Seeking for things about DOs and DPMs

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Hi, I'm a DPT student from Taiwan and hoping to apply to schools in the states in 2022. Really appreciate that you're reading this post and would love to hear about your replies and additional thoughts, if you happen to be willing to give some.

I'm currently in clinical year (5th year of 6 year undergrad program) and have loved ortho-related things since I got into PT school. But I have always wanted to be an orthopedic surgeon, so that's why I'm giving myself another chance to pursue medicine in the state since they are post-grad degrees. My grades aren't great, currently with a 3.51 GPA and no upward trend, done research and I think a good amount of clinical exposure (does my internship count as clinical hours though since it's PT and mandated for me to graduate). Preparing for MCAT at the same time and will complete prereqs in my last year. According to my stats and interests, I will be applying DO and DPM. I hope this won’t sound like comparing the two professions. If this question does not belong in this forum, feel free to tell me and I'll post it in the right place, but I didn't find a suitable one for my situation so I'll be posting in the pre-DO and pre-DPM both.

Here’s my questions about DO. I read about DO & MD residencies merging, does that mean that if I do well in USMLE, I would be able to get into orthopedic surgery? The reason for asking this is cuz I have heard about DOs having a harder time matching into surgery residencies, but would like to hear from people in the process. Also, I have sent emails UNECOM, TouroCOM & Heritage DO, and only the first 2 are okay with my situation. If you are or know someone that is a US citizen, but had their undergrad outside of the states, please tell which school you or the person you know are in if it doesn't bother you, thank you very much. If you would like to share things you know about DO or your predictions about the future of DO that would be great too, since I haven’t started digging in DO that much compared to DPM.

Then about DPM, currently I know is that you specialize day one on the foot, and assures that you get into surgical residency. I like the fact that I don’t need to choose until I finish med school and get surgery training. But I went through some threads in SDN, and, no offense, it sounds like podiatrists don’t really get to practice their full scope of practice in surgery(by full scope I mean like reconstruction or ORIF kinda surgeries) because of there are ortho surgeons. It sounds like even if you are well trained in surgery, you might still have a hard time finding surgical jobs in the US medical system. Another thing about podiatry is whether hospital jobs are growing, though I don’t really know about the systems in the states, I do know that private practice is not something everyone can do. In my case, I know I am not a business type of person. Can someone in the podiatry system shed some light?

I know asking these questions might seem early considering I haven’t taken the MCAT and haven’t shadowed any DOs & DPMs in the state. I will be doing that in my summer vacation this year if the pandemic can be contained, or if I get vaccinated(unlikely this year). Hope you all well and safe, and thank you even if you’ve just read this post!
 
Hi, I'm a DPT student from Taiwan and hoping to apply to schools in the states in 2022. Really appreciate that you're reading this post and would love to hear about your replies and additional thoughts, if you happen to be willing to give some.

I'm currently in clinical year (5th year of 6 year undergrad program) and have loved ortho-related things since I got into PT school. But I have always wanted to be an orthopedic surgeon, so that's why I'm giving myself another chance to pursue medicine in the state since they are post-grad degrees. My grades aren't great, currently with a 3.51 GPA and no upward trend, done research and I think a good amount of clinical exposure (does my internship count as clinical hours though since it's PT and mandated for me to graduate). Preparing for MCAT at the same time and will complete prereqs in my last year. According to my stats and interests, I will be applying DO and DPM. I hope this won’t sound like comparing the two professions. If this question does not belong in this forum, feel free to tell me and I'll post it in the right place, but I didn't find a suitable one for my situation so I'll be posting in the pre-DO and pre-DPM both.

Here’s my questions about DO. I read about DO & MD residencies merging, does that mean that if I do well in USMLE, I would be able to get into orthopedic surgery? The reason for asking this is cuz I have heard about DOs having a harder time matching into surgery residencies, but would like to hear from people in the process. Also, I have sent emails UNECOM, TouroCOM & Heritage DO, and only the first 2 are okay with my situation. If you are or know someone that is a US citizen, but had their undergrad outside of the states, please tell which school you or the person you know are in if it doesn't bother you, thank you very much. If you would like to share things you know about DO or your predictions about the future of DO that would be great too, since I haven’t started digging in DO that much compared to DPM.

