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[fruitsalad]

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which makes me worried whether T4C and I were getting passively blocked by rae when we looked into her

 

[fruitsalad]

i also don’t feel good about beans

thinking about voting there too

 

[katiemcat]

@beans2020 @apoptosis09 how do you feel about these recent events?

 

[vampyrica]

i’m going to take a break and head back to orientation. i will cool down and think of what just happened. i will be back before EOD so dw, i’m not abandoning ship, but i’d really like people to see things from my pov and understand why using my character as a reason for wolfiness, is seriously unfair.

and the fact that this has been a multi-day long frame. but i digress. ping me for questions. BBL

 

[katiemcat]

i’m so over this repetitive “shes too helpful shes wolfy clearly” like what else am i supposed to do? let people just guess their way through? zenge helped me and guided me through my first WW match here and he was accused of being a wolf, and he flipped town.

if you have legit reasoning against me, use those. but stop using my willingness to help as a reason for wolfiness. i’m so sick and tired of it.

I think you should take a step back for now. I understand it’s frustrating to be accused. As of now you’re not winning the vote though.

 

[fruitsalad]

i’m going to take a break and head back to orientation. i will cool down and think of what just happened. i will be back before EOD so dw, i’m not abandoning ship, but i’d really like people to see things from my pov and understand why using my character as a reason for wolfiness, is seriously unfair.

and the fact that this has been a multi-day long frame. but i digress. ping me for questions. BBL

could you tell me how you read apoptosis? sorry if i missed it

 

[fruitsalad]

(you can respond when you get back, no rush)

 

[vampyrica]

could you tell me how you read apoptosis? sorry if i missed it

i will have to respond to this later bc im walking back into the hall, but just know i read your message and will respond in a couple hours

 

[fruitsalad]

@GoSpursGo i’d like to know what you’re thinking, a reads list would be good

 

[soupshark]

I think you should take a step back for now. I understand it’s frustrating to be accused. As of now you’re not winning the vote though.

Yea I'm pretty sure rae is the only person who is really on vamps right now

 

[CeeGee14]

While rae's deep dive into Vampy was appreciated, I think their insistence that Vampy is taking on a leadership role-making them an effective W at misleading- is a bit forced. Answering questions and giving general advice is giving off more senior player vibes being nice to the noobies than leader.

The reason why I'm side-eyeing Vampy is because of her suggesting we report if our night actions were successful and saying there's no harm to it after I said, "maybe we should save this for the day cycle." Sure, it seems like useless info, but why risk it after losing two V with strong abilities? That's the part that doesn't make much sense to me, especially coming from an experienced player.

 

[fruitsalad]

i’m going to try something

unyeet CG
yeet apop

@WildZoo @kaydubs @Animal Midwife

 

[GoSpursGo]

@GoSpursGo i’d like to know what you’re thinking, a reads list would be good

I’m actively catching up. I’m not sure I have a full reads list but I have a few thoughts.

 

[GoSpursGo]

I’m going to post this now so it doesn’t look like I was just following @fruitsalad because this was going to be my punchline.

Yeet @apoptosis09

@WildZoo @kaydubs @Animal Midwife

 

[soupshark]

While rae's deep dive into Vampy was appreciated, I think their insistence that Vampy is taking on a leadership role-making them an effective W at misleading- is a bit forced. Answering questions and giving general advice is giving off more senior player vibes being nice to the noobies than leader.

The reason why I'm side-eyeing Vampy is because of her suggesting we report if our night actions were successful and saying there's no harm to it after I said, "maybe we should save this for the day cycle." Sure, it seems like useless info, but why risk it after losing two V with strong abilities? That's the part that doesn't make much sense to me, especially coming from an experienced player.

Yea I think rae made some good points and then there were some stretches. Tis the nature of the game, it seems. I think the suspicion towards vampy around her role and then everyone switching to T4C who ended up being village is 🤔 Sorry, I know I'm not articulating well. I'm having a hard time keeping everything together without beating a dead horse.

