SCOTUS will increase to 11 or 13 Justices

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Mad Jack said:
I honestly believe that this country has no hope given the way this election played out. Trump got the second most votes of any presidential candidate in history, and his followers legitimately discount medicine, science, the democratic process, and the courts as corrupt and dishonest. When that many people fundamentally do not reside in the same reality and have no faith in the institutions of the nation, dark times are ahead
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Agree, with the amendment that the left looks exactly as f-ed up as the right. What you've described could be very well applied to people who believe in the CRT crap.
 
Twiggidy said:
So what does "the right" want to do about racism? Asking honestly?
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Which right? Wokism has destroyed the traditional, moderate right. This is now Trump's party.

The radical left has set out on a path of vengeance, during the last decade, and forgot to dig two holes first.

The only way is for the Democratic party to repudiate its radical "woke" wing. Which I don't see happening.
 
Twiggidy said:
I'll repeat, if the answer to anti-racism is Trumpism, this country has no hope. The saddest piece of political analysis I read this season was the fact that ant-racism protest would lead people to vote for Trump. I don't blame that on Trump that is a societal problem
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LimpSpatula said:
Now that we’ve got evidence out of the way. We all know the real reason why Obama was divisive and why he led to Trump. Cmon man.
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The moment I saw people protesting for BLM I was nervous Trump may be re-elected.
 
FFP said:
Which right? Wokism has destroyed the traditional, moderate right. This is now Trump's party.

The radical left has set out on a path of vengeance, and forgot to dig two holes first.
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You gonna answer the question or not?
 
Twiggidy said:
So what does "the right" want to do about racism? Asking honestly?
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- invest heavily into early childhood education
- create incentives to make it “culturally unpopular” to have unmarried/single mothers. Maybe tax breaks for poor couples that stay together, harsher penalties for dads that run, encourage religeon (because it promotes staying married)
- body cams for every police interaction and an apolitical multi-racial independent review board when something goes wrong (but do NOT release to public “mob” for a year)
- abolish affirmative action ie racism
- fight illegal immigration which takes jobs from poor Americans
 
FFP said:
You've forgotten the white "original sin". The left is so radical that they attribute evil or sainthood to people just based on their skin color.
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interesting you desire to ‘see both sides equally’ but when you discuss the left you jump to Marxist ideas, woke culture, and anti-racist, racist culture.

again, FoxNews effect.
 
doctalaughs said:
- invest heavily into early childhood education
- create incentives to make it “culturally unpopular” to have unmarried/single mothers. Maybe tax breaks for poor couples that stay together, harsher penalties for dads that run, encourage religeon (because it promotes staying married)
- body cams for every police interaction and an apolitical multi-racial independent review board when something goes wrong (but do NOT release to public “mob” for a year)
- abolish affirmative action ie racism
- fight illegal immigration which takes jobs from poor Americans
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None of that addresses racism. You'd been more honest saying "I don't care and neither does the right."
 
Twiggidy said:
None of that addresses racism. You'd been more honest saying "I don't care and neither does the right."
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I don't want to minimize your experiences, or the pockets of racists in this country, but there is a lot of imagined racism on the left.

There is a victim mentality, that never helped anybody.
 
FFP said:
I don't want to minimize your experiences, or the pockets of racists in this country, but there is a lot of imagined racism on the left.
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I don’t think there is. I think you misinterpreted my post, which is that the main force in electing Trump was having our first Black President. And it repeated itself with the protests.
 
Southpaw said:
interesting you desire to ‘see both sides equally’ but when you discuss the left you jump to Marxist ideas, woke culture, and anti-racist, racist culture.

again, FoxNews effect.
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I rarely watch Fox. I usually can't stand their "opinion" wing (and I don't have cable TV). I call them Sean Insanity and Laura Inbredam. But thank you for generalizing.

If you noticed me moving to the right of my usual centrist position, in the last year, it's a pure "woke" effect, a reaction to the black paranoia of considering whites racist by birth and disparaging European and white civilization, and many other race and gender-based Marxist excesses.

The white heterosexual male is to the woke what the burgeoisie used to be to communists, and the HATE is palpable. It's almost solid, like a 3D object.
 
