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better reputation than state and good residency placement considering the average mcat is only about a 28-29.

though the whole DMC thing is definately scaring me away from Wayne at the moment.
 
maestro1625 said:
better reputation than state and good residency placement considering the average mcat is only about a 28-29.

though the whole DMC thing is definately scaring me away from Wayne at the moment.
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It's been solved for over a week...

Anyway, Wayne gives you amazing clinical experience during your rotations. It may be a large class for your first two years, but it's not that different from a majority of med schools. The community outreach opportunities are wide ranging and abundant. Therefore, you have a better opportunity for higher ranking residency placement. And yes... It is where I will be going. Of course I'm sure it would be better if you heard from a current student.
 
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eikenhein said:
Where does WSU-SOM stand compared to other MD programs across America? Is there anything particularly outstanding about its curriculum or philosophy? How about match-lists?

(yeah.. i know this might sound stupid since i'm asking after i got the acceptance)
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It places good ppl at residency spots (duke has couple wayne state students doing residency for surgery). So perhaps the "lower-teir" reputation is not warranted, but it still exists. Personally, I was not pleased with 3 things. 1) Living in detroit 2) the super big class size 3) how expensive it is for OOS (canadians).

Edit (before i get bombasted on this): I know UVM is one of the most expensive schools...but remember Canadians cant declare residency in MI. So you be paying 46K every year for four years at Wayne (Which is accually 4K per year cheaper @ UVM)

P.S I am 100% you cant declare residency in Vermont as an American OOS at UVM, but only 90% sure you can do that in MI at Wayne State. someone correct me on this?
 
sonyvaio2700 said:
It places good ppl at residency spots (duke has couple wayne state students doing residency for surgery). So perhaps the "lower-teir" reputation is not warranted, but it still exists. Personally, I was not pleased with 3 things. 1) Living in detroit 2) the super big class size 3) how expensive it is for OOS (canadians).

Edit (before i get bombasted on this): I know UVM is one of the most expensive schools...but remember Canadians cant declare residency in MI. So you be paying 46K every year for four years at Wayne (Which is accually 4K per year cheaper @ UVM)

P.S I am 100% you cant declare residency in Vermont as an American OOS at UVM, but only 90% sure you can do that in MI at Wayne State. someone correct me on this?
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someone on the other posts mentioned that MI does not allow OOS students (medstudents) declare residency. sounds like a no-go for OOS $-wise :thumbdown:
 
gh said:
someone on the other posts mentioned that MI does not allow OOS students (medstudents) declare residency. sounds like a no-go for OOS $-wise :thumbdown:
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ya definitely, no wonder they accept so many ppl from OOS. It would be extremely unlikely a OOS would choose wayne over a state school. in fact, almost all private schools are less expensive for OOS than wayne state.
 
gapotts2003 said:
It's been solved for over a week...

Anyway, Wayne gives you amazing clinical experience during your rotations. It may be a large class for your first two years, but it's not that different from a majority of med schools. The community outreach opportunities are wide ranging and abundant. Therefore, you have a better opportunity for higher ranking residency placement. And yes... It is where I will be going. Of course I'm sure it would be better if you heard from a current student.
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while that's true... the contract expires before what would be our fourth year. And who knows what kind of stunt Duggan will pull before then...

If it werent for this I'd be happy to go to wayne though. I've got a parent who's an alumni there and his Wayne education and residency didnt stop him from taking a harvard fellowship.

I actually would kinda like living in detroit too... lots of little entertainment venues, good nightlife, and an overall fun downtown. iThis of course runs contrary to the opinions of oakland county kids who think they'll "get shot" once they get south of Hazel Park.
 
eikenhein said:
Where does WSU-SOM stand compared to other MD programs across America? Is there anything particularly outstanding about its curriculum or philosophy? How about match-lists?

(yeah.. i know this might sound stupid since i'm asking after i got the acceptance)
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it's looked at better than Wright State University -School of Medicine
 
maestro1625 said:
while that's true... the contract expires before what would be our fourth year. And who knows what kind of stunt Duggan will pull before then...

