SCHOOL LIST: Low GPA (3.51 BCPM) high MCAT (523) nontrad with PhD

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johnsmith416

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Reposted from reddit as I was directed here:

Hi all,

Would appreciate honest feedback.

Stats

  • cGPA 3.54 / sGPA 3.51 (BA Chemistry, High ranking NYS school, 2018)
  • MCAT 523 (132/131/130/130)
  • ORM, male, NC resident, will have lived in the DMV ~3 yrs at time of application
Background

  • PhD in Clinical Pharmacology at NIH through Graduate Partnerships Program from UNC
  • 2 yrs NIH postbac prior to PhD
  • Dissertation work at NIH Clinical Center
  • 3 first-author manuscripts + 7 middle-author pub + a letter to the editor in a health policy outlet
  • ~10 posters/presentations incl. AACR and ASCO
  • Grew up in a federally designated rural HPSA in upstate NY and will be using the Other Impactful Experiences essay
Experiences

  • ~1,000 hrs clinical volunteering (ongoing, mostly oncology)
  • ~300 hrs community service
  • ~100 hrs shadowing (gen surg, derm, hospitalist, onc, resp therapy)
  • President of student org, 2 summer mentees as mentorship experience, nominated by 1 for an NIH intramural mentorship award
  • Older applicant (30)
Letters: PhD mentor (NIH), dissertation committee chair, associate dean/faculty, physician I shadowed. Possibly a supplemental letter from a patient I've volunteered with long-term.

Geographic constraints: wife is a tenure track teaching professor. We are open to, technically I guess relocating anywhere tho ideally east-coast ish and locations with >1 university to optimize her job chances. Preference though is staying in the DMV area.

Draft list: Hopkins, Georgetown, GWU, Maryland, UNC, UVA, VCU, Penn State, Jefferson, Temple, SUNY upstate and downstate, rochester, buffalo, case, MUSC

Would love to hear about what schools yall would recommend/recommend removing from my list. I know these things change but my long term goal is onc and being a physician-scientist.

Thanks in advance

Disclaimer: AI was used to assist in the composition of this post.
 
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How long ago was this undergrad degree? Over the last two years, what shadowing and clinical experience have you gotten that is separate from any PhD work? (New York is "home.")

Why are you thinking medical school instead of an industry or non-academic position? Any advice from the NIH OITE (if you are eligible for their advice)?
 
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How long ago was this undergrad degree? Over the last two years, what shadowing and clinical experience have you gotten that is separate from any PhD work? (New York is "home.")

Why are you thinking medical school instead of an industry or non-academic position? Any advice from the NIH OITE (if you are eligible for their advice)?
Not really any shadowing over the last 2 years, most of those shadowing hours are from pre-PhD. Almost all of my 1000 clinical volunteer hours are from the last 3 years though. My undergrad degree will be 9 years old by the time of my application next cycle.

OITE and my undergrad alumni advising office has told me they think I am a strong applicant but I haven't explicitly asked for school list advice.

Why medical school: My experience at the NIH CC has been indescribable. I've worked on so many phase I trials for patients with incredibly rare diseases and novel therapies for some of the worst cancers out there. It's why I started volunteering at a separate hospital in DC. The patient connections from my volunteering, the walking past the in-patient wards at the Clinical Center, and important clinical and translational work that has yet to be done is why I want to care for patients. I've thought about this pretty deeply. One great thing about working at NIH is that once you're in the network, even as a post-bac or grad student, you are IN THE NETWORK. I've had conversations with renowned MD-PhDs about whether this path is one I should take, most helpful were Nina Schor and Eric Green. Those conversations have only inspired me more. That's a broad answer but in general, these are my motivations.
 
OITE and my undergrad alumni advising office has told me they think I am a strong applicant but I haven't explicitly asked for school list advice.
Sounds good. Obviously for a school list, you have constraints to consider (such as being on the east coast along the I-95 corridor), so I doubt you want to apply way out to Colorado or Las Vegas. If you are dead-set on staying near oncology, you know of the research cancer institutes that you want to affiliate with or retain connections with. Just do the homework you must do to check out the different schools. Weigh the importance of the AHEC/FQHC experiences in your training or identity as a future physician; that will determine if you want to add places that host AHEC's like Vermont. I also think Pittsburgh is worth a look.
 
Sounds good. Obviously for a school list, you have constraints to consider (such as being on the east coast along the I-95 corridor), so I doubt you want to apply way out to Colorado or Las Vegas. If you are dead-set on staying near oncology, you know of the research cancer institutes that you want to affiliate with or retain connections with. Just do the homework you must do to check out the different schools. Weigh the importance of the AHEC/FQHC experiences in your training or identity as a future physician; that will determine if you want to add places that host AHEC's like Vermont. I also think Pittsburgh is worth a look.
Thanks, I appreciate the insights.

Do you have any wisdom you can share regarding screening and my GPA? I am trying to maximize my (admittedly limited) funds and apply to schools I actually have a chance at.
 
