School statistics question

[Starry]

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I just had the random thought: when schools publish information on #Applied/Interviewed/Accepted/Enrolled, does the Applied mean primary or secondary applications received?

Example:

Originally Posted by U.S.News Ultimate Guide to Medical Schools
Western University
Applied / Interviewed / Accepted / Enrolled
Total: 2,342 / 601 / 542 / 212
In-state 736 / 289 / 261 / 132
Out-of-state: 1,606 / 312 / 281 / 80

I know that WesternU prescreens but going from 2,342 --> 601 seems like a lot. Is that just solely from the prescreening process? Late applicants? Looking for speculation or insight 😕

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I just had the random thought: when schools publish information on #Applied/Interviewed/Accepted/Enrolled, does the Applied mean primary or secondary applications received?

Example:



I know that WesternU prescreens but going from 2,342 --> 601 seems like a lot. Is that just solely from the prescreening process? Late applicants? Looking for speculation or insight 😕

I'm surprised 300 oosers get in. I always imagined that a California school would get over 10,000 cali crazed premeds who would want to stay in state.

 

[Temperature101]

I just had the random thought: when schools publish information on #Applied/Interviewed/Accepted/Enrolled, does the Applied mean primary or secondary applications received?

Example:

Originally Posted by U.S.News Ultimate Guide to Medical Schools
Western University
Applied / Interviewed / Accepted / Enrolled
Total: 2,342 / 601 / 542 / 212
In-state 736 / 289 / 261 / 132
Out-of-state: 1,606 / 312 / 281 / 80


I know that WesternU prescreens but going from 2,342 --> 601 seems like a lot. Is that just solely from the prescreening process? Late applicants? Looking for speculation or insight 😕

So they accept almost everyone they interview at Western... It good they dont made people spend money to travel for interviews and then reject them...Great school!👍

 

[Goro]

At my school, it's primaries. There are a lot of stupid people who just outright ignore the school's minimum requirement numbers. As Dave Barry says, I am NOT making this up.

I guess they think "what the hell" or "maybe they still have seats left and will give me a shot"? So, it doesn't surprise me that the numbers go from >2K to 600 at Western.

I just had the random thought: when schools publish information on #Applied/Interviewed/Accepted/Enrolled, does the Applied mean primary or secondary applications received?

Example:



I know that WesternU prescreens but going from 2,342 --> 601 seems like a lot. Is that just solely from the prescreening process? Late applicants? Looking for speculation or insight 😕

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

At my school, it's primaries. There are a lot of stupid people who just outright ignore the school's minimum requirement numbers. As Dave Barry says, I am NOT making this up.

I guess they think "what the hell" or "maybe they still have seats left and will give me a shot"? So, it doesn't surprise me that the numbers go from >2K to 600 at Western.

So how many of those 2k are people who finished secondaries? What is the ratio of secondaries to interviews at your school?

 

[Medstart108]

Where do you get access to this US News Ultimate Guide? I'm interested in it, is the information up to date?

 

[Goro]

I don't know the exact number, but probably all those who are above our basic minims. I'll take a stab and say about 50%. We get a LOT of applications.

So how many of those 2k are people who finished secondaries?

Again, ball parking: 20-25%? Someone who is right at the bare minim for us is less likely to get an interview than, say, someone with a 3.4/32 MCAT or a 3.8/26 MCAT.

What is the ratio of secondaries to interviews at your school?

 

[pattr]

I'm surprised 300 oosers get in. I always imagined that a California school would get over 10,000 cali crazed premeds who would want to stay in state.

Surprisingly not a lot of the premeds I knew back in college at UCLA had ever heard of my school (Touro-CA). Some had heard of Western because their friends went there for like pharmacy, dentistry, etc. But I don't think the Cali DO schools are as well known in their respective regions as CCOM or TCOM etc. Of course my experience is from like 3 years ago so it might have changed a little since then.

The UC's (UCLA DGSOM 6,771 total primary applications last year) and Stanford see those kind of in-state applicant numbers but not Touro/Western.

 

[Starry]

Where do you get access to this US News Ultimate Guide? I'm interested in it, is the information up to date?

I got this info from an old 2006 thread. Sorry, idk original source. I was just citing it as an example. However, many schools publish this info on their website.

