"Satisfied" MD schools

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I've heard everywhere that med school will be mostly studying and little social interaction. Most schools just have a few lectures and the students spend time studying afterwards.

Could you guys list the names of a bunch of medical schools that are actually self-satisfying overall?
I'm referring to those in which the faculty and the school actually cares about their students and wants them to do well. I'd rather not be stuck in a med school where the norm is to be dull and lifeless, but am looking for some to apply that actually make the 4 years exciting and a bit more enjoyable.

So... anyone know of MD schools that fit this bill? (East Coast preferred, but would also be interested in knowing about other schools around the US with good OOS rates)

 

[el_duderino]

I don't think there are any MD schools that don't "care about their students" or "want them to do well." I'm not sure what that has to do with medical school being "exciting" and "enjoyable."

 

[lmn]

How about you instead try to give me a list of schools that don't care about their students? I'd be fairly surprised if you can come up with even one really.

Med schools just by definition have a huge stage in the investment of producing outstanding physicians from their school, why would they not care about their students and not want them to do well? Plus, why would any physician choose to teach in a medical school, preceptorship, or 3rd/4th year students in the hospital/clinics if they didn't want to help teach new physicians to be the best that they can be? Why waste their time and deal with all the headaches of having to work with medical students learning a new profession if they didn't enjoy it and want to help them succeed?

 

[Low Flow]

Being in medical school, studying what you love, to become what you aspire to be, should be exciting. No medical school will ruin that for you if that's what you really enjoy doing. The only people who are miserable in medical school are the ones who are doing it for the title, and not because it's what they love.

 

[el_duderino]

Being in medical school, studying what you love, to become what you aspire to be, should be exciting. No medical school will ruin that for you if that's what you really enjoy doing. The only people who are miserable in medical school are the ones who are doing it for the title, and not because it's what they love.

Says the premed.

I think I'll enjoy medical school because I enjoy school in general. But I'm going to medical school to become a physician, not because I love studying so much.

 

[Low Flow]

You're right, studying plays no part in your success as a physician. Once you become a physician you never have to study again! Oh wait...

 

[masaraksh]

Caribbean.

M.D. - check
East Coast - check
Beaches - check

 

[sazerac]

I've heard everywhere that med school will be mostly studying and little social interaction. Most schools just have a few lectures and the students spend time studying afterwards.

Could you guys list the names of a bunch of medical schools that are actually self-satisfying overall?
I'm referring to those in which the faculty and the school actually cares about their students and wants them to do well. I'd rather not be stuck in a med school where the norm is to be dull and lifeless, but am looking for some to apply that actually make the 4 years exciting and a bit more enjoyable.

So... anyone know of MD schools that fit this bill? (East Coast preferred, but would also be interested in knowing about other schools around the US with good OOS rates)

Pre-clinical medical education is dull and lifeless. Are you sure you are looking for a school that tries to make that subject socially self-satisfying, such as forcing social interaction with required PBLs and stuff?

Or do you want to be looking for a school where there are options outside of the medical school to get "satisfied"?

 

[Doctor Strange]

Being in medical school, studying what you love, to become what you aspire to be, should be exciting. No medical school will ruin that for you if that's what you really enjoy doing. The only people who are miserable in medical school are the ones who are doing it for the title, and not because it's what they love.

No offense, but this statement is so incredibly naive.

That being said, OP, students generally are "happiest" and have the most free time in Pass/Fail type schools. The Honors/Pass/Fail non-curved schools are generally the same way, as well. Probably the best judge of a school, however, is actually going there and talking with students.

 

[Low Flow]

I'm sure that's how it sounds. All I'm trying to say is, if you genuinely enjoy the acadmeics of medicine, chances are you're going to enjoy medical school, seeing as how the first two years are classroom-based. It's not like enjoying the academics of it and wanting to be a physician for additional reasons are mutually exclusive.

No offense, but this statement is so incredibly naive.