If it werent for this I'd be happy to go to wayne though. I've got a parent who's an alumni there and his Wayne education and residency didnt stop him from taking a harvard fellowship.

I actually would kinda like living in detroit too... lots of little entertainment venues, good nightlife, and an overall fun downtown. iThis of course runs contrary to the opinions of oakland county kids who think they'll "get shot" once they get south of Hazel Park.
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Hey Maestro....I'm one of those "oakland county kids"....and before you stereotype an entire county, get your facts straight and don't come off as such a condescending a$$hole. To those concerned about Detroit, it is def. up and coming....I know many people enjoy living at Riverfront apartments downtown...there are very good nightlife options...Tigers games are a blast etc. My friends and I often go downtown about once a month. About Wayne.....be very careful when you decide to go there for sure. I have several friends (M1-M4) who are constantly griping about how bad the administration is. They are inefficient and do not communicate well with the student body. The clinical experience is really good, however, so that may offset the lack of satisfaction most students have when they enter their third year. Also, the facilities are very old and need upgrades to keep pace with other institutions.
 
"...the opinions of many oakland county kids..."

there, fixed it for ya :rolleyes:
 
maestro1625 said:
while that's true... the contract expires before what would be our fourth year. And who knows what kind of stunt Duggan will pull before then...

If it werent for this I'd be happy to go to wayne though. I've got a parent who's an alumni there and his Wayne education and residency didnt stop him from taking a harvard fellowship.

I actually would kinda like living in detroit too... lots of little entertainment venues, good nightlife, and an overall fun downtown. iThis of course runs contrary to the opinions of oakland county kids who think they'll "get shot" once they get south of Hazel Park.
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Stop stereotyping. I wouldn't live right in the city unless it was on the waterfront or on campus. Detroit isn't as bad as the media portrays it, but there is a small risk at night in areas with lower police presence. Poverty is a huge problem there along with drug use. Therefore, people tend to do some crazy things for drugs, alcohol, or money. Downtown is very safe for the most part. My grandmother's house on Outer Drive was robbed when she was asleep and therefore she's not living there anymore.

Anyway, I plan to live at home anyway and just commute at least for year 1 and 2. Yes, I am one of those "Oakland County kids".
 
sonyvaio2700 said:
ya definitely, no wonder they accept so many ppl from OOS. It would be extremely unlikely a OOS would choose wayne over a state school. in fact, almost all private schools are less expensive for OOS than wayne state.
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Know why they have such a high tuition rate for OOS? It's because they want to train physicians for the state of Michigan/underserved areas. They aren't so interested in training physicians that will get out of Michigan right after they get their M.D. Although students that are trained there do leave Michigan for residencies and better opportunities, their focus is on serving the people of Michigan and by preferring to take more instate students, I guess they think that increases the chances of their grads staying in the state.
 
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gapotts2003 said:
So what's your opinion of the area in terms of safety? Where are you living now anyway?
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The area of Detroit that Wayne State is in is relatively safe. It's quite a nice area to tell you the truth. Just don't find the hood at night.
 
gapotts2003 said:
So what's your opinion of the area in terms of safety? Where are you living now anyway?
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wsu's hospital area is about as safe in an urban area as you can get... it's pretty heavily patrolled by both the detroit police and campus police. Woodward is getting pretty well covered in condos and whatnot too... chances are the area is going to look a whole lot different in four years than it will now.

and btw, I went to HS in north Flint and Albion is kinda like flint compacted into a town of 9k people. lots of closed factories, high unemployment, mostly minority population.

and I didnt mean to insult everyone (though I'm not too sure how someone gets easily offended by an oakland stereotype), I just get tired of hearing about the "bad neighborhood" reputation of wayne that seems to spread around SDN and other places. I got re-routed off of 94 the day before my interview, and trust me, there are some nasty parts of the city that I ended up driving thru, but Wayne's area isn't one of them.
 