 

[fruitsalad]

you know, i’m wondering if rae is 3P hunting here

 

[fruitsalad]

also beans feels really passive to me

i understand she’s busy but even working with the posts we have, they really don’t feel like active solving

 

[fruitsalad]

I feel good about apoptosis - they really seem to be noob village.

apoptosis - I think they are the poisoner. I am happy to provide quotes if needed. D2 they were actively discussing how they thought I was scum. Then conveniently N2 I am poisoned. D3 they don't have much to say at all about me being poisoned until Katie suggests I'm faking. They quickly jump on board with that idea. W!apoptosis would be in a great situation here - they try to frame me as a wolf D2 and then poison me. If I die from the poison, wolves got rid of the mayor quietly without having to try and misyeet me. If I don't, then w!apoptosis can continue to claim I am a wolf because I was faking the poisoning to not be voted out. Then I can be misyeeted, great benefit to the wolves.
scum lean

Edit: changed spacing bc it was hard to read

With that being said.
yeet apoptosis
@kaydubs @WildZoo

Also re: whether beans was or was not poisoned. I do believe they were

unyeet apoptosis
@kaydubs @WildZoo
I think I see what you're getting at.

beans, could you walk me through your apoptosis read? you went from village reading apop, to arguing they’re a poisoner, to yeeting them, to unyeeting them after apop’s recent post?

 

[kaydubs]

Day 4 Not Everyone’s A Winner Vote Tally

CG (1) - apoptosis
fruit ()
apoptosis (4) - katiemcat, fruit, Spurs
Spurs ()
vampy (2) - rae, vampy
beans ()
rae ()

6/11 votes

Leading: @apoptosis09
Missing: STILL (1/2 dozen) minus one

Deadline: 9pm EDT TODAY 8/22
(~5 hours)
***The math is correct you just have to look closely***

 

[katiemcat]

Yea I think rae made some good points and then there were some stretches. Tis the nature of the game, it seems. I think the suspicion towards vampy around her role and then everyone switching to T4C who ended up being village is 🤔 Sorry, I know I'm not articulating well. I'm having a hard time keeping everything together without beating a dead horse.

Thoughts on apop @spiane ?

Please feel free to push back on us.

 

[soupshark]

Thoughts on apop @spiane ?

Please feel free to push back on us.

I am actually looking back now because I realized I never got a read on them in my notes. I'm trying to figure out who to vote for right now since the day going by fast, but I don't want to bandwagon without good reason.

 

[GoSpursGo]

I’ll just say, I have more than once gotten too emotionally involved in a game, so I’m going to give everyone some grace for saying things in the heat of the moment. Im doing my best to look at this objectively.

Bolded this part bc it is killing me a little that katie and I have been aligned on like 80-90% of things, but she's being read as 100% honest village (and I agree) but I'm being read as sus/wagony 💀😭

I think the main issue I have seen with you is that you very rarely lead the charge, and if you do lead a charge and get even a little pushback, you hop onto someone else’s idea. This could be n00b, just like me, or you are happy to put blame “anywhere that isn’t me.”

I do feel like one of @_rae_ or @vampyrica is a wolf. Rae made some good points in her deep dive, but yet again, she did the deep dive because she suspected vampy—so it is not surprising to me that when she went looking for evidence against vampy, she found it. Whether that makes her a wolf trying to frame Vampy, or a villager trying too hard to convince us of her opinion, I’m not yet sure, but I didn’t read her deep dive as a slam dunk. I’m not convinced enough about either of them to vote for them, but I’ve got my eye on both of them.

So that brings me back to apoptosis. I feel like he swings pretty wildly between different camps, often with minimal or copied justifications. I feel like he’s probably playing with one of Rae or vampy, and he sort of reads as n00b wolf who is trying a little too hard to follow a bandwagon, or at least vote for someone who is unlikely to make anyone upset (like his current vote for ceegee). So while there are several people right now who seem sketch to me, I could see apoptosis working with any of them, and so for that reason I think voting him gives us the best chance to catch a wolf.

