School Match Lists **Unofficial**

[Dmr6186]

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Because according to people like you it is IMPOSSIBLE to match into a competitive place at RVU. That's why.

Ok RVU blah blah etc etc. Any more match lists?

 

[username456789]

Because according to people like you it is IMPOSSIBLE to match into a competitive place at RVU. That's why.

What? NO ONE has said this. It's even been pointed out several times on this thread that NO ONE says this (except RVU students projecting their own insecurities and thinking other people are saying it behind their back).

You guys are so weird.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Because according to people like you it is IMPOSSIBLE to match into a competitive place at RVU. That's why.

 

[as1212559]

Tell me more about your analysis MS-0.

lol'ed

lol'ed again


Saw title "Match Lists 2013 etc"
Came in expecting RVU discussion
Left satisfied

 

[SLC]

Because according to people like you it is IMPOSSIBLE to match into a competitive place at RVU. That's why.

 

[DrBumblebee]

Saw title "Match Lists 2013 etc"
Came in expecting RVU discussion
Left satisfied

lol'ed

 

[TexasDocGibby]

lol'ed

I find it interesting that you feel like you need to defend RVU anytime it is mentioned or criticized but you are not a student nor do you plan on attending RVU...

 

[as1212559]

I find it interesting that you feel like you need to defend RVU anytime it is mentioned or criticized but you are not a student nor do you plan on attending RVU...

Given the user's post history this may still be interesting, but should not be surprising.

 

[SLC]

So I don't have a list for ATSU-SOMA yet, but we did get an email from the dean this morning announcing that we had a 100% match rate, zero who had to go through SOAP.

The list should be published soon.

 

[Out of Coffee]

I don't have all the info but AZCOM matched:
Orthopedics: 15 (included an allo match)
Otolaryngology: 3 or 4 (1 military)
Urology: 1
Neurosurgery: 2
Derm: 1 (allo)
Integrated vascular Surgery: 1 (allo)
General Surgery: 11 (2 allo)
Anesthesia: 10
EM: 27

This is from an incomplete list

 

[james2333]

So I don't have a list for ATSU-SOMA yet, but we did get an email from the dean this morning announcing that we had a 100% match rate, zero who had to go through SOAP.

The list should be published soon.

The 100% match does include SOAP, I know one student from your school personally who had to SOAP...he/she ended up in a transitional year because they did not get the specialty they were going for

 

[SixStringPsych]

Anyone have NYCOM or TouroNY match list?

 

[DrBumblebee]

I find it interesting that you feel like you need to defend RVU anytime it is mentioned or criticized but you are not a student nor do you plan on attending RVU...

I only appreciated RVU's match list once here. Then. DocEspana explained from an MS-4 point of view, and I've concurred. I even told that lurking RVU students on SDN should stand up and talk about their match results. Further, I've also told in the same post that I was rejected by RVU. Thus, I'm not a student at RVU... So, your post apparently fails.

 

[SLC]

The 100% match does include SOAP, I know one student from your school personally who had to SOAP...he/she ended up in a transitional year because they did not get the specialty they were going for

Perhaps the email was just about the AOA match then? Because there are schools on the AACOM chart that was attached that have rates in the 80's and low 90's, which is scary to think about, especially if that includes SOAP'ers.

Who knows, all the email says is that 100% of our 2013 class matched, which is above average.

 

[DrBumblebee]

Given the user's post history this may still be interesting, but should not be surprising.

Losing your buddy MedPR, you must be lonesome.

But hey, don't give up messing with everyone on SDN for no good reason. It must be cool, huh! 👎

 

[sylvanthus]

Losing your buddy MedPR, you must be lonesome.

But hey, don't give up messing with everyone on SDN for no good reason. It must be cool, huh! 👎

You may wish to reread the new TOS before you end up banned for not contributing to threads.

To stay on topic, I guarantee schools fudge the results at least somewhat. When they say 100% match it is almost certain that they are including people who SOAPed and did the AOA scramble. The national average for DO students going ACGME is apparently 75%ish.

 

[Didierdrogba]

So I don't have a list for ATSU-SOMA yet, but we did get an email from the dean this morning announcing that we had a 100% match rate, zero who had to go through SOAP.

The list should be published soon.

this is pretty reassuring 👍

 

[TexasDocGibby]

I only appreciated RVU's match list once here. Then. DocEspana explained from an MS-4 point of view, and I've concurred. I even told that lurking RVU students on SDN should stand up and talk about their match results. Further, I've also told in the same post that I was rejected by RVU. Thus, I'm not a student at RVU... So, your post apparently fails.