maestro1625 said:
wsu's hospital area is about as safe in an urban area as you can get... it's pretty heavily patrolled by both the detroit police and campus police. Woodward is getting pretty well covered in condos and whatnot too... chances are the area is going to look a whole lot different in four years than it will now.

and btw, I went to HS in north Flint and Albion is kinda like flint compacted into a town of 9k people. lots of closed factories, high unemployment, mostly minority population.

and I didnt mean to insult everyone, I just get tired of hearing about the "bad neighborhood" reputation of wayne that seems to spread around SDN and other places
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Well yes. That's the way it is portrayed in the media. You hear people out of state and from other countries that are surprised to see that it isn't as bad as it is portrayed.
 
PhantomfanMD said:
Know why they have such a high tuition rate for OOS? It's because they want to train physicians for the state of Michigan/underserved areas. They aren't so interested in training physicians that will get out of Michigan right after they get their M.D. Although students that are trained there do leave Michigan for residencies and better opportunities, their focus is on serving the people of Michigan and by preferring to take more instate students, I guess they think that increases the chances of their grads staying in the state.
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Yes. That is part of their mission. A huge amount of the students do stay in Michigan and practice in Michigan. This is why they are a public school committed to serving the communities of Michigan much the same way as MSU is committed to primary care in rural areas.
 
I would really like to go to Wayne State. Unfortunately, I called them just today regarding my secondary which I submitted two weeks ago. They told me that my application had been reviewed and that I was on the "possible interview" list. They did tell me that they "try" to interview everyone on that list, but I think it just a more nicer way of saying "hold". Being OOS (Canadian), I knew it was going to be pretty hard. But if it is what I think it is, this sucks!

On another note, it is super expensive to attend Wayne for OOS students, but nearly all the other schools that applied to, seem to be just as expensive (GW, RSF, Albany, NYMC, Einstein, etc.). I'd like to go to Wayne because it's in a city (Detroit). I am just used to that type of atmosphere.
 
I know this has little to do with the topic, but does anyone here have the decision call-in dates for Wayne?

Thanks.
 
Dayne said:
I would really like to go to Wayne State. Unfortunately, I called them just today regarding my secondary which I submitted two weeks ago. They told me that my application had been reviewed and that I was on the "possible interview" list. They did tell me that they "try" to interview everyone on that list, but I think it just a more nicer way of saying "hold". Being OOS (Canadian), I knew it was going to be pretty hard. But if it is what I think it is, this sucks!

On another not, it is super expensive to attend Wayne for OOS students, but nearly all the other schools that applied to, seem to be just as expensive (GW, RSF, Albany, NYMC, Einstein, etc.). I'd like to go to Wayne because it's in a city (Detroit). I am just used to that type of atmosphere.
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Also a Canadian here. Curious what kind of stats do you have... WSU-SOM is perhaps the easiest school to get into for Canadian students because they treat us the same as OOS students. It is also very expensive at ~$75,000 per year with the living expenses and all.
 
eikenhein said:
Also a Canadian here. Curious what kind of stats do you have... WSU-SOM is perhaps the easiest school to get into for Canadian students because they treat us the same as OOS students. It is also very expensive at ~$75,000 per year with the living expenses and all.
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3.7, 34Q
 
My stats are 3.70 GPA (3.98 BPCM) and 30O (10, 10, 10). Solid, I guess, but not good enough to jump over the OOS fence. Also, I probably should have submitted my primaries earlier (i.e. June/July).
 
Dayne said:
My stats are 3.70 GPA (3.98 BPCM) and 30O (10, 10, 10). Solid, I guess, but not good enough to jump over the OOS fence. Also, I probably should have submitted my primaries earlier (i.e. June/July).
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Those are awesome stats...just be patient...
 
Thanks. I guess that all I can do now is hope for the best....but the wait sucks...
 