I generally see Katie and PBC as strong village. fruits (I should know better by now, give me another day) and beans are both mid. I’m sus of vampy, Rae, and obviously apoptosis.

I still don’t have a great read on spiane, ceegee, and Nicole.

 

[katiemcat]

I am actually looking back now because I realized I never got a read on them in my notes. I'm trying to figure out who to vote for right now since the day going by fast, but I don't want to bandwagon without good reason.

This is more of a I want someone to check me if they're not seeing what I'm seeing.

I would hate to have another misyeet.

 

[soupshark]

I do feel like one of @_rae_ or @vampyrica is a wolf. Rae made some good points in her deep dive, but yet again, she did the deep dive because she suspected vampy—so it is not surprising to me that when she went looking for evidence against vampy, she found it. Whether that makes her a wolf trying to frame Vampy, or a villager trying too hard to convince us of her opinion, I’m not yet sure, but I didn’t read her deep dive as a slam dunk. I’m not convinced enough about either of them to vote for them, but I’ve got my eye on both of them.

This is kinda where I'm at with those two, too.

As for apoptosis, I think them flipping on beans is odd and the whole agreeing-with-katie excuse for bandwagoning is also not very convincing. They were neutral leaning wolf in my head earlier and I think that is staying the same but maybe leaning a little bit farther into wolf territory now. I've been suspicious of rae for a while and I don't want to just let that go to hop on the apop bandwagon, though my stubbornness last time got T4C misyeeted. I think they had some good points about vamps, but I also think it was so much to the point that I'm skeptical of their intentions. Vampy has gone to more neutral for me now especially with more details on RR & no one dying on the night she was blocked, but I'm still suspicious of rae for this reason and the blocking thing. Though, if vampy is a wolf and we vote out rae, then the main voice against vamps is gone. Alternatively, if we don't vote them out and vamps is a wolf, then she will probably kill rae. It's also possible that vampy is not a wolf and her role doesn't allow her to choose who gets shot (if I'm understanding the mechanic correctly probably not lol) so rae doesn't die. If rae is a wolf then she'll kill vampy. So I don't really know what to do.

 

[GoSpursGo]

@spiane @nicoledoesvetstuff @beans2020 @CeeGee14 @PrincessButterCup (and @vampyrica, <3, hoping you’re not really gonna self yeet)

I know ppl are busy but it would be really nice to have a sense of where you stand 4.5 h out. I’m confused too but it’s about time to put cards on the table, and unlike last time I’d like to avoid having info come out at the last second

 

[soupshark]

@spiane @nicoledoesvetstuff @beans2020 @CeeGee14 @PrincessButterCup (and @vampyrica

Hello

 

[GoSpursGo]

@spiane @nicoledoesvetstuff @beans2020 @CeeGee14 @PrincessButterCup (and @vampyrica, <3, hoping you’re not really gonna self yet)

I know ppl are busy but it would be really nice to have a sense of where you stand 4.5 h out. I’m confused too but it’s about time to put cards on the table, and unlike last time I’d like to avoid having info come out at the last second

Sorry… I accidentally posted after just the tags. This has been edited

 

[apoptosis09]

@beans2020 @apoptosis09 how do you feel about these recent events?

Sorry I've been walking around a zoo for two hours.
Kinda skim reading but no change on my vote so far. I'll respond some more when I can sit down for a bit.

I will say yeeting me will be fun for the plot, but not great for the village 😬 could be worse tho

 

[GoSpursGo]

For someone who spends a lot of time on SDN, I am somehow terrible at it) 😅

 

[soupshark]

@spiane @nicoledoesvetstuff @beans2020 @CeeGee14 @PrincessButterCup (and @vampyrica, <3, hoping you’re not really gonna self yet)

I know ppl are busy but it would be really nice to have a sense of where you stand 4.5 h out. I’m confused too but it’s about time to put cards on the table, and unlike last time I’d like to avoid having info come out at the last second

I have been active here all day. Just haven't voted yet.


