Seeking advice: PGY-2 looking to switch into Psych

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Hi everyone,

I am looking for some advice. US-MD grad from top 40 or so. I am currently a PGY2 in a competitive specialty but I am looking to switch into psychiatry as it better aligns with my end career goals. My program director is aware and supportive.

My scores:
step 1 : 23x, step 2 : 23x, step 3 : 22x

I am seeking PGY2 psychiatry positions but I am possibly planning on entering the match as well (application isnt completed). It seems that once I tell my PD I will officially be pursuing psych, he/she will start looking for someone for next year. I am somewhat afraid of not having a job next year.

Has anyone gone through this scenario/have any advice? I am not even sure how competitive I am or if I would be viewed as undesirable. Thanks!

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i cant tell you how competitive you are since you have refused to provide any information but PGY-2 spots are much, much less competitive than PGY-1 spots because it is a narrower pool. Some programs always have one or more PGY-2 spots including university of washington, university maryland, hopkins, new mexico, cornell, emory and a few others. some programs often have PGY-2 spots including ucsd, ucla, yale etc. some programs advertise on apa clearinghouse (e.g. Brown has a current opening) Many programs do not advertise their positions. You should contact any programs of interest with a cover letter and CV and ask them to let you know about any openings. some residents might be in the same position as you and so these positions may continue to open up as they tell their program directors they want to switch specialty or program. you should also contact the psychiatry PD at your institution as they may know of secret PGY-2 openings.
 
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OP go speak with the psych PD at your hospital/university and let them know your interest in switching. Oftentimes they will know the most about openings from adprt email chains.
 
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Can you apply for positions without letting PD know (then wait to see if you get an interview to ask for his/her support?), or tell him you're considering applying into psych but want to go over all your options with him (as well as their consequences, including whether you'd lose your spot), before you act? Maybe PD will tell you he/she supports you looking and will give you until X date to find a spot instead of automatically replacing you regardless of whether you get a spot in psych, as you have suggested.

I've heard of students applying for a transfer, going so far as getting accepted at a transfer spot, and turning down the transfer spot and remaining at their original institution. I don't think the process is as doom and gloom as many portray it to be, particularly if you are able to clearly articulate to your home institution that the program itself has no issues and that there is another specific need you need met (geographic region for family, career change, etc.)
 
Can you apply for positions without letting PD know (then wait to see if you get an interview to ask for his/her support?), or tell him you're considering applying into psych but want to go over all your options with him (as well as their consequences, including whether you'd lose your spot), before you act? Maybe PD will tell you he/she supports you looking and will give you until X date to find a spot instead of automatically replacing you regardless of whether you get a spot in psych, as you have suggested.

I've heard of students applying for a transfer, going so far as getting accepted at a transfer spot, and turning down the transfer spot and remaining at their original institution. I don't think the process is as doom and gloom as many portray it to be, particularly if you are able to clearly articulate to your home institution that the program itself has no issues and that there is another specific need you need met (geographic region for family, career change, etc.)

These positions need a current PD recommendation before applying. It seems like my program would look for someone immediately for next year. I just don't know how my PD would feel about me trying to use my current program as a backup.... My PD is nice but I've heard from other residents that she actually doesn't have the residents best interest at heart.
 
OP go speak with the psych PD at your hospital/university and let them know your interest in switching. Oftentimes they will know the most about openings from adprt email chains.
thanks! will do!
 
Hi everyone,

I am looking for some advice. US-MD grad from top 40 or so. I am currently a PGY2 in a competitive specialty but I am looking to switch into psychiatry as it better aligns with my end career goals. My program director is aware and supportive.

My scores:
step 1 : 23x, step 2 : 23x, step 3 : 22x

I am seeking PGY2 psychiatry positions but I am possibly planning on entering the match as well (application isnt completed). It seems that once I tell my PD I will officially be pursuing psych, he/she will start looking for someone for next year. I am somewhat afraid of not having a job next year.

Has anyone gone through this scenario/have any advice? I am not even sure how competitive I am or if I would be viewed as undesirable. Thanks!

I graduated in 2013, similar stats as you. I originally matched in a different specialty. Did a transitional year internship, decided I would go into psych around January at year, and then changed to psychiatry (through the match, YES I was very late entry into the mach process ). Did another intern year, in psychiatry, at one institution. Then, decided to change residencies around April of that year, found a PGY2 position in a different residency outside of the match (saw the position in residency swap, did not do a swap), and did my following 3 years at a different psychiatry residency.

Separately, I know of a situation where a resident was planning to fast track into child psych. That resident was ambiguous, even after matching into child psych, and the PD held the pgy4 spot for that resident. I don't think the PD wanted to hold the spot, but apparently, my understanding would was that it is a headache to not renew the contract of a resident, who is a good resident, without any problems.
 
