Scared of Basic

[Valvool]

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What if I physically cannot do what is asked of me? What if I can't run anymore and my superior tells me to keep running? What if I start crying? What if I hurt my knees again like I did this past January doing sprints?--I only just started running again, it took them a while to heal.

I am on psychiatric medications since Sept. Should I have already informed the military of that? Will I be allowed to bring aforementioned medications to basic? Does being a psych case disqualify me from the HPSP program?

What if I cry every day because I miss my children?

Do I have to do military rotations? I don't want to live away from my family after basic this summer and military rotations would entail living away. I don't want to do any military rotations, not even one.

Any answers from someone who has experienced this would be appreciated.

 

[notdeadyet]

Do I have to do military rotations? I don't want to live away from my family after basic this summer and military rotations would entail living away. I don't want to do any military rotations, not even one.

How exactly were you planning on handling 6-12 month deployments? I'm confused. You aren't in HPSP already, are you?

 

[colbgw02]

Either you're a troll, or you are the whiniest poster I've ever seen. Either way, I really hope you haven't signed up for HPSP.

 

[Valvool]

I am in HPSP, yes. I wasn't worrying about deployment yet, that is many years away and my three-year-old will be older and it won't be as traumatic. I am worried about what is right in front of me, basic.

 

[Valvool]

No, I am not a troll. Perhaps you could categorize me as whiny; I am entitled to have my fears however.

 

[mslall]

I hope you're in the air force....or navy

 

[COMBAT MEDIC172]

If it makes you feel any better I went though basic out of shape with a broken foot. By the time you are ready to leave you will pass your test. From the way it sounds you are a female. The standards for passing a P.T. test for females are really easy. I am sure someone is going to berate me for that comment, however it is the truth. I graded a P.T. test for one of my Docs two weeks ago and it was obvious that she did not train for it. She passed just fine, with two extra minutes on the run. I think females in my age bracket get over 20 minutes to run two miles. I have to do mine in 16:36; do you see where I am going with this? I don’t know who decided that men run so much faster.
Anyways I think that you will do fine, but correct me if I am wrong it sounds like you used the Military for the money and now do not want to hold up your part of the bargain, or are thinking of joining for the money. If any of the previous are correct then you are making a huge mistake and the Military will have you complete what you signed up for whether you like it or not. So you need to do some soul searching and if you did not already sign up, find some other ways to fund your educations. Good luck.

P.S. And yes you should have already informed them of your medical situation.

 

[Valvool]

No....I am in the Army.

 

[Valvool]

Yes, money was a factor--and I already commissioned so I have made the committment and understand that I have to follow through. I am not worried about passing the tests, actually, my main worries are about public humiliation and not being able to mask emotion...I have heard it can be fairly abusive.

 

[IgD]

Whether you are military or not, you've got to learn how to control your emotions. Why not go to the gym now and work with a trainer to build some confidence?

 

[colbgw02]

Yes, money was a factor--and I already commissioned so I have made the committment and understand that I have to follow through. I am not worried about passing the tests, actually, my main worries are about public humiliation and not being able to mask emotion...I have heard it can be fairly abusive.

It's really not that big of a deal. If you think it's tough, then that's only because you lack perspective. Just about all other training the Army conducts is exponentially tougher than medical corps OBC (or whatever they're calling it nowadays).

If somebody gets on your case, just go into cruise-control and use your 4-point responses. It's very rarely personal.

 

[Valvool]

Yeah, the other HPSP people at my school get together on weekends and do training, and train each other, and run together....they have asked me to come numerous times but I don't want to be seen doing physical activity. Not until I have to anyway. I suppose that is lack of confidence.

I do cry easily. Has anyone reading this been to basic and seen someone weeping in a heap? Does that happen or is that only in the movies?

 

[notdeadyet]

I do cry easily. Has anyone reading this been to basic and seen someone weeping in a heap? Does that happen or is that only in the movies?

Don't confuse OBC with "basic training" that the enlisted Army go through. OBC is not the same as basic training.

 

[The White Coat Investor]

Yeah, the other HPSP people at my school get together on weekends and do training, and train each other, and run together....they have asked me to come numerous times but I don't want to be seen doing physical activity. Not until I have to anyway. I suppose that is lack of confidence.

I do cry easily. Has anyone reading this been to basic and seen someone weeping in a heap? Does that happen or is that only in the movies?

