people to make mistakes like selling drugs. This is a very simple concept to understand, so try harder next time.

Amazing. So you are able to "put his behavior in it's [sic] proper social and moral context" but I am not?

Yes, because I study ethics and you don't. Your flawed arguments make that obvious. Thanks for catching that misplaced apostrophe, though. If only you were as competent at scrutinizing ideas as you are syntax.

And how do you demonstrate this miraculous ability of yours? Simply asserting it does not make it so, and the fact that your opinion agrees with you is a bit circular to use as proof.

Simply asserting it does not make it so, but thoughtful argumentation does. It's clear that our drug laws have been flawed for the past one hundred years, which is compelling evidence that they don't dictate what is moral. Further evidence is provided by case studies of individuals engaging in drug-related crimes that don't have a negative impact on society, such as personal marijuana cultivation and consumption for medical purposes--a clear violation of federal law. From a utilitarian standpoint, their consumption of marijuana for medical purposes is the right thing to do since it maximizes utility.

Nor did I suggest any such thing. To refresh your memory, look here.

In other words, you're aware that your statement is false from a clinical standpoint, and you're pivoting to "casual" definitions to save your argument. Nice try but unfortunately your argument still fails. I've already established that just because something is illegal doesn't make it unethical, so whether or not selling illegal drugs is unethical varies on a case-by-case basis. Just because selling illegal drugs "tends" to destroy society--a highly speculative claim since most people who buy marijuana aren't harmed--doesn't mean that it always does. There are cases where no harm is caused to anyone whether directly or indirectly.

The word "illegal" should be a sure tipoff to you that the activity is socially abhorrent.

Most Americans disagree. I could cite other evidence, but I'll let you off easy.

This has nothing to do with the topic. You are merely demonstrating your heavy biases in this area.

Actually, it has a lot to do with the topic. It's evidence that the drug laws in this country are flawed and don't serve as ethical guidelines. So despite your insistence that violating them is wrong, that's clearly not the case. If you're not happy where your claims are leading this discussion then perhaps you should refrain from making them.
 
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I can't argue with someone who maintains that statutory rape is not socially abhorrent.

This is why your arguments are kind of ridiculous. So statutory rape is socially abhorrent.... okay, I'll run with it. But which state is right? If you're in north carolina, 16 is the age of consent as long as you're within 4 years of the person you're having sex with. But this is different than new york, which apparently says two 17 years olds are raping each other? Idk. But obviously the laws in states are different. So which state is the most socially abhorrent? And which ones are virtuous?
 
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