SDN Fairgrounds - 10th Annual Noob WW Game

[beans2020]

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Wait why would one be 3p and wolf and not village and wolf?

It's very possible that one could be village and one could be wolf. There are three possibilities:

1. village and 3p
2. village and wolf
3. 3p and wolf

I was saying that 3p and wolf is probably the worst combination out of the three. Doesn't mean one of them is 3p - but we have to consider that one might be.

 

[katiemcat]

Idk because a ton of us voted T4C so I feel like that would be a futile strategy since it would be likely for a lot of us to still vote T4C today after changing it last time. I think we are all still agreeing that he is sus

My current thoughts are still most strongly that Vampy was made to go first to place some suspicion on her. She could have easily redirected onto another person like yesterday making that "plan" to have her bandwagon T4C futile.

 

[vampyrica]

Still not unconvinced this was exactly the purpose of making vamp vote first, since that was her vote yesterday

huh?

 

[fruitsalad]

One fairgoer feels it most strongly - a heavy pull, a compulsion they cannot resist. Their hand seems guided by something not entirely their own. Whatever the cause, it’s clear to everyone:

VAMPYRICA MUST BE THE FIRST TO VOTE TODAY

i mean, this doesn't sound good

 

[vampyrica]

Updated reads, order matters!
Also - can't remember who asked this, sorry - but vampy was correct when she said that I will not know the identity of the doctor if they heal me tonight. All I will know is that I have been healed.

village lean
katie
rae
apoptosis
Spurs - seems to be actively investigating and asking lots of good questions. Admittedly I don't have a ton of evidence on him, but I don't have enough to put him in the scum lean list so he'll stay here for now.
Fruit - yes, he moved again. He basically admitted his power role and it seems to be a village role. However, I can't move him any further up on the village list until we have more information.

scum lean
spiane - least likely to be wolf out of everyone in the scum least. However, I still feel like I don't have enough evidence from them to justify moving them up to village.
nicole - similar to spiane, I just don't have enough evidence to move them up.
CeeGee
PBC/vampy - they are hanging out together for the moment because of fruit's findings last night. Apologies if one of you are actually village and you ended up down here.
T4C

damn, well i did ask for updates. i’d rather be false scum than neutral lol

 

[kaydubs]

Day 3 Duck...Duck...VOTE Tally

T4C (3) - vampy, spiane, katiemcat
CG ()
fruit (2) - rae, apoptosis
PBC (1) - fruit

6/12 votes (there are 12 of you left, right?)

Deadline: 9pm EDT on 8/20 (~7.25 hours)

 

[soupshark]

i mean, this doesn't sound good

Yea it's got a negative tone

 

[vampyrica]

i mean, this doesn't sound good

so this kinda confirms this was someone’s action onto me

 

[apoptosis09]

huh?

Sorry I'm bad at reading post history 😅 I thought you were with me on the t4c wagon D2 vote

 

[soupshark]

so this kinda confirms this was someone’s action onto me

I think so too. There really isn't a way to argue that it was a village power because I doubt it would have such a negative description if that were the case. It sounds like something sinister is manipulating the game

 

[beans2020]

I don't really know what to do better. You mean I'm not providing enough evidence and making enough claims?

You're doing a great job so far, don't worry! What I meant was that I just feel like I haven't seen as much of you as some of the other players, so it's hard to make a good read. (That's why you're pretty much square in the middle of my list - I could see you flipping either way). Keep sharing your opinions/read lists/ideas and that will help 🙂

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

It is now Day 3

As the sun rises over the fairgrounds, an odd hush falls over the midway. Something unseen lingers in the air, like a whisper carried on the wind.

One fairgoer feels it most strongly - a heavy pull, a compulsion they cannot resist. Their hand seems guided by something not entirely their own. Whatever the cause, it’s clear to everyone:

VAMPYRICA MUST BE THE FIRST TO VOTE TODAY

No votes will be counted until they have done so.