Yea I got the fact that you were not a student at RVU because you were rejected, also your MS-0 designation gives it away. I was just getting weary of reading your posts about RVU match. I'm sure you are a good judge on failed posts, but I'm just basing this on all your previous posts.

In other news I know TCOM matched 11 students in EM. Once I find out more I will update.

 

[sylvanthus]

this is pretty reassuring 👍

Not necessarily, you need details as statistics get fudged all the time. If 2 people went ACGME and both matched that does not tell you much. If 25 went ACGME, all matched their specialty of choice thats great, but also doesn't tell you what specialties. 25/25 for family med for instance doesn't say much. Why pure numbers provided by schools is essentially worthless.

 

[Didierdrogba]

Not necessarily, you need details as statistics get fudged all the time. If 2 people went ACGME and both matched that does not tell you much. If 25 went ACGME, all matched their specialty of choice thats great, but also doesn't tell you what specialties. 25/25 for family med for instance doesn't say much. Why pure numbers provided by schools is essentially worthless.

Well, good point, however, just looking at the match list in general, as we all know, does not tell much either.

that said, 100% of students matched, regardless of type. just by the numbers, it's way better than the school with only 85% match rate.

Hypothetically, knowing my own personality, I prefer security over big risk/ big rewards, so I'd go to a school with 100% of students matched into FM rather than a school with only 85% match rate but all matching derm.

 

[DrBumblebee]

Yea I got the fact that you were not a student at RVU because you were rejected, also your MS-0 designation gives it away. I was just getting weary of reading your posts about RVU match. I'm sure you are a good judge on failed posts, but I'm just basing this on all your previous posts.

In other news I know TCOM matched 11 students in EM. Once I find out more I will update.

I'm glad that you admit you didn't need to rehash everything rhetorically about what I've already said about RVU. As for talking about someone's previous posts which have nothing to do within a thread, it's unnecessary and is apparently a digress from the topic of this thread. What sylvanthus said...

You may wish to reread the new TOS before you end up banned for not contributing to threads.
...

 

[DrBumblebee]

You may wish to reread the new TOS before you end up banned for not contributing to threads.

To stay on topic, I guarantee schools fudge the results at least somewhat. When they say 100% match it is almost certain that they are including people who SOAPed and did the AOA scramble. The national average for DO students going ACGME is apparently 75%ish.

... and you must be on topic?! What was the title of the thread? "School Match Lists **Unofficial**".

According to your logic, you should either talk about your school's match list or other schools' match lists, but nothing else. Keep your logic to yourself. If you feel yourself officially responsible to warn people about TOS, you should be doing the same warning to everyone without picking some of them, otherwise I'm accusing you of threatening others by making use TOS for your personal benefit (whatever it means.)

Forget everything for a second, there's a more important thing... Although, I've been waiting to hear about it, you haven't complained about your school's poor performance in the residency match this year, yet. However, we've already gotten used to your humiliating, accusing comments about the DO education system for a while now. Besides, if my mind doesn't misguide me, you're that famous medical school student on SDN who said his/her school had him had a nurse preceptor during his/her surgery rotation, and consistently cursed especially the clinical education of his/her school.

Yeah, now go ahead and post relevant on threads.

 

[SLC]

Not necessarily, you need details as statistics get fudged all the time. If 2 people went ACGME and both matched that does not tell you much. If 25 went ACGME, all matched their specialty of choice thats great, but also doesn't tell you what specialties. 25/25 for family med for instance doesn't say much. Why pure numbers provided by schools is essentially worthless.

This is one opinion, but if all 25 in your example wanted FM and got their top choices, then that's a successful match IMO. This is why paying too much heed to matched specialties can be misleading. Not every school is going to have lots of people who want neurosurg., rad-Onc, or Derm. DO's are traditionally very Primary Care oriented to begin with.

There are a lot of people who want Primary Care because they see it as front-line and the best way to positively affect underserved populations. That type of goal can exist independent of relative competitiveness for other programs. I know we have folks who match AOA Family-Med with excellent stats; as I'm sure most schools do.

I think it's best to look at match rate to get an idea of relative quality of the overall training, it's a loose correlation I'm sure but probably among the best one can make without having data on each individual student. I'd imagine SOMA and the other school with a 100% match rate have got to be doing something right to have a rate that's ~6% higher than the national average. I'm not saying it's a powerhouse school, but I think it's a very strong one.