That being said, OP, students generally are "happiest" and have the most free time in Pass/Fail type schools. The Honors/Pass/Fail non-curved schools are generally the same way, as well. Probably the best judge of a school, however, is actually going there and talking with students.[/Q

 

[Psai]

Being in medical school, studying what you love, to become what you aspire to be, should be exciting. No medical school will ruin that for you if that's what you really enjoy doing. The only people who are miserable in medical school are the ones who are doing it for the title, and not because it's what they love.

hahaha
No one's doing it for the title. All these fake wannabe doctors are already in the process of stealing away "doctor" from us with their bs arguments. You have to tell patients that you're a "real doctor" for people to understand who you are since everyone and their grandmothers gets a white coat and a fake doctorate these days. Also we now have nurses trying to call themselves physicians. Podiatrists and chiropractors are already doing so.

 

[masaraksh]

I'm sure that's how it sounds. All I'm trying to say is, if you genuinely enjoy the acadmeics of medicine, chances are you're going to enjoy medical school, seeing as how the first two years are classroom-based. It's not like enjoying the academics of it and wanting to be a physician for additional reasons are mutually exclusive.

That's so cute

 

[masaraksh]

hahaha
No one's doing it for the title. All these fake wannabe doctors are already in the process of stealing away "doctor" from us with their bs arguments. You have to tell patients that you're a "real doctor" for people to understand who you are since everyone and their grandmothers gets a white coat and a fake doctorate these days. Also we now have nurses trying to call themselves physicians. Podiatrists and chiropractors are already doing so.

... you're forgetting PhDs. They're not even doctor wannabe's but call themselves doctor.

 

[jb94mg]

hahaha
No one's doing it for the title. All these fake wannabe doctors are already in the process of stealing away "doctor" from us with their bs arguments. You have to tell patients that you're a "real doctor" for people to understand who you are since everyone and their grandmothers gets a white coat and a fake doctorate these days. Also we now have nurses trying to call themselves physicians. Podiatrists and chiropractors are already doing so.

I went to a chiropractor who labeled himself a "chiropractic physician." 😕 He also made sure to put "Dr." in front of his name. Gotta show everyone how important you are!

 

[mehc012]

Says the premed.

I think I'll enjoy medical school because I enjoy school in general. But I'm going to medical school to become a physician, not because I love studying so much.

I'm actually just as excited about studying that much as I am about practicing medicine. Maybe even a slight bit more...

 

[mehc012]

... you're forgetting PhDs. They're not even doctor wannabe's but call themselves doctor.

I think you've got that one backwards...

 

[DermViser]

... you're forgetting PhDs. They're not even doctor wannabe's but call themselves doctor.

@masaraksh, PhDs are doctors. I have yet to see a PhD use the title of doctor in a clinical setting.

 

[deanthedream17]

I went to a chiropractor who labeled himself a "chiropractic physician." 😕 He also made sure to put "Dr." in front of his name. Gotta show everyone how important you are!

chiropractors have some sort of jealousy complex in my experience where they try to show they are on the same level as physicians

 

[masaraksh]

chiropractors have some sort of jealousy complex in my experience where they try to show they are on the same level as physicians

Maybe doctors just have a god complex

 

[CherryRedDracul]

Maybe doctors just have a god complex

 

[Serous Demilune]

I've heard everywhere that med school will be mostly studying and little social interaction. Most schools just have a few lectures and the students spend time studying afterwards.

Could you guys list the names of a bunch of medical schools that are actually self-satisfying overall?
I'm referring to those in which the faculty and the school actually cares about their students and wants them to do well. I'd rather not be stuck in a med school where the norm is to be dull and lifeless, but am looking for some to apply that actually make the 4 years exciting and a bit more enjoyable.

So... anyone know of MD schools that fit this bill? (East Coast preferred, but would also be interested in knowing about other schools around the US with good OOS rates)

You can try being an adult and find fulfillment yourself without someone else doing it for you. Medical school is graduate school. The only thing they want from you is to jump through their hurdles, match, and GTFO. Find satisfaction on your own.

 

[DermViser]

How about you instead try to give me a list of schools that don't care about their students? I'd be fairly surprised if you can come up with even one really.

Med schools just by definition have a huge stage in the investment of producing outstanding physicians from their school, why would they not care about their students and not want them to do well? Plus, why would any physician choose to teach in a medical school, preceptorship, or 3rd/4th year students in the hospital/clinics if they didn't want to help teach new physicians to be the best that they can be? Why waste their time and deal with all the headaches of having to work with medical students learning a new profession if they didn't enjoy it and want to help them succeed?