It's interesting bc the general consensus of me seems to be that I'm not very active but I feel like I'm spending too much time on this thread lol

 

[katiemcat]

This is kinda where I'm at with those two, too.

As for apoptosis, I think them flipping on beans is odd and the whole agreeing-with-katie excuse for bandwagoning is also not very convincing. They were neutral leaning wolf in my head earlier and I think that is staying the same but maybe leaning a little bit farther into wolf territory now. I've been suspicious of rae for a while and I don't want to just let that go to hop on the apop bandwagon, though my stubbornness last time got T4C misyeeted. I think they had some good points about vamps, but I also think it was so much to the point that I'm skeptical of their intentions. Vampy has gone to more neutral for me now especially with more details on RR & no one dying on the night she was blocked, but I'm still suspicious of rae for this reason and the blocking thing. Though, if vampy is a wolf and we vote out rae, then the main voice against vamps is gone. Alternatively, if we don't vote them out and vamps is a wolf, then she will probably kill rae. It's also possible that vampy is not a wolf and her role doesn't allow her to choose who gets shot (if I'm understanding the mechanic correctly probably not lol) so rae doesn't die. If rae is a wolf then she'll kill vampy. So I don't really know what to do.

I don't think Rae would kill Vampy. It would be glaringly obvious it was her after that blow up.

 

[soupshark]

I have been active here all day. Just haven't voted yet.


It's interesting bc the general consensus of me seems to be that I'm not very active but I feel like I'm spending too much time on this thread lol

I think I'm being lumped in with the more inactive noobs because I don't have the most insightful stuff to say. I'm really trying my best guys!

 

[soupshark]

I don't think Rae would kill Vampy. It would be glaringly obvious it was her after that blow up.

Good point 🤔

 

[PrincessButterCup]

@GoSpursGo I am here, still reading on pg 43 and trying to catch up

 

[fruitsalad]

something doesnt feel right

unyeet apop
yeet beans

@WildZoo @kaydubs @Animal Midwife

 

[GoSpursGo]

I have been active here all day. Just haven't voted yet.


It's interesting bc the general consensus of me seems to be that I'm not very active but I feel like I'm spending too much time on this thread lol

I know 🙂 you’ve been active and it’s great! I just tagged everyone who hasn’t voted. If ppl want to wait it’s their prerogative, but we are getting closer and closer

 

[GoSpursGo]

Of course I will never know where @fruitsalad stands until 2 minutes before the vote closes 😅

 

[katiemcat]

Sorry I've been walking around a zoo for two hours.
Kinda skim reading but no change on my vote so far. I'll respond some more when I can sit down for a bit.

I will say yeeting me will be fun for the plot, but not great for the village 😬 could be worse tho

Give us the clarity we asked for then.

 

[apoptosis09]

Give us the clarity we asked for then.

I'm not sure what to clarify (no time to read back yet) but will point out that last night we lost a villager and were at risk (despite susness) of losing two more between nk and poison. Big risk imo

 

[kaydubs]

Day 4 Not Everyone’s A Winner Vote Tally

CG (1) - apoptosis
fruit ()
apoptosis (3) - katiemcat, Spurs
Spurs ()
vampy (2) - rae, vampy
beans (1) - fruit
rae ()

6/11 votes

Leading: —
Missing: *STILL* (1/2 dozen) minus one

Deadline: 9pm EDT TODAY 8/22
(~4.5 hours)

***The math is correct you just have to look closely***

 

[fruitsalad]

I like this breakdown. I agree rae had been kind of contrary to the pile lately though, which given past events reads more village to me than wolf.

I could get behind pbc if it wasn't for yesterday's kerfuffle (in which I firmly believe they are both positive roles which threw off fruits' read).
That leaves me leaning again towards the last two (beans or CG) or spurs.