WTH? The HPSP students get together to train? That's weird. Definite troll.

 

[SketchsaurusRex]

man the **** up and grow a pair...(not necessarily in that order). you're in the military now and you should have thought about this before you signed.

 

[DrMetal]

from someone who has experienced this would be appreciated.

Basic should be the least of your concerns. It's not so bad, sometimes referred to as a "summer camp". If you're even mildly athletic, you can train and get ready for it. You'll get through it just fine (if you're morbidly obese, then that might be another story). If you're on psych meds, yes, certainly the military should know about it. If you hide the fact, this could get you into a lot of hot water. Your illness may or may not preclude you from military service; you should be honest and forthcoming with your doctors (both military and civilian), to make sure that you're capable of service.

Instead of being so concerned about basic, you should be a lot more concerned about the other things you mentioned (being away from family for a prolonged period of time, away from your kids, deploying etc). Yeah you're kid's only 3 now, so in seven year he/she will be 10. Would you be more willing/able to deploy then??? Being away from your kids (no matter what their age) is always hard.

 

[ValeRx]

Yeah, the other HPSP people at my school get together on weekends and do training, and train each other, and run together....they have asked me to come numerous times but I don't want to be seen doing physical activity. Not until I have to anyway. I suppose that is lack of confidence.

I do cry easily. Has anyone reading this been to basic and seen someone weeping in a heap? Does that happen or is that only in the movies?

I bet you'd be like Oppam (sp?) on Saving Private Ryan. Sit there weeping on the stairs while your soldiers are killed in the next room.

 

[notdeadyet]

man the **** up and grow a pair...(not necessarily in that order). you're in the military now and you should have thought about this before you signed.

I bet you'd be like Oppam (sp?) on Saving Private Ryan. Sit there weeping on the stairs while your soldiers are killed in the next room.

This thread is starting to smell like Pre-Allo. Waiting for the SDN nugget of "Are you going to be that way with your patients?"...

 

[COMBAT MEDIC172]

I have seen people wet their pants in basic and plenty of people freaked and were depressed, however this was mostly due to the fact that they were just kids and have never been away from home. I went to basic at Fort Sill, so it was all male. I am sure the soldiers at Fort Jackson see far more crying. The Army has changed greatly and basic is loner as strict or tough as it once was. It’s all a mental game, and I am sure you will do just fine. When it is said and done you will look back and will be glad you have had that memory and experience.

 

[ValeRx]

I am sick of people taking advantage of the military for money to pay for school and wimping out. They think it's all fun and games but eventually they realize that peoples lives are at stake. All of a sudden they whine and complain about the commitment they made, the OPTEMPO, etc.

YES you will deploy. YES you will be away from home, probably for long periods of time. Please do tell your commander that you are on zoloft or prozac. Hopefully he'll process you out so you don't put somebody else at risk due to your condition.

What if I cry every day because I miss my children?

Then you will sit and cry and have to deal with it.

Do I have to do military rotations? I don't want to live away from my family after basic this summer and military rotations would entail living away. I don't want to do any military rotations, not even one.

Yes, you do. You will go where you are ordered to go and stay there as long as your orders state. You will not be given special treatment and I doubt anyone will have any sympathy because a majority of the people there knew the deal and are sucking it up. Don't want to do any rotations? Too f'n bad. You shouldn't have joined the military to pay for your school.

 

[244913]

Hey ValeUC, you ever deployed, sport?

Ever spent a day on active duty? Not AD for training.

To the OP, Army OBLC for Med is not hard. Women's physical standards are ridiculously low. They'll split you up into PT groups based on your ability. When I went some time back we didn't even take a real APFT, just a diagnostic. Stop fretting and start jogging. You'll be OK.

And if any drill sergeants give you guff, they have to preface it with "ma'am."

Maybe we'll be out of the Mid-East by the time you come on AD.

61N

 

[DrMetal]

Hey ValeUC, you ever deployed, sport?

Ever spent a day on active duty? Not AD for training.

To the OP, Army OBLC for Med is not hard. Women's physical standards are ridiculously low. They'll split you up into PT groups based on your ability. When I went some time back we didn't even take a real APFT, just a diagnostic. Stop fretting and start jogging. You'll be OK.

And if any drill sergeants give you guff, they have to preface it with "ma'am."

Maybe we'll be out of the Mid-East by the time you come on AD.