Dayne said:
I would really like to go to Wayne State. Unfortunately, I called them just today regarding my secondary which I submitted two weeks ago. They told me that my application had been reviewed and that I was on the "possible interview" list. They did tell me that they "try" to interview everyone on that list, but I think it just a more nicer way of saying "hold". Being OOS (Canadian), I knew it was going to be pretty hard. But if it is what I think it is, this sucks!
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Did you just call them and ask for the status on your application, is that how you found out you were put on the "possible interview" list?
 
gapotts2003 said:
Yes. That is part of their mission. A huge amount of the students do stay in Michigan and practice in Michigan. This is why they are a public school committed to serving the communities of Michigan much the same way as MSU is committed to primary care in rural areas.
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hence the high tuition for out of staters.
 
Wayne is definitely not in the prettiest place. Downtown Detroit is even more dilapidated than I expected. After my interview, me and another interviewee went to Greektown and hung out by the casinos, which was filled with out of work auto workers who were dressed in torn clothes and bitching about the guy who didn't split aces when the dealer was showing 16 which then caused the dealer to catch 20 and bust the table. Anyway, it was pretty sad.

That said, DMC is awesome. The sheer number of hospitals (I think they mentioned around 15), which are interconnected by underground tunnels (pretty cool in person), gives you a ton of tertiary care experience. Also, surprisingly, Wayne matches people into decent (though not great) residencies for the specialities I'm interested in--Surgery, Ortho, Neurosurgery. And as far as the class size goes, they break everyone up into small groups of 25 or so people, which comprises a unit of some sort. This group has its own room where small group discussions and labs are held (this room also doubles as a study space and computer lab). All the lectures are also streamed online, in case you miss a class or just don't attend very often. Unless you're super anal about getting to every lecture, this feature is actually very helpful, as it allows you to cover the lecture material on your own pace and schedule. I wish more schools did this.

The biggest gripe I have with the school is the cost. According to the Wayne website the cost of tuition and fees for OOS students is clost to $51k. They also state that the cost of living in Detroit for 10 months is going to be $19k, which seems pretty high considering our student guide said she paid $450 for rent. Its really not the cost, since many schools are close to $50k and my best shot of getting in is going to be either at a private school or as an OOS student at a public school. I have resigned myself to the $220k+ of debt I'm going to accrue. But if I'm going to owe that much, I would rather it not be in Detroit.
 
junebuguf said:
Wayne is definitely not in the prettiest place. Downtown Detroit is even more dilapidated than I expected. After my interview, me and another interviewee went to Greektown and hung out by the casinos, which was filled with out of work auto workers who were dressed in torn clothes and bitching about the guy who didn't split aces when the dealer was showing 16 which then caused the dealer to catch 20 and bust the table. Anyway, it was pretty sad.

That said, DMC is awesome. The sheer number of hospitals (I think they mentioned around 15), which are interconnected by underground tunnels (pretty cool in person), gives you a ton of tertiary care experience. Also, surprisingly, Wayne matches people into decent (though not great) residencies for the specialities I'm interested in--Surgery, Ortho, Neurosurgery. And as far as the class size goes, they break everyone up into small groups of 25 or so people, which comprises a unit of some sort. This group has its own room where small group discussions and labs are held (this room also doubles as a study space and computer lab). All the lectures are also streamed online, in case you miss a class or just don't attend very often. Unless you're super anal about getting to every lecture, this feature is actually very helpful, as it allows you to cover the lecture material on your own pace and schedule. I wish more schools did this.

The biggest gripe I have with the school is the cost. According to the Wayne website the cost of tuition and fees for OOS students is clost to $51k. They also state that the cost of living in Detroit for 10 months is going to be $19k, which seems pretty high considering our student guide said she paid $450 for rent. Its really not the cost, since many schools are close to $50k and my best shot of getting in is going to be either at a private school or as an OOS student at a public school. I have resigned myself to the $220k+ of debt I'm going to accrue. But if I'm going to owe that much, I would rather it not be in Detroit.
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costs are probably that high because you need to have a car (and other costs such as gas, insurance, maintainance, etc). auto insurance in detroit is really high. at wayne, a car is necessary because if you want to eat healthy then you would have to travel several miles.
 
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