 

[hallowmann]

I just had the random thought: when schools publish information on #Applied/Interviewed/Accepted/Enrolled, does the Applied mean primary or secondary applications received?

Example:

I know that WesternU prescreens but going from 2,342 --> 601 seems like a lot. Is that just solely from the prescreening process? Late applicants? Looking for speculation or insight 😕

That is probably primaries. For one thing, there are pre-screens and late apps, so not everyone gets a secondary, second not everyone will complete a secondary, and third they don't interview everyone who completes a secondary, just the people they are interested in. I like the idea of school that accepts most of the people they interview, it makes things easier to know whether you stand a chance.

At my school, it's primaries. There are a lot of stupid people who just outright ignore the school's minimum requirement numbers. As Dave Barry says, I am NOT making this up.

I guess they think "what the hell" or "maybe they still have seats left and will give me a shot"? So, it doesn't surprise me that the numbers go from >2K to 600 at Western.

Normally Goro, I agree with everything you say, but you have to admit that a lot of schools/adcoms aren't super clear on their "minimum requirements". Some are, and that's great, but many are either vague or in general ambiguous or ambivalent about what they consider minimums.

I know that because I applied to many schools where my GPAs were below the cutoffs. For many, the cutoffs were accurate, but for a good 4 or so, they weren't. Not only did I receive secondaries from those schools, I also got interviews at 2 of them, and was subsequently waitlisted (combination of late app and low GPAs). Bear in mind that I was very close to the GPA cutoffs, and ~10 points above all MCAT cutoffs.

Some programs have different "unspoken" rules with regards to cutoffs, like only looking at the last 120 credits, replacing undergrad GPAs with grad GPAs, 2/3 cutoff requirement (i.e. if two of the 3 stats, cGPA, sGPA, and MCAT, are above the cutoffs, the app meets the minimum), etc. Because of things like this, some people will always feel the need to apply to schools that are "out of their league," and for some people it might pay off.

 

[B1acksocks]

Surprisingly not a lot of the premeds I knew back in college at UCLA had ever heard of my school (Touro-CA). Some had heard of Western because their friends went there for like pharmacy, dentistry, etc. But I don't think the Cali DO schools are as well known in their respective regions as CCOM or TCOM etc. Of course my experience is from like 3 years ago so it might have changed a little since then.

The UC's (UCLA DGSOM 6,771 total primary applications last year) and Stanford see those kind of in-state applicant numbers but not Touro/Western.

In the 2011-2012 cycle, Western had 4,386 applications and 651 interviews. I suspect this past cycle had even higher numbers!

Source: http://prospective.westernu.edu/osteopathic/competitive-10/.

 

[pattr]

In the 2011-2012 cycle, Western had 4,386 applications and 651 interviews. I suspect this past cycle had even higher numbers!

Source: http://prospective.westernu.edu/osteopathic/competitive-10/.

That's great!

 

[csx]

Some programs have different "unspoken" rules with regards to cutoffs, like only looking at the last 120 credits, replacing undergrad GPAs with grad GPAs, 2/3 cutoff requirement (i.e. if two of the 3 stats, cGPA, sGPA, and MCAT, are above the cutoffs, the app meets the minimum), etc. Because of things like this, some people will always feel the need to apply to schools that are "out of their league," and for some people it might pay off.

Just to clarify...say I did bad my first semester of college, I could hypothetically get that ignored (at least partially) if I do 120 more credit hours on top of that??? Do transfer credits count (no grade)??

 

[Goro]

My students include many who have reinvented themselves after 1/2/3 even 4 bad years of UG. Sometimes it takes an entire new UG degree, but most people just re-take poor grade courses, because AACOMAS' grade replacement policy does wonders for cGPAs.

So, DO schools are firm believers in redemption. Show us you can do it, and you're in.

Just to clarify...say I did bad my first semester of college, I could hypothetically get that ignored (at least partially) if I do 120 more credit hours on top of that??? Do transfer credits count (no grade)??

 

[NontradCA]

Just to clarify...say I did bad my first semester of college, I could hypothetically get that ignored (at least partially) if I do 120 more credit hours on top of that??? Do transfer credits count (no grade)??

All of your college courses you've ever taken will be on your application. That last 120 hours is them just saying they want an upward trend in grades. You can retake the classes you did bad in your freshman year.