61N

Amazing how many people come out of the woodwork for a hot thread on the milmed forum. Glad to see it.

Although Vale's post above is condescending in tone, the content of it (and the seriousness of the tone) is accurate, IMO.

And as far as being "out of the Mid-East by the time you come on AD" . . . I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you're trying to paint a rosier picture, you can stop right there. Yes, we may be out of the mid-east, but I wouldn't bet on that. And we may be roughhousing in another beautiful part of the world.

The bottom line is that this business is very unpredictable and at times dangerous (an O-3 medical service corps officer was killed a few weeks ago while jogging on base, in AF). When you sign the dotted-line, you are taking a risk, make no mistake about that.

To the OP: What does your civilian doctor (the one who diagnosed/prescribed you the psych meds) think about your decision to join the military (aka to be in a foreign, possibly stressful, lonely environment)? I ask b/c this doctor (and not a mil doc) is probably the most knowledgeable person about your situation. My bet is he/she has advised you against it. If the case, I'd heed that advice.

 

[The White Coat Investor]

Weird or not, that's what we do. Tulane has more medical students on a military scholarship than any allopathic school other than USUHS, so the military club is pretty active and gets a lot of support from our local recruiters. The club kicked it off by getting us all in uniform for the white coat ceremony. Since then they have hosted paintballing, a kayaking trip, cookouts, a lot of lunchtime speakers, and yes, they have started holding occasional weekend training sessions to help get people ready for basic training.

What happens at said weekend training sessions? You do a few push-ups and go for a jog? Practice marching?

Didn't you folks get the memo that there is nothing to get ready for? The PT is practically optional.

I still say that's weird. We had quite a few HPSP folks at my school and we NEVER got together to train. Drink maybe. Talk maybe. But train? Am I the only one who thinks that's a little weird?

 

[notdeadyet]

I ask b/c this doctor (and not a mil doc) is probably the most knowledgeable person about your situation. My bet is he/she has advised you against it. If the case, I'd heed that advice.

What advice? The OP is an Army HPSP student. Not trying to decide whether or not to join.

 

[Perrotfish]

What happens at said weekend training sessions? You do a few push-ups and go for a jog? Practice marching?

More or less. They run through a practice PFT every once in a while so you won't be so nervous about it when you do the real thing.

I still say that's weird. We had quite a few HPSP folks at my school and we NEVER got together to train. Drink maybe. Talk maybe. But train? Am I the only one who thinks that's a little weird?

It's not like we are running to cadence ever day. They go through a dry run of a PFT a couple of times and give you a sheet of basic knowledge to memorize in advance. No one with the mentality to get into medical school wants to be at the bottom of their class in anything, and anything includes the PFT and ODS/COT/whatever. Honestly the spectre of ODS has gotten me into the best shape I've been in for quite awhile, even though I know perfectly well I'm already in way better shape than what's required of me.

 

[COMBAT MEDIC172]

I agree with ValeUC. I get so sick of reading posts of people using the military to pay for their education. If you are not willing to defend your country against all enemies foreign and domestic DO NOT JOIN. You are taking away benefits and bonuses that could be used by someone who is willing to serve with honor, instead of regret and uncertainty.

 

[Hardhack]

What if I physically cannot do what is asked of me? What if I can't run anymore and my superior tells me to keep running? What if I start crying? What if I hurt my knees again like I did this past January doing sprints?--I only just started running again, it took them a while to heal.

What if I cry every day because I miss my children?

Whatif by Shel Silverstein​

Last night, while I lay thinking here,
some Whatifs crawled inside my ear
and pranced and partied all night long
and sang their same old Whatif song:
Whatif I'm dumb in school?
Whatif they've closed the swimming pool?
Whatif I get beat up?
Whatif there's poison in my cup?
Whatif I start to cry?
Whatif I get sick and die?
Whatif I flunk that test?
Whatif green hair grows on my chest?
Whatif nobody likes me?
Whatif a bolt of lightning strikes me?
Whatif I don't grow taller?
Whatif my head starts getting smaller?
Whatif the fish won't bite?
Whatif the wind tears up my kite?
Whatif they start a war?
Whatif my parents get divorced?
Whatif the bus is late?
Whatif my teeth don't grow in straight?
Whatif I tear my pants?
Whatif I never learn to dance?
Everything seems well, and then
the nighttime Whatifs strike again!