The fair continues… though some swear they hear faint laughter echoing from the empty rides after dark.

Vote closes at 9 pm EDT TOMORROW, 8/20​

i think its more reasonable to assume wolves dont know my role, and if they did have some influence in this, they chose is based on what happened in the thread last night (ie: first vote for sk, super active and giving anti-wolf pointers publically on the thread etc)

I wondered for a min if the "this person must vote first" could be a random "chaos" mechanism? While I like that as a wildcard, I think it's more likely the wolves put up Vamp to influence who gets targeted. I'm not saying Vamp is bad, more likely they are a convenient option they can use as a proxy to push their agenda.

I need to look back to see who Vamp have voted for, but I suspect the wolves want to target whomever they voted for because the first names that get tossed out seem to be targeted, at least so far. There are a lot of posts to sort through (I'm partially to blame bc I love butter), but I'm going to be looking at Vamp's voting pattern because I don't think it's random they chose them.

Ppl asked me earlier for my thoughts on things, so this is where I'm at so far. I have a bunch of reports i need to write this afternoon, so I prob won't get a chance to look through the 20+ pages of posts until late afternoon/evening, but I'll circle back and share what I find.

 

[soupshark]

I don't really know what to do better. You mean I'm not providing enough evidence and making enough claims?

Also @beans2020 can you pls clarify?

 

[fruitsalad]

It is now Day 3

As the sun rises over the fairgrounds, an odd hush falls over the midway. Something unseen lingers in the air, like a whisper carried on the wind.

One fairgoer feels it most strongly - a heavy pull, a compulsion they cannot resist. Their hand seems guided by something not entirely their own. Whatever the cause, it’s clear to everyone:

VAMPYRICA MUST BE THE FIRST TO VOTE TODAY

No votes will be counted until they have done so.

The fair continues… though some swear they hear faint laughter echoing from the empty rides after dark.

Vote closes at 9 pm EDT TOMORROW, 8/20​

hmm, "faint laughter echoing from empty rides" doesn't sound great

 

[soupshark]

Oops ignore

 

[vampyrica]

I wondered for a min if the "this person must vote first" could be a random "chaos" mechanism? While I like that as a wildcard, I think it's more likely the wolves put up Vamp to influence who gets targeted. I'm not saying Vamp is bad, more likely they are a convenient option they can use as a proxy to push their agenda.

I need to look back to see who Vamp have voted for, but I suspect the wolves want to target whomever they voted for because the first names that get tossed out seem to be targeted, at least so far. There are a lot of posts to sort through (I'm partially to blame bc I love butter), but I'm going to be looking at Vamp's voting pattern because I don't think it's random they chose them.

Ppl asked me earlier for my thoughts on things, so this is where I'm at so far. I have a bunch of reports i need to write this afternoon, so I prob won't get a chance to look through the 20+ pages of posts until late afternoon/evening, but I'll circle back and share what I find.

thank you T4C! genuinely appreciate your insight here and checking in

 

[soupshark]

You're doing a great job so far, don't worry! What I meant was that I just feel like I haven't seen as much of you as some of the other players, so it's hard to make a good read. (That's why you're pretty much square in the middle of my list - I could see you flipping either way). Keep sharing your opinions/read lists/ideas and that will help 🙂

Ok thanks for elaborating. I feel like I have spent the entire day yesterday and today on here lol but my goal today is to make better analyses of things

 

[PrincessButterCup]

so, I looked into vampy and PBC last night and found out they don't have the same affiliation (they aren't both village or both wolves, so something weird is happening). i looked into them because they're most experienced and village read pretty well, so if there's a spot for misdirection, it could be between these two. i think the purple text is a consequence of my finding a wolf or someone acting on me because I was pretty popular the previous day and a lot of people were discussing about me, the message wasn't clear on that aspect.

i responded last night intending to see how people respond to me. some seemed genuine, but others are either misunderstanding what I'm saying or adding to further confusion. i'm not sure why rae continues to misunderstand me, but PBC apparently overly fixated on one point regarding the poisoner and somehow misinterpreted that significantly despite I was clear on that point earlier.