They could care less if they're outstanding. They do however, want them to match (although not necessarily that person's specialty of choice).

With respect to bolded - you will learn the realities of this soon enough.

 

[deanthedream17]

Maybe doctors just have a god complex

Some definitely do, but a lot do not. On the other hand, I really feel like from the chiropractors I have seen go out of their way to try to compare themselves to physicians or act like they are the same. My bros friend in chiropractic school actually posted a chart of course work of chiropractors vs physicians where he tried to make the argument that chiropractors have more training than physicians.

 

[masaraksh]

Some definitely do, but a lot do not. On the other hand, I really feel like from the chiropractors I have seen go out of their way to try to compare themselves to physicians or act like they are the same. My bros friend in chiropractic school actually posted a chart of course work of chiropractors vs physicians where he tried to make the argument that chiropractors have more training than physicians.

Thats a good number of classes:

"Graduates of chiropractic schools receive the degree Doctor of Chiropractic (DC), and are eligible to seek licensure in all jurisdictions. The Council on Chiropractic Education(CCE) sets minimum guidelines for chiropractic colleges;[11] all 18 chiropractic institutions are accredited by the CCE. The minimum prerequisite for enrollment in a chiropractic college set forth by the CCE is 90 semester hours, and the minimum cumulative GPA for a student entering is 2.5 on a 4.0 scale.[12] Common prerequisite classes include those of the biological, chemical, & physical sciences, including: human anatomy and physiology, embryology, genetics, microbiology, immunology, cellular biology, exercise physiology, kinesiology, general chemistry, organic chemistry, analytical chemistry, biochemistry, toxicology/pharmacology, nutrition, nuclear medicine, physics,biomechanics, and statistics.[13] In 1997, American chiropractic schools tended to have lower entry requirements than medical or dental schools.[14] In 2005, only one chiropractic college required a bachelors degree as an admission requirement.[15]"

 

[gyngyn]

@masaraksh, PhDs are doctors. I have yet to see a PhD use the title of doctor in a clinical setting.

In a clinical setting, they are not called "doctor."

 

[masaraksh]

In a clinical setting, they are not called "doctor."

Ok,

so at one of my interviews, I sat down with a faculty member. He had a white coat and all. Introduced himself as Dr. whatever. Said he's a nephrologist. ... Interview happened.

Then, I get back to my computer and start stalking him online to get his email and write a thank you note. BOOM. Dude was a PhD. Mind Blown.

 

[DermViser]

In a clinical setting, they are not called "doctor."

Exactly. They know that. DNPs don't.

 

[gyngyn]

Ok,

so at one of my interviews, I sat down with a faculty member. He had a white coat and all. Introduced himself as Dr. whatever. Said he's a nephrologist. ... Interview happened.

Then, I get back to my computer and start stalking him online to get his email and write a thank you note. BOOM. Dude was a PhD. Mind Blown.

Where I work, there are explicit rules that restrict the use of the title, "Dr." in order to be transparent to patients. That includes all PhD's (nurses, PA's...). It cannot be used on coats (especially white coats) or used by the person or those addressing him/her.

 

[deanthedream17]

Thats a good number of classes:

"Graduates of chiropractic schools receive the degree Doctor of Chiropractic (DC), and are eligible to seek licensure in all jurisdictions. The Council on Chiropractic Education(CCE) sets minimum guidelines for chiropractic colleges;[11] all 18 chiropractic institutions are accredited by the CCE. The minimum prerequisite for enrollment in a chiropractic college set forth by the CCE is 90 semester hours, and the minimum cumulative GPA for a student entering is 2.5 on a 4.0 scale.[12] Common prerequisite classes include those of the biological, chemical, & physical sciences, including: human anatomy and physiology, embryology, genetics, microbiology, immunology, cellular biology, exercise physiology, kinesiology, general chemistry, organic chemistry, analytical chemistry, biochemistry, toxicology/pharmacology, nutrition, nuclear medicine, physics,biomechanics, and statistics.[13] In 1997, American chiropractic schools tended to have lower entry requirements than medical or dental schools.[14] In 2005, only one chiropractic college required a bachelors degree as an admission requirement.[15]"

The don't have more training. His argument completed negated the fact that a residency program is required to practice.