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When I told my TY PD of my desire to switch, he knew of some vacancies in local psychiatry programs. because, i guess PDs talk to eachother and have PD friends.

Oh, also, you the APA Clearing house and residency vacancies. Psychiatry Residency Training Program Vacancies
 
I graduated in 2013, similar stats as you. I originally matched in a different specialty. Did a transitional year internship, decided I would go into psych around January at year, and then changed to psychiatry (through the match, YES I was very late entry into the mach process ). Did another intern year, in psychiatry, at one institution. Then, decided to change residencies around April of that year, found a PGY2 position in a different residency outside of the match (saw the position in residency swap, did not do a swap), and did my following 3 years at a different psychiatry residency.

Separately, I know of a situation where a resident was planning to fast track into child psych. That resident was ambiguous, even after matching into child psych, and the PD held the pgy4 spot for that resident. I don't think the PD wanted to hold the spot, but apparently, my understanding would was that it is a headache to not renew the contract of a resident, who is a good resident, without any problems.

This makes me feel so much better! I feel like there is some light out there in the darkness.
 
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This makes me feel so much better! I feel like there is some light out there in the darkness.
it is easier to switch then i thought. both times i felt like i had to be secretive about it -- but once i was open, i found that i had more support, and doors would open for me. it was a load off my shoulders. both of my switches were related to personal circumstances, and my PD's were understanding. while you may be viewed as a unit of labor, hopefully your PD can also see you as a person and respect that you have some goals that arent aligned with your current situation. i coached a friend who was contemplating leaving. that resident's PD was not a nice PD, but that person was even supportive of somebody making a move. even though that resident was not a great resident, the PD wrote a decent LOR. likely, a PD wouldnt want a resident to stick in a program that person doesnt want to be in. its better to have someone motivated.
 
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some people were asking me some questions, so just wanted to share since others going through the process would likely have the same questions:

yeah, it can be scary at the time. and then i look back, and see, it wasn't as bad as i thought. after switching the first time, it was way less scary to switch the second time, since i knew it was possible.

Without searching for it specifically, I have met 5 other people who switched into psych. And, to get my PGY 2 spot in psych, that meant someone switched out of psych (for that resident, it was to neurology). At the time, I felt like I was the only one going through it, but in reality, there is movement between specialties. i believe some programs have pgy2 spots open, anticipating people will switch into psych.

in regards to going through ERAS for my PGY1 spot, for LOR, i had my PD write a letter (stating i was a good resident, wasn't switching because i was a failure), the psych clerkship director for my MS3 rotation, and then i was able to squeeze in a psych rotation in my TY that month, and had a letter. TY internships are often flexible, so i was fortunate to make a last minute switch into that elective rotation-- if you can schedule a month, or some time, that would be helpful for you. One person who switched into psych didn't immediately make the switch (did the intern year, took some time off, got psych experience that year, and was accepted the following year). I couldn't have imagined taking a year off to figure it out, but something to think about.

in regards to the personal statement, i just said what was true to me: I liked both rotations (my original chosen specialty, and psychiatry). the timeline to choose was quick, and i realized i chosen wrong. and these are the things i like about psychiatry. at the time, i thought maybe i had to write a PS that was really going to prove something. but, in retrospect, it seemed mostly like i had that attitude because i was trying to prove it to myself. in interviews, nobody questioned why i was making the change. and, after 4 years of going through personal statements for applicant after applicant as a resident... most people seem not to care about PS significantly anyways (my experience, maybe different elsewhere).

in regards to my interviews -- i was very specific with what i was trying to accomplish. my psych clerkship director had mentored me in the process (he had switched from neuro to psych, so he was a good resource). he told me he would rank me number one, if i made the switch. and i believed him. so i had that interview with that program, and it was my backup. my real goal though, was trying to get to a specific location, and there was only residency in that location. so i hit that residency hard. and they accepted me. i was offered other interviews in ERAS, even that late, but as I had a specific goal, i only went on two interviews, knowing that i for sure would have a spot.

after doing a psych intern year in that location, i wanted out of that location. the reason i was there no longer existed (had nothing to do with residency). again, this was late, and after the match had already occurred, that i wanted to make the switch. since it was after the match, some programs knew they were having some PGY2 openings (from other residents who were switching), so i looked through resident swap, and the APA clearing house. It is much less formal when doing it out of the match. I just sent an email explaining my situation, my previous LOR, my previous personal statement, pretty much unchanged. I made some contacts, focused on one program. It was so late that they had already completed their in person interviews. We did a phone interview only (not even like factime or skype). They accepted me a couple days later, so I had no need to do any other interviews. the residency program i was leaving filled that spot within a month.
 
Try residency swap. I accepted 2 pgy2 spots...psych to psych btw...and I told someone on residency swap about one of the spots I didnt want and he got in...this spot was not advertised

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