I suggest these schools with your stats:
UNC
East Carolina
Wake Forest
Duke
UVA
Emory
Miami
USF Morsani
Georgetown
George Washington
Johns Hopkins
Pittsburgh
Jefferson
Hofstra
Einstein (free tuition)
Mount Sinai
Columbia
NYU
New York Medical College
Rochester
Vermont
Boston University
Tufts
Dartmouth
Brown
Washington University (in St. Louis)
Northwestern
U Michigan
Western Michigan
Mayo
Cincinnati
 
Thanks, I appreciate the insights.

Do you have any wisdom you can share regarding screening and my GPA? I am trying to maximize my (admittedly limited) funds and apply to schools I actually have a chance at.
A few things matter a lot with your profile:
1) Why do you want to do medicine?
2) What have you done to immerse yourself in the clinical workplace (that is not related to your research)?
3) Can you be humble around other physicians and professors who also have Ph.D.'s?
4) Where does your spouse want to be? What are your plans for your family and preferences with proximity with your family and in-laws?
 
A few things matter a lot with your profile:
1) Why do you want to do medicine?
2) What have you done to immerse yourself in the clinical workplace (that is not related to your research)?
3) Can you be humble around other physicians and professors who also have Ph.D.'s?
4) Where does your spouse want to be? What are your plans for your family and preferences with proximity with your family and in-laws?
1. Big question. I'll keep my answer shorter so as to not drone on. Essentially 4 components:

1a: The unique, patient-forward training environment at the NIH. Most of my post-undergraduate career has been spent at NIH. Did a 2 year stint at NCI and then I will have been at the clinical center for ~3 years by the time I defend. It isn't just spent in a lab - you interact with patients on the daily despite not working in a patient facing role. You see them and their family members sitting in the atrium having a coffee, waiting in line at the pharmacy or sitting in the phlebotomy suite. You see the seriously ill being pushed through the corridors of the hospital to and from procedure rooms and the in-patient wards. All of these experiences humanize the research work we are doing, and ground you in the fact that research isn't just abstract - these are real people needing real help. It is a true motivation.

1b: My own research experiences have all been related to human health and finding answers for the sick. In undergrad I worked on research relating to how tattoo inks can cause illness in humans; then I worked on the transfer of chemotherapies into the breast milk of recently post-partum women and the risk it may pose their newborns; then I went to NCI where I played a role in phase I studies evaluating safety, tolerability, and sometimes efficacy of novel agents in various cancer populations, or evaluating an already approved drug in a new patient population; then finally, my graduate study leveraging all of this experience to directly write clinical pharmacology sections of protocols, analyze, and make conclusions regarding the clinical pharmcology of agents being used in patient populations. Again, it is not lost on me that the human aspect is what makes this work important.

1c: The human aspect. I will have around 1100 clinical volunteer hours at a large academic hospital by the time I defend in the spring. Throughout these 3 years of volunteerism I have made so many connections with the ill and their families. That human experience, sharing a connection with someone, is so strong. In a setting like a hospital, talking to young cancer patients or the elderly who have fallen and are bruised -- it's always the same feeling for me: research isn't enough. I feel called to be there for these people, sit with them by their bedside, chat with them about the daily monotony of life even just to remove their mind from the situation they find themselves in. To be able to practice medicine -- to study disease, how to treat it, and include my prior research training in my career to work towards the development of new and better treatments for diseases, give patients hope and health -- would be such an incredible privilege and honor. In my opinion, we live in a golden age of medicine -- look at the daraxonrasib data that came out a few months ago. Hope for pancreatic cancer patients. Providing for patients, caring for them, working through everything with their family and giving everybody hope is the best use of my time I can imagine.

1d: My personal connection with illness. I find myself pretty lucky that, despite going on 30, my parents are both in good health and all of my gradparents lived into their 90s. In my family, health has not been a major concern (thank god). But that doesn't mean I have no experience in dealing with illness. For some reason a startling number of my friends have had some sort of cancer over the last 8 years. One of my closest friends from college is currently battling brain cancer after being diagnosed a few months ago. Another girl from high school who I'm less close with (family friend though) is also battling brain cancer, and a good friend of my sisters is battling Ewing's sarcoma. Talking to my friends going through these things has provided insight into patient life that volunteerism cannot. Of course, as a volunteer you need to be professional and talking to a stranger a patient and family only wants to say so much. My friends however have been more than open about their struggles. The traveling to cancer centers, radiation, chemo, the uncertainty, the fatigue, the unexpectedness of it all. It's terrible. All of it invokes a greater empathy and understanding of patients, their family, and their struggles. Still, it only drives me more to pursue this path.

2. For the last 3 years I have been a volunteer at another hospital, not NIH CC. This is where my ~1000h of clinical volunteering come from. Not in any way related to my research or NIH.
3. I don't think I'm typically an arrogant person, and I'm self aware enough to watch what I say so as to not be perceived as arrogant.
4. Great question. My spouse is from the South, I am from upstate New York. the mid-atlantic area is a great middle ground for us, so Hopkins, GWU, Georgetown would be the 3 schools I'd be most likely to attend if I was accepted. After that, probably UNC/Duke or up in Philly though my wife hates the cold so our fingers are going to be crossed I am accepted somewhere south of the Mason-Dixon line.