I'll maintain my wolfreads on CG and T4C, but I'm going to go with this for now:

unyeet CG
yeet PBC

I wouldn't say I misinterpreted your posts about the poisoning, I'd say you were being cryptic and I was hung up on understanding why. I couldn't tell if you were trying to throw shade on Rae or Bean or both, and I want to figure it out.

BUT I have knowledge of your role type and what you're saying is consistent with the information I was given. I'm village, and while my role isn't vital to the game I'd like to stay and play for as long as I can. I think Frutie's night results are enough evidence for me to vote

yeet Vampy

@WildZoo
@kaydubs

 

[soupshark]

hmm, "faint laughter echoing from empty rides" doesn't sound great

Do wolves laugh? 😆

 

[soupshark]

thank you T4C! genuinely appreciate your insight here and checking in

Ditto

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

The purple text is weird and the fact that, despite allegedly being not wolfy, they won’t talk about it.

Can someone point me to the post where the purple text first started? It seems noteable, but I'm not sure if it is meant to highlight fruit (i.e. target) or if the wolves want us to pitchfork our way to kililng a strong powered villager/good person?

 

[soupshark]

I wouldn't say I misinterpreted your posts about the poisoning, I'd say you were being cryptic and I was hung up on understanding why. I couldn't tell if you were trying to throw shade on Rae or Bean or both, and I want to figure it out.

BUT I have knowledge of your role type and what you're saying is consistent with the information I was given. I'm village, and while my role isn't vital to the game I'd like to stay and play for as long as I can. I think Frutie's night results are enough evidence for me to vote

yeet Vampy

@WildZoo
@kaydubs

knowledge you say? 🤔

 

[vampyrica]

I wouldn't say I misinterpreted your posts about the poisoning, I'd say you were being cryptic and I was hung up on understanding why. I couldn't tell if you were trying to throw shade on Rae or Bean or both, and I want to figure it out.

BUT I have knowledge of your role type and what you're saying is consistent with the information I was given. I'm village, and while my role isn't vital to the game I'd like to stay and play for as long as I can. I think Frutie's night results are enough evidence for me to vote

yeet Vampy

@WildZoo
@kaydubs

well that’s convenient :\

 

[vampyrica]

i’m not gonna RR- but if PBC is claiming they’re vanilla town, then i’m gonna drop this here too:

i would argue my role & abilities are much more important to keep as they actively benefit town

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

so several people pointed out the fishy beans post and said they were suspicious of that, so we don’t know if poisoning is necessarily a wolfy ability that was used

I do wonder if beans getting support early for mayor was a wolfy move to see if they could take control early and pick off people. I have the same concern about fruit, but part of me is wondering if they need us to kill them off for some reason.

I think I was a useful distraction the first day and a half for the wolves, but there is def some ****ery going on behind the scenes. Blocking actions, limited posting, etc.

 

[soupshark]

i’m not gonna RR- but if PBC is claiming they’re vanilla town, then i’m gonna drop this here too:

i would argue my role & abilities are much more important to keep as they actively benefit town

RR?

 

[soupshark]

I do wonder if beans getting support early for mayor was a wolfy move to see if they could take control early and pick off people. I have the same concern about fruit, but part of me is wondering if they need us to kill them off for some reason.

I think I was a useful distraction the first day and a half for the wolves, but there is def some ****ery going on behind the scenes. Blocking actions, limited posting, etc.

Yes I am also worried that the fruit thing is a ploy

 

[_rae_]

Okie dokie! Here's my thoughts so far. Order DOES matter.