But I don't know, I'm just a med student.

 

[ostrich love]

This is one opinion, but if all 25 in your example wanted FM and got their top choices, then that's a successful match IMO. This is why paying too much heed to matched specialties can be misleading. Not every school is going to have lots of people who want neurosurg., rad-Onc, or Derm. DO's are traditionally very Primary Care oriented to begin with.

There are a lot of people who want Primary Care because they see it as front-line and the best way to positively affect underserved populations. That type of goal can exist independent of relative competitiveness for other programs. I know we have folks who match AOA Family-Med with excellent stats; as I'm sure most schools do.

I think it's best to look at match rate to get an idea of relative quality of the overall training, it's a loose correlation I'm sure but probably among the best one can make without having data on each individual student. I'd imagine SOMA and the other school with a 100% match rate have got to be doing something right to have a rate that's ~6% higher than the national average. I'm not saying it's a powerhouse school, but I think it's a very strong one.

But I don't know, I'm just a med student.

I wish schools would publish who matched into one of their top three choices or something (However, I can imagine why they wouldn't to benefit themselves). I know its N=1 but I personally know of a SOMA student with a USMLE STEP1 in the 250's that matched into ACGME FM which happened to be his first choice. There was another student who matched ACGME radiology. I know he didn't sit for the USMLE but I can't remember his COMLEX.

 

[cliquesh]

I wish schools would publish who matched into one of their top three choices or something (However, I can imagine why they wouldn't to benefit themselves). I know its N=1 but I personally know of a SOMA student with a USMLE STEP1 in the 250's that matched into ACGME FM which happened to be his first choice. There was another student who matched ACGME radiology. I know he didn't sit for the USMLE but I can't remember his COMLEX.

Most schools do publish that data. Most people get one of their top 3. I got my 2nd choice. Nrmp says about 82% of independent applicants, which includes DOs, that match in the Acgme match match into one of their top 3.

 

[ostrich love]

Well hot damn


Edit: ^ Congrats btw

 

[Dmr6186]

Most schools do publish that data. Most people get one of their top 3. I got my 2nd choice. Nrmp says about 82% of independent applicants, which includes DOs, that match in the Acgme match match into one of their top 3.

Nitpicky premed question, but is this top 1 of top 3 choice of residency specialty, location...?

 

[preDoGuy24]

Nitpicky premed question, but is this top 1 of top 3 choice of residency specialty, location...?

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That's not how the match works, you don't rank regions or locations. He is saying the majority of people match in one of their top 3 choices from the match list they submit, which is the list of programs they have interviewed at and ranked.

 

[Dmr6186]

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That's not how the match works, you don't rank regions or locations. He is saying the majority of people match in one of their top 3 choices from the match list they submit, which is the list of programs they have interviewed at and ranked.

Nice, thank you for the info.

 

[DocEspana]

I always think this top choice stuff is nonsense. My top choice is more like my number 50 on my list of places I wanted to go. But I didn't get interviews at places 1 through 49. The top choice of what you got interviews at is awesome for half the people and blah for the other half.

 

[Didierdrogba]

I always think this top choice stuff is nonsense. My top choice is more like my number 50 on my list of places I wanted to go. But I didn't get interviews at places 1 through 49. The top choice of what you got interviews at is awesome for half the people and blah for the other half.

well, there is absolutely no way to evaluate a match list, or compare lists from school to school then

 

[DocEspana]

well, there is absolutely no way to evaluate a match list, or compare lists from school to school then

Correct.

Except by specialty. Everyone says "oh but the genius in my class wanted FM". To be fair, every class can probably claim that about 3 of their top 10 students. Also, despite people claiming otherwise..., you never seems good specialty matching school have a "primary care heavy" year. Look through years if matches. You'll see every established school is shockingly consistent in their results. It's like clockwork that I can tell you UNTHSC, Nova and MSUCOM will have the most specialty matches year in and year out with PCOM nipping their heels but having a shocking number of FM matches despite an excellent specialty match.

You measure by speciality. Its a good measurement. Not perfect, but a very solid basic measurement. Those who disagree are letting logic get in the way of factual reproduceablility. Those people will really hate evidence based medicine.