 

[Jolie South]

OP, I don't understand how you signed an HPSP contract without hearing about AD rotations, what OBC is like, or that you'll probably deploy.

That's like saying "I knew I was pregnant, but didn't realize that I'd get fat and have to give birth."

 

[CodeBlueMD]

What if I physically cannot do what is asked of me? What if I can't run anymore and my superior tells me to keep running? What if I start crying? What if I hurt my knees again like I did this past January doing sprints?--I only just started running again, it took them a while to heal.

If by "basic" you mean the Army's Officer's Basic Course at Ft. Sam, I think you will be just fine. The 6 wk medical OBC is a lot of fun, and not physically demanding. We did organized PT for the first several weeks 3 days a week, and it dwindled thereafter. We were split into 3 ability groups. The top group was prior service types and the former athletes. I went with that group as I wanted to get back into shape after 1 year of college football, and 3 years of typical college student life. I was hurting for the first couple of weeks, fell out of one run after several miles of hills, but did fine after that. We had a diagnostic APFT the first week, and only took another if we failed the first. As has been said, the criteria for females are very doable for the vast majority. There were some gals in my class who couldn't run a mile at the start, and they were not publicly humiliated in any way. The NCOs were not out to embarrass anyone, only to help everyone improve. They understood their audience.

If I were you I'd take advantage of the group PT prior to leaving for the course and get yourself into shape enough to pass the APFT. As for the psych meds, I would certainly admit to that when you arrive, continue to take them (assuming we're talking about anti-depressants) and move on with your career. There are many people taking these meds who have perfectly normal military medicine careers. Good luck!

 

[mslall]

OP, I don't understand how you signed an HPSP contract without hearing about AD rotations, what OBC is like, or that you'll probably deploy.

That's like saying "I knew I was pregnant, but didn't realize that I'd get fat and have to give birth."

lol

 

[CodeBlueMD]

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[CodeBlueMD]

duplicate

 

[Valvool]

Thanks for those of you who have given me words of advice or encouragement.

I suppose I signed on with rose-colored glasses. Since last June when I commissioned I have learned far more than my recruiter told me in terms of what I was signing on for. He stated to me once, "You can go through medschool, and all the way through residency, without ever having anything to do with the military." I have sinced learned that this isn't true. When I was signing the papers, I didn't have the full picture of what I was getting into.

I don't regret signing on yet, I am just fearful about the experience ahead of me and wanted to some information from other who have gone before.

And I am not on prozac or zoloft. Those of you who responded only in order to mock, equate me with a perceived coward on Saving Private Ryan, accuse me of being a troll, or to just generally **tch me out...thank you as well. Now I know what I am opening myself up to when I post on the military forum here.

 

[CodeBlueMD]

And I am not on prozac or zoloft.

I wouldn't waste any time in making the HPSP folks (I think the head doc was LTC Buising a couple of years back when I was in the program) aware of exactly what you are taking. Take care.

 

[colbgw02]

Those of you who responded only in order to mock, equate me with a perceived coward on Saving Private Ryan, accuse me of being a troll, or to just generally **tch me out...thank you as well. Now I know what I am opening myself up to when I post on the military forum here.

This is an interesting take on this thread. Based on the nature and tone of your original post, I'd say this thread says a lot more about you than it does about this forum. Most of the responses have been reasonable, and I'm a little surprised that posters have been as helpful as they have. If you just wanted information about the basic course, then there are much more effective ways to go about it. Instead, you initially came across as someone who is in no way prepared to serve.

By your own admission, you have signed up for something about which you had a very incomplete picture. Part of that is due to a less-than-honest recruiter, something all of us can understand, but the old axiom caveat emptor still applies. Regardless, by now you realize that no one will feel sorry for you; better to find that out now than later. If nothing else, I hope this has helped you to readjust what will be expected of you. Good luck to you.

 

[Droopy Snoopy]

He stated to me once, "You can go through medschool, and all the way through residency, without ever having anything to do with the military." I have sinced learned that this isn't true.

Well in terms of what even other reserve officers or NG undertake this is (or can be) at least close to the truth. There is the possibility of being selected for civilian residency and coming out on the other side of a decade having done no more than maybe 13 weeks of time in uniform. This includes officer training and a couple of ADT clinical rotations, in which you are more medical student than officer. The flip side of that is of course being selected either for a military residency or GMO tour.