Townie:
apoptosis09: feels like a lost town noob to me.
GoSpursGo: an administrator in our midst??? Must be a wolf!! Nah jk, questioning mod process feels v noob paranoia to me (as if I am not also a noob).
PrincessButterCup: seems very engaged, very comfortable, no wolf tingles just vibes
indysadventures: Also campaigned hard for mayor. Our banter feels very town/town to me. However I did misread them last time so who knows.
katiemcat: seems involved and pretty neutral overall. Leaning town more than anything else.
beans2020: seems town for the moment. Not a ton of hard campaigning and seemed like a shoe in for mayor. Indy and I did end up splitting the votes, but Beans was a quick yes for many. Perhaps there were wolves in the vote? Perhaps Beans is really that good and well liked? I'm leaning toward the latter but open to the former. Asking about night actions though? A bit wolfy I gotta say.

Sorta Tingly:
CeeGee14: seems like an overwhelmed noob. I know how disheartening it is to be dogpiled on. I'm not convinced CeeGee is the vote today unless someone can make a compelling case
Therapist4Chnge: mostly neutral
spiane: a few posts, mostly reactionary, not a ton of self introduction or searching for things.
nicoledoesvetstuff: primarily neutral interactions.
vampyrica: difficult for me to read.
sksisk: very little to go off of. Need more. Right now anyone not participating (unless for known things like growing a human or cleaning up dog poop) feels a bit suspicious. Day two feels like prime time to jump in.
fruitsalad: could go either way for me. The flippity floppily hippity hoppity mayor votes could just be chaotic fruit, or they could be reminiscent of the panicked fruit wolfing from last game. Only time will tell.

I have no strong wolf reads at the moment. If pressed, I'm not sure I could pick someone to vote for right now.

Updated list:

Townie Leans:
apoptosis09: feels like a lost town noob to me.
GoSpursGo: an administrator in our midst??? Must be a wolf!! Nah jk, questioning mod process feels v noob paranoia to me (as if I am not also a noob).
PrincessButterCup: seems very engaged, very comfortable, no wolf tingles just vibes
beans2020: seems town for the moment. Not a ton of hard campaigning and seemed like a shoe in for mayor. Indy and I did end up splitting the votes, but Beans was a quick yes for many. Perhaps there were wolves in the vote? Perhaps Beans is really that good and well liked? I'm leaning toward the latter but open to the former. Asking about night actions though? A bit wolfy I gotta say.
nicoledoesvetstuff: seems mostly noonish to me.
katiemcat: seems involved and pretty neutral overall. Leaning town more than anything else.
spiane: a few posts, mostly reactionary, not a ton of self introduction or searching for things. Feels very confused noob to me.

Wolf Leans:
CeeGee14: seems like an overwhelmed noob. I know how disheartening it is to be dogpiled on. More participation today feels better, but I'm still not sure.
Therapist4Chnge: I'm really struggling. Yes there's not a ton to go off of but they do seem to be making an effort.
spiane: a few posts, mostly reactionary, not a ton of self introduction or searching for things.
vampyrica: very strong right now, I do believe the vote thing is probably a redirect or a distraction, but feels like she may be backed into a corner. Something isn't sitting right.
fruitsalad: I hear what people are saying about fruit but I have a gut feeling and it would be sus of me to not stick with it. Tinfoil or not this is where I'm at. Pointing fingers at "recycled reasoning" feels like a distraction. Something more is going on.

Ded:
Wolf lean - sksisk: very little to go off of. Need more. Right now anyone not participating (unless for known things like growing a human or cleaning up dog poop) feels a bit suspicious. Day two feels like prime time to jump in. OOPS WAS TOWN
Village lean - indysadventures: Also campaigned hard for mayor. Our banter feels very town/town to me. However I did misread them last time so who knows. CONFIRMED VILLAGE

 

[soupshark]

spiane: Feels very confused noob to me.

YOU COULD SAY THAT AGAIN 🤣 but I feel like I'm finally getting the hang of it

 

[apoptosis09]

well that’s convenient :\

I'm not sure how much better this makes me feel 😅 "i have secret info that has changed my vote but I can't tell" is frustrating at minimum. but could be genuine

 

[vampyrica]

RR?

