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Hello. My last post was very long and detailed....you can go here if you'd like to see it: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=700216

DO stats - cumGPA:3.47; sciGPA: 3.22

I currently don't have that much volunteer experience. I volunteered quite a bit during my freshmen year with the ELI (English Language Institute) at my school helping foreign students to practice their English (aprox. 200 hours). I spent my sophomore year studying abroad in Ecuador and China.

The biggest problem I had is that during the second half of my time in China, I got really sick. I stayed sick throughout the next two years (apparently a medicinally induced autoimmune disorder followed by spinal fluid pressure problems). After the 1st year and a half, I began to recover substantially, but it is taking time to come back completely. I am mostly recovered now, but still suffer from fairly frequent, severe migraines.

During the time I was sick, I got several awful grades. As I had to maintain a full load to ensure my scholarships and medical insurance, I pushed through all the coursework. The second year back from abroad (my original senior year), I had to retake a large number of my basic science classes just so I could continue towards finishing my degree and maintain my full time student status. Most of my grades in the retakes did improve slightly, but not extremely significantly as I was still dealing with health issues (generally, F to D, D to C, etc.).

So, now is my fifth year of undergraduate studies. I ended up quitting the Honor's college (an extra $250 per term and I couldn't finish the required classes in time to graduate "with honors"). I had to switch my major from Biochemistry/Biophysics to Chemistry just to graduate during my fifth year. The only other useful thing I really did this last year was to volunteer around 50 hours (when I felt up to it) at the Humane Society because being around the animals made me happy and helped heal my soul.

So, overall, I don't have much in the way of ECs, no really good contacts for LORs, and a bad trend in my grades. My plan for the rest of this year are to pull the best grades possible (trying to get my study skills back on par to what they were before I was sick), make some contacts for LORs, and volunteer some more at the Humane Society (or finding clinical volunteer work if that is much preferred).

During the summer, I plan to become a CNA and start clinical paid work. I can also potentially retake some of my previous classes. I played with my GPA calculation, and retaking my lowest two scores could potentially bring my cum/sci GPA up to 3.55/3.41 (assuming A's in the retakes, of course). However, one of these classes I already retook once. How bad does it look to retake the same class twice?

My biggest question right now is whether to rush to apply for 2011 or wait until 2012. I would prefer getting my ducks in order and waiting until 2012. However, there is another important factor to consider. There is going to be a new medical school opening up just 35 minutes away from me that will have a charter class starting in 2011 (Western University Northwest in Lebanon, Oregon).

My thought is that since this is a charter class, the admissions process may be more lenient and fewer people may be applying. I am really tempted to rush my time frame so that I can apply during a less competitive year (as opposed to waiting until 2012 when it may be better known and more competitive). I mean, am I right in thinking that a brand new school with 100 seats might be less competitive than other schools? Do you think I should rush and apply in 2011? I would hate to wait until 2012 only to get rejected and find out I missed a better shot in 2011. Ideally, I don't want to get into medical school "by the skin of my teeth", but I'd rather barely get in than not get in at all. What do you think?

Questions:
1. How do DO schools look upon retaking the same class twice (I mean the live admissions people)?
2. Is Humane Society volunteering good/bad? Should I switch to clinical/medical volunteering?
3. Is the chance of getting into a new medical school good enough to rush my application for 2011 (and have less ECs, rushed LORs, last minute volunteering, etc.) or should I just relax knowing that my application will be much more complete, rounded, and competitive in 2012, so I should have a good chance of getting in then, too?

Thank you. I tried to make this post substantially shorter than the last. 🙂
 
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why are reposting?

Someone (Cat) took the time to answer your questions...
 
why are reposting?

Someone (Cat) took the time to answer your questions...

The most important reason was that I am curious about question #3. I didn't address this in my previous post (I also didn't address q #2 previously and Cat's answer to q #1 only mentioned that in the GPA the last retake is counted; I am curious as to how actual admissions people will feel about seeing a class retaken more than once). Also, someone mentioned I should make it shorter so more people may respond. I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting multiple inputs.
 