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doctalaughs said:
- invest heavily into early childhood education
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How about we address PUBLIC educattion instead of blaming the poor minority families.

doctalaughs said:
- create incentives to make it “culturally unpopular” to have unmarried/single mothers. Maybe tax breaks for poor couples that stay together, harsher penalties for dads that run, encourage religeon (because it promotes staying married)
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What does this even have to do with addressing racism? So because a black mother is single, her and her family should be subject to bias?
doctalaughs said:
- body cams for every police interaction and an apolitical multi-racial independent review board when something goes wrong (but do NOT release to public “mob” for a year)
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How about change police culture? Read Michelle Alexander's book
doctalaughs said:
- abolish affirmative action ie racism
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I might give you this one, but don't think things will change because affirmative action is "illegal". See the Harvard decision this week

doctalaughs said:
- fight illegal immigration which takes jobs from poor Americans
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More of a fight with the guy who hires the illegal immigrants, no?
 
Twiggidy said:
Which is really sad when you think about it.
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It’s sad, but you have to realize that you’re actually the most politically powerful group in America. Just think, you simply speaking of equal rights invoked people to vote for what will amount to the worst president in US History.

On the flip side:
-Detroit
-Atlanta
-Philadelphia
-Milwaukee

Someone brought up voting demographics in these elections right?

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FFP said:
I don't want to minimize your experiences, or the pockets of racists in this country, but there is a lot of imagined racism on the left.

There is a victim mentality, that never helped anybody.
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There's a lot of data proven systemic racism. Do a little research.
 
Twiggidy said:
There's a lot of data proven systemic racism. Do a little research.
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Nope. There is data, and then there is a propagandistic interpretation of it. Association doesn't mean causation.

Sociology is a very inexact, very multifactorial science. The data is real, but the interpretations are true Rorschach tests.

It's sad that physicians, who work with another multifactorial science, don't understand how hard it is to prove causality.
 
doctalaughs said:
Have you ever worked for any big company? academia?

If you have, you know it’s widely infiltrated the country. No - it’s not me and my 5 buddies. Try arguing against this type of thought on anything but an anonymous Internet forum and see how long you remain employed.
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You’re asking me personally if I’ve worked in a corporation or academia? If so, you’re asking for my *** anecdote ***

But since we’re talking about feelings and perceptions and anecdotes with our buddies and not actual evidence. Yep, I sure have worked in academia. I did fellowship in nyc in 2016- I’ll never forget this big fat dude who was an ICU charge RN who had no compunction at all, in Manhattan, *during rounds*, about sharing with the group how sick he was that Hillary was gonna win (worked out well for him). Currently I work in academics in a blue city in a red state. My colleagues personally have shared every kind of liberal, libertarian, and conservative view cause at the end of the day we’re all friends. My wife told me one of her friends who is an ICU nurse manager (dem) was absolutely fatigued by the sheer number of ICU rn’s going on about how they’re voting for trump. No one’s getting canceled here.

All the cancel culture stuff? Yes, there are outlandish examples which exist. But mostly the people I see ceaselessly complaining about it are angry even whenever someone is justifiably fired for some outright bigoted behavior.
 
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I partially agree with @FFP. There is somewhat of a victim mentality. Black people dominate the social conversation in this country. Black people dominate and control sports and entertainment. That’s a lot of power. A lot. Time to use it.
 
LimpSpatula said:
I partially agree with @FFP. There is somewhat of a victim mentality. Black people dominate the social conversation in this country. Black people dominate and control sports and entertainment. That’s a lot of power. A lot. Time to use it.
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Oh, some of them use it, just in the wrong (racist) way. See the exaggerations of Lebron James, or even Naomi Osaka (about some imaginary ongoing black "genocide"). Or Critical Race Theory.
 
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FFP said:
s, or the pockets of racists in this country, but there is a lot of imagined racism on the left.