RR = role reveal aka i tell you what i am

 

[fruitsalad]

I have a gut feeling and it would be sus of me to not stick with it. Tinfoil or not this is where I'm at. Pointing fingers at "recycled reasoning" feels like a distraction.

your gut feeling is from one game and then approaching this from a sus-tinted worldview

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

Sk would have been a safe vote for wolves to get behind because they had so much suspicion thrown on them that a vote that way wouldn't stand out and also couldn't snowball into a wolf yeet. On the flip side, voting for a wolf (if they're yeeted and revealed) gives some soft village cred so if CeeGee or T4C are actually scum, I wouldn't be shocked if we have another wolf showing up in their votes. But this line of thought narrows down absolutely nothing. It's interesting that neither CeeGee or T4C voted for each other, although by the time they voted Sk was the best self preservation vote. Could that be why they both avoided voting until late in the day?

I held off voting because I needed more info, but then it became clear that I needed to back whomever had the 2nd most votes bc ya'll had me ready to string up for the better part of the day. No deception on my part, I voted out of pure need to survive the vote, even though I am still suspicious of CG.

 

[beans2020]

@_rae_ I think you accidentally put spiane twice again

 

[soupshark]

@_rae_ I think you accidentally put spiane twice again

Yea lol

 

[vampyrica]

okay so, where do we go from here? the votes are all over the place and although we still have 7 hours, we need to start getting on the same page

 

[fruitsalad]

okay so, where do we go from here? the votes are all over the place and although we still have 7 hours, we need to start getting on the same page

we can decide between you/PBC, or resume with T4C and CG push from before

 

[_rae_]

Also coming back to respond to this:

i’m sorry- what? i’m not a co-mayor or side-mayor or any sort of leadership role. what are you getting at here?

please quote me all the times she asked me for “leadership in her absence” besides the time she asked for some help when we was first elected as mayor

Look, is there a specific quote? No. You're just a very strong player and maybe it's the experience or maybe it's what your vibe is (and I say that not in a bad way, women and women aligned people get **** on for having strong opinions), but I feel like you're almost more in a leadership role than Beans. Like I said, maybe Beans has some mayoral duties or you're just really skilled at taking the lead, but this is just my interpretation.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 3 Duck...Duck...VOTE Tally

T4C (3) - vampy, spiane, katiemcat
CG ()
fruit (2) - rae, apoptosis
PBC (1) - fruit
vampy (1) - PBC

7/12 votes (there are 12 of you left, right?)

Deadline: 9pm EDT on 8/20 (~7 hours)

 

[_rae_]

@_rae_ I think you accidentally put spiane twice again

Yea lol

Heck I just copy and pasted my old reads list and edited it. Spiane is currently in solid town lean territory for me.

 

[_rae_]

your gut feeling is from one game and then approaching this from a sus-tinted worldview

No, my gut feeling is you keep saying you're being an open book and clear while multiple people have said you're being confusing. I mentioned the feels like wolf you from last time twice, but mostly provided evidence from this game that's making me feel this way.

 

[vampyrica]

Also coming back to respond to this:

Look, is there a specific quote? No. You're just a very strong player and maybe it's the experience or maybe it's what your vibe is (and I say that not in a bad way, women and women aligned people get **** on for having strong opinions), but I feel like you're almost more in a leadership role than Beans. Like I said, maybe Beans has some mayoral duties or you're just really skilled at taking the lead, but this is just my interpretation.

if you want me to take a step back and watch things go by, i’m happy to do so. but then i really don’t want to hear “oh vampy was so active and helpful the first 3 pages and then she stopped. WOLFY WOLFY!!!”

i didn’t realize problem solving and being active was a bad thing :\

 

[_rae_]

if you want me to take a step back and watch things go by, i’m happy to do so. but then i really don’t want to hear “oh vampy was so active and helpful the first 3 pages and then she stopped. WOLFY WOLFY!!!”

i didn’t realize problem solving and being active was a bad thing :\

Being active isn't a bad thing, it just feels like you very seamlessly and easily took the lead in a way that would be beneficial to the wolves.