Also # of university programs is good.... But that needs some subtle analysis as to what is actually impressive and what is easier than it seems. That's actually probably the best way, but its not easily consumable and explainable to others unless you've seen a ton of match lists. Read a ton of analysis. And actually know people who have rotated/matched there and heard their comments.

 

[TexasDocGibby]

Correct.

Except by specialty. Everyone says "oh but the genius in my class wanted FM". To be fair, every class can probably claim that about 3 of their top 10 students. Also, despite people claiming otherwise..., you never seems good specialty matching school have a "primary care heavy" year. Look through years if matches. You'll see every established school is shockingly consistent in their results. It's like clockwork that I can tell you UNTHSC, Nova and MSUCOM will have the most specialty matches year in and year out with PCOM nipping their heels but having a shocking number of FM matches despite an excellent specialty match.

You measure by speciality. Its a good measurement. Not perfect, but a very solid basic measurement. Those who disagree are letting logic get in the way of factual reproduceablility. Those people will really hate evidence based medicine.

Also # of university programs is good.... But that needs some subtle analysis as to what is actually impressive and what is easier than it seems. That's actually probably the best way, but its not easily consumable and explainable to others unless you've seen a ton of match lists. Read a ton of analysis. And actually know people who have rotated/matched there and heard their comments.

👍 Could not have said it any better!

 

[laconfidential]

Thank you, DocEspana for clarifying that. There are entirely too many people who don't understand that 10 matches in "x" specialty doesn't mean it's a great list.

It's like Cleveland Clinic for IM...everybody hears "cleveland clinic" and thinks wow! but really it's not at all competitive and (from what I hear) not a great place to do your residency. The RVU nonsense is basically people saying "wow a Mayo match!" but there's no thought going into it.

I don't blame people-I am only now as an M4 understanding how to look at a match list. But some of the posts in the osteo section about "great" match lists are pretty ridiculous.

 

[james2333]

From an ACGME Program Director's POV, I don't think they look at one Osteopathic school as better than another. I think they lump the schools together. If they are willing to accept and rank an Osteo. student its all about the individual candidate, not the school they went to.

 

[DJspreadsheet]

Thank you, DocEspana for clarifying that. There are entirely too many people who don't understand that 10 matches in "x" specialty doesn't mean it's a great list.

It's like Cleveland Clinic for IM...everybody hears "cleveland clinic" and thinks wow! but really it's not at all competitive and (from what I hear) not a great place to do your residency. The RVU nonsense is basically people saying "wow a Mayo match!" but there's no thought going into it.

I don't blame people-I am only now as an M4 understanding how to look at a match list. But some of the posts in the osteo section about "great" match lists are pretty ridiculous.

While pre-meds are ignorant, you have the opposite problem - knowing too much and it clouds the simple fact: perception is reality. Going to a place with the name "Cleveland Clinic" is only going to help your career. Not hurt it.

"Ohhhh, but they are fellow run." Or some other such nonsense. Clouded in the minutae, you miss the big picture. Strutting around with that on your resume helps in innumerable ways.

On a different note: isn't this a match list thread?

 

[235009]

While pre-meds are ignorant, you have the opposite problem - knowing too much and it clouds the simple fact: perception is reality. Going to a place with the name "Cleveland Clinic" is only going to help your career. Not hurt it.

"Ohhhh, but they are fellow run." Or some other such nonsense. Clouded in the minutae, you miss the big picture. Strutting around with that on your resume helps in innumerable ways.

if you're trying to impress your grandmother or the neighbor then yes Cleveland clinic is a great place to train. if you are trying to impress fellowship PDs and future employers then not so much. they're all very well aware of the "minutae"

 

[DJspreadsheet]

if you're trying to impress your grandmother or the neighbor then yes Cleveland clinic is a great place to train. if you are trying to impress fellowship PDs and future employers then not so much. they're all very well aware of the "minutae"

Wrong. Often times physicians are hired by HR departments, not other doctors (and guess what, most doctors haven't been in the academia games for many years, so name means something to them as well). If you ever are going to do private practice, or working with a group, the ability to brandish that name only helps. And if you think you're going to have a hard time getting a fellowship from the Cleveland Clinic, then you're drinking the Kool-Aid.

 

[235009]

well since i've already waded into this thread i might as well go all the way....

Correct.