 

[tennisguitar]

I've heard everywhere that med school will be mostly studying and little social interaction. Most schools just have a few lectures and the students spend time studying afterwards.

Could you guys list the names of a bunch of medical schools that are actually self-satisfying overall?
I'm referring to those in which the faculty and the school actually cares about their students and wants them to do well. I'd rather not be stuck in a med school where the norm is to be dull and lifeless, but am looking for some to apply that actually make the 4 years exciting and a bit more enjoyable.

So... anyone know of MD schools that fit this bill? (East Coast preferred, but would also be interested in knowing about other schools around the US with good OOS rates)

I'm not sure where you heard this but this is not my experience at all. I've had a lot of fun in medical school, maybe more so than in college, and I had a lot of fun in college. There have been countless times where I've been hesitant to ditch the library for a few hours to hit up a sports bar to watch a game and grab a beer, go see a movie, or take a night off. Very few, if any, times have I found myself in a position where I truly wished I had those hours back. It is true that med school is a ton of work, but I find that having the same exact coursework as each of your peers for essentially the first time in your life since probably 5th grade really sets up a great atmosphere where it does seem like you are all in it together (cue High School Musical theme song). Things I wish I'd truly known before I started: 1) The faculty want you to succeed--it would be extremely bizarre if they didn't, 2) Admissions committees are smart and good at what they do, so try not to question why you were offered this amazing opportunity, and 3) Don't completely invest in all advice/suggestions you may hear from an upperclassman, resident, professor, etc.--that's cause for you to start second guessing all the things that you;ve done right that got you here in the first place.

 

[Plecopotamus]

How about you instead try to give me a list of schools that don't care about their students? I'd be fairly surprised if you can come up with even one really.

I can come up with at least 1 MD and 1 DO program that seem to regularly produce disgruntled alumni.

You make a mistake in your assumption that everybody involved wants to teach and nurture young physicians. Some of what i've perceived to be the unhappiest places seem to run more like businesses when it comes to administration, and they share a common habit of sending students to community (non-teaching, non-academic, non-residency) sites for rotations outside the scope of primary care. Shockingly, doctors who pursued a career at a non-teaching site might not like or be good at it (conversely, some are amazing), and the students suffer from a lack of curriculum continuity as they bounce around rotation to rotation. When you hit residency interviews and realize your advising was piss poor and that your rotation in your field was a joke compared to the applicants, it's apparently hard not to feel screwed by your high tuition school.

My school was a happy place. I think most places are, because there's camaraderie in the grind of med school.

 

[Got Heem]

Harvard has ultimate frisbee every Tuesday at 6pm, definitely something to keep in mind OP.

 

[mehc012]

I'm not sure where you heard this but this is not my experience at all. I've had a lot of fun in medical school, maybe more so than in college, and I had a lot of fun in college. There have been countless times where I've been hesitant to ditch the library for a few hours to hit up a sports bar to watch a game and grab a beer, go see a movie, or take a night off. Very few, if any, times have I found myself in a position where I truly wished I had those hours back. It is true that med school is a ton of work, but I find that having the same exact coursework as each of your peers for essentially the first time in your life since probably 5th grade really sets up a great atmosphere where it does seem like you are all in it together (cue High School Musical theme song). Things I wish I'd truly known before I started: 1) The faculty want you to succeed--it would be extremely bizarre if they didn't, 2) Admissions committees are smart and good at what they do, so try not to question why you were offered this amazing opportunity, and 3) Don't completely invest in all advice/suggestions you may hear from an upperclassman, resident, professor, etc.--that's cause for you to start second guessing all the things that you;ve done right that got you here in the first place.

This is what I'm looking forward to most

 

[mehc012]

Harvard has ultimate frisbee every Tuesday at 6pm, definitely something to keep in mind OP.

Damn, now I've gotta get into Harvard, I miss ulti!

 

[jakeislove]

I went to a chiropractor who labeled himself a "chiropractic physician." 😕 He also made sure to put "Dr." in front of his name. Gotta show everyone how important you are!

Being able to put "physician" after chiropractor is acceptable in some states.