Given all that I'm going to throw out a yeet beans for pressure reasons becuase I feel like the poison stuff kept us from really digging there. Not convictsd yet though and i have orientation stuff startingagain so I'll catch up and reconsider in a while 😅

@Animal Midwife @WildZoo

Apop, you’re not really helping yourself (or me by extension) here

I can’t tell if I have them in a panic or they really see my point that something is off there.

Ngl I'm not going to go against my own gut to just look more innocent 😅

Yes but those aren't mutuly exclusive imo

I don’t think that’s you should!

Do you have another reason to suspect beans then?

Mostly due to the confusion and a pretty convenient pattern of posting. I'm not ready to light the fire yet but feel like there's more at play I want to get to the bottom of

apop, why did you vote beans when you believed beans was poisoned?

Also re: whether beans was or was not poisoned. I do believe they were

 

[soupshark]

I know 🙂 you’ve been active and it’s great! I just tagged everyone who hasn’t voted. If ppl want to wait it’s their prerogative, but we are getting closer and closer

Okay I wasn't sure. I got that vibe from a few others so I defaulted to that. Thanks for clarifying

 

[apoptosis09]

I'm not sure what to clarify (no time to read back yet) but will point out that last night we lost a villager and were at risk (despite susness) of losing two more between nk and poison. Big risk imo

If that doesn't get to yalls questions lmk and I'll write it on my forehead 😅

 

[katiemcat]

apop, why did you vote beans when you believed beans was poisoned?

This is the clarity we are asking for @apoptosis09

You told me you didn't switch up on beans and you were always suspicious of them. In that case why would you use your hinted at night ability to help them in any way? You would have had to believe they were V to some degree at that point? Especially when it was discussed that letting beans go on without help would clarify things. Losing another v would suck, but they have not referenced any night abilities so would not be the end of the world? Then this morning you say you believe beans poisoned for real, then vote for them.

So lets get this out in the open - do you have some role that would allow you to see what beans was doing last night?

You leave so many questions.

 

[fruitsalad]

my head hurts

 

[soupshark]

This is the clarity we are asking for @apoptosis09

You told me you didn't switch up on beans and you were always suspicious of them. In that case why would you use your hinted at night ability to help them in any way? You would have had to believe they were V to some degree at that point? Especially when it was discussed that letting beans go on without help would clarify things. Losing another v would suck, but they have not referenced any night abilities so would not be the end of the world? Then this morning you say you believe beans poisoned for real, then vote for them.

So lets get this out in the open - do you have some role that would allow you to see what beans was doing last night?

You leave so many questions.

I think I will be ready to vote once this question is answered

 

[beans2020]

Okay I am back for a little bit! Admittedly a lot happened in the last few pages so I may have missed if anyone has specific questions for me. I think fruit did so I will try to address that.
Anywho. I said earlier I was going to look into spiane and CeeGee. If spiane and Nicole really are the same alignment as fruit said (and I believe him) then I think they would have to both be village. Given what I think Nicole's role is (and it's village), then spiane is clear for the moment as well.
@fruitsalad to answer your question about apoptosis, the reason I backed off of apoptosis is because they shared some information that made me realize they are not responsible for poisoning me. It hasn't been directly stated on thread so I won't be directly stating it so the wolves don't find out. However, if you go back to my and apoptosis' original discussion this morning and read between the lines, you will see.
Also - Katie mentioned something earlier about wondering why I knew the doctor/healer role existed. It's because my manator told me when I first got poisoned. I asked what I should do and they told me to come on thread and ask for the doctor to heal me.
I'm going to do a quick CeeGee dive and then report back.

 

[GoSpursGo]

***The math is correct you just have to look closely***

I THINK there are only 2 votes on apop, now that fruits moved off, right?

 

[fruitsalad]

I THINK there are only 2 votes on apop, now that fruits moved off, right?

i may move back, i’m debating

 

[katiemcat]

I THINK there are only 2 votes on apop, now that fruits moved off, right?

Incorrect, I have double vote tonight.

Suprise.