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Questions:
1. How do DO schools look upon retaking the same class twice (I mean the live admissions people)?
2. Is Humane Society volunteering good/bad? Should I switch to clinical/medical volunteering?
3. Is the chance of getting into a new medical school good enough to rush my application for 2011 (and have less ECs, rushed LORs, last minute volunteering, etc.) or should I just relax knowing that my application will be much more complete, rounded, and competitive in 2012, so I should have a good chance of getting in then, too?
I couldn't tell that you'd read the last post on your other thread.

1. To my knowledge, there has never been a DO school adcom poster here in the Preallo WAMC forum. PreOsteo has a WAMC thread where someone is likely to know the answer to your question.
2. Humane Society volunteerism is excellent community service. Adcomms like to see nonmedical volunteerism. As long as you have a source of clinical experience otherwise (like 1.5 years of CNA work), there is no reason to change. If you need more clinical experience and have limited time, then you would volunteer in a medical venue to augment the work experience.
3. The new school in Florida, UCF, proved to have a very competitive class, stats-wise. Don't rush the process thinking the new Oregon school will be desperate to take anyone. Do it once; do it right.
 
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I couldn't tell that you'd read the last post on your other thread.
I couldnt either.

Ladyofluck - there is nothing wrong with wanting multiple opinions, its probably better that way. But you didnt need to start a new thread essentially identical topics - just stick with one thread.
That way its easier for people to follow the advice in one thread whereas having to jump back and forth is a pain
 
I couldnt either.

Ladyofluck - there is nothing wrong with wanting multiple opinions, its probably better that way. But you didnt need to start a new thread essentially identical topics - just stick with one thread.
That way its easier for people to follow the advice in one thread whereas having to jump back and forth is a pain

Sorry, I guess I could have done an edit and shortened the old post instead of making a new one. I didn't mean to be confusing...but I thought that I could reference the longer version in case anyone wanted additional info (so that I wasn't deleting the more detailed version by "editing" to make it shorter). If I have anymore questions, I guess I'll just add them onto this post.
 
I couldn't tell that you'd read the last post on your other thread.

1. To my knowledge, there has never been a DO school adcom poster here in the Preallo WAMC forum. PreOsteo has a WAMC thread where someone is likely to know the answer to your question.
2. Humane Society volunteerism is excellent community service. Adcomms like to see nonmedical volunteerism. As long as you have a source of clinical experience otherwise (like 1.5 years of CNA work), there is no reason to change. If you need more clinical experience and have limited time, then you would volunteer in a medical venue to augment the work experience.
3. The new school in Florida, UCF, proved to have a very competitive class, stats-wise. Don't rush the process thinking the new Oregon school will be desperate to take anyone. Do it once; do it right.


Thanks for your answers! I realized that I didn't post a thank you for you on my other post, so I apologize for not thanking you sooner. I really do appreciate you taking the time to look them over. So...how would I go about getting this thread put into the preosteo WAMC? I imagine it would be better to move it than to make another post.
 
3. The new school in Florida, UCF, proved to have a very competitive class, stats-wise. Don't rush the process thinking the new Oregon school will be desperate to take anyone. Do it once; do it right.

Is that the school that offered the whole charter class full ride scholarships, though? I mean, if this new school offers full ride scholarships, I definitely believe the competition will heat up. Of course, if they do that, I'd also be extra eager to apply 😀. Assuming they didn't, though, considering this is the Northwest (and not CA or FL), there are a full additional 100 spots, and I am right here in Oregon where the school will be, do you think the competition will still be pretty high? Honestly, I'm not totally sure how high competition is in the northwest, but I assumed it isn't that high since there aren't that many medical schools (which might imply high or low demand depending how you look at it). What do you think?

P.S. Even if the grass is totally green at this new school, I know I still have plenty of my own personal reasons to wait until 2012, but I'm wanting to get the full lay of the land before I make my decision.

P.P.S. I made a new post in the osteo forum. I wasn't comfortable not mentioning any of my stats/background since I think it is relevant to the questions, but I cut it waaay down. I can actually see my whole post at one time on my computer monitor now and my actual questions takes up about 1/3 of that.

