Since this seems to be a thing today, I'm going to post the entire "valid" word choice conversation. I don't think I was willfully misunderstanding Fruitie but I think it'll help to isolate these posts.
Overall, I was trying I was trying to figure out why Frutie was questioning Rae saying that poisoning is a valid night mechanic. Frutie kept cycling back to saying they've never seen it before so why did Rae know it could be a valid action? We've had a ton of people with didn't different experiences sharing what they know of previous games, so why was this the thing that melted our brains? I was trying my best to figure out the logic behind Frutie's focus on Rae using "valid" as being confusing or sketch, and it took me a bit to get there. Someone else jump in and tell me at what point Fruitie started making sense to you.
Post 1: Fruitie saying the situation is confusing
i thought i mentioned a few times that this weirdness was from last night and didn’t want to focus on it to avoid complicating an already confusing situation, i don’t know what happened to me which is why i’m processing it. but i have to post in purple today
Post 2: Rae responds and uses the now controversial "valid"
What’s confusing about our situation other than vampy? Indy was killed and beans was poisoned, both valid night mechanics. You and vampy are our odd ones out and I think a wolf is involved in at least one of them.
Post 3: the beginning of my side eye, Fruitie focusing on "valid" as being unreasonable in this context
how is poisoning a valid night mechanic? this is the first time i’m seeing it, along with the weirdness requiring vampy to vote first (although i wonder if that meant to be a callback to the last game), these things are what created a confusing situation, my having to post in purple only adds to the confusion but supports the role madness nature of the game
Post 4: I jump in clarifying that poisoning is not a weird ability and it's complimentary to village healers abilities
It's not unusual, otherwise why would a village healer ever exist
*edit it = poisoning
Post 5: fruit responds and quotes Bean, which confuses me because I was responding to the Rae/Fruit interaction (also Fruit does doctor =/= healer?)
beans was referring to a doctor or a protector type role?
Post 6: I assume I misread
Oops, my reading comprehension. But either way a poisoner and/or healer are not uncommon roles so that development at least isn't too much of a had
*edit oh my god my stupid fingers. Too much of a head scratch is what I meant
Post 7: actually no, I didn't misread, we're both talking about the "valid night mechanic" bit
Hold on
@fruitsalad, my comment was in response to your "how is poisoning a valid night mechanic?" question
Post 8: Fruitie still on about never seeing a poisoner before
you can have protectors/doctor roles without poisoning? rae made a claim its a valid mechanic on something i have never seen before, so it’s just as new as whatever that happened to vampy or me. to say valid usually has some familiarity otherwise that word choice is a bit too assuming
Post 9: I try to distill the conversation down to it's main components
This conversation is so bizarre to me.
@_rae_ @fruitsalad
1. Someone was poisoned in the night, or so they claim
2. Someone else says that's a valid night action and not confusing (I interpret "valid" to I mean it exists in sdn WW meta and is not unprecedented, although it is the first occurrence in this game)
3. Someone else questions why it's valid, and we get this whole thing
4. . . . I mean, it happened so of course it's "valid"? Unless I'm misinterpreting this and you're doubting Bean is being truthful, Frutie? Why is this even a point of contention?
Post 10: Frutie is still focused on never having seen it before
i was responding to rae’s post that used the valid terminology, which to me assumed familiarity (it was odd because i didn’t see these roles before).
the discussion is apparently semantical but part of the broader conversation on why i perceived the night to be a confusing scenario.
Post 11: what's going on
I've been quoting my favorite Shakespeare quote for some of my reads on Spurs, but your confusion over the poisoning mechanic is giving "doth protest too much" vibes too.
Although it would be a huge over sell on top of the post restriction today, so I'm inclined to side eye it and leave it at that for now.
Post 12: okay the confusion isn't over whether or not the poisoning was real
no, i believe the poisoning
Post 13: I'm still confused why no one is allowed to be familiar with other game mechanics. I'm sick of the word "valid" at this point
i’m not confused over the poisoning mechanic, i’m confused over the usage of the word valid when referring to poisoning since it was completely new to me
Post 14: is "valid" wigging Fruitie out because he suspects Rae of being involved?
Hmm. So if I'm getting you right here, you're shading Rae for being familiar with this mechanic since you haven't seen it before, so potentially Rae is the wolf/involved with the wolves who did it?
Either way . . . in a noob game I'm assuming that not every player has personally experienced every possible thing that can happen in WW, especially when there are a hundred and one variations for every possible mechanic. I've been on the road for 8 hours and I left my laptop in Idaho so I'm not firing on all cylinders here but I think it's a stretch to read into someone being unsurprised by the existence of a poisoning mechanic. The exception is if someone has slipped and shared something that was not already in the thread, which hasn't happened here, unless I missed it.
Post 15: the cryptic responses finally cease
so let me see if i can clarify this
i began the day typing in purple text and figuring out what happened the previous night because a lot of stuff was going on. vampy being required to vote first, beans being poisoned, indy being killed, my having to type in purple all collectively created a confusing and a bit of a chaotic situation that i was trying to sort it out
rae thinks the situation wasn’t weird, because indy being killed and beans being poisoned were “valid mechanics” but vampy vote weirdness and my typing in purple were what’s confusing but not sure what’s wolf driven
i asked rae how poisoning was a valid mechanic since it was new to me, and so to me, on par with vampy weirdness, purple text etc that was going on and confusing. valid mechanic assumed familiarity on something that’s new to me
it doesn’t negate beans’ point that she was poisoned nor does it imply a wolf was the poisoner. in fact, the poisoner could be village, because beans was suspected the prior day over that fishy post by multiple people
i’m just saying the night was confusing to me, and all these things collectively played a role that i’m trying to figure it out.
remember night started late and this discussion happened immediately while i was posting my thoughts on the thread, part of why i was hesitating to disclose more is to avoid adding to more confusion when my goal is to bring clarity and be an open book
Overall . . . So no one can use "valid" to describe a game mechanism unless we all have prior knowledge of that mechanism?? That seems to be the take away here.