I'm not trying to be too personal. I'm just sharing my thought process.

 

[soupshark]

Also coming back to respond to this:

Look, is there a specific quote? No. You're just a very strong player and maybe it's the experience or maybe it's what your vibe is (and I say that not in a bad way, women and women aligned people get **** on for having strong opinions), but I feel like you're almost more in a leadership role than Beans. Like I said, maybe Beans has some mayoral duties or you're just really skilled at taking the lead, but this is just my interpretation.

It's interesting you find that to be wolfy. To me, qualities of leadership are trustworthy. Maybe that will bite me in the ass later... we will see. Also, for that same reason I'm a little sus of Beans because since they are mayor I expected them to show more leadership

 

[vampyrica]

we can decide between you/PBC, or resume with T4C and CG push from before

i mean if its down to me and PBC, i’m obviously not going to vote for myself.

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

2. Fruit has to type in purple and isn’t fully explaining why. It could be the result of an action he’s taken-like poisoning-or it could be the result of a night action against them. His initial cagey-ness could be due to him needing to organize his thoughts and regroup before posting anything. Because as we all know, every little thing gets analyzed here. It’s a reasonable explanation for his initial silence. I feel like while he has been a bit sus so far, it’s not enough to yeet him. Especially since we don’t know what else will occur on N3, him still being around could be beneficial.

Argh!! CG you are killin' me! I still have my suspicions, but I've been kicking around the possibility that the purple text was also a consequence of an action (like poisoning) and it'd be a giant blinking arrow pointed at Fruit, and their word salad responses seem to be meant to confuse. No worries, I was thoroughly confused, still am. That said, the fact that CG shared this makes me wonder their status bc I am also leaning that way.

Ya'll are playing Tri-dementional chess now in WW!!

 

[fruitsalad]

No, my gut feeling is you keep saying you're being an open book and clear while multiple people have said you're being confusing. I mentioned the feels like wolf you from last time twice, but mostly provided evidence from this game that's making me feel this way.

and i provided clarity which was met with selective attention. like i said, how people handle me is a good way to find wolves. the evidence is already responded to but again it looks like confirmation biasing.

 

[vampyrica]

Being active isn't a bad thing, it just feels like you very seamlessly and easily took the lead in a way that would be beneficial to the wolves.

I'm not trying to be too personal. I'm just sharing my thought process.

were my votes wrong? yes, upping someone is always a gamble and i’ll admit when i’m wrong
have i done anything to give wolves an advantage? no

i have actively encouraged people to not strategize in thread, not role reveal, not give out too much information regarding what is going on in their private DM, and encouraged convo amongst everyone so nobody feels left out.

i’m not taking it personally, i just think you’re reading it all wrong

 

[soupshark]

if you want me to take a step back and watch things go by, i’m happy to do so. but then i really don’t want to hear “oh vampy was so active and helpful the first 3 pages and then she stopped. WOLFY WOLFY!!!”

i didn’t realize problem solving and being active was a bad thing :\

Vampy please don't step back you are very helpful. I'm also convinced you were targeted which strengthens my village lean for you

 

[apoptosis09]

Also coming back to respond to this:

Look, is there a specific quote? No. You're just a very strong player and maybe it's the experience or maybe it's what your vibe is (and I say that not in a bad way, women and women aligned people get **** on for having strong opinions), but I feel like you're almost more in a leadership role than Beans. Like I said, maybe Beans has some mayoral duties or you're just really skilled at taking the lead, but this is just my interpretation.

Being active isn't a bad thing, it just feels like you very seamlessly and easily took the lead in a way that would be beneficial to the wolves.

I'm not trying to be too personal. I'm just sharing my thought process.

I agree vampy has taken a pretty lead role (corroborated above that I called her our game guru lol) but I'm not so sure this warrants shade toward vampy for stepping up/leading vs beans for not being quite as leadery