There is a victim mentality, that never he
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doctalaughs said:
- invest heavily into early childhood education
- create incentives to make it “culturally unpopular” to have unmarried/single mothers. Maybe tax breaks for poor couples that stay together, harsher penalties for dads that run, encourage religeon (because it promotes staying married)
- body cams for every police interaction and an apolitical multi-racial independent review board when something goes wrong (but do NOT release to public “mob” for a year)
- abolish affirmative action ie racism
- fight illegal immigration which takes jobs from poor Americans
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1. Great! Lets invest more in public education. Someone tell the republican party (that's been a D priority for years)
2. Encourage religion? Which one? Catholicism? Satanism? Both? This country was founded on seperation of church and state, though many seem to forget. Not to mention the aspersion you cast upon single mothers. How about funding family planning and contraception or *god forbid* abortion? Oh wait thats been an R bogeyman for decades
3. Agree with body cams and independent review of police misconduct. Unfortunately that's been shut down by R's when D's have tried police reform (specifically for the latter issue)
4. Strongly debatable, but not solving any problems by getting rid of it beyond giving people one less thing to complain about.
5. I'm fine with shoring up borders, but the wall is and always was asinine. Furthermore study after study shows immigraiton isn't the problem that is squeezing unskilled labor, automation is.
 
LimpSpatula said:
If we’re speaking in the historically oppressive and violent manner that has been cast on Black America, no.
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One can't just go around accusing other people of crimes they haven't committed, just because they seem to belong to a social group, like the radical left does.

Only the Nazis and the Marxist-Communists used to equal group identity with imagined evil individual behavior (see the Nazi propaganda about Jews, or the Communist one about the bourgeoisie).
 
Man for fcks sake, I wish we actually had a Bernie prez and a progressive veep so at least all this mad raving and flailing against the left and woke and whatever else would be an actual criticism of reality and not the Fox News version of reality.
 
FFP said:
One can't just go around accusing other people of crimes they haven't committed, just because they seem to belong to a social group, like the radical left does.

Only the Nazis and the Marxist-Communists used to equal group identity with imagined evil individual behavior (see the Nazi propaganda about Jews, or the Communist one about the bourgeoisie).
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I guess mods can lock this thread now?
 
vector2 said:
Man for fcks sake, I wish we actually had a Bernie prez and a progressive veep so at least all this mad raving and flailing against the left and woke and whatever else would be an actual criticism of reality and not the Fox News version of reality.
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Man, just wait to see what shows up on here when Trump creates his news network, now that he feels Fox News has betrayed him.
 
The right wing: You dems better nominate a moderate centrist or else everyone is gonna think you’re extremists and we won’t compromise with you

Dems: *nominates Joe Biden*

The right wing: How dare you. He’s not an antifa BLM woke cancel culture m4a gnd extremist but everyone knows he’s a puppet for antifa BLM woke cancel culture m4a gnd extremists- even though he’s come out explicitly against all those things. P.S. we’re still not compromising with you P.P.S. thanks for all those court seats
 
Echo...

Diversify your sources, people, to the "evil" on the other "side", stop living in echo chambers, and then you may begin to understand how your "adversaries" view you and our shared reality.



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vector2 said:
The right wing: You dems better nominate a moderate centrist or else everyone is gonna think you’re extremists and we won’t compromise with you

Dems: *nominates Joe Biden*

The right wing: How dare you. He’s not an antifa BLM woke cancel culture m4a gnd extremist but everyone knows he’s a puppet for antifa BLM woke cancel culture m4a gnd extremists- even though he’s come out explicitly against all those things. P.S. we’re still not compromising with you P.P.S. thanks for all those court seats
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Somewhat back on subject....I’m really bothered they’re not working with his team on the transition. They’re putting our country at risk, but I wouldn’t put it past this current administration if that’s part of the plan.
 
Twiggidy said:
Somewhat back on subject....I’m really bothered they’re not working with his team on the transition. They’re putting our country at risk, but I wouldn’t put it past this current administration if that’s part of the plan.
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It’s absolutely part of the plan. Let the economy burn with no stimulus. Let COVID run wild since the vaccine is not going to be widespread for months. Biden right out of the gate will be left with a pile of sht and will be less prepared than normal because he’s not being given access to transition funds or various government departments.
 