Then about DPM, currently I know is that you specialize day one on the foot, and assures that you get into surgical residency. I like the fact that I don’t need to choose until I finish med school and get surgery training. But I went through some threads in SDN, and, no offense, it sounds like podiatrists don’t really get to practice their full scope of practice in surgery(by full scope I mean like reconstruction or ORIF kinda surgeries) because of there are ortho surgeons. It sounds like even if you are well trained in surgery, you might still have a hard time finding surgical jobs in the US medical system. Another thing about podiatry is whether hospital jobs are growing, though I don’t really know about the systems in the states, I do know that private practice is not something everyone can do. In my case, I know I am not a business type of person. Can someone in the podiatry system shed some light?

I know asking these questions might seem early considering I haven’t taken the MCAT and haven’t shadowed any DOs & DPMs in the state. I will be doing that in my summer vacation this year if the pandemic can be contained, or if I get vaccinated(unlikely this year). Hope you all well and safe, and thank you even if you’ve just read this post!

Are you a US citizen, or will you be applying as an international student?
 
Are you a US citizen, or will you be applying as an international student?
Yup, I am one, but lived out of the states for like 18 years now. Most of the schools that are OK with me say that I should just apply as normal student and provide WES evaluation of my degree
 
Yup, I am one, but lived out of the states for like 18 years now. Most of the schools that are OK with me say that I should just apply as normal student and provide WES evaluation of my degree

In that case, your questions above should not be a priority for you and your decision to pursue Podiatric medicine. You have other more significant issues to deal with, such as taking the MCAT, shadowing DPMs, figuring out which course (if any) will get transferred or not, financial aid stuff, etc. What I'm saying is, don't make or not make a decision based on SDN or what you're googling. A licensed DPM can and does work in their full scope of practice, including the stuff you stated above. But don't take my word for it, shadow when you can and then make a decision.

Regardless of which field you choose to apply to, you will also have to explain to Adcoms why you're changing career paths. But I agree with the above that if you want to do ortho, then going for the MD is your shot (not DO); but as far as I know, having done your course work/degree in another country and changing careers can be a red flag at the majority of MD schools.

If in the future you want to pursue the DPM degree and have taken the MCAT/shadowed, then let us know how we can help; but for now, you got bigger fish to fry than worry about the scope of practice of a DPM.

I hope it works out for you; good luck!
 
In that case, your questions above should not be a priority for you and your decision to pursue Podiatric medicine. You have other more significant issues to deal with, such as taking the MCAT, shadowing DPMs, figuring out which course (if any) will get transferred or not, financial aid stuff, etc. What I'm saying is, don't make or not make a decision based on SDN or what you're googling. A licensed DPM can and does work in their full scope of practice, including the stuff you stated above. But don't take my word for it, shadow when you can and then make a decision.

Regardless of which field you choose to apply to, you will also have to explain to Adcoms why you're changing career paths. But I agree with the above that if you want to do ortho, then going for the MD is your shot (not DO); but as far as I know, having done your course work/degree in another country and changing careers can be a red flag at the majority of MD schools.

If in the future you want to pursue the DPM degree and have taken the MCAT/shadowed, then let us know how we can help; but for now, you got bigger fish to fry than worry about the scope of practice of a DPM.

I hope it works out for you; good luck!

Follow his advice, OP.
 
Get your GPA and MCAT as high as possible and the door / options will open.
 

In that case, your questions above should not be a priority for you and your decision to pursue Podiatric medicine. You have other more significant issues to deal with, such as taking the MCAT, shadowing DPMs, figuring out which course (if any) will get transferred or not, financial aid stuff, etc. What I'm saying is, don't make or not make a decision based on SDN or what you're googling. A licensed DPM can and does work in their full scope of practice, including the stuff you stated above. But don't take my word for it, shadow when you can and then make a decision.

Regardless of which field you choose to apply to, you will also have to explain to Adcoms why you're changing career paths. But I agree with the above that if you want to do ortho, then going for the MD is your shot (not DO); but as far as I know, having done your course work/degree in another country and changing careers can be a red flag at the majority of MD schools.

If in the future you want to pursue the DPM degree and have taken the MCAT/shadowed, then let us know how we can help; but for now, you got bigger fish to fry than worry about the scope of practice of a DPM.

I hope it works out for you; good luck!
Thank you for your advice! I won't be applying MD though, since I think the chances are too low. And I consider myself already too late since my current program takes me 6 years to finish, so I'm not gonna do any more programs. Also, thank you! I'll reach out to you when MCAT and shadowing are done! Really appreciate this!
 
If you are intending to return to Taiwan (or living anywhere outside the US) after your education, you should check the scope of practice in your intended country. In many countries podiatrists are nonsurgical, mainly doing orthotics, nails, and callouses.

Otherwise my opinion for most folks if possible is md>do>dpm.

Good luck
 
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