'Basic' is really pretty cake though, I had a great time and made some good friends. There's a sticky above that has lots of good info, but regardless of anything else your experience will be no better or worse than you make it. If you convince yourself you can't do it, isolate yourself from your group, get a med waiver for PT, and cry in your bunk all night then yeah I can pretty much guarantee you'll have a thoroughly miserable time.

 

[Valvool]

Based on the nature and tone of your original post, I'd say this thread says a lot more about you than it does about this forum. Most of the responses have been reasonable, and I'm a little surprised that posters have been as helpful as they have.

Why does it surprise you that any posters would be helpful? Is that not the point of the forum?

I don't know whether or not I am prepared to serve. Thus my worries.

Moreover, I wasn't looking for pity, only anecdotal evidence of what basic might be like. The nature and tone of my original post may or may not be indicative of my nature; it does reflect the genuine anxiety I have about this impending experience.

Thanks for your well wishes.

 

[glamqueen]

Listen, OP - I get that you are nervous, but I don't get the "not prepared to serve." Either you decide to serve and do it, or you try to weasel out of it (I don't even know how this works).

My advice: Get rid of the attitude of "I'm not sure if I am able or prepared to serve." You committed to HPSP. Man up, work out, and decide you will finish this. Doctors who are practicing physicians and are way older than you have completed this training before you, and nurses/doctors/chaplains/lawyers all tinier and weaker have also. It's just a statistics game.

No matter what - you are going to your officer's training this summer. Part of being an officer is supposed to be integrity and honor. Show some, man up, decide to get rid of the "can't," and drop your pride and start working out with your fellow officers. They may help you. If you can't manage that - certainly don't be that dude that shows up unprepared for the cumulative Ochem 2 final. Seriously - start working out on your own, and make things easier on yourself this summer.

If you had the gall to get past the MCAT and get into medical school - you've done hard stuff before. This is pure physical. Work it out, get your game face on and deal with it til your start date. Decide you CAN do it.

 

[ValeRx]

Hey ValeUC, you ever deployed, sport?

Ever spent a day on active duty? Not AD for training.

To the OP, Army OBLC for Med is not hard. Women's physical standards are ridiculously low. They'll split you up into PT groups based on your ability. When I went some time back we didn't even take a real APFT, just a diagnostic. Stop fretting and start jogging. You'll be OK.

And if any drill sergeants give you guff, they have to preface it with "ma'am."

Maybe we'll be out of the Mid-East by the time you come on AD.


61N

Yeah actually I have. Crossed ****ing rifles ring a bell? I'm on my third service stripe and my 6th ribbon row. How about you?

11B30

 

[FutureNavyFP]

This thread is starting to smell like Pre-Allo. Waiting for the SDN nugget of "Are you going to be that way with your patients?"...

All right, since no one else is going to...

If the idea of running a couple of laps around the track and listening to a Drill SGT makes her wet herself, then please God, don't let me be on the table when she's running the code. Please, please, please

 

[glamqueen]

Again, where is the Facebook "like" button when you need it....

 

[ValeRx]

Finally, Vale, whoever you are, you're a jackass.

I earned my Eagle, Globe and Anchor. I earned my crossed rifles and my blue cord. I don't baby cowards and I certainly don't have ANY sympathy for someone talking about crying. In my years in the military I've spent nearly three of them overseas. I have the right to be a jackass.

Oh and I spent my three months at Parris Island. I stood on the yellow footprints. I find it rather flattering that you wish you could do something like what is on that video. You may think it's funny showing someone that - hell, you might even show your buddies who aren't in the military that, "hey dude, that's what it's gonna be like" but I seriously doubt you've got the balls for that. I know I didn't at the time. I was 18, 6 foot tall and 140 pounds soaking wet. I was scared ****less but did I worry about crying? Hell no.

 

[glamqueen]

I get where you are coming from, Perrotfish. The personal insight is important, but we all knew early on that we shouldn't trust a recruiter with the next 12+ years of our life. At least most people here did. I researched on my own - on the AF website, talking to AF docs, reading on SDN, reading the HPSP requirements in general. Not only that - it says in our contract what the duties are with ADT every year even. I don't think you can blame it on the recruiter....even though most of us would want to. She should have known that the ADT's were necessary.

And my comments to "man-up" were made KNOWING she was a woman. I suppose I should have said "woman-up." This is beside the point, because the sentiment is still the same.