Except by specialty. Everyone says "oh but the genius in my class wanted FM". To be fair, every class can probably claim that about 3 of their top 10 students. Also, despite people claiming otherwise..., you never seems good specialty matching school have a "primary care heavy" year. Look through years if matches. You'll see every established school is shockingly consistent in their results. It's like clockwork that I can tell you UNTHSC, Nova and MSUCOM will have the most specialty matches year in and year out with PCOM nipping their heels but having a shocking number of FM matches despite an excellent specialty match.

You measure by speciality. Its a good measurement. Not perfect, but a very solid basic measurement. Those who disagree are letting logic get in the way of factual reproduceablility. Those people will really hate evidence based medicine.

Also # of university programs is good.... But that needs some subtle analysis as to what is actually impressive and what is easier than it seems. That's actually probably the best way, but its not easily consumable and explainable to others unless you've seen a ton of match lists. Read a ton of analysis. And actually know people who have rotated/matched there and heard their comments.

this is the kind of comment a premed would make and think he's got it all figured out. assuming that top students will choose "competitive" specialties is simply wrong. also what premeds and even some med students think are competitive specialties are not as competitive as you may think. the most obvious example here is anesthesia which is popular with some because it is a lifestyle specialty but is in no way a competitive specialty. On the other hand IM, despite being a "primary care" specialty, is extremely competitive at mid- and top-tier university programs. So saying "they had x anesthesia matches" means nothing....those programs aren't that hard to match at and in fact there were a bunch of anesthesia spots unfilled this year.

Which specialty you apply to is almost entirely based on personal choice/preference but the program (or program type) you match into within that specialty is an excellent reflection of how you are viewed as a student and your school's reputation.

 

[235009]

Wrong. Often times physicians are hired by HR departments, not other doctors (and guess what, most doctors haven't been in the academia games for many years, so name means something to them as well). If you ever are going to do private practice, or working with a group, the ability to brandish that name only helps. And if you think you're going to have a hard time getting a fellowship from the Cleveland Clinic, then you're drinking the Kool-Aid.

haven't seen that specific program's fellowship match list and honestly didn't apply to the program because i knew it was less competitive as evidenced by having it's fair share of DOs and IMGs (sorry but that's one of the main criteria people use to assess the desirability of a residency program)

either way an HR department doesn't choose WHO to hire...that's an absurd comment. that choice will be made by senior physicians in the group or the department head at a hospital and those people are very well aware of the quality of training that you get at specific programs because they have a lot of experience. you're not going to fool them with a meaningless name.

 

[DJspreadsheet]

well since i've already waded into this thread i might as well go all the way....



this is the kind of comment a premed would make and think he's got it all figured out. assuming that top students will choose "competitive" specialties is simply wrong. also what premeds and even some med students think are competitive specialties are not as competitive as you may think. the most obvious example here is anesthesia which is popular with some because it is a lifestyle specialty but is in no way a competitive specialty. On the other hand IM, despite being a "primary care" specialty, is extremely competitive at mid- and top-tier university programs. So saying "they had x anesthesia matches" means nothing....those programs aren't that hard to match at and in fact there were a bunch of anesthesia spots unfilled this year.

Which specialty you apply to is almost entirely based on personal choice/preference but the program (or program type) you match into within that specialty is an excellent reflection of how you are viewed as a student and your school's reputation.

This we can agree on. If another premed throw around the acronym ROADs, I'm going to lose my mind.

Hey pre-meds. ROADs is not an acronym for competitiveness. Anesthesia ain't hard to get and radiology also ain't anywhere near as difficult to get as people make it out to be. It's also becoming less popular each year as people realize the bubble has burst in that field.

 

[DJspreadsheet]

haven't seen that specific program's fellowship match list and honestly didn't apply to the program because i knew it was less competitive as evidenced by having it's fair share of DOs and IMGs (sorry but that's one of the main criteria people use to assess the desirability of a residency program)

either way an HR department doesn't choose WHO to hire...that's an absurd comment. that choice will be made by senior physicians in the group or the department head at a hospital and those people are very well aware of the quality of training that you get at specific programs because they have a lot of experience. you're not going to fool them with a meaningless name.

You might want to head over to the Cleveland Clinic IM program website because what you're spewing is making no sense. I understand your point, name doesn't mean great training. But you picked the wrong target. There is not a single residency at Cleveland Clinic in any specialty that is going to be crappy. The reason you see DOs there is because it's in Cleveland and not Boston.

 

[235009]

This we can agree on. If another premed throw around the acronym ROADs, I'm going to lose my mind.