Because the persecutions and cancellations the right denounces only exist in their imaginations, and the woke are not snowflakes:
www.theatlantic.com

Why Matthew Yglesias Left Vox

He is the latest high-profile writer to abandon traditional media.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

"One trend that exacerbated that challenge: colleagues in media treating the expression of allegedly problematic ideas as if they were a human-resources issue. Earlier this year, for instance, after Yglesias signed a group letter published in Harper’s magazine objecting to cancel culture, one of his colleagues, Emily VanDerWerff, told Vox editors that his signature made her feel “less safe at Vox.”

"I asked Yglesias if that matter in any way motivated his departure. “Something we’ve seen in a lot of organizations is increasing sensitivity about language and what people say,” he told me. “It’s a damaging trend in the media in particular because it is an industry that’s about ideas, and if you treat disagreement as a source of harm or personal safety, then it’s very challenging to do good work.”"

"The New York Times, New York, The Intercept, Vox, Slate, The New Republic, and other outlets are today less ideologically diverse in their staff and less tolerant of contentious challenges to the dominant viewpoint of college-educated progressives than they have been in the recent past. I fear that in the short term, Americans will encounter less rigorous and more polarizing journalism. In the long term, a dearth of ideological diversity risks consequences we cannot fully anticipate."

FYI: Yglesias is a Vox co-founder!

Read the letter that he co-signed and try finding something wrong with it.
 
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FFP said:
Because the persecutions and cancellations the right denounces only exist in their imaginations, and the woke are not snowflakes:
www.theatlantic.com

Why Matthew Yglesias Left Vox

He is the latest high-profile writer to abandon traditional media.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

"One trend that exacerbated that challenge: colleagues in media treating the expression of allegedly problematic ideas as if they were a human-resources issue. Earlier this year, for instance, after Yglesias signed a group letter published in Harper’s magazine objecting to cancel culture, one of his colleagues, Emily VanDerWerff, told Vox editors that his signature made her feel “less safe at Vox.”

FYI: Yglesias is a Vox co-founder!
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Tyere are certainly problems with this on the left. Forgiveness and the ability of people to change is critical to the human experience
 
FFP said:
Because the persecutions and cancellations the right denounces only exist in their imaginations, and the woke are not snowflakes:
www.theatlantic.com

Why Matthew Yglesias Left Vox

He is the latest high-profile writer to abandon traditional media.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

"One trend that exacerbated that challenge: colleagues in media treating the expression of allegedly problematic ideas as if they were a human-resources issue. Earlier this year, for instance, after Yglesias signed a group letter published in Harper’s magazine objecting to cancel culture, one of his colleagues, Emily VanDerWerff, told Vox editors that his signature made her feel “less safe at Vox.”

"I asked Yglesias if that matter in any way motivated his departure. “Something we’ve seen in a lot of organizations is increasing sensitivity about language and what people say,” he told me. “It’s a damaging trend in the media in particular because it is an industry that’s about ideas, and if you treat disagreement as a source of harm or personal safety, then it’s very challenging to do good work.”"

"The New York Times, New York, The Intercept, Vox, Slate, The New Republic, and other outlets are today less ideologically diverse in their staff and less tolerant of contentious challenges to the dominant viewpoint of college-educated progressives than they have been in the recent past. I fear that in the short term, Americans will encounter less rigorous and more polarizing journalism. In the long term, a dearth of ideological diversity risks consequences we cannot fully anticipate."

FYI: Yglesias is a Vox co-founder!

Read the letter that he co-signed and try finding something wrong with it.
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Read the whole letter, especially the last paragraph that vanderwerff wrote before making the claim that she was chomping at the bit to push him out over a signature

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doctalaughs said:
- invest heavily into early childhood education
- create incentives to make it “culturally unpopular” to have unmarried/single mothers. Maybe tax breaks for poor couples that stay together, harsher penalties for dads that run, encourage religeon (because it promotes staying married)
- body cams for every police interaction and an apolitical multi-racial independent review board when something goes wrong (but do NOT release to public “mob” for a year)
- abolish affirmative action ie racism
- fight illegal immigration which takes jobs from poor Americans
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Can you provided sources for mainstream republican support of the bolded? At least where I live(and from my perspective nationally), the right has done nothing but oppose those things.
 
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