I would just suggest the OP start mentally preparing herself and her son for this. Many many of our service men and women have left children the son's same age and younger to deploy serving our country, and their deployments are MUCH longer than our ADT's.

I am certainly not trying to be mean, more just frank. I hope that is coming across. I imagine as a mother it would be very difficult to leave one's son. I'm sorry the OP was ill-informed on how this all works, as I'm sure she is going through a shock. I hope things get better for her.

 

[glamqueen]

And just to make sure - she does know this is the commissioned officer training course not basic? HUGE difference, as my uncle who served in the Navy and my grandfather who served with the newly-created at that time Air Force would insist on being recognized. When they heard I was going to have maid service, they laughed. This is actually (after the first couple of days) supposed to be kind of fun after awhile. Some of the exercises we do (like the field exercise and ropes course) are supposed to be fun. This shouldn't be that bad.

 

[ValeRx]

Many many of our service men and women have left children the son's same age and younger to deploy serving our country, and their deployments are MUCH longer than our ADT's.

THANK YOU. This is a classic case of someone who just wanted the money but now fears the commitment that comes along with the benefits.

 

[ValeRx]

Maybe if the OP does in fact somehow meet the standards in OBC or goes to somewhere like Walter Reed, she can meet some wounded soldiers who were being shot at or rocketed or mortared while she was 'roughing in' in some hospital stateside.

 

[jfitzpat]

I earned my Eagle, Globe and Anchor. I earned my crossed rifles and my blue cord. I don't baby cowards and I certainly don't have ANY sympathy for someone talking about crying. In my years in the military I've spent nearly three of them overseas. I have the right to be a jackass.

Oh and I spent my three months at Parris Island. I stood on the yellow footprints. I find it rather flattering that you wish you could do something like what is on that video. You may think it's funny showing someone that - hell, you might even show your buddies who aren't in the military that, "hey dude, that's what it's gonna be like" but I seriously doubt you've got the balls for that. I know I didn't at the time. I was 18, 6 foot tall and 140 pounds soaking wet. I was scared ****less but did I worry about crying? Hell no.

No, you don't have the right to be a jackass. Just because you served doesn't give you the right to be a total *******. While I have the utmost respect for those who put their lives on the line, that is no excuse to not have any compassion. There is nothing wrong with being scared (or crying for that matter), as long as when push comes to shove, you uphold the duty you are sworn too.

 

[dwb8p]

While I have the utmost respect for those who put their lives on the line, that is no excuse to not have any compassion. There is nothing wrong with being scared (or crying for that matter).

This thread has turned into pansy central.

The military is not in the business of compassion. It's not the Peace Corps. We're trained to kill others and support our fellow brethren who do.

ValeUC, drive on.

 

[jfitzpat]

This thread has turned into pansy central.

The military is not in the business of compassion. It's not the Peace Corps. We're trained to kill others and support our fellow brethren who do.

ValeUC, drive on.

If you are in the helath professions, then compassion should be one of your core values. You seem to think that compassion and the military are mutually exclusive. I disagree.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the OP needs to suck it up and move on with life. The questions she has should have been asked before she swore in.

 

[DrMetal]

Alright, I guess I'm going to give an attempt at clarifying this, since I know the OP personally and I know she has some trouble expressing herself in writing (I suspect a mild left brain aphasia).

Good clarification. Little boys get attached to their moms all the time (I witness it in my own son). But they have to learn to detach, and they're surprisingly good at doing this as they get older (kids are good at adapting!). He's gotta go to pre-school, K-12, after-school activities, etc. So the little guy will get by, really. It's hard at first, but they learn quick. Now, even if the OP went the civ route, she'd still be separated from her family for periods of time (2-3 days, during intern year and res), no? So again, both mother and son have to learn to detach a little bit. I know 5 weeks sounds like a lot of time, but it's really not. Perhaps they can use the opportunity to allow son to get more attached to papa or a grandparent.

Oh and . . . what F-ing recruiter told her she didn't have to do officer training or any other ADT during med school ? And would this have been a deal-breaker for her???

Again, the officer school and ADT during med school is just the tip of the iceburg. She should be prepping to deploy sometime, that's the more serious deal. . . . And if she really doesn't want to do this any more (for whatever reason, medical or otherwise), I think she can still bail and pay back her MSI year.

good luck . . .