Hey pre-meds. ROADs is not an acronym for competitiveness. Anesthesia ain't hard to get and radiology also ain't anywhere near as difficult to get as people make it out to be. It's also becoming less popular each year as people realize the bubble has burst in that field.

👍

couldn't have said it better myself

the thing about radiology though is that there are two different classes of programs. the solid university programs are extremely competitive while the community programs are quite easy to match into.

 

[235009]

You might want to head over to the Cleveland Clinic IM program website because what you're spewing is making no sense. I understand your point, name doesn't mean great training. But you picked the wrong target. There is not a single residency at Cleveland Clinic in any specialty that is going to be crappy. The reason you see DOs there is because it's in Cleveland and not Boston.

took a look at the fellowship match list. it's decent but nothing to write home about. it's a solid mid-tier program for sure ...just saying it's not going to wow anyone in the know

 

[DJspreadsheet]

took a look at the fellowship match list. it's decent but nothing to write home about. it's a solid mid-tier program for sure ...just saying it's not going to wow anyone in the know

Fine, but let's not ignore name impact factor. People keep saying to ignore that stuff, and I think it's foolish to do so.

 

[235009]

Fine, but let's not ignore name impact factor. People keep saying to ignore that stuff, and I think it's foolish to do so.

that's not what i'm saying at all. "reputation" ...be it undergrad, med school, residency program etc is extremely important at every stage. my point is that sometimes name recognition by lay people does not translate into the best reputation among people in the field.

 

[DJspreadsheet]

that's not what i'm saying at all. "reputation" ...be it undergrad, med school, residency program etc is extremely important at every stage. my point is that sometimes name recognition by lay people does not translate into the best reputation among people in the field.

I understand. I'm referring to lay people.

 

[DocEspana]

well since i've already waded into this thread i might as well go all the way....



this is the kind of comment a premed would make and think he's got it all figured out. assuming that top students will choose "competitive" specialties is simply wrong. also what premeds and even some med students think are competitive specialties are not as competitive as you may think. the most obvious example here is anesthesia which is popular with some because it is a lifestyle specialty but is in no way a competitive specialty. On the other hand IM, despite being a "primary care" specialty, is extremely competitive at mid- and top-tier university programs. So saying "they had x anesthesia matches" means nothing....those programs aren't that hard to match at and in fact there were a bunch of anesthesia spots unfilled this year.

Which specialty you apply to is almost entirely based on personal choice/preference but the program (or program type) you match into within that specialty is an excellent reflection of how you are viewed as a student and your school's reputation.

I was 100% agreeing with you. You're preaching to the choir. Reread my last paragraph. The one about specialties that you found so abhorrent is a stone cold fact, but not a good measurement device. I admit that teaching people to actually appreciate the subtly of an awesome IM or peds match and see a large but unimpressive gas match is hard. But what is a fact, and a good barometer (though a crude one) is specialty % stays roughly the same at the DO schools year to year. This is partially because DO specialty odds does have some relationship to program access. Find a school like Texas or MSU with abundant specialties in house they don't need to leave the area code to try derm, uro and ortho on their first three months of forth year.

Is it nuanced, no. But it is repeatable. And unless you have someone with the nuance to translate matches at every specialty, its easier to use a simplified metric. (This metric holds much less, if at all, at MD university schools)

 

[DocEspana]

I understand. I'm referring to lay people.

Gotta back skin here again. For career advancement your focus should be how others in your field view it, not lay people. No one will care where you went for residency in any meaningful way that sees you as a patient.

Nothing wrong with Cleveland. I'd argue it's one of the strongest programs out there. Top 50 to top 25. But is not the top five people on the street think it top be. And from a lot of word of mouth from residents is highly, highly, highly malignant to residents. Sleep when you're dead type place.

 

[DubVille]

Gotta back skin here again. For career advancement your focus should be how others in your field view it, not lay people. No one will care where you went for residency in any meaningful way that sees you as a patient.

Nothing wrong with Cleveland. I'd argue it's one of the strongest programs out there. Top 50 to top 25. But is not the top five people on the street think it top be. And from a lot of word of mouth from residents is highly, highly, highly malignant to residents. Sleep when you're dead type place.

The malignancy is certainly there. I spent two months at CCF main campus (one month in pathology though). The path department was almost 25% "drop-outs" from CCF IM, GS, and ENT because they hated the work environment. That said some of the departments are fantastic (path residents were very happy), and if you put up with the crap no fellowships are out of reach.

Disclaimer: I didn't apply path.