I also came up with a couple more questions. First, I was wondering about how to list my ELI volunteering since I did a bunch freshman year and haven't been back to it yet (but would like to go back into it again next term). I'm not sure if it would be ethical to lump the dates together to Fresh-Senior, but I also don't think I'd want to use up space by listing it twice (space is limited to a certain number of lines, isn't it?). Also, do you think studying abroad through a university program count as an EC? I had one yes answer and one no on the other forum. LOL.
 
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See my bolded responses.
Is that the school that offered the whole charter class full ride scholarships, though? Yes, that's the one. Like $40K per person.

considering this is the Northwest (and not CA or FL), there are a full additional 100 spots, and I am right here in Oregon where the school will be, do you think the competition will still be pretty high? Yes, I do think the competition is likely be high. Look at all the Californians who can't get into their own state schools with unbelievably high stats. I'm sure they'd rather go to Oregon than Illinois. Of course we don't know who will get preference at the new school and what percent OOSers will be accepted (so they can get more tuition dollars to stay afloat in the early years during these hard economic times). BTW, is this an allopathic med school? It confused me that you asked about it in the Pre-DO Forum.

We also don't their mission statement. Will their goal be to produce docs for rural areas? Well, then if you have clinical experience in a rural area or grew up in one, you might be golden.

P.P.S. I made a new post in the osteo forum. I wasn't comfortable not mentioning any of my stats/background since I think it is relevant to the questions, but I cut it waaay down. I can actually see my whole post at one time on my computer monitor now and my actual questions takes up about 1/3 of that. You were nicely succinct. It is good practice before you write your Personal Statement.

I was wondering about how to list my ELI volunteering since I did a bunch freshman year and haven't been back to it yet (but would like to go back into it again next term). I'm not sure if it would be ethical to lump the dates together to Fresh-Senior, but I also don't think I'd want to use up space by listing it twice (space is limited to a certain number of lines, isn't it?). For AMCAS: I'd list it in one spot, list first and last date, but don't fill in the hours per week (if the Community Service designation doesn't permit this, then list it as Other, which will). In the narrative put two sets of start and end date with total hours, then at the end give the grand total hours. I'm unfamiliar with the AACOMAS application and can't advise on that one.

Also, do you think studying abroad through a university program count as an EC? I had one yes answer and one no on the other forum. LOL.EC=Extracurricular, not curricular. Study abroad will be on your transcript, so you don't need to relist it.
 
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Thanks again for your answers. Actually, the new school is going to be a DO school. It is going to be an extension of Western University in California (the originally had a "northwest" track option that allowed to attend in California for two years then Oregon for two, but they are now opening a new school here). While I realize choosing a school shouldn't be based on convenience, I have to say that a 35 minute commute without having to uproot myself (and my fiancee) would be quite nice. Of course, I can always wait until 2012, I suppose. What are your thoughts about how Obama and his administration may affect tuition costs? Do you think they will lower costs for attending medical school? As it is right now, I believe going to OHSU in Oregon is about $45,000 a year and going to Western U (I assume similar in the new Oregon branch) will be about $50,000 a year.
 
Assumng the philosophy of what constitutes a good application in the eyes of Western adcomms carries over to their branch school (would that be WUNCOM?) (average 2012 class GPA 3.52/MCAT 27), I think your academic work is in line with that, even without the retakes you mentioned. But face it, you have no clinical experience, no MCAT score, haven't lined up LORS, haven't shadowed a DO, don't have a DO LOR, and I just don't see them as compromising their expectation of a reasonable amount of exposure to your future occupation proving you didn't make a hasty decision to go into medicine. Would it hurt to try anyway? Well, maybe if you got a medical volunteer gig now, did the shadowing, and didn't apply until September/October. Your proximity to the school is a huge plus. But I ask myself, what will that added stress do to you personally?

What are your thoughts about how Obama and his administration may affect tuition costs? Do you think they will lower costs for attending medical school?
I doubt there will be any effect.

Thanks for the added details about the new school. It